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Replacing Joe Biden: Time for President Obama to Bite the Bullet?

Posted: 10/14/11 12:57 PM ET

It's still just a loud whispering campaign. But with President Obama tanking in the polls, and House Republicans running roughshod over what's left of his liberal agenda, there are persistent calls for Obama to do something dramatic to salvage his presidency. And with no one willing to challenge Obama for the nomination -- not with his near-dominance of the party, and the decent odds he still has of winning in 2012 -- talk of "change at the top" has shifted to the vice presidency.

Should Joe Biden, for the good of the party, stand down, and allow a younger, more dynamic candidate with a real presidential future -- Biden's about to turn 69 -- take his place?

The new rumor campaign surrounding the future of Team Obama is quite different from the one that erupted in the aftermath of last November's mid-terms, when there was talk that Biden would take the State department slot, and its current occupant, Hillary Clinton, who'd always wanted the vice presidency, would resign and take his place. Clinton, it was argued, could help the struggling Obama shore up his sagging poll numbers with women, Latinos, and seniors, and also help him better defend health care reform, a Clinton bailiwick.

The White House and Clinton shot those rumors down, of course, but no one's quite given up on the idea. Witness the renewed speculation that occurred after Biden's high-level trip to China six weeks ago. Some described it as a possible trial balloon -- or even a warm-up -- for his eventual transition to State. But the trip was quickly marred by an early basketball controversy, and Biden's well-known penchant for a gaffe -- incredibly, he seemed to be endorsing China's one-child policy. For now, that's probably dashed whatever lingering hope there still was among Clintonistas for a fabled "switcheroo" with Hillary.

But apparently, it's also made discussions of Biden's departure more urgent than ever. A number of influential Democrats, and even some top Republican Democrat-watchers, say they're seeing real movement. One of those Democrats is Willie Brown, the former powerful head of the California State Assembly and Mayor of San Francisco, who's considered a major party insider. Brown, and now others, say that Obama is considering replacing Biden with New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a liberal firebrand, and the state's former attorney general, who demolished a Tea party candidate last November, and who's now one of the most popular state chief executives in the country, with just 19% of New York voters saying they disapprove of his leadership, according to a recent poll.

Cuomo , who served as President Clinton's HUD secretary, and whose father Mario was once a popular NY governor and a leading presidential aspirant himself has emerged as a mediator of sorts in the rabid deficit-cutting, anti-union frenzy that's sweeping the nation and embroiling GOP governors in huge controversies elsewhere -- most notably, in Wisconsin and Ohio, battleground states that Obama won in 2008 and can't afford to lose next year. By successfully concluding a deal with the unions that averted a showdown, but demonstrating real fiscal "toughness," Cuomo seems like just the kind of man Obama needs at his side to brave the storm of what promises to be a fiercely ideological re-election battle with the right that leaves the all-important indies, who want nothing more than effective bipartisan problem-solving, trapped on a see-saw.

Cuomo, unlike his Republican counterparts, didn't threaten to take away the collective bargaining rights of his state's public sector unions, but he did play tough, threatening massive lay-offs unless the unions came to the table. And once there, he managed to convince them to increase their percentage contribution to their health care and retirement plans while receiving virtually no pay increases for the next five years. After testy exchanges, and a near breakdown in the talks, both sides ended up concluding a deal, and Cuomo has come out smelling like a rose.

And the polls speak loud: while a large and growing number of Republican governors have approval ratings in the 30s -- Rick Scott's approval in Florida has actually been in the 20s -- Cuomo's are still in the 60s. And it's not just Democrats. 61% of New York's independent voters -- and even 53% of the state's Republicans -- support his leadership, striking numbers for a man who's an unabashed supporter of gay marriage, immigration, and the environment, and an indication of just how difficult Cuomo may be for the right to pigeonhole.

Of course, some would argue that contemplating such a radical change in "Team Obama" is tantamount to a public admission of defeat -- and will be viewed as a transparent attempt to conceal the administration's policy failures through a mere change of personnel. But others say coupled with series of new initiatives, especially the president's new jobs package, a targeted shake-up of this sort is eminently "saleable." Obama's not contemplating what Jimmy Carter did, a public firing of his entire cabinet, a move that only demoralized Democrats and led to a further drop in his public standing. Though it's rare, there are certainly precedents for a president to replace his VP, and Biden, pushing 70, could plausibly claim the all-too-familiar "family" or "health" concerns as justification, or could simply announce that he's stepping down to let Democrats groom a younger and more viable presidential successor, a problem that's plagued two-term incumbents for years.

Officially, Cuomo's team is still tight-lipped about the recurring rumors about their boss. Could it be the Cuomo family disease? His father flirted with a presidential bid for a decade, but could never seem to commit to running, despite the strong urgings of his party. The younger Cuomo reportedly is considering a run of his own for the presidency in 2016, whether Obama wins or loses in 2012. But if Obama's poll numbers continue to slide, don't be surprised if he tries to remind the New York governor that the time for change is now.

 
It's still just a loud whispering campaign. But with President Obama tanking in the polls, and House Republicans running roughshod over what's left of his liberal agenda, there are persistent calls f...
It's still just a loud whispering campaign. But with President Obama tanking in the polls, and House Republicans running roughshod over what's left of his liberal agenda, there are persistent calls f...
 
 
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11:34 AM on 10/23/2011
no hes doing a good job. get over it republicans.
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04:39 AM on 10/24/2011
LOL!
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Tribal Knowledge
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
07:44 PM on 10/21/2011
Biden is floating the idea today of a run himself for Pres in 2016.
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12:54 PM on 10/19/2011
If Obama wants to appease the left a smart move would be to select Bernie Sanders as his running mate. Of course maybe that wouldn't be so smart since it would probably mean defeat Nov. 2012.
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04:50 AM on 10/24/2011
The only good man on the left, is Dennis Kucinich, from Ohio. Dennis and I go way back (over 15 years), as he's really helped a dear friend of mine, who has a brainstem tumor. Knowing him behind the scenes and in the spotlight, I must say that Dennis is one heck of an honest man. He grew up on the streets of Cleveland, living out of a station wagon, taking care of several brothers and sisters. He rose to become the mayor of Cleveland and then, on to Washington. That reminds me, Dennis may move out to Washington or Oreagon, since his district may get re-drawn and he'll be sure to loose his seat in Congress. I'd hate to see him leave Ohio, but it would keep him in US Government. I'm a Republican, but I do respect an honest man.
06:50 PM on 10/30/2011
YOU GOT MY VOTE ON THAT MIKE!!!!
12:12 PM on 10/17/2011
While President Obama is on track for a second term, Democrats need a big victory, not a squeaker, in 2012 in order to carry the House and a filibuster-proof Senate and thus assure programs to move the nation towards prosperity once again.

A tall order.

But not impossible.

It'll be the top of the ticket that determines how BIG the win.

And in that respect, there is only ONE combination that can do it.

My choice:

Barack Obama for President

Hillary Clinton for Vice President.

The Democrats MIGHTIEST one-two punch.

And I am confident Mrs. Clinton will accept the call when it comes.

OBAMA-CLINTON 2012.

Count on it.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
12:06 PM on 10/17/2011
Obama needs to change his Chief Of Staff and get rid of Geithner, as well as any other Republicans or Blue Dog Staffers he has hanging around. Biden, despite the gafts, is known as an intelligent, honorable, and trusted person. There are very few like him in Washington and cutting him from the ticket would be a huge mistake,
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
11:52 AM on 10/17/2011
This idea helps no one.
The Obama/Biden team has not been a problem.
In fact, they have a great deal of respect for one another and a strong chemistry.
Plus, Biden has experience in Congress which no other politician can claim.
Leave them intact.
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Now my micro-bio is not empty.
10:19 AM on 10/17/2011
I disagree here: "the all-important indies, who want nothing more than effective bipartisan problem-solving..."

This screwed up thinking has let the Democratic party slide toward the right for years. The indies, are not a bunch of well informed citizens wishing for answers halfway between the parties. What they are, is poorly informed or unmotivated voters. They either never cared about politics, or have been so discouraged by the process that they have given up.

The right constantly and confidently makes their case, albeit a distasteful one, and the left claims to stake out a position much more palatable, but then never actually forcefully fights for their position. That leave the indies with no clear choice. Every time the left waffles, it gives the impression to the indies that the left does not really believe in their positions.

Granted, Cuomo may be a good choice to groom for 2016, but neither he nor Obama will be the Whitehouse for the next term if Obama does not start 'making the case' for the kind of positions he ran on in 2008. And at this point, fiery speeches alone aren't going to cut in, he is going to have to learn to play real hardball politics in Washington. If Obama actually fights for strong progressive policies, and forcefully makes his case for them, the indies will be swayed to his side.

The point is not to go to the indies, but to convince them to come to you.
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
04:22 PM on 10/18/2011
Obama has done well at accomplishing what he promised in 2008.

The problem is not presidential leadership, it's too many republicans in congress.
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suzc
Speak the Truth, even if your voice shakes
10:18 AM on 10/17/2011
Joe and Jill Biden are among the few GOOD things about DC politics!
Michelle Obama is another.
Bernie Sanders.
Anybody else?
No?

Biden has been a good, honest, solid, hard-working VP.

You want a Young Gun? Like who? Eric Cantor? I don't think so.

Meanwhile, all Obama has to do is act like the campaign-Obama instead of the early-naive-Rahm Obama. There's still time. Like maybe push hard on the jobs bill. Talk about how Republicans watered down financial and health reform. Give an inspiring talk like yesterday at the MLK dedication. You know, be the guy people actually voted for instead of the DC clone.
10:05 AM on 10/17/2011
There's simply no reason to replace Biden. He's been a very good VP. Whether he runs next year or not, he's not going to challenge President Romney in 2016.

What I'm hoping is that the Democrats will start the 2014 mid-term and 2016 presidential campaigns on November 7, 2012, before the ink is dry on the newspapers announcing Romney's win, like the Republicans did three years ago. Somehow I doubt they will.
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
04:24 PM on 10/18/2011
I can't imagine my President wearing magic undiepants and running around in flip flops all day.
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john whalen
08:13 AM on 10/22/2011
Do you hear the stuff that comes out of that guys mouth?
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Elbrando
The dream shall never die - Ted Kennedy
09:31 AM on 10/17/2011
It would be suicide for Obama to actively replace Biden with Cuomo. Many senior citizens could see this as ageism. It could also be seen as Obama lacking faith in his cabinet. Biden would have to want to step down and be seen as wanting to. Only then could Obama "reluctantly" accept the resignation and find another candidate.
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
04:25 PM on 10/18/2011
If it happened, that's the way it would. Biden would retire of his on accord or that would be the story.
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Nighthawlk
09:21 AM on 10/17/2011
As far as I am concerned he has been the ideal vice president. He is silent until Obama wants him to make noise. He never attempts to outshine Obama. He is always behind the scenes doing everything Obama needs him to do and we don't know what he has to do, where he has to travel to hour many hours of sleep, or how many times he has to suffer jet lag. but... in order to win, we must, in my opinion, shake the entire tree until all the old apples fall because the have worms. Voters see a nice juicy red apple. After a few bites, they taste and see the worm. They don't keep eating it; they throw it away and pick another one. But this time they examine that apple more closely or go to another tree. New Younger apples, same tastes and looks better because it stands out and shines in a bucket of Granny Smith Apples.
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notadumbblonde
Strong and independent
09:05 AM on 10/17/2011
Why settle for VP, then; with accolades such as described for Cuomo, he should run for P.
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
04:25 PM on 10/18/2011
Because we already have a great P
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robert horwitz
08:36 AM on 10/17/2011
To preface what I am going to say I have always had the greatest respect for Joe Biden. He is a great speaker, knowledgeable and as far as I can tell his heart has always been in the right place. I still miss him in the Senate. The truth is though when one becomes VP it is very tough to be yourself. Since Joe became VP he just hasn't been himself. Also like me he is no kid anymore. He just plain looks tuckered out most of the time. As sorry as I would be to see him retire from politics or to take on the impossible task of Secretary of State just like it was nice to see the televised last concert of Frank Sinatra it was pretty obvious he just couldn't hit those high notes anymore. It's not just for politicians but for anyone who really loves what they do and are really good at it in their professional lives. The hardest thing to do is hang out that (Gone Fishing) sign.
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FireThemAll2012
I'm also the 53%
07:46 AM on 10/17/2011
How about the Democratic party biting the bullet and replacing Obama? He's not gonna win, everyone knows it. Its why every Republican and their grandmother is running, its gonna be an easy win and everyone wants their shot at him.
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10:24 AM on 10/17/2011
In your dreams. Yeah, everyone in the Republican party is running, but it's actually a money scheme: ask Sarah.
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FanciullaDiMiele
Step1:Separate religion from the US Constitution.
01:13 PM on 10/18/2011
Fanned & Favored
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
12:24 PM on 10/17/2011
There are not that many insane voters in America.