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Are We Just Moving In or Are We Moving Toward Marriage?

Posted: 07/05/2012 2:00 am

I've told my boyfriend I'm ready. We're beginning the exhausting search for a house so we can move in together. It's taken over three months for me to decide this was the right decision for us, but I've come to the conclusion it is. I'm nervous and scared but very excited. I had planned on having a little talk when I told him yes because I wanted him to understand, that although this is fine for now (more than fine, great even), at some point it won't be enough. As in, eventually, I want to get married. And while living together is all I need now, at some point, resentment for not having more will begin to set in.

So I tried to tell him all this. But I fumbled every word and failed miserably. I didn't want to sound like I was giving him a finite time limit or that at some point I was planning on issuing an ultimatum so instead I beat around the bush and said something about how I see us on a path. I tried to use the word path as a metaphor so many times I wouldn't be surprised if he never wants to take a long walk with me again.

So I only have myself to blame when he responded by saying that although he really enjoyed holding our friend's baby the night before, he wasn't ready for kids yet. "Ay me" under my breath was all I could retort with. We're told as women we can have and do anything we want, and yet when it comes to marriage, we're not supposed to do anything but wait.

Despite the many advancements on women's issues, one thing that remains mostly unchanged is the fact that many women still wait for their boyfriends to ask the big question. Modern feminism has not obviated our taste for chivalry. Perhaps we're attracted to tradition in all things romantic; perhaps it's simply animal instinct as there are more and more biological studies suggesting that males have a primordial instinct to chase a mate and females have a primordial instinct to accept the mate that wins the chase. So putting aside the possibility that we women wait to be asked because we've been marginalized for years by a dominant male population that has chosen mates for us, and assuming we wait to be asked because of our simple acceptance of evolutionary truths, this biological reason for waiting to be asked still puts women in an impossible position. This is the one thing in our lives that we can't do anything about.

If we decide before we get asked that we want to marry the person we're with, we're seen as pushy, overbearing, and as pressuring a man to do something he doesn't want to do. Yet my guess is most men would prefer we think about it beforehand so we don't have to say, "Thanks for asking, but I haven't really thought about it yet. Let me take a few days." So when do we decide? Men get the whole duration of the relationship to consider this. Once they do decide, they ask. Are women really not supposed to make up their minds till that moment? The system we've accepted still seems to imply we should just be grateful someone asked us and be ready to say yes the moment they do.

As loathe as I am to accept this antiquated tradition, no self-respecting woman wants to trick a man who doesn't want to marry her into going through with it. And I meet so many couples where it's an open secret that the girl is pressuring the guy to buy the ring already. People are always maligning these girls behind their backs for issuing the ultimatum and saying, "We've been together for five years, move it or lose it." But I feel bad for them. Aren't women allowed to ask for marriage when they want it too? She's not forcing him to do anything and he always has the option of breaking up with her. And if he does buy the ring at that point all his friends are teasing him for being whipped. Why do we only respect the women who sit primly with their mouths closed, doing nothing, and waiting?

According to standard rules, once I choose to move in with my boyfriend, I'm also expected not to want anything more. But I'd be lying if I said I'm not asking myself if I want to make a more formal commitment -- as in marriage. And if I decide that it is what I want, can I do anything aside from sitting around hoping for it? Can I drop subtle hints without pressuring him? Should I have a conversation called "let's talk about marriage" to ensure I'm open and communicating? Should I tell him that he has a certain amount of time to make up his mind so he knows exactly what to expect from me?

More and more couples are opting out of marriage these days. They move in together, they buy houses, have and raise children, all without getting formally married. For many people, this seems to work fine. But I know I'm not one of these people. I've always wanted to get married. I want the opportunity to pledge my love and devotion to the person I choose to be with, while family and friends bear witness. And I want someone to make that commitment to me. That being said, I'm not in a rush. We've only been dating a little over a year. We're both in periods of transition with our careers. Most of my friends are still single and the few that aren't have just begun to get engaged so I don't feel much social pressure. So for now, in the words of my boyfriend "moving in together just feels like the logical next step." I just haven't figured out how to explain to him, that in my mind, we haven't reached the last step. We still have one more to go.

But what are the words I can use to explain all this without sounding like I'm giving an ultimatum? I just don't know and I'm tempted to leave it alone and not say anything more because I don't want him to make up his mind because of anything I say. I want him to ask me to marry him if and only if he actually wants to marry me, not because he got sick of me asking for it. But if living together goes well, I don't want complacency either.

At this point, I'm simply focused on the moving-in part. I'm excited about creating a new home, about making dinner together in a big kitchen, about coming home to the man I love, and about having my own washer/dryer. For now, this is enough. And I'm resolved not to ask, hint, or suggest in any way that I'm asking for more. Because I'm hoping the moving toward comes sua sponte, without any prompting. Down the road if I start needing more, I'm not sure what I'll do. Maybe that will be the time to start insisting he read my columns...

 

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11:05 AM on 07/10/2012
It's true that in relationships, the "many advancements of women's ideas" don't work. I think this is because we women--rather than respecting the differences between men and women--often refuse the fact that men are different creatures. They do not think like women, and if we are the kind of woman who wants marriage and stability, we are more likely to get marriage and stability when we expect them to act and respond as men. If your boyfriends says BEFORE moving in that he's not ready for marriage and family, take him at his word, break up, mend your heart, and move on.

The odds of an eventual successful, future marriage (with anyone) decrease with cohabitation. Frankly, NOT moving in is a test of whether or not he wants to marry. I'm old-fashioned enough to think that it would have been easier for both of you to know if you wanted to marry if sex was not already a part of the equation, but given your current decision, this male perspective on cohabitation is eye-opening:
http://www.thefrisky.com/2009-10-07/mind-of-man-whatever-you-do-dont-cohabitate/

I don't know how sharing a home and all that that implies (probably doing his laundry and cleaning up after him, etc.) will hold any joy for you without the commitment of marriage. Go for what you really want--marriage--and accept that it's probably not going to be with him.
12:47 AM on 07/09/2012
I'm not going to start by saying "I'm not judging any situation" because, well... I am. But it's not that I think moving in together before you're married necessarily makes you a harlot or that it means your boyfriend is just using you without marrying you... it's more practical than that. Why would you set yourself up for so much insecurity? That is what I've never understood. If I'm going to go through all the work of moving in with someone and starting to build a life with them, I don't want to hold back. I don't want to wonder if this is permanent. I don't want to have to still consider what I'm going to do if it doesn't work out. Why would people want to put themselves through so much uncertainty and added work? I'm not saying people are dumb for moving in with each other before getting married, I just don't understand why you would want to do it. I guess there are financial reasons and reasons of convenience... but I still just don't see them as being worth it. Maybe it's just me.
11:42 AM on 07/07/2012
I can relate lol. My boyfriend and I have been living together for a year. I've told him, someday I'd like marriage for us...so he's aware how I feel..but you don't know how things will progress...what you'll go through and how time can change things. It's important that each person knows what hopes are there for the future, and this is particularly true if you haven't had former marriages and want children (we are older and have both been formerly married and divorced and have children already)
01:13 AM on 07/07/2012
Tonight my girlfriend of 5 years broke up with me. We lived together for 4 of those years. The circumstances that brought us under one roof were more due to necessity than love. I'm frankly ashamed to admit that I had naively hoped that a true and nurturing love would develop over time.

It's fairly apparent to me that the goals for our arrangement were different from the on-set, yet neither of us really elucidated them. For her I believe it was, "one step closer to marriage". For me it was, "let's give this a whirl and see where it ends up."

From my heart I can tell you... put it on the table. Air it all out now. Your guy may a wonderful, noble man who fully intends to steer your shared relationship the same way as you. But you won't know that until you've made him say it, and say it with sincerity.

Think about your decision long-and-hard before moving in together. This event will change the course of your life. Do yourself a favor... Find out what he's thinking. Get him to talk. If he's unwilling or unable then you most certainly will have answered the question of "Are We Just Moving In or Are We Moving Toward Marriage?"
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03:55 PM on 07/06/2012
I think this is a great post, as there are women out there who would love to marry their significant other, but don't speak up because they're trapped in a tradition whose everyday usefulness expired sometime around the beginning of last century.

My advice is to bring it up with him. BEFORE YOU MOVE IN.
You may find out that your expectations are the same and that he will make a commitment to you in the future but that moving in together is just one step along that road.
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You may find out that marriage is not what he ultimately wants.
It may be that if you've delayed this conversation with him, you already know the answer and having it definitively means that you will either need to move on or adjust your expectations, sacrifice your dreams, or lose your dignity to remain with this guy.

And while talking is one thing actions are something else. If you've been dating for a little over a year, and take a couple years to live together, then that's three years with each other. At that point, there isn't any more information you need to judge the direction of the relationship. If he hasn't proposed yet, he probably isn't going to and doesn't want to, but was too afraid of hurting your feelings or losing you to say so. You can gracefully cut ties and find someone who's goals align more closely with your own.
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10:44 AM on 07/06/2012
A HuffPo column seems like, at best, a third-rate way to pop the question.

The time to first discuss marriage is when you're getting to know each other, before you even know whether you're seriously interested in each other. If one person thinks marriage amounts to being locked away in an institution and the definitive text on child-rearing is a one-liner by W. C. Fields, while the other picked out baby names at age 12 and believes marriage is the divinely-ordained destiny that every human either accepts or rejects, it might be advisable for them to know that about each other before they contemplate putting their names on the same mortgage papers.

Marriage isn't about two people making a commitment to each other. It's about two people who are _already_ committed to each other celebrating that commitment and having it formally recognized by their friends, by the local county clerk's office, and by their church if they attend one.
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10:10 AM on 07/06/2012
My boyfriend and I are coming up on our two year anniversary and we already decided awhile back to not move in together unless I had a ring on my finger or, at minimum, made it clear we both wanted to get married in the near future. We had a friend move in with her boyfriend of barely a year into a house HE bought for them. He assumed marriage and kids was the next step, but she didn't make it clear she did not want to marry him and didn't ever want kids. Naturally it blew up, it was awkward and worked out financially not in her favor.

At this point we live in our own apartments with roommates about 5 mins away from each other and it works. We both enjoy our separate space and aren't in any rush. I'm not judging any situation, but I think if you don't/can't have a mature conversation about your future while making a big step, you shouldn't be making it to begin with. I've known my boyfriend for more than four years and knew then and now that he's a bit of a commitment-phobe, but I'm still not afraid to talk about our future. It's hard for him sometimes, but he says it's gotten easier the longer we've been together!.
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04:00 PM on 07/06/2012
My boyfriend and I have made the same decision. I get flack from a few people who say, 'but if you don't live together first, how will you know if you're compatible or not'.
Which is kinda junk. 50% of marriages that begin with the couple living together end in divorce. 50% of marriages that begin with the couple living separately end in divorce. Either way, the odds are pretty even, and we can choose the path that makes us the most comfortable.

Living together isn't key. Communication is key.
09:39 AM on 07/06/2012
I really enjoy this article. it rings so true on so many areas. In my life I have found that moving in with someone has been the death nail to each of those relationships -- part of that due to my cockatoos. So far, I haven't found someone who finds me attractive and can cope with the fact I have birds who live for DECADES and are NON-NEGOIABLE for my life. Upon moving in together, these men have discovered that BIRDS VOCALIZE SOMETIMES, scatter food on the floor, and poop on you! Naturally before moving in, these are the same guys who admire my dedication to the environment, wildlife preservation, and advocacy on behalf of animals -- and tell me how ADORABLE it is when I hug and snuggle my birds. At the same time, I don't want to just live with someone; I want the stability of MARRYING someone and finally being loved and accepted for all that I am -- even my attachment to my birds! Does NO GUY like birds???
08:59 AM on 07/06/2012
Tamara, regarding those "primordial instincts," know that humans don't have instincts. Ask any psychologist or biologist.
12:17 AM on 07/07/2012
Please tell me this is sarcasm?
03:13 AM on 07/07/2012
No, it's science. Like I said, ask any psychologist or biologist.
03:22 AM on 07/07/2012
Let me try to make it more clear: instincts are rather fixed behavioral patterns that an organism cannot override, not easily anyhow. We're talking about complex behaviors here, like building nests for birds. Humans don't have any such complex behaviors that are automatic, not based on any prior learning, and that can be over-riden only in extreme circumstances. I think you would agree. Things like sexual drive or tendencies in mating behaviors are not instincts. They are there but they do not meet the definition of instincts. Humans are much more flexible in their behaviors, and we don't have complex and fixed "programs" for, say, mating behaviors that we cannot change or over-ride.
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08:51 AM on 07/06/2012
My theory is that is you aren't engaged after living together for 6 months, you will not get married. Moving in with a partner should not be taken lightly; it should be taken as a step towards marriage or a lifetime partnership. I will not get married without living with someone first. I have lived with a boyfriend before and I knew within six months whether or not I wanted to get married to him (I didn't). My sister felt the same way (even though they dated for 4 years before moving in together). Now, my sister is getting married in 6 months (she got engaged about 4 months after moving in with her now fiance). My boyfriend and I are moving in together in September; I'm confident we will be engaged by my sister's wedding (no pressure but we have discussed marriage, kids and how to raise them, finances, religion, politics, careers, additional schooling, etc in length and are on the same page). Out of all my friends who have lived with SOs, those engaged within 6 months are now married (or will be next month) and those that weren't are single or in new relationships. If the author's bf doesn't pop the question in 6 months, she should cut her losses and move on.
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12:45 AM on 07/06/2012
I didn't know what to say to him, so I wrote this blog so someone could put the link on his Facebook page.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/the_more_things_change,_the_more_they_stay_the_same
11:08 PM on 07/05/2012
not having more? what more? what would change between living together and being married, aside from having a dumb party and having him contractually obligated to love you? Oh and govt tax breaks. aside from that, it's the same thing.
03:56 PM on 07/06/2012
Yes its the same thing, however being a woman and wanting "more" I understand where shes coming from. Me and my boyfriend lived together before we got engaged but despite talks of him saying he wanted just me i needed proof. So getting married or just engaged is a proclamation of his love for me. And if a woman feels more confident because of that then there is nothing wrong with that.
08:51 PM on 07/06/2012
of course the converse to that is that the need for confirmation signals a lack of trust on your part.  Isn't someone's word enough?  Does it really need a contract and ceremony?
10:07 PM on 07/05/2012
I think that I must be lucky, in that I never had to have 'that discussion' with my partner. We just sort of fell into our life together. I was on my own path, he was on his then suddenly, there we were, walking together. We talk about the future but never with any underlying pressure or concepts. Just with honesty and excitement. Almost 7 years so far, still along way to walk, but I am so glad he his beside me :)
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09:00 PM on 07/05/2012
I think it's funny that women are more likely to push for marriage, but also the first ones to file for divorce. I think the problem for SOME women is the idea of getting married is more appealing then the marriage itself. Thus when reality hits, it's a much bigger blow to women than men.
04:00 PM on 07/06/2012
Which is why living together ahead of time is always a good thing. You find out when your together all the time who one is.
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05:48 PM on 07/06/2012
Exactly. Thank you for not taking my comment the wrong way. I really wasn't trying to start a "anti-women" flame war. 
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07:03 PM on 07/05/2012
After reading your article- I have to acknowledge that you've bought up something that women today do have to struggle with. I think living together before marriage isa good idea, but it can backfire. Living together brings you closer, and also forces a couple to deal with the "less romantic" issues shall we say like paying the bills, household chores, to buying toilet paper! I feel that a couple should have a very sound foundation before they take on all these everyday life stressors. However, that being said I have no followed my own advice.
If the man won't marry someone he is living with it does have some meaning. It's a trap many women have fallen into. Because then it becomes a thorn in the relationship, this "marriage thing" and it can cause a break-up. But on the other hand you get to know the man in a way you never could just dating him. It's easy to be charming and sexy a few nights a week! but throw in some space issues, money problems, and annoying personal habits, and one gets the whole picture! so I'm for living together- in general. But if after a year or so if the woman wants to get married then the man isn't willing as I've previously stated- it can be heart breaking.
09:03 AM on 07/06/2012
"...paying the bills, household chores, to buying toilet paper! I feel that a couple should have a very sound foundation before they take on all these everyday life stressors." - But the individuals that make up the couple have presumably been dealing with these things daily, long before they were a couple. These stressors are nothing new to them.