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Apparently, the Russia-Georgia conflict was the first to break the rule that countries with McDonald's do not go to war.
- tomtaylor about 1181 days ago
Someone wanna explain to me how we are gonna bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO without going to war with Russia?
- MasterRobyn about 1600 days ago
The statements about Russia, Georgia, and avoiding a cold war are contradictory.
- crysthewolf about 1610 days ago
omfg is this part about russia invading georgia for its oil and to intimidate its neighbors a joke? that's a precis of the US war in iraq
- natfriedman about 1926 days ago
I'm covering the former parliament speaker of Georgia tomorrow as she talks about war with Russia. What???
- missprinted about 1947 days ago

Frank Schaeffer: Why Russia Invaded Georgia: Payback Time From the Orthodox World to the West



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- brikar See Profile I'm a Fan of brikar permalink

Now its Americas fault Frank that the rest of the world runs into the arms America.Oh how we Americans forget our short history and when trying to create one we are knocked.But I do remember a little history of russian,along with the chinese jets, bombing Americans in Vetnam, as the French retreated again. So now we try to build a history or remember what they did to our troops there we are to forget .Not quite yet. Our history goes back further than most Americans remember Frank.How about most presidents are trying there best and it always dosent appeal to some people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 08/23/2008
- liberalnfree See Profile I'm a Fan of liberalnfree permalink

So now Kosovo was all about Israel. It had nothing to do with Europe, I suppose. The mere fact that this continent has been the center of US security concerns for a century. Of course, we didn't intervene in Rwanda but we did in former Yugoslavia. Why the difference? It must be about Israel It has nothing to do with the casual racism of valuing European lives more than African ones. No, it all comes back to Israel, the familiar bogey man.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 08/17/2008
- SShaw490 See Profile I'm a Fan of SShaw490 permalink

As much as I admire the scholasticism of this piece, it ignores an essential question, which seems to have been ignored by a lot of people: Specifically, What Happened? Who attacked who? Did Georgia raze the cit of Tskhinvali, as claimed by Gorbechev and Larzov (sp?)? Or did Russia attack the Georgia troops without provocation, and if so, how did Tskhinvali get destroyed.

So far, only the Russian side has stated, unequivically, that they moved against the Georgia forces after Georgia attacked a city in South Ossetia, where Georgia has no territorial claims and certainly no right to attack innocent civilians.

Any speculation about the motives of world leaders has to be preceeded by simply answering; What Happened? What comes before why.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 08/16/2008
- freshnotbitter See Profile I'm a Fan of freshnotbitter permalink


"what comes before why".... No, I disagree. The media will telll you what happened but not why.

The USA was established by religious refugees dedicated to the proposition that the republic could only survive by staying out of European religious wars.

Over time, those zealous for war took over the reins of government for that purpose.

At the moment they are able to call their political opponents "isolationists" although most non militarists in foreign policy today tend to be very commercially active internationally and are not isolationist at all. Indeed, the religious warriors are the ones who have most isolated America with their bad decisions.

Here is a little story for Frank (and Arianna if she is interested). I was born lutheran but grew up in a small south american town where there was no protestant church, only catholic so I enrolled in catholic cathechism. I learned prayers and of course the catholics cross themselves all the time. My first time I crossed myself first on the right shoulder then the left. My cathechism teacher immediately corrected me and I asked her what the difference was since it was a cross either way. She explained that there was a sect of Christians who were in league with the devil and crossed themselves on the right shoulder first. She said if I crossed myself first on the right shoulder, the devil would take my soul.

No, "what happened" in Georgia doesn't matter. International relations are not Tortes 101 at Harvard Law.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 09/01/2008
- Kache See Profile I'm a Fan of Kache permalink

"What Happened" begins with Condi Rice publically stating a couple of weeks ago "We'll fight for our friends" with Saakashvili at her side. The comment was in reference to Georgia's desire to join NATO, something opposed by most NATO members. She meant the the US would fight against it's NATO partners in the politicing over Georgia's application. Saakashvili took it to mean something else.

The history books will probably call this Rice's biggest blunder as Sec of State (there are so many others to chose from....)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 08/17/2008
- richsmith See Profile I'm a Fan of richsmith permalink

Go to the New Yorker site

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/08/25/080825taco_talk_remnick

The essay is a good background article. It describes the matter succinctly. Sequence - 1) Georgia rockets Tskhinvali 2) Georgian troops cross border and reek more havoc in and around Tskhinvali 3) Russian forces move into Ossetia 4) After occupying Ossetia, Russians continue into Georgia.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 08/17/2008
- SensibleJoe See Profile I'm a Fan of SensibleJoe permalink

As an Orthodox Christian, I must protest this mischaracterization of the Russia-Georgia conflict as Orthodox Christian self-defense against an encroaching heterodox West.

Both Russia and Georgia are Orthodox Christian cultures, so this war is not about faith, but about politics, self-determination, geopolitical ambition and international alignment.

Russia cannot pose as a "defender of faith." Atheistic Marxism has fallen and the Church is freer there now, but the wounds of eight decades of religious persecution and forced secularization will not heal overnight. Spiritual and moral recovery after brutal erosion takes time, like the Hebrews wandering the desert for forty years between slavery in Egypt and freedom in the Promised Land.

And as in America nowadays, religious talk in Russia isn"t always religious. Both are misusing religion as cover for political agendas. When pagan persecution ceased and Christianity became respectable in the Roman Empire, many converted merely for social acceptance and advancement. The Church in Russia now faces the same "nominal Christian" dilemma, but Orthodox Christianity is about following Jesus Christ -- not a "replacement ideology" for social cohesion, ethnic identity or political statehood in the vacuum left by communism"s demise there.

An old Russian saying, attributed to Saint Alexander Nevsky, comes to mind in this conflict: "God is not in might, but in right." Would to God that all involved in this conflict took those words to heart!

But please, don't misuse Orthodox Christianity as a pretext for this latest bout of human sinfulness.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 08/14/2008
- richsmith See Profile I'm a Fan of richsmith permalink

I still think there is a point to this article. It may be subtle, but it's there. The countries that, egged on by the meddling of the US, have antagonized Russia are: The Czech Republic, Poland, the Ukraine, and to some degree Hungary with its adverse behavior toward Serbia. The first place the Serbs hit during the latest Balkan war was Vukovar in Slavonia, after Croatia declared itself independent from Yugoslavia. What do all of these countries have in common. They are all Serb, except Hungary. But they are also all Catholic. Having been raised a Catholic, I have been exposed to their animus toward the Eastern Church, especially during the period of the USSR.

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