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Steven Weber

Posted: May 10, 2010 09:40 PM

'Night, Court

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Can anybody tell me why, when it comes to accused terrorists, military tribunals are preferable to normal judicial proceedings in a civil court of law?

Is it because they don't want those fancy pants New York lawyers being all wise-cracky during a "You can't handle the truth!" moment?

Is it because the three military judges are allowed to smash the defendant on his turban with their gavels?

Are the aprés waterboard/nut-shock snacks better?

Do interrogators get to wear the latest in Xe-wear (clingy black unitards, like Green Lantern)?

Because as far as I can tell (stuck here in my liberal soap bubble, awash with caviar and Noam Chomsky videos), the idea of not applying our rule of law to anyone accused of terrorism is yet another mistake made by the lizard brains who got us into this fix in the first place.

By being relentlessly reliant on a cold war black-ops kind of mentality when it comes to foreign affairs (deposing governments, installing kangaroo juntas, assassinating, defoliating, backstabbiating, etc.) and then adding a generous dollop of corporate missionary position myopia, you get a conveyor belt of cuddly little jihadists intent on making life for America as miserable as America made for them. But go ahead -- give them more reason to join a terror cell and win a date with 72 virgins by not even demonstrating one of the legitimately cool things about America -- its legal process.

Say what you will about our frequently clogged, antiquated system ("You're out of awduh, here! You're out of awduh!!!" -- And Justice For All. Love that Al!) it's still better than the idea of some spiritually broken miskite, his life a world of shit, hate and poverty, having been indoctrinated into thinking that America is the devil, only to find out that it really is.

The founding fathers have really taken a beating these last couple of decades. All their hard work has been whittled down and hijacked by cynical opportunists, spiritually broken themselves, launching their own jihads on the precepts of Democracy upon which this country was founded.

And when those bastards are brought finally apprehended, even though one might feel like pulling down their pants and shooting rubber bands at their exposed taints, I will still prefer to have their Miranda Rights read to them and go through normal criminal proceedings in a court of law.

Because it's what separates us from them.

 

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03:22 PM on 06/01/2010
Military tribunals generally [some restrictions] allow hearsay as evidence.

Civil courts don't.
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09:03 PM on 05/16/2010
Conservatives should read art VI of the
bill of
Conservatives should read Article VI of the Bill of Rights, which guarantees each "accused " a fair trial, not jus each citizen.




rights,which guarantees each "accused" a fair trial, not just each "citizen"
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FlamingLibrul
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04:28 PM on 05/11/2010
Because it's what separates us from them.

Maybe the righties don't want to be separated anymore. They have their own Jihad to wage against Democracy, starting with the Constitutional rights we have apparently been taking for granted. No one enjoys the idea of respecting the rights of terrorists- it does seem absurd in an existential sort of way, but it's what civilized, Democratically-principled nations do- to set ourselves above the chaos-inspired, America-hating anarchists.

The first Beck-inspired mouth-breather and/or teabagger to commit an act of domestic terrorism will demand all its rights, and it will have them. I also demand clowns such as the Hutaree terrorists be charged with treason- why be selective?
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MsYellowDog
03:53 PM on 05/11/2010
NOTHING separates the Neocons and the American Taliban from "them," in my opinion. They are the same creature dressed in American flag.
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ChrisDWard
Real eyes realize real lies
01:24 PM on 05/11/2010
Amen!!! Rachel Maddow did a piece on this very subject several nights ago, and I believe she said that the three terrorists who were tried by military tribunal are already out of prison!! Whereas, more recently convicted terrorists, adjudicated through normal legal channels, including homegrown types like Timothy McVeigh, are still in prison with super stiff sentences, or have been executed (McVeigh). Why these cynics don't have more faith in our judicial system is beyond my comprehension. It's the basis of our democracy and one of the key differences between us and them.
12:51 PM on 05/11/2010
Yo, Stevie, man...What's the word on the "WINGS" thing? is it gonna happen or not? If not, man, I can DEFINITLELY see you starring in an Iraq war flick, like Matt Damon... hey,, is there ANY chance of getting a signed copy of Season 1 of WINGS? If I send it to you, will you autograph it for me? Thanks,Bro..
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Steven Weber
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01:08 PM on 05/11/2010
If I have time after I finish counting this months residuals I will get my staff to send you one. Mother...?
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JohnLorenzo
Examine the reasons of your true intent.
12:44 PM on 05/11/2010
Steven – I hear ya. It seems to me that these lizard brain individuals, like Rove, suffer from an astronomical amount of maladies. I would guess it's a combination of insecurity, delusional disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, dissocial personality disorder, and the very scientific, penis envy.

I think too it's about control. When you want control, nay, demand control of situations, you go for scenarios that help provide it. Military courts are more insulated from public view. Taking away citizen rights, like Miranda rights, gives you a distinct advantage in manipulating procedures, and so on.

These mentally warped righties couldn't care less about making and keeping America as a shinning example of fairness and truth. That always takes up too much time and just gets in the way of their personal profits, and thus, their goal of total control.
11:58 AM on 05/11/2010
Read the article referenced below, it helped me clarify.

Personally, I don't think an empirical answer to your question exists. I think it is preferable for the creators of this question to have it simply exist in space in order to continue the work that Rove and his merry men started to divide and conquer our collective American soul.

"Military Tribunals vs. Criminal Trials: A Different Perspective"
by Bret E. Brooks
March 30, 2010
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GreshamGuy
Always ask, WWCAD?
11:51 AM on 05/11/2010
They want to frame it as a war because it's easier to manipulate the public and avoid accountability if you can ignore the rule of law.

This is about a variety of organized crime, not about war. Al Qaeda is never as organized as the Mafia, though - the only aim they have is to make a big splash (and our media will oblige, gladly.)
BrighterStar
Let Freedom Ring
11:46 AM on 05/11/2010
I think the argument is that the military has the ability to control the proceedings and the participants in such a way as to limit the ability of the terrorists to use the proceedings for their own evil purposes.
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shel3364
11:44 AM on 05/11/2010
So has anybody shown where a suspected terrorist, having been read their rights, clammed up?? Maybe I've missed it on the news, but I keep hearing that once they get goin', they don't want to shut up.


Personally, I like living in a land of laws. Laws that aren't bent depending on the crime. It's a very dangerous precedent.
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LauraNo
11:39 AM on 05/11/2010
Has India, Spain, England, Canada changed their constitutions over fear of 'terrorists'? Why are we such wimps? It is embarrassing. Did Ireland when they had nearly daily bombings? Yes the republicans use these issues for political gain but why does it work? We are a nation of chicken-chits.I truly am embarrassed for us.
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LauraNo
11:29 AM on 05/11/2010
Why? Because the kooks think it sounds more like a real war than it would if they were tried the way they've always been tried. They (the kooks) are on a mission to frame this as a real war whether it is or not. Weirdos.
09:55 AM on 05/11/2010
"...it's what separates us..."


I'm not entirely convinced, Steven, you should be telling lizard-brains their humanity might be as close as Miranda Rights and a stack of Chomsky videos...

It just feeds their already outrageous delusions of grandeur, and those aspirations of someday amounting to crap.
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
08:50 AM on 05/11/2010
It's simple: gops don't believe that 9/11 was a crime because it happened in blue states.