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The Origins and Ownership of Yoga

Posted: 12/ 3/2010 7:20 am

Of course no one owns yoga. Nor do you have to be Hindu to practice and benefit from yoga. Pretty obvious one would think, but not so for the many perturbed Western yogis who have entered the now global debate that the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) started about the Hindu origins of yoga. A letter to the editor of Yoga Journal, a scholarly position paper, the blog battle between HAF's Aseem Shukla and Deepak Chopra on the Washington Post's On Faith and one New York Times front-page story later, folks still don't get that it's not at all about ownership, but about origins. It's not about branding, but about acknowledgement. It's not about conversion, but about self realization. It's about understanding that yoga is but one of Hinduism's great contributions to humanity.

Perhaps some of the confusion is a result of the many ingredients of our modern lives -- mass marketing, crass consumerism, the worldwide Web and a Twitter-soundbite culture. It's a toxic cocktail that can lead to quick and faulty conclusions. But luckily there is an antidote -- directly from the source, which is HAF in this case.

"Take Back Yoga" is only the first half of HAF's campaign slogan, and the phrase may very well mislead one to conclude that HAF is asserting proprietorship. But a quick trip to HAF's website reveals the complete title of the campaign, "Take Back Yoga -- Bringing to Light Yoga's Hindu Roots," and also the campaign's history, purpose and catalyst.

It started back in 2008, with the Yoga Journal. The summer issue was not particularly different from any other -- the mantra of the month, the sacred Hindu symbol, Om, sprinkled throughout the magazine, advertisements for products like bottom-shaping yoga pants and sticky yoga toe socks, and, of course, feature articles offering advice, insight and wisdom on yoga. What we did not find, however, was any reference to Hinduism. In fact, Buddhism, Christianity and Judaism were more overtly associated with the discipline.

It was as if the Yoga Journal, as well as much of the $6 billion yoga industry, had agreed to some sort of unwritten covenant to use code words rather than what they deemed the unmarketable "H-word." Vedic, yogic, Sanskritic, ancient Indian and Eastern were the pseudonyms of choice to source key elements of Hindu teachings: bhakti, karma and moksha, even the Bhagavad Gita, one of Hinduism's most revered scriptures.

After writing a letter to the editor, HAF's suspicions were confirmed when, during a follow up phone call, the young woman answering said, "Yeah, they [the editors] probably avoid it [Hinduism]. Hinduism does, like, you know, have a lot of baggage." Really? Hinduism has baggage and the world's other religions don't?

As an advocacy group seeking to provide a progressive Hindu American voice and to promote a better understanding of Hinduism, we were compelled to act. And so started a quest to bring awareness to the Hindu roots of yoga and, in turn, gain acknowledgement of yoga as one of Hinduism's great gifts. Hindus across America, including my school-aged boys, face ridicule, discrimination and uninvited proseltyization as a result of caricature, misinformation and false judgment about our "religion." Idol worshipper, cows, caste, dowry, many gods (lower case "g") -- these are the terms that more commonly define Hinduism in Western popular culture. Thanks to Deepak Chopra, we can add "one-eyed" and "tribal" to the list too. At the same time, 15 million Americans, from all religions and no religion, are turning to the power and healing benefits of yoga; some are even going beyond the physical to study Vedanta and the Gita or other "yogic" texts.

Deepak Chopra's take is different, and absolutely wrong -- at least in what he has articulated here on the Huffington Post. He is going beyond delinking yoga from Hinduism; he is actually proffering to delink the Vedas from Hinduism! Even America's sixth grade social studies textbooks, flawed as they are, accurately state that the Vedas are Hinduism's holiest scriptures. And Chopra's argument that Shiva cults preceded Hinduism? Well, that is as baffling an argument as would be to hold that the Buddha's eightfold path preceded Buddhism as the Buddha cult was not yet a formalized religion.

Sadly, instead of using his position of influence to foster understanding of Hindu traditions, Chopra too has succumbed to the H-word aversion. He did not celebrate the Hindu origins of Transcendental Meditation as its spokesman, just as his New Age avatar repackages Vedic (read: Hindu) philosophy for empire profits. He writes books on Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed and then specifies to Larry King that he is not a Hindu but an Advaita Vedantin (Advaita Vedanta is one of the most influential schools of Hindu philosophy). See a pattern of denial here?

Chopra is not alone though -- there have been many a Hindu guru in the last century, who in their desire to share that which they believed could enrich others, that which could be articulated in universal, SBNR (spiritual but not religious) terms, or that which could generate a pretty penny, have opted out of using the term Hindu. But call it what you may, Sanatana Dharma, Vedic traditions and Hinduism are synonymous. Hindus have long self-referred to our way of life as Sanatana Dharma -- the Eternal Law or Way which has no beginning and no end in history. And while "Hindu" may be the 12th century Persian abstraction referring to the Indic civilization existing on the banks of the Indus river, the diverse followers of Sanatana Dharma include those who accept the sanctity of the Vedas and other Hindu scripture. They believe in an all-pervasive formless or formed Divine; they believe in the laws of karma, dharma and reincarnation; they tread the various yoga paths (jnana, raja, karma or bhakti); and they accept that the ultimate goal of existence is enlightenment (moksha).

Dr. Chopra is absolutely correct in affirming that Yoga is ultimately about achieving enlightenment. But to profiteering yogis such as he, please remember that on the road to moksha there are still the signposts of satya (truthfulness), asteya (non-stealing) and aparigraha (abstention from greed) guiding the way.

 
Of course no one owns yoga. Nor do you have to be Hindu to practice and benefit from yoga. Pretty obvious one would think, but not so for the many perturbed Western yogis who have entered the now gl...
Of course no one owns yoga. Nor do you have to be Hindu to practice and benefit from yoga. Pretty obvious one would think, but not so for the many perturbed Western yogis who have entered the now gl...
 
 
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09:19 PM on 12/28/2010
http://www.yogaunveiled.com/index.htm
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07:10 AM on 12/28/2010
You are mixing up the logic. "Vedas are Hinduism's holiest scriptures" does not prove that Yoga is Hindu origin. Yoga has Vedic origins. And if Hindus call Vedas "holiest scriptures" - that is good for them. But Veda as such is Universal Knowledge that is valid and effective and applicable to all people irrespective of their religion. Whether Hindu, Moslem, Christian or whatever, everyone can practice yoga, meditation, Ayurveda, Sanskrit etc. etc. and derive huge benefits without changing or being concerned with religion. VEDA means KNOWLEGDE, not faith. Therefore Yoga, Veda does not belong to Hinduism but to all all people.
Yes, the mankind is eternally indebted to India and the Brahmin Family traditions who over milleniums have maintained the purity of Vedic Recitations and Vedic Knowledge. Without them long time ago Ayurveda, Jyotish (Vedic Astrology), Sthapatya Veda (Vedic Architecture), etc. etc. would have been lost. Thank you, India! Thank you Veda Bhumi, Deva Bhumi, Purna Bhumi - Bhârat.
11:16 PM on 12/18/2010
As a guy who practices Kriya yoga I can say that it's the most important thing I learned in my spiritual studies over the years. The Gita, I consider one of the holiest of the holy texts. Beautiful in laying out the God drama within us all.
12:45 PM on 01/07/2011
gita contains everything all guidelines to be happy materially, culturally and last but not least spiritually, finally preparing ourselves for returning back with freshness full as child more innocent and dynamic, unending (anant) cycle , say fun of life
02:08 AM on 12/14/2010
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Sanatana Dharma is a huge unlimited buffet of delicacies, but West has only a small mouth and a broken digestive system. West will superficially understand a word or concept, never bothering to go deeper, and almost immediately will start abusing the word.

Avatar: West now seems to think, Avatar refers to a personalized logo that shows up alongside your online user name, or a robot/program "brought to life" by plugging it into the gamers brain. There is a proper Sanskrit term for the latter, if only West cares to learn something from the original sources (Hint: VikramAditya).

Ms. Shukla, as a representative you have a great responsibility, which could be a big burden. Words and their proper meaning are very important when trying to communicate ideas across different cultures. Please handle them carefully, if not you will be mistaken for a 'pundit'*.

*Pundit - My sincere apologies to the great pundits of India. But today in the west pundit is a derogatory reference to one who talks a lot without knowing much.

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02:07 AM on 12/14/2010
Ms. Shukla, This is a nice follow-up to Rajiv Malhotra's posting from last month.

As a lifelong devotee and admirer of India and Her great heritage, I wanted to send out a word of caution to you about certain word usage. I hope you will take this as positive feedback from a friend. You have used the word Yogi very carelessly. Can we use the word Yogi to describe anyone who signs up for a yoga class? Think about it. Who is a Yogi? Who is a Guru? Who is a Pundit? These words, titles, are to be treated with care and great respect. For example, we recognize Mahatma Gandhi as a great Karma Yogi. Is it appropriate to use the word Yogi to address anyone who signs up for a yoga session? You have just went along with the western appropriation of that honorable word. Of late, I have seen Yogi being abused all over the internet, on blogs, social networks, and new sites like MeetUp.com, where yoga teachers communicate with their "yogi" students: Hi Yogis, blah blah. Namaste!   - It is important to start a dialog with such yoga teachers and bloggers and stop this misuse.

Over the years West has imported some Sanskrit words as-is and it usually turns them into cliches, or worse - they will be used mainly for derogatory references. The words ultimately loose their original meaning and purpose. Examples: Avatar, Karma, Kundalini, Pundit, Tantra, Yoga etc.
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08:29 PM on 12/11/2010
The rest of the world should take note: No more respecting patents or copyright of stuff invented by Americans. What is the difference between Chinese Food or Yoga and Microsoft Word? All are just "ideas" right?
08:18 PM on 12/11/2010
The confusion is between yoga and hatha yoga. Yoga is union and there are many types - Jana, Mantra, Karma, Raja, kriya, Laya among others. Yoga in America is thought of as the postures / asanas of hatha yoga. This type aids in the integration of the astral / emotional body with the physical. It has been indicated that it was introduced during earlier Atlantean times, or millions of years ago. Other types came later as humanity evolved.

In the book Maitreya's Mission volume 3 the following question regarding hatha yoga was posed:
Q. Some believe that the practice of asanas in Hatha Yoga is potentially dangerous due to crystallization of the subtler bodies and sudden changes in the glands, nervous system and blood.
What is your view on this matter? Should one avoid the practice?
A. Hatha Yoga is tremendously old — the most ancient of all Yogas.
For modern disciples (after the first initiation has been taken) it represents a lower (and potentially more dangerous) path. This is especially true for disciples in occidental bodies.
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05:29 AM on 12/11/2010
Yoga great exercise -- helps both the body and mind! That's it! Yoga enlightenment? Nonsense! No exercise can provide that! Enlightenment comes from the study of God's Word the Bible; and acceptance of the shed blood of our Christ! Most faiths suffocate the word of God with their false doctrines and fear mongering, i.e., Christians faiths included! Love of God Almighty with one's heart and soul, and loving thy neighbor like thyself is enlightenment! Both are one to find enlightenment! Try it!
07:31 AM on 12/11/2010
The word Yoga doesn't just refer to a group of exercises, but to a whole philosophical system first expounded on by Patanjali in the 4th century BC. The exercises, or astanas (poses) that make up Yoga can be practiced without contradicting your faith, but are also important to Yoga practitioners that practice other aspects of Yoga philosophy, which is considered a subset of Hinduism. So there is Yoga the Hindu sect (for lack of a better term), and there is Yoga the exercise. Really, yoga-as-exercise should probably be called Asthana ("pose").
02:17 PM on 12/11/2010
@neil - by the way - you again show up your ignorance in indic traditions even in historic time lines - Patanjali's yoga sutra was written in 2nd century of the so called B.C. of your timescales. not 4th century - just gulped down 200 yeas in one shot.. cool dude.. way to go... by the way I am sure you would be knowing who were the founding fathers of america and the exact date they landed on the cost of Caribbean...and also 'astanas' is not poses - its 'Asanas' - 'astanas' are places of leadership or governance ( its used in a wider sense to represent many places of learning, school, university, etc.,).
You are bringing a new concoction of your own neil - cool - keep it to yourself...
'yoga the hindu sect' and 'yoga the exercise' - precisely what the 'christian yoga' group are trying their best to copy...may I know who gave you the authority over patanjali's yoga sutra to make this split?
might be your 'Asthana' could one day come to replace 'Yoga' - all the best..
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10:09 AM on 12/11/2010
Dude, this discussion is about Hinduism, the religion of a billion people, not your sect of Christianity.
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11:23 AM on 12/11/2010
Sorry dude - this is article is about "discernment and finding God" -- misguided and cloaked with intellectual nonsense!
12:23 PM on 12/10/2010
Thansk for this article. As a secular hindu and american citizen, I have always had a puzzled feeling when reading or interacting with the american yoga movement. All of the terminology has been taken from hinduism - but you will never find the word hindu in their materials!!

As you point out, this has nothing to do with "asserting control"; it just has to do with appropriate credit and historical literacy. The striking thing about the whole controversy, is the extreme reaction of the american yoga community. The kind of words used and accusation that this is a "extremist hindu movement" is certainly a shock to me. The american yoga movement should
introspect and ask itself whether its attitudes are consistent with the practice of yoga!!

Imagine if I began to take a day of rest on Sunday or Saturday. I also began to read certain christian or jewish scrptures on those days. But I keep insisting this is "middle-eastern wisdom"!! It has nothing to do with jews or christians!! It would be considered funny and a bit absurd. But this is roughly what the american yoga movement is currently doing.
07:32 AM on 12/11/2010
This much I can agree with...
02:08 PM on 12/11/2010
@citizendude - but the same sunday or saturday I also study the same christian and jewish scriptures - I see that there is no acknowledgement page and put up my own name there and take a patent.
now I ask you to pay a price for reading it as the patent of book is in my name.. what will you do???

Thats what is happening to Yoga in the name of 'Christian Yoga' with a $30 tag on it.
10:34 AM on 12/10/2010
I do agree that it would be useful for self-professed Hindus to learn more about their tradition and history. There may be people with whom the vedic rituals resonate and there may be those who follow the more philosphical approach set forth in the Upanishads. There may be those who continue to inter-mix the various traditions for different aspects of their life.

I think there is a lot of value to exploring one's religious tradition and other traditions and consciously determining what values resonate. There are no doubt less resources in the West compared to the other traditions but I think it is worth making the effort.

I'd also hope individuals exploring Hinduism or their own tradition might consider how the prevailing power structure in a particular environment helps to define, legitimize and invalidate specific religious traditions or beliefs. Why, for example, do many Muslim representatives in "the West" stress their shared religious underpinnings with Judaism and Christianity, while many Muslim representatives in Muslim majority countries draw distinctions between the traditions? When did the West decide it was founded on Judeo-Christian, as opposed to Christian, values? Why is worshipping a statue of Ganesh in your house icky idolatry but taking offence at someone burning bound sheets of paper with various ink markings containing the "word of God" considered justifiable provocation such that the President of one of the world's most powerful nations feels the need to comment on it?
09:49 AM on 12/10/2010
Neil, I can certainly see how Hinduism shares, and has no doubt borrowed, elements with and from other religious traditions. I can also see that many self-professed adherents of Hinduism practice the religion differently and that individuals may also practice tenets that appear to be inherently contradictory (e.g. bhakti movements in Vedic temples). I get the sense that you somehow believe that this invalidates Hinduism as compared to other religious traditions. If so, then I disagree that this somehow means there is no such thing as Hinduism but a collection of self-contained philosophies. Using your same logic, the so called Big3 don't exist either. Shared theological underpinnings? Goodbye Islam--Judaism did it first. Contradictory positions amongst self-professed adherents? I trust that we don't have to get into that whole Reformation matter--it just kills the party mood. Cherry-picking of potentially contradictory beliefs by individual adherents? I will tell my self-professed Muslim co-worker that he has to pick fasting for Ramadan or having a beer after work and admitting that he's ahem, reverted to Chrisitanity. And really? Bhakti in vedic temples is a death blow to Hinduism as a concept but preaching sermons about needing to convert the heathen idol-worshippers whilst a statue of Christ the Redeemer looks on passes the religious litmus test?

I don't think it is wise to accept that a "true religion" can only be one that attempts to discredit theological evolution and diversity as heresy.
01:22 PM on 12/10/2010
'I can certainly see how Hinduism shares, and has no doubt borrowed, elements with and from other religious traditions­' - just curious - may I know what has Hinduism borrowed elements from other religious traditions?
07:16 AM on 12/11/2010
Bhakti is a form of Hinduism that rejected the direct worship of murtis. I'm not making any value-judgements, just stating facts. Bhakti style devotion in a temple is like veneration of saints in a lutheran church-contradictory. I never said anything about a death blow to Hinduism, I'm talking about people ignoring the intellectual foundations of Hindu thought by a) bringing it away from its reflective strains that try to understand the nature of reality in a metaphysical sense, and more towards something a lot LIKE evangelical christianity, with emphasis on sermons and devotion to the Lord (which is okay, if that's what resonates with you personally) and b) integrating ideologically opposite strains of belief, ignorant that these strains are ideologically opposed in the first place (like bhakti with murtis). Also, by pointing out all these different ways people define Hinduism, I'm not trying to invalidate it. Not at all! I'm saying too many people speak for us Hindus (note the "us") without understanding what the corpus of scriptures and belief that are collectively called "Hindu" truly represents. If they did understand, they would realize that Hinduism in sum is actually several religions,each distinct in very important ways. Nyaya-astika rejects most scriptures. These are important distinctions, and need to be studied. But even the most devote Hindus hardly even know what an astika IS. How can any individual or organization claim to speak for Hinduism do so without an awareness of what the category includes?
07:46 AM on 12/11/2010
deVOUT. Even the most devout Hindus*
08:17 PM on 12/11/2010
@neil - 'But even the most devote Hindus hardly even know what an astika IS. How can any individual or organizati­on claim to speak for Hinduism do so without an awareness of what the category includes?' and may I know, how many hindus you have personally interviewed, sitting in your posh house in NY or CA and making these statements?
You could only release statements with facts that you have.. you are releasing statements based on your judgement.
Then put up a disclaimer.. that these are according to my opinion..
Do not give out loose talks - they make your stand even more unfortunate.
If you want to be with "us" - you first need to know "us" - and start at wikipedia first to know about hinduism and its various branches - thats a good place to start rather than trusting LSD gurus and other bogus internet mishmash stories.
By the way, bhakthi towards god and veneration of saints are no where equal.
You are trying to equate infinity with fraction.
07:41 AM on 12/10/2010
What we practice as Indian-American "Hindus" is a mishmash of practices that often contradict one another ideologically (i.e. Bhakti in temples sanctioned by priests? confusing!), a product of middle- and upper-middle class Hindus in India trying to reconcile Victorian mores with nominal Hinduism. So what does that leave us with in terms of religious practice? Some rituals, daily prayer, songs like the Hanuman Chalisa, and the Gita. Oh, and a couple relatively modern "evangelical" strains like ISKON, Swadhyay, and Swaminaryan (high on faith and low on philosophy) High "Hindu" philosophy is only alluded to when our beliefs are under attack externally, but are rarely reflected in day-to-day practice. Can't people who represent "Hindus" at least take the time to study the HISTORY of our intellectual traditions? What was mainstream? What was a reaction to Brahmanical orthodoxy? How does Vedic "scripture" relate to thought outlined in the Brahmanas and Upanishads? Honestly, I believe we should move AWAY from the "Hindu" label and treat different Indian philosophies as the self-contained units they are, including, yes, Yoga, which technically IS a religion unto itself.
01:30 PM on 12/10/2010
@Neil-'What we practice as Indian-Ame­rican "Hindus" is a mishmash of practices that often contradict one another ideologica­lly (i.e. Bhakti in temples sanctioned by priests? confusing!­),' - you are one of the ABCD ( American Born Confused Desi ) - that's why you see Bhakthi to be something sanctioned by priest - for that matter a 'preist' of any hindu temple has no sanctioning authority on anything - he could only guide others quoting points from vedas/upanishads and puranas - but could not issue a 'fathwa'.
'a product of middle- and upper-midd­le class Hindus in India trying to reconcile Victorian mores with nominal Hinduism.' - May I know what is victorian morales in nominal hinduism? - is there a church coir of 'hanuman chalisa'? or do you mean to say as song itself was 'borrowed' and was not there in Indic traditions?
Bhagavat Gita itself is complete and enough for any individual to achieve his destined needs be it anything less or greater moral in life - so what is your base for a 'baseless faith'.
'couple relatively modern "evangelic­al" strains like ISKON, Swadhyay, and Swaminarya­n (high on faith and low on philosophy­)' -Do you realize ISKON, Swadhyay and Swaminarayan have got deep rooted vedic lines running to the periods of founding in India 1000s of years ago? not like 'evangelical' saying that destroying the world will bring them salvation - the hindu strains are steeped in philosophy and dharmic thoughts - please remove your christian glasses.
01:40 PM on 12/10/2010
@neil - 'yes, Yoga, which technicall­y IS a religion unto itself.' - oh yaah.. first know what is a religion from your own Hindu back ground - then could you consider 'Yoga' in technicality to be a religion unto itself.
'Half knowledge is always dangerous' - this is a good place to start if you are a truly motivated Hindu student - http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm#vedas
06:35 AM on 12/11/2010
Yoga is one of six strains of orthodox Hindu thought, but some of these strains actually are atheistic, so instead of coupling them to a monolithic entity termed "Hinduism," I was just suggesting that moving away from there being ONE Hinduism, to many Hinduisms, or Dharmic religions, which have characteristics in common. Victorian mores such as the repression of sexuality, and the emphasis of the Gita, because the ideology of the Gita was seen as the scripture most compatible with certain western values. The Gita is one interpretation of Vedic thought, as are all other Indian religions. (Even if Jains/Buddhists rejected the Vedas, there is still influence, i.e. chanting of mantras). Finally, I take offence to the insinuation that being an American makes me ignorant of my heritage. About bhakti-true bakthas would worship away from visual representations of dieties. Why do we then sing bhajans in mandirs? It is not true to the spirit of bhakti. I never said bhaktas depend on religious interpretation from a priesthood like you are suggesting. Mandirs may be a convenient place for bhaktas to gather, but its rare to see any consideration of the ideals of bhakta in practice, whether in India or in America. Its more like "sing bhajans so x good things can happen," not "sing bhajans to experience oneness with the divine that can be bounded by no mandirs or murtis," as people from the original Tamil shiv-bhaktas to Kabir and Narsi Mehta of later centuries espoused.
07:41 AM on 12/10/2010
Deepak Chopra is, in a sense, right. Defining Hinduism is difficult. Does being Hindu mean you have to worship a particular set of deities? Well, Buddhists share many deities with Hindus such as Indra, Rudra, Varuna, Yama, etc. Does being Hindu mean you believe that everything is an emanation of Brahman as you mentioned, the formless divinity which pervades everything? Well, then you have to ignore strains of "Hindu" thought that forego these concepts. Does being Hindu mean holding the Vedas as the holiest of "books?" Well guess what? Vedic religion is very different from modern Hinduism, and lacks references to Vishnu Shiva and Brahma. Lets see a modern Hindu perform the Ashwamedha sacrifice.
01:47 PM on 12/10/2010
@neil - 'Deepak Chopra is, in a sense, right.' aahaa... gotcha..you are a disciple of 'DC' - no wonder you were confused -
'Well, Buddhists share many deities with Hindus such as Indra, Rudra, Varuna, Yama, etc.' - thats your level of understanding between hinduism and buddhism - both have the same acceptance of karma and dharma as the basis of life - they use the same 'CONCEPTS' ( like Indra, Rudra, Varuna, Yama) to describe day to day principles of Leadership, Anger, Bountifulness and Death - these are personified as deities.
Buddhism differs from Hinduism only in the aspect of acceptance of caste system and acceptance of God - while Buddhism is profoundly Atheist - Hinduism allows both Theistic and Atheistic ideas.
'Does being Hindu mean you believe that everything is an emanation of Brahman as you mentioned, the formless divinity which pervades everything­? ' - If you read books of 'Advaitic vedantins' like DC, this is what you are left with - a christian and hindu mix of divinity as being formless - if God is formless, why did the formless god create form full world? 'Well, then you have to ignore strains of "Hindu" thought that forego these concepts.' - *&%$£" - what are you trying to convey here? 'Does being Hindu mean holding the Vedas as the holiest of "books?"' - of course yes - read my previous post on Hinduism and Vedic civilization meaning one and same - so, if Hinduism is Vedic - then
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02:01 PM on 12/28/2010
And why should DC not be right. He is as right as a Shaiva or Vaishnava or Shâkta, you and Neil. In Hinduism, we do NOT have (and you are not) some inquisition or Pope or a dictator who says: This IS the way and no other. And if you don't follow you will be burnt or tortured (as it happen so many times in the Church). Every opinion, every devata has place in Veda and Vedânta.
Hinduism has its basis in Veda, Yoga is a part of Veda and Vedic Literature, so is everything based on Veda (Total Knowledge).
01:52 PM on 12/10/2010
@neil - 'Well guess what? Vedic religion is very different from modern Hinduism, and lacks references to Vishnu Shiva and Brahma.' - when you cannot even give a valid reason for 'rituals and bhajans' you are singing like 'hanuman chalisa' and 'Gita' - forget that we are going to agree on your synthesis of 'Modern Hinduism' and one that lacks references to 'Vishnu shiva and bramha' -
'Lets see a modern Hindu perform the Ashwamedha sacrifice' - an 'Ashwamedha sacrifice' is performed by a king who is a ruler of land with all powers and wishes to make a commonwealth with other nations around him - in today's sense, India is fully democratic ( or 'Jana Rajya') and hence there are no real Kings of land today - so, where whom do you mean should do 'Ashwamedha Sacrifice'?
Your ideas are covered with many illogical reasoning -
Please read good books from correct authors like 'Bhagavadh Gita as it is' by ISKON by Sri Prabhupadha Swamiji. I could only wish you stay away from the LSD influencing gurus of america who are harming the current generation of american-indian youth with venom like messages for their own self pride and advertisement for more money ( God knows in which hell will those bogus gurus burn in their next life ).
06:49 AM on 12/11/2010
You have completely misunderstood me, and obviously if I cannot communicate with you effectively, then there is no point in carrying this discussion further. I do not want to start a flame war, and out of respect for my culture I'm not going to elucidate my point on the Ashwamedha sacrifice. However, the REAL ashwamedha sacrifice wouldn't be performed by a modern Hindu king even if there was such a thing. Are you familiar with what is actually in the Vedas? Read about the Ashwamedha sacrifice in the Yajurveda. Find a good Hindi translation. Also, I agree with the opinions of Deepak Chopra that were stated IN THIS ARTICLE, not with his philosophy.
11:44 AM on 12/09/2010
"When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous." ~ Albert Einstein

"India was the Motherland of our race and Sanskrit the Mother of Europe's languages.India was the Mother of our Philosophy, of much of our Mathematic's, of the ideals emboded in Christianity ...of Self-Government and Democracy, In many ways Mother India is the Mother of us all.." ~ Will Durant

“Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe combined. India had the start of the whole world in the beginning of things. She had the first civilization; she had the first accumulation of material wealth; she was populous with deep thinkers and subtle intellect; she had mines, and woods, and a fruitful soul." ~ Mark Twain

“I like to think that someone will trace how the deepest thinking of India made its way to Greece and from there to the philosophy of our times.” ~ John Archibald Wheeler

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07:05 PM on 12/08/2010
Only if the HAF includes the following points in its licensing of Yoga, would yoga survive as a gift in its purest form from its origin in Hinduism and Indic roots.
1) To have, in the lines of Yoga, Yoga American Forum which should be governed by HAF and having control over all the Yoga schools in America.
2) To have all Yoga centers licensed under the above institution.
3) The licensing rules to include
a) Yoga teachers to have met a minimum training course for the basic Yoga exercises.
b) Yoga teachers to teach only those that are learnt by them.
c) Any improvisations in Yoga to have the acknowledgement and approval of both the Yoga American Forum as well as HAF.
d) To have constant and regular checks at the Yoga schools to find any violations in rules and regulations - as well as to check the minimum basic requirements of school like the Yoga mats, etc., are clean and hygenic, etc.,
e) To have all the schools distribute a booklet of Yoga with first page acknowledging the gift of Yoga as that of having Hinduism and Indian origin and followed by the life of Patanjali and his contribution - and the sequence of Yoga basic form of exercises mentioned in Yoga Sutra.
f) To have a governing member from the Krishnamacharya Yoga mandram - the original yoga school to test and validate any later modifications of yoga. These will prevent misuse of Yoga.