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Steve Benen

Posted: August 14, 2009 10:27 AM

The Five Opponents of Health Care Reform


In the midst of angry protests, offensive placards, and ridiculous conservative talking points, it's hard not to wonder what, exactly, motivates opponents of health care reform.

After all, improving the fundamentally flawed system would have broad benefits for all Americans. Some of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are one serious illness away from bankruptcy. Some Sarah Palin supporters can't get coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Some Glenn Beck viewers will see their insurance companies drop them when they need their coverage most. Some RNC donors may want to start their own business, but can't because they can't afford to pay the monthly premiums. Some of the same people who attended "Tea Parties" in April saw their family coverage disappear after they lost their job.

Across the country, untold thousands wait in seemingly-endless lines in the hopes of seeing a physician at a free clinic. And some of those thousands may very well be Republicans.

It's too often overlooked, but there's nothing partisan or ideological about this -- everyone is getting screwed by the status quo. We're all paying too much for too little. A huge chunk of the country is uninsured, underinsured, or uninsurable, and the system is blind to how you voted in the last election.

With this in mind, the far-right apoplexy is counter-intuitive. Why would people who stand to benefit from health care reform literally take to the streets and threaten violence in opposition to legislation that would help them and their families? President Obama supports an approach to health care reform that emphasizes competition and choice, doesn't increase the deficit, and wouldn't raise middle class taxes ... and conservatives are comparing the plan to the Nazi Holocaust?

To fully appreciate the larger dynamic, it's important not to lump all opponents of reform together into one large group. We've heard many of the same arguments from a wide variety of activists, but different groups are fighting with different motivations.

I tend to see them in five distinct factions:

* The Greedy: There's a fairly small group of people who profit handsomely from the broken status quo. Regular Americans are getting screwed by the system, but The Greedy are getting rich. Reform puts their profits at risk, so they're fighting back to protect their livelihood.

* The Partisans: If President Obama does what many presidents have failed trying to do, it will likely make him more popular and make his presidency successful. The Partisans care more about Republican gains than the national well being, so they're fighting to prevent a major Democratic victory because it would be a major Democratic victory. For an example, consider Bill Kristol's infamous admonition to Republican leaders.

* The Tin-Foil Hats: If reform passes, the government will kill their grandparents, create "death panels," lavish benefits on illegal immigrants, and mandate that ACORN volunteers live in their basement. The Tin-Foil Hats have active imaginations, and believe their own ridiculous conspiracy theories. They're likely to benefit from reform, but the voices in their head discourage them from believing it.

* The Dupes: Probably the largest group in opposition to reform, The Dupes tend to believe what The Greedy, The Partisans, and The Tin-Foil Hats have told them. When confronted with accurate information, The Dupes suspect the media, Democrats, and their lying eyes aren't to be trusted. After all, Sean Hannity wouldn't lie to them, would he? Like The Tin-Foil Hats, The Dupes stand to benefit from reform, but are skeptical because they don't know who's telling the truth and who isn't.

* The Wonks: The smallest of the groups, The Wonks are conservatives who actually care about substantive policy details, have read the proposals, and believe there are better ways to improve the system. They're looking for a meaningful policy debate, and are slightly embarrassed by their allies' dishonest temper tantrums, but The Greedy, The Partisans, The Tin-Foil Hats, and The Dupes have decided to ignore The Wonks. They don't scream at town-hall meetings and they don't show up for 9/12 strategy sessions.

The Wonks notwithstanding, the first four groups combine to make a force to be reckoned with, and the various teams feed off of one another nicely. The Greedy aren't a big enough group to disrupt a town-hall meeting, but if they can feed some ideas to The Tin-Foil Hats, they can get a lot done. The Partisans can't come right out and acknowledge their concerns, but if they can rope in The Dupes, their combined efforts can make a considerable difference.

A reader emailed me recently, saying, "I don't understand why the wingnuts are so angry." My suspicion is they're angry for different reasons, many of which will fade if/when Democratic policymakers manage to do the right thing.

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09:10 AM on 08/16/2009
I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, in fact I listen to no talk radio shows. I do take in a lot of my information from web sites, liberal and conservative and I channel surf the T.V. news when I have the time. I'm not rich by a long shot. I think, here on your site, that you are missing the fact , most people who don't want the health care reform, have no trust for government in general. That includes republican and democrat alike. We all wanted change, we all wanted someone to trust. Yes, trust is the change I wanted the most. Without trust any relationship is dubious at best. The first of President Obama's, most recent, town hall meetings was definitely staged. Most if not all Americans strongly suspected it. It was supposed to a meeting for him to listen to our concerns, respond with some answers to soothe our fears. He took very few questions and talked so much more than he needed, to accomplish his goal. But when the Boston Globe ( a source I respect ) broke the story on how he knew that child's mother it hurt his creditability tremendously. Of course Sheila Jackson Lee didn't help things either. I see no 'Change I can believe in" I see the same shenanigans that I've seen from Washington time and again. The transparency he promised, so far, is nothing more than a promise.
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JamesinDentonTX
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07:25 PM on 08/16/2009
Well you shouldn't trust the government, but you should at least be encouraged that this president wants to do something to help. We have just had eight years without any real progress, and wealth distribution is more out of whack than it has been since th gilded age. Don't you want some relief from that?
06:01 AM on 08/16/2009
Fortunately, Roe v. Wade enshrines a right to privacy in the patient-doctor relationship that is Constitutional in scope. Ultimately, any attempt by federal or state government to insert itself into that relationship is thankfully doomed.
12:05 AM on 08/16/2009
If the Dems 'do the right thing' it will mean true reform making health care for all affordable. But who truly believes they will do that? Bankruptcy of the system, which is what the CBO insists the current proposals will achieve, will offer a certain serious restriction of health care access, leaving us all at the bureaucratic mercy of someone's hellish life & death decisions.
11:51 PM on 08/15/2009
"President Obama supports an approach to health care reform that emphasizes competition and choice, doesn't increase the deficit, and wouldn't raise middle class taxes"

What are you smoking? A public option that will enable employers to dump more expensive plans and put their employees in it does not emphasize competition and choice.

Your comment about not increasing the deficit or raise middle class taxes is only true if you believe in wishonomics vs economics.

You forgot a category that is opposed to Obama's plan. The intelligent elderly. These are the people who realize you cannot increase the number of participants, maintain quality while reducing costs. They have enough knowledge and sense to realize this plan goes eventually to rationing and they are smart enough to know who will be on the short end of that stick.
05:03 PM on 08/15/2009
Dear Mr. Benen:
This nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to force Citizens to have health insurance.

Government has NEVER demonstrated ANY ability to provide effective, efficient, cost effective services of any type. NEVER. They've STOLEN every penny of 72 years of Social Security withholdings and replaced it with a Ponzi scheme. The federal government is demonstrably incompetent to provide the services they claim they will provide under HR 3200. Read it and you will find a much different story than the administration's talking points.

We've trusted federal government to provide healthcare for Veterans and Native Americans for generations. They have failed horribly, and that is in servicing only about 1% of the population.

Existing healthcare is prohibitively expensive because the federal government subsidies and authorizations make it that way. If Americans can't afford healthcare now, how will we afford healthcare for the alleged additional 47 million uninsured?

It is impossible to dramatically increase:
RISK (no prior condition exclusions, no denial of coverage, no increase in premiums, no refusal of policies),
USE (no co-pay to moderate sniffles visits);
USER BASE with no increase in healthcare providers while telling providers their compensation will be significantly reduced: and expect a satisfactory outcome.

If you want low cost, quality healthcare the ONLY solution is to remove ALL government subsidy and control of healthcare. It will get ugly for a while, but it won't take the free market long to adjust.
03:56 PM on 08/15/2009
Oh gad, here we go again with demonizing anyone who disagrees that they are "greedy, .... etc.".

According to Steve, "Why would people who stand to benefit from health care reform ...legislation that would help them and their families? President Obama supports an approach to health care reform that emphasizes competition and choice, doesn't increase the deficit, and wouldn't raise middle class taxes ... "

Yeah... right....

Under Obama-care most people will have LOWER medical services under national health care than existing insurance policies. If not, why is Congress and Obama not signing on for this wonderful system for their families, eh? They all know coverage will be less.

Competition? With HIGHER TAXES subsidizing the national health care option? That's paying for an inefficient government program via taxes vs. policy premiums. It's hiding the payments and is dishonest.

Choice? With a LEGAL MANDATE to join an approved national plan if your policy changes anything?

You're asking - by anyone's survey - 70+% of the American people who are HAPPY with their current medical insurance to change. The voters deserve an honest justification.

Finally, name one, just one, government health program the U.S. government has ever run in all of history that provided competition, choice, lower costs, lower taxes and doesn't increase the deficit. Heck man, I defy you to name one health program run by any government in world history that can show this claim.

Bring on THE FACTS if you dare. I'm betting you can't and won't.
03:01 PM on 08/15/2009
Government health care doesn't make sense until the government can show it can run Medicare and Social Security programs efficiently over an extended period of time. Our country can't sustain those two programs so why would you want the government to run national health care(18% of GDP) until it proves(not possible) it can run a social program well? Schools are just another example of a very costly($13k/student/yr)program that is a total mess. As an entreprenure, I could set up a school, charge much less and have much better results then an average public school. Catholic schools have found a way to educate at about half the cost of public schools.
GOVERNMENTS, anywhere, at any time in history, have never run a cost effective social programs...NOT possible.
If your business had zero competition(like any government program), you would be charging more giving less and sleeping in.
03:01 PM on 08/15/2009
It's real simple to make healthcare affordable. Let people buy healthcare across state lines,tort reform and not let people with preexisting conditions buy health insurance. you can't let people who have health problems get insurance for that problem that's just saying I have cancer or some other disease and I shouldn't have to pay for it. I'm sick of people saying we are the richest nation in the world so everyone should have insurance. It's not the countries money bas a whole it's the individuals money to do what they want with it. This isn't about getting people affordable healthcare it's about control. You're supposed to have equal opportunities not equal outcomes. It's alie when they say preventitive medicine will reduce costs. Not everybodies going to get a major disease and if they do most times you don't know what you'll get so how is spending money on everybody to prevent something that not everybody will get anyway. If this goes through we will be gov't slaves.
07:07 PM on 08/15/2009
There is a fair bit of dishonesty on Obama part not to fully implement a program -- that includes Tort Refort, and to sell insurance across states. But really it's the issue of pre-existing conditions that is the issue. Left to their own devices, insurance companies really only want to provide insurance to those who don't need it. They can micro-manage your life by knowing everything about it through analysis of tests, etc. The trouble with this approach is that you become a statistic and more and more the thresholds they have elminiate more and more people, particularly as they get older. The challenge is more and more that there just are NO insurance companies that will take risks on certain individuals, or they read way to much into their results. The other issue that you assume is that these all of these health issues are preventable. But often many of these health issues are genetic in nature. Are we to blame for getting cancer, for example, if it's an issue of genes and not of lifestyle. If that is the case, and I assume it will be, there will be a time when insurance companies will not only require you to go through a physical but will also require you to take a DNA test so they can identify possible health issues. Then they will go just that much farther and eliminate those people from having insurance too.
02:46 PM on 08/15/2009
Typical liberal article from Mr. Benen. Attack the opposition, name-call and be-little those who have different opinions from your own.

What you fail to acknowledge anywhere in your article, Mr. Benen, is that nearly every group you describe with your demeaning put-downs are simply sick and tired of the power-grab by this narcissistic administration and the trampling of the Constitution that they demonstrate every day.

The reason people are opposed to this health care bill is because we don't want an inept federal bureaucracy that can't even run a letter and package delivery organization without losing 7 billion dollars a year, to be responsible for our health care system.

We have enough socialism already running rampant as a result of this administration (nationalizing of the financial system, nationalizing the auto industry, the impending nationalization of the energy industry through Cap & Tax) and we do not want another 1/7th of our economy taken over by the government.

Do we need reform? Absolutely. There have been numerous proposals put forward by Republicans (HR 3218 for one - 24 pages long, doesn't cost the taxpayer a penny and does more for health care recipients than the joke of a piece of legislation put forward by the Socialist Democratic party), but the state-run media would rather cover a few right-wing fringe knuckleheads at a Town Hall meeting than cover alternative proposals that would actually improve health care without asking the all-mighty government to take it over.
06:09 PM on 08/15/2009
Why is it that every time the government lives up to its constitutional mandate to promote the public interest, you conservatives scream bloody murder some nonsense about socialism and nationalization. You people are so afraid that you will no longer be able to feed your insatiable greed with impunity.
Here is a suggestion that will please everyone. Why don't all of you conservatives pack up and move to that economic free market paradise called Somalia. No government there to interfere with you. Health care is not an issue because there is none. The media won't pose a problem because it doesn't exist either. You can even indulge in real piracy if you care to.

I for one am sick and tired of this country being turned into a third world banana republic by the genocide of the American middle class performed by the ultra rich right wing who will not rest until all American workers are forced into indentured servitude. What is next, a great hunger like the British used to exterminate the Irish in the 1840's?
02:35 AM on 08/16/2009
Do you really believe what you wrote? Moving to Somalia? Banana Republic? Geoncide? Indentured servatude? Please. This is a discussion about health care with many Americans having real doubts about the proposed plans the Democratic congress and the President are pushing. Had they presented their proposals giving people the time to digest them from the get go, there may have been disagreement but probably not the level of anger we're seeing now at the town hall meetings. Instead, their plan was clearly to put something together and pass it asap, without either sufficient public education or input. People assumed, given this behavior, something nefarious was afoot. Hence all the wild talk about what's actually being proposed. And the proponents are now using their own wild talk against those that oppose. The whole issue has become a full flung mele and the American people are the ones who will ultimately pay dearly for the fractured trust that's been so foolishly manufactured.
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JamesinDentonTX
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07:32 PM on 08/16/2009
Republicans lost the election, and have killed health care reform everytime it has been proposed in the past. It is the party of big business, guns, and god. Strange combination. The Democrats will be in charge unti lthey are voted out. That's how it works. You had your turn.

PS Don't beat me over the head with the Constitution, the Republicans who were in charge showed abslutely no respect for it.
02:07 PM on 08/15/2009
The loony left sees bogeymen behind every corner.

If you needed a heart transplant which country would you fly to? Well we all know that America is still #1 at something - health care. But that doesn't stop the loony left from wanting it to become the same as public education - 3rd world in quality.

The few problems we now have are due to the government - like preventing insurance companies from offering nationwide health insurance plans like we have with car insurance. Look at any problem and the government caused it.

Now you want the same government, the one that is totally bankrupting our country, to "fix" health care?

Dream on...
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Kaviraj
10:20 AM on 08/16/2009
The insane right thinks it is first class, but you rank 37th on the world list. Indeed, dream on.
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JamesinDentonTX
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07:38 PM on 08/16/2009
Yes, the left sees bogeymen around every corner. Are you paying attention when you watch Hannity, BillO, and Beck? Those guys have been in a panic ever since they figured out they were losing the election.
01:05 PM on 08/15/2009
I wrestle with Medicare almost every month. It is cumbersome and very ineffecient, and I must supplement it for it to work at all...an expensive proposition. My wife is without health care. Yet, having read HR 3200, I oppose it and its cousins. Why? Because I do not believe government has any role to play in health care and where they already do, they do it badly. If I had had the money I have poured into Medicare (and BTW continue to pour into it), I would have had the resources to handle our health care needs, even in this down economy. Government assisted health care cannot improve America's medical lot, it can only bring it down. I will be standing in the wings ready to proclaim, "I told you so, but you wouldn't believe me."
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Dale Larson
12:21 PM on 08/15/2009
It's time to end our "risky experiment" of "For-profit health insurance". It's a proven failure.

HR676 (http://hr676.org) Single Payer system that is proven, pro-business and pro-people:

* Slashes at least 30% of costs off the top by removing private insurance overhead.
* Companies take health care expenses off their books. Stock value increases. Better able to compete internationally.
* Small companies could have access to higher skilled workers because previously they couldn't compete in the labor market by offering similar benefits.
* More entrepreneurial ventures will launch since they have more money and less unrelated risk.
* Dramatic drop in bankruptcies.
* Dramatic drop in lawsuits. Most of these lawsuits are simply to obtain money to cover health care if something interrupts their coverage.
* Reduced system complexity. Greater efficiency due to fewer regulations.
* Savings from employees not having to fight with their insurers during work hours.
* HSA and MSA dollars redirected back into the economy for goods and services.
* Additional money to spend from not having to carry "uninsured motorist coverage" on your auto policy.
* Contract employment is more viable for workers since they are guaranteed access to health care.
* People are covered when unemployed. No chance of being wiped out financially if you lose your job.
* Health care providers (doctors, hospitals, therapists...) see increase in business with much less administrative expense.
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ragtag
12:58 PM on 08/15/2009
Add: Unshackle a huge number of people from their current dead-end jobs (tied to because of health insurance benefits) to flex their entrepreneurial spirit without the fear of losing everything if they get sick.
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Dale Larson
05:09 PM on 08/15/2009
"to flex their entrepreneurial spirit without the fear of losing everything if they get sick."

EXACTLY!

This approach would unleash an entrepreneurial Renaissance that this country hasn't seen. It would actually get us back to innovation dominance that we currently cede to China, Japan, Europe, etc...

I'm talking about HARD products. Not the "make believe" stuff coming out of Wall Street that nearly sank the entire planet's financial system.
11:49 AM on 08/15/2009
"Our current Health Care System, which is envied around the world, is the best in the world. People from around the globe come to America seeking our health care. Do Americans travel to Canada, Cuba, England or France etc. to seek health care?"

According some reports from the own health care insurance industry, about 6 million Americans will travel abroad because they can not afford the costs on this country.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/27/india.medical.travel/index.html

The statement above is the perfect example of how ideological fanaticism and ignorance is guiding this health care debate .How can you have a rational discussion with this people?

Patriotism has been historically the perfect weapon for tyrannizing people: not reason, not empirical evidence is enough when you are blinded with some abstracts ideas that doesn't match with the current reality.

What a sad country.
01:21 PM on 08/15/2009
What's sad is your argument - did you even read the article you cite or did you read it and just purposefully misrepresent it?

It talks of people going to India for treatment for treatment, for several reasons-

-Cheaper (for folks from the US) - this is market forces, the kind that will disappear in the US if we allow ourselves to be propelled towards a single payer system
-Care not available (from less developed countries)
-Tired of waiting (from COUNTRIES WITH NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE!)
11:31 PM on 08/15/2009
The difference between single payer systems and third world health care systems like US is quite different. It is not the same going to India for a hip replacement than going for serious illnesses like the complicated heart procedure this articles cited. In a single payer system, because you don't exclude people from the line, the serious cases are automatically placed in the first position, nobody dies for a serious heart condition, in fact when that happens, that is a national scandal and they are the exception. In US almost 20,000 people die because of the lack of proper care due serious illness than need more than an emergency stabilization, but it seems the American life is not that important. This the price of capitalism-jungle.
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sino53
11:26 AM on 08/15/2009
What I suggest, is that you defend the SPECIFIC bills in question, like H.R. 3200--rather than trying to demonize your opposition.

I'm not one of those you call "tin-foil hat," but I'm always appalled when personal attacks and impugning one's motives are used in place of real argument. ON BOTH SIDES, it still stinks.

Will $500 billiion need to be trimmed from Medicare's budget or not? If so, where will you find the cuts beyond Medicare Advantage?

Will the reimbursement rates and premiums for the public option be set so low as to entice America's employers to abandoning private insurance? if so, how does this square with Obama's "promise" that "If you like your current plan, you can keep it?"

How do you bring 47 miilion uninsured Americans into a health care system without vastly expanding the pool of doctors, and expect that fees will NOT go up? Do you know the Law of Supply and Demand?

Why don't you start with THOSE questions.
And leave the personal attacks out of it.
10:50 AM on 08/15/2009
So, when someone has a differing opinion than you, they must be either greedy, crazy, stupid, or a combination of all three?

Keep flailing about, and keep attacking anyone who doesn't tow the line for whatever hair brained scheme the goverment comes up with.

You are doing wonders for your cause, really.....
12:31 PM on 08/15/2009
yeah, some of these libs are in such a bubble that they created that they actually believe this groupthink. its funny how they nonchalantly just rip on folks, like its nothing....