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Perspectives of a Former Fundamentalist Christian

Posted: 03/14/11 11:03 PM ET

This is the last in a three-part series entitled "The Perspectives of a Former Fundamentalist Christian." If you're interested in reading the first two posts, here are the links:

As a Fundamentalist Christian, This I Was Taught to Believe - Part One

Perspectives of a Former Fundamentalist Christian - Part Two

In the last post, I indicated that many within the church have misinterpreted the meaning of John 14:6 where Jesus said, "I am the way ... no man comes to the Father except through me." There is another way to understand these words that is more in keeping with his understanding of himself and the human/divine connection that was his joy to know, just as it was for other spiritual masters.

Those who have a problem with the alternative understanding I described in the last post -- which, not surprisingly, are almost exclusively fundamentalist Christians -- usually ask another question of me: "Don't your views of Jesus undermine his authority and that of the Bible?" And, my response is, "They do not for me. Do they for you?" If so, then you will likely disagree with all of my perspectives, cling to your beliefs, and so feel the need to vigorously defend your beliefs by whatever means possible. I understand this reaction, as I lived this way for decades myself.

As a former fundamentalist Christian, I felt the need to defend my beliefs almost continually. While I thought I was being a good "Christian apologist," defending the faith against heretics and disbelievers, I realize now that all I was really defending was a threatened little ego -- (that very "self" Jesus counseled us to deny - Matt. 16:24) with it's belief system. Someone has rightly said, "Beliefs are a cover-up for insecurity; you only ever believe in the things you're not certain about." I had many religious beliefs or, more accurately, the ego in me held tightly to many beliefs and so found an illusory and passing sense of identity in them. Like a starving person might grasp a bowl of rice, I (the ego) not only held to these beliefs but I feared they might be discredited, dismissed, or worse, disproven. So, I guarded, debated, and defended my beliefs against any perceived enemy. That is to say, the ego in me was busy making others wrong by making itself right. Consequently, I had little time for genuine inner exploration and reflection. Although I had questions and doubts, I dismissed those, at least for as long as I could.

Then, one day, I awakened. Life will give you whatever experience is necessary to awaken you to the Divine presence. I've written about this extensively in my book. One of the results of this spiritual awakening was a detachment from the ego self with its belief system. I know now that attachment to anything will cause you to suffer. So, there's a sense in which, to borrow the words of Gerry Spence, I was liberated -- liberated "to have a mind that was opened by wonder instead of one closed by belief." Only when you feel the need to argue and insist your beliefs are "right" -- by which you really mean the beliefs of others are wrong -- do you create inner conflict that then manifests itself as outer conflict. That is, you create an "us" against "them" world, a "We're right; You're wrong!" environment which is humanly untenable.
This would explain virtually all human conflicts.

Our planet may be small but it is large enough to sustain a variety of perspectives. Branches on a tree don't all have to look the same in order to draw nourishment from the same vine. So, my perspective today -- indeed my deepest passion -- is to stay open, to be reflective, and to keep seeking truth. Or, as the philosopher Andre' Gide put it, I desire to "seek the truth while doubting those (and, that would include myself) who think they have found it." "Truth," said Democritus, "is at the bottom of the abyss; and the abyss is bottomless."

I take Jesus and his teachings very seriously. More so than I ever did in those days when I ran around trying to save Jesus from the liberals and disbelievers and convert the world to my way (or "our" way) of thinking and believing. Today, I am committed to following Jesus. I trust his teachings. As a follower of his way of knowing the Divine, I am living a much more conscious, compassionate, and charitable life.

"What do you believe about the Bible?" is another question I'm frequently asked.

The Bible is my primary source of Divine inspiration, spiritual insight, and practical wisdom. It is not a book of magic to me, however. I do not presume it fell out of the sky perfectly written, free of error, bound in leather, and in the language of King James. Instead, it is to me a collection of sacred stories and spiritual teachings that span several hundred centuries of Jewish and Christian history. Consequently, there is no passage that can be read or interpreted apart from its cultural, political, social, and religious context.

I used to think that by saying things like "If the Bible says it, I believe it" I was expressing my faith in and devotion to the "good book." I now realize that I only said those things as a way of dismissing the questions I had about the Bible, particularly the inequities and contradictions that are abundant throughout it. In other words, by dismissing the questions I had about the Bible, as well as the ones it generates itself, I deceived myself into thinking I was honoring the Bible, even revering it. In truth, I was living a lie and, as a consequence, could not have done more to dishonor the Bible. I was making a mistake many sincere Christians still make today. My actions were insane and they went on for many years. Gratefully, the awakening ended the madness.

The Bible is the story of the Jewish/Christian quest to know God. But, it is not the sole sacred text that records this human longing. Other peoples and cultures have their own sacred writings. So, my perspective is that all sacred texts point toward the same spiritual quest as well as to the same spiritual Truth. The difference is only in emphasis, understanding, culture and tradition.

I have watched, even participated, as every branch of the Christian church has debated, disagreed, and eventually divided over the denomination was going to "say" about the Bible. Most of these maddening conflicts have swirled around such words as "authoritative," "inerrant," "infallible," and so forth. My own perspective is this: the Bible, just as other sacred texts, is infinitely more than anything I, or anyone else, could ever say about it. In fact, if what we "say" about the Bible becomes more important than what the Bible, or any other sacred text, says to us ... well ... what could be more insane than this?

I seek to embrace spiritual truth wherever I find it. While the Bible is still my primary source of spiritual inspiration, I find insight in living through the writings of Lao Tzu, the Bhagavad Gita, the Vedas, and so forth. In fact, I recently set up a website www.DailyAPPlift.com as a place where the spiritual wisdom from all of the spiritual traditions might be shared and embraced. Truth is truth wherever it is found. And, it is "the truth," said Jesus, "that will free you" (Jn. 8:32).

"In which Christian denomination do you hold membership?"

Only two officially; but, I have attraction to and interest in all of the Christian communions, as well as several eastern religions.

I grew up a Baptist -- more precisely, a Southern Baptist. I did not know it at the time but there are as many Baptists as there are flavors of Baskin-Robbins ice cream. But today, I regard myself as the product of many Christian traditions. All of them add value and a distinctive flavor to the complexity that is my Christian experience. Recently, for example, I joined the Roman Catholic Church. But, I neither abandoned my Baptist faith nor my membership in a local Baptist church. So, today, I actually hold membership in both a Protestant and a Catholic church. Someone heard me acknowledge this recently in a speech I was giving, and they responded, "But you can't do that?"

"Says who?" I asked. I'm not sure it will ever happen but, before I leave this planet, I've contemplated joining the Methodists, too, as well as the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, the Unity Church, and some others as well. I enjoy visiting and worshipping with people of other religions, too.

Why? My perspective is this: There is infinitely more that unites us than divides us. I so admire Buddhism and Hinduism and, lately, the mysticism of Islam expressed in the writings of the Sufi poet Rumi, I might seek to join these other great religious traditions sometime too. None of this takes away from my Christian commitment to live the way of Christ. To the contrary, these associations have added richness and diversity to my spiritual walk with God.

If any of this feels threatening to you, my suggestion is that you explore your feelings. As for me, I am committed to what the 17th Carmelite monk, Brother Lawrence, called, "the practice of the presence of God." And, some of the religions of the world, I'm discovering, have insights in how to do this that have strengthened my Christian walk. In short, I regard myself as a Christ-follower by choice, a multi-denominationalist by interest, and an ardent practitioner of the spiritual practices found within many eastern religions. All of this helps me in what I describe as "the sacred art of knowing God."

"You use the words 'Post-Christian world.' What do you mean by this?"

When I was young, all of my neighbors were Christian. Even those who were not regular churchgoers regarded themselves as Christian. Furthermore, virtually everyone thought of America as a "Christian" nation. In school, I read that America was a "melting pot." But, the pot of stew in our little world had only white, Protestant potatoes with a few Catholics here and there.

Today, however, my little world -- your little world, too -- has changed. Your neighbor might be a Christian. But, it just as possible, perhaps even probable, that the neighbor is a Jew or a Muslim, a Buddhist or a Hindu, an agnostic or atheist. What does this mean? If America is to survive -- indeed, if humanity is to survive -- religious people must actually start practicing the very things their faith professes; love, peace, and acceptance of all -- those like you and those different from you.

There have been few conflicts throughout history, down to and including the present national and international conflicts, that have not been religiously motivated. This insanity will have to end if humanity is to survive. Unfortunately, there are some fundamentalist Christians who actually believe the world is not only getting worse, but they believe history is headed toward a great showdown and there is actually no stopping it. They hold to a belief system, the Rapture, that was first popularized by Hal Lindsey in his Late Great Planet Earth and most recently by Jerry Jenkins and Timothy LaHaye in their Left Behind series of novels. In their belief system, the Rapture is a way of escaping what they deem is an unavoidable escalation of wickedness in the world.

This is a belief system not unlike one finds among Muslim radicals. Both believe the world is doomed to destruction. Consequently, the fundamentalist Christians, on one hand, withdraw from the world and cling to the Rapture as a means of ultimately escaping the world they cannot forgive and have failed to redeem. On the other hand, instead of withdrawing, Islamic radicals come forward, kill themselves with suicide bombs, and so escape to an illusory Paradise where mythical rewards as virgins await them. Both approaches are destructive belief systems and fundamentally at odds with the teachings of their spiritual masters -- Jesus and Muhammad, respectively. The Dalai Lama is right: "Until there is peace among the religions, there will be no peace in the world."

"What do you believe is wrong with Christianity?"

Wrong question. "There's nothing wrong with Christianity," as G. K. Chesterton once noted. "There's everything wrong with Christians." For all the good that most of them do, it is the Christians who are often the source of human division, destruction, and planetary suffering. Whether with bombs that maim and destroy or belief systems that raptures the Christians while leaving others behind, they repeatedly label, judge, and seek to discredit, if not destroy, their perceived enemies.

My perspective is that there is room enough for everyone on this planet. But, until Christians actually live as Jesus lived, treat others, but especially their enemies, with forgiveness, openness, and respect, even as Christ did, human division and suffering will continue. Instead of "being in the world but not of it," as Jesus taught (John 17:15-16), Christians will be neither in the world nor of any benefit to it. And, my own perspective is: that's a consequence neither I nor any other genuine follower of Christ really wants.

 
 
 

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02:48 AM on 03/21/2011
"There's nothing wrong with Christianity," as G. K. Chesterton once noted. "There's everything wrong with Christians."

is also an appropriate insight reading many responses in this and other religion threads and also applies to adherents of faiths and philosophies that pre and post date Christianity.

What does get lost in spirituality is the idea that all faiths/beliefs/non-beliefs are different paths to the same goal and each reflects the sensibilities of the specific culture.

Some evangelists of every faith seem to forget the creator gave each of us free will and attempting to impose a belief through profane means rather than sacred example is an affront to the gift of free will.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
08:56 AM on 03/18/2011
Liberal christians still cherry pick the bible, and still dismiss the passages they find unpleasant., Ive posted many bible passages, and heard many excuses (youre taking it out of context), to nullify what each passage implies. To me, christianity is a relgion full of turmoil, and no real love and acceptance can come out of it. Ive talked to many christians on many areas of the spectrum, and even the liberals are disappointed that I dont believe in Jesus.
12:46 PM on 03/16/2011
Just another crackpot trying to defend his unbiblical liberalism. A GOOD hermenuetic takes all the Scripture relating to a particular topic and lets the texts [with a nod to the context and meaning to original audiences] dictate the meaning [meaning is unchanging over time while application may be quite fluid]. These individual doctrines must work cohesively with other doctrine or you have contradiction. With that in mind, John 1:1 and John 14:6 coupled with Romans 10:9-10 gives you an understanding of an eternal Christ who is God with whom you must accept, believe, and commit to as the Lord [the authority you submit yourself to] of your life. To deny Christ is to deny the One True God. To deny Christ is to deny the way to the One True God. To deny Christ is to deny lordship of the One True God..
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Steve McSwain
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06:31 PM on 03/16/2011
A "crackpot?" Pretty funny. I've been called many things but this is a first. Thank you. By the way, I do not deny Christ. I am a devoted follower of Christ and His way of knowing the Divine. I value your insights and comments regarding what I write and our spiritual journeys that, while different, share many things in common. As a follower of Christ yourself, I am sure you know how important it was to Jesus how we regard each other, even, and perhaps especially, when we disagree.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
08:59 AM on 03/18/2011
@Steve. This is why I deconverted. John Killinger put it succinctly: How Ironic that Jesus, the great unifyer, has become the great divider, seperating people as saved and unsaved. Also, I have many psychic abilities, and that also conflicts with christianity. that and reincarnation (i know someone will mention the Gnostic gospels, but its still about accepting the concept of Jesus)
11:33 AM on 03/18/2011
I believe from your articles to this point you might better present yourself as 'a devoted follower of Christ as far as you like what He said'. Your gymnastics around the clear meaning of John 14:6 is entertaining at best. If Jesus believed all paths [or many paths] led to relationship with the Godhead through Him then why didn't He just say that? What do you do with Matthew 1:23 defining Jesus as the Son of God AND God? Muslims won't acknowledge Him as God. What do you do with Matthew 28:5-6 which proclaims the resurrection of Jesus? The resurrection by the Father was a proof Jesus was truthful and indeed who He said He was. Denying the resurrection makes the rest of Scripture untrustworthy and waste of time.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
10:20 AM on 03/16/2011
Steve
, While I disagree with your "take" I would like to say thanks for responding to so many posts. That in itself is comendable. God bless.
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Steve McSwain
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06:33 PM on 03/16/2011
Thank you too. I hope I'm not being offensive to anyone. I want only for the thirty-four million Americans who've given up on organized religion to know that there is a spiritual life for them, even if they seek to pursue one outside the confines of any religious tradition.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
09:50 PM on 03/15/2011
" Instead, it is to me a collection of sacred stories and spiritual teachings that span several hundred centuries of Jewish and Christian history. Consequently, there is no passage that can be read or interpreted apart from its cultural, political, social, and religious context".

So I suppose the author believes the bible lies when it says " All scipture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoughly furnished unto all good works".
12:09 AM on 03/16/2011
No, you can suppose no such thing. The author clearly believes the Bible is "profitable" in the way mentioned. And by the way, "scripture" in the verse cited meant to the writer primarily the Old Testament, as the New Testament at the time did not exist in any definitive form. The fact that the verse appears in the Bible does not make it apply to the Bible as a whole. This is the principle of interpreting the Bible in the context of the time that Mr. McSwain cites. And the word "perfect" illustrates another of McSwain's points, that one must be careful when dealing with translations. The Greek word does not carry the sense of moral perfection, but rather completeness or wholeness, not lacking in any basic understanding of how to lead a God-pleasing life.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
01:55 AM on 03/16/2011
All scripture means all scripture. Not just what is convinient to your argument. God knew what He was doing.
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Steve McSwain
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06:35 PM on 03/16/2011
Nicholas, this is a splendid response you have made. I could not have stated it better myself. Thank you so very much. Blessings on your journey of faith.
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Steve McSwain
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07:58 AM on 03/16/2011
All scripture IS inspired but subject to the interpretation by people like you and me who are often anything but inspired. Thank you for your comments.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
10:10 AM on 03/16/2011
I guess you missed the verse that says " Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation". Or " The Holy Spirit will guild you into all truth". Do you not believe that a person filled with the Holy Spirit will understand what God is saying? Instead of "contending for the faith", you make arguments against it. Your humanistic view certainly comes through. Even Christ said, " be ye not unequally yoked together". Seperation from unbelievers is a doctrine found throughout the bible. Nowhere in the bible are we told to go out and change the world or redeem it. And the bible is very clear about the end times and things getting worse and worse. I respect your right to your opinion, I just don't understand how a person who claims to know the bible can hold to the ones you have.
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08:09 PM on 03/15/2011
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I encourage more people to become educated about this problematic issue. The far ends of the religious spectrum are wreaking havoc for all the ones in the mainstream.
03:45 PM on 03/15/2011
I can understand the appeal and the longing in every human to know GOD and know HIM more.

If GOD made a plan to reveal HIMSELF to us, HIS plan would be perfect.

Also for all religions there is a timeline for their coming into existence, would be very interesting to see some research on that.
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JohnFromCensornati
Wake up! It's 1984.
05:00 PM on 03/15/2011
"I can understand the appeal and the longing in every human to know GOD and know HIM more."

I think you don't understand it because some of us don't have it.
07:04 PM on 03/15/2011
Hosea 10:12
Sow for yourselves righteousness;
Reap in mercy;
Break up your fallow ground,
For it is time to seek the LORD,
Till He comes and rains righteousness on you.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled. (Matthew 5:6)
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05:01 PM on 03/15/2011
5000 years of religion in 90 seconds:
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html
07:09 PM on 03/15/2011
Of all those, only one GOD sacrificed HIS life for me and that is JESUS CHRIST.

Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
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kokuaguy
I'll let God be the judge of who gets to Heaven.
03:37 PM on 03/15/2011
"several hundred centuries of Jewish and Christian history?" Even if goes back 5,000 years, that's 50 centuries.
also:
If you still persist in writing, 'Good food at it's best', you deserve to be struck by lightning, hacked up on the spot and buried in an unmarked grave."
— Lynne Truss (Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation)
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
03:01 PM on 03/15/2011
I suppose what I find oddest about fundamentalist Christianity is its lack of faith in adhering to the deeds of Jesus. As far as Jesus goes, the New Testament is more or less the Book of Hearsay. As Monty Python so brilliantly pointed out with just one line ("Blessed are the cheesemakers"), there is no Book of Jesus. All of his words are second or third hand at best, and who knows what was said compared to what they heard or remembered. So, all one really has to judge Jesus are his actions. And what I see there is infinite forgiveness and refusal to judge...and that's the exact opposite that I see from the fundamentalist Christian movement today.
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Steve McSwain
Author; speaker; spiritual teacher
05:03 PM on 03/15/2011
Thank you for your candid response and, simply, for reading and responding to the post.
09:38 PM on 03/15/2011
If the gospels are simply hearsay then how do you suppose to know about the "deeds of Jesus" any more than the "teachings of Jesus?" The information we have about Jesus's actions comes from the same sources as the information we have about his words. Besides, most of Jesus;s 'actions" involved some sort of miracle...which I doubt you believe in either.

You can't dismiss the gospels as unreliable and hearsay and then presume to lecture the fundamentalists about what Jesus really taught and did. You don't know either.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
11:12 PM on 03/15/2011
And this is exactly what I'm talking about...even what the author is talking about. I'd have a lot more respect if there wasn't an instant defensiveness every time an opinion doesn't fit exactly into a belief system. There was far more to Jesus (I happen to believe in a historical Jesus of Nazareth) than just miracles. There was plenty Jesus did that mortals could follow...such as not judging...forgiveness...helping those less fortunate.
12:33 AM on 03/16/2011
Actually, there are principles that scholars use to discern those sayings most likely to be closest to Jesus' actual words. Things like multiple attestation (including attestation in non-canonical sources), criteria of dissimilarity, etc. As you probably know, Jesus spoke Aramaic, and almost all his sayings are recorded in Greek, so we are already one step removed from what Jesus actually said. Read it in English translation and we are at least two steps removed. And as to the historical narrative as opposed to the didactic, there are some things, like the birth narratives, that clearly have the air of literary inventions. You can find introductory books on Biblical criticism at any good bookstore, it is not an "all or nothing" decision as you seem to imply.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
02:30 PM on 03/15/2011
Let us say, that Jesus never truly existed and that most of the bible is fictional. Let us also assume that the bible story is a test of logic, and those that accept the bible story as truth, are being tested.

I believe that we are the pawns of the gods. Fun little playthings for their amusement. Perhaps that is why some humans are cruel, I dont know. But my assertions are from my own experiences.
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
01:44 PM on 03/15/2011
Beautiful essay on the differences between genuine spirituality and religiosity.

As you so beautifully outlined, the direct experience of the spiritual is freeing, not confining. Open our hearts, rather than closes us in fear and judgment. Unites, rather than divides.

People fight for their beliefs, because their beliefs have been drained of the direct experience of which you speak. So they cling to the words, and argue over what they mean....because, sadly, that is all that they have.

Like an empty box of cereal....the substance is gone...so they fight over the packaging.

Lest they packaging be proved wrong...and they are left empty-handed.

I bow to your courage to call this behavior what it is, and call attention to what motivates it.

Egoic fear.
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Steve McSwain
Author; speaker; spiritual teacher
05:04 PM on 03/15/2011
Thank you and my sentiments exactly. Blessings.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
10:15 AM on 03/16/2011
Jesus himself said he came to divide.
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
12:04 PM on 03/16/2011
Yes.

But what makes you so sure that you fully understand what it is that he sought to divide...and HOW that division would take place?

That is my beef with fundamentalists. Spiritual language is subtle and multi-layered. Revealing the true depth of its meaning only as we ourselves develop greater and greater spiritual maturity.

...and a statement that seemed to mean one thing, at one point in our lives....reveals its self to mean something very different later in our lives.

Not because the words have changed...but because WE have changed and see the words (and their meaning) differently.
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homer winslow
Truth in Beauty, Beauty in Truth
01:18 PM on 03/15/2011
Great series of articles. If more fundamentalist Christians would stop and think, examine their beliefs and research other religious movements, they might come to the same conclusions. I have a friend who is a Catholic. He says that all he wants from life is for people to look at the way he lives and say "I want to have what he has." He tries hard to walk the walk while refusing to talk the talk, because the talk is just that.
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Steve McSwain
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01:57 PM on 03/15/2011
Thank you for reading them and responding.
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wmnorton
Moderate where moderate used to be
12:55 PM on 03/15/2011
Mr. McSwain, you talked about fundamentalist Christians getting hung up on the King James translation about "no one can come to the father except through me", but what did the original Greek or the Latin Bibles have to say? I don't speak either Greek or Latin but I've always wonder about that since I know that the King James translation was by a commitee who thouhgt that the English translation should be in a poetic form. Thanks If you get to this.
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Steve McSwain
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01:56 PM on 03/15/2011
Even the Greek and Hebrew will not take you back to the "original" words spoken either by Jesus (who most likely spoke Aramaic) or even to the Biblical writers and their original writings. The oldest manuscripts we have date from the late and early 1st and 2nd centuries and are distinguished by their many contradictions and errors. Much of all of this you have to either accept by faith or discount, and some have, entirely.Thanks for your comment and observations.
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wmnorton
Moderate where moderate used to be
03:36 PM on 03/16/2011
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth and the life, No one comes to the Father but by me." John 14:6. King James Version, I have always wondered if a better translation would be, "My way is the way of truth and light, No one comes to God except through my way." Then it vecomes the path that is important not the prophet. My fundamentalist friends lose it when I suggest that the translators may have oversold the "Christianity is the only way part" since they were interested in drawing the line sharply between Christianity and Islam. But since I don't know either Greek or Latin I can not support my position with what those Bibles actually say.
12:22 PM on 03/15/2011
Remember "God said it, I believe it, that does it"? That was the argument that I was taught to use when my beliefs were questioned. Now I hear it and it sounds like "lalalalalala, I can't hear you!"
Thank you for writing this series, and sharing your evolution of perspectives.
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Steve McSwain
Author; speaker; spiritual teacher
01:59 PM on 03/15/2011
Thank you for reading and taking time to respond. Blessings.
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JohnFromCensornati
Wake up! It's 1984.
11:28 AM on 03/15/2011
"I've contemplated joining the Methodists, too, as well as the Presbyterians, Episcopalians, the Unity Church, and some others as well."

I would recommend against Presby - really dull.