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I've Never Dated Anyone Without Dating Their Politics, Too

Posted: 03/26/2012 5:14 pm

As a lifelong Democrat, I never thought I would be in this place. I never thought I would have to confront this dreaded unforeseen fear -- the terror that is, for me, dating a Republican. I don't even know very many Republicans. But it turns out, I'm not alone. Outside of Washington D.C., the entire country is pretty segregated when it comes to political parties. According to dating website, seven out of ten people are in a relationship with someone of the same political persuasion. I grew up knowing very few Republicans and the rare ones I did know got made fun behind their backs, be it children or adults. I know there were some Republicans at my college because there was a "College Republicans" group on campus, but this was the Bushy era and the conservatives who were smart enough to get into my university were too smart to be vocal defenders of the Dick Cheney puppet show that was the aughts. I've been living in Los Angeles ever since in the type of place where, at the moment President Obama was pronounced the winner of the race, we threw open our windows and whooped and shrieked out into the streets till an impromptu parade erupted and bars served free drinks. I cried. I've worked for the Democratic Party, interned for a Democratic Congressman and Senator. And even though I went to a more conservative law school, there were enough liberals on campus that if you included the faculty, we could flock together so that I rarely interacted with those others who met with our derision.

So when I tell you I never thought I would date a Republican, it's not because I really contemplated it and made a specific decision. It's because as long as I didn't drive to Orange County, my chances of actually running into one felt slim to none. We live in a birds-of-a-feather type of country. So how did I get to here? How did I come to date a man who told me he "liked a lot of Mitt Romney's ideas" and that he thought John Kerry wasn't really a war hero and that cap and trade is a terrible system? At first I didn't think it would be a big issue. I fell in love with someone who has many similar interests and a big generous heart and when he told me he was an Independent, I thought that was just something moderate Democrats said when being pretentious about how non-conformist they are. I didn't realize I was dating someone who would spend every single Tuesday night glued to Wolf Blitzer's analysis of another Republican primary. And to be frank, at this point, it's making me freak out. I get mad at him just thinking about our past political discussions. I can't date a Republican! What was I thinking? What if I have little Republican babies?

Naturally, he doesn't think it's a big deal. He keeps saying we can always find common ground. But I find myself angry with him for things that I expect to take for granted. He admitted to me that the word "liberal" for him had a bad connotation and that the word "conservative" did not. It's hard to blame him when this is a common phenomena in our country now so that only 20% of the population identifies as liberal while 40% is willing to identify as conservative. I tell him this is a direct result of the vitriol that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have injected into our discourse and he shouldn't buy into their demonizing of the left. But for my boyfriend, "liberal" means big government inefficiency. I'm normally a calm person, but when he said this, I was close to flipping out. How could he buy into all that? He's a smart person, he reads reputable news sources. And yet, I continually find myself mad at him for buying into conservative propaganda.

Everyone always points to Mary Matalin and James Carville as shining examples of a couple with different political beliefs and a stable marriage. But honestly, have you seen them bicker on tv? I love watching them but I don't want to fight like that in my home. I want my home to be a place of tranquility and calm and little social justice fighters playing pin your favorite president on the blue donkey.

Another burgeoning concern is that I'm starting to feel like I always have to watch what I say. Yes, I know there are many intelligent Republicans out there and if the party was made up of just David Frums and Christopher Buckleys or even Mitt Romneys, they'd be a reasonable moderate party that I have an intellectual disagreement with and there wouldn't be anything to make fun of. But for now, there are a lot of crazy extremist kooks running the Republican party and when you get into Santorum territory and Palin country, I want the freedom to openly mock and deride in a forum where I don't have to worry about offending someone. Is that so wrong? I'm sick of back-peddling every time I accidentally call them teabaggers.

Months ago, we got to talking about Ron Paul, or rather, my boyfriend got to telling me all about him. Although we don't disagree that much on social issues, we disagree quite a bit about how influential social issues should be when it comes to casting a ballot, so we started to really get into it. At one point, I said that certain individual rights and liberties should be the most important issue and I was disappointed in my boyfriend because he was willing to forgo those liberties in order to "make a buck." He was offended and hurt. Admittedly, I went too far and I believe he is compassionate for those less fortunate and I know he doesn't think he's sacrificing civil rights for money. But I was making an impassioned argument and this is how liberals talk when we're amongst friends. To stay in my relationship, I must resolve myself somewhat to being more careful in my language now when talking about fiscal conservatives but in so doing, is that the best decision for a healthy relationship? No one wants to have to walk on eggshells around their partner.

Last week, I went over to my boyfriend's to watch the HBO docudrama Game Change about Palin's Vice Presidential bid over some wine and take-out. When it was over, I felt bad for John McCain, but outraged at all the doltish hicks who were venerating this ignorant backwards woman who reveled in her lack of knowledge. My boyfriend on the other hand, said he felt bad for her.

How can you feel bad for her?
I was shocked. Why is it always the Republican party that nominates idiots? Joe the Plumber, Christine O'Donnell. Democrats would never allow someone who didn't understand what the "fed" was to run for city councilman let alone the Vice-Presidency.

How much do you really know about what the Fed does? He shot back.

I almost lost it. In that moment, he was impugning my knowledge and at the same time defending Sarah Palin. I was livid. How can I build my life with someone who defends Sarah Palin and thinks "liberal" is a dirty word? We went back and forth for a while with me spouting off economic knowledge and him keeping my rhetoric in check. But I went to bed angry that night.

I know we're not supposed to try to change our significant others, but I can't help but hope that I might be able to make a tried and true blue Democrat out of him. It's worked somewhat so far, as I've been able to convince him that John Kerry really was a war hero and that Mitt Romney has backtracked on climate change. And maybe I am better off calling them teapartyers and aside from adjusting interest rates I don't really know that much about the Fed. Congress recently passed the first Bi-partisan piece of legislation in years so if they can do it, surely two people who love each other and share many of the same values can find common ground as well. Now, if I could only get him to start watching Bill Maher with me...

 

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As a lifelong Democrat, I never thought I would be in this place. I never thought I would have to confront this dreaded unforeseen fear -- the terror that is, for me, dating a Republican. I don't even...
As a lifelong Democrat, I never thought I would be in this place. I never thought I would have to confront this dreaded unforeseen fear -- the terror that is, for me, dating a Republican. I don't even...
 
 
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12:15 AM on 05/15/2012
I'm trying to figure out how you can be offended that he feels liberal has negative connotations when this entire commentary outlines how you find negative connotations in the term conservative. I'm also trying to figure out why you are offended that he questions your knowledge/understanding of the fed, when you question just about every conservative's knowledge/understanding about everything.
12:29 PM on 04/05/2012
Hahahaha - yuck. Textbook liberal ... I don't know how her boyfriend stands it. ;-)
04:37 AM on 04/05/2012
If it doesn't work out with your boyfriend call me cause I'm in love!!!
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02:51 PM on 03/31/2012
I loved the satire and comedic relief in this piece - - good insight into how overboard some of us can feel about our politics - very honest and forthcoming. Uptight folks will not get it!
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eagle48
08:56 AM on 03/31/2012
My husband and I don't agree about politics. He's much more liberal than I am. I don't know why you'd want to be with someone who parrots your opinions. How boring.
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giftsthatpurr
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02:55 PM on 03/31/2012
Interesting take. thx! When my family of 5 grown kids and their spouses and grown kids get together the discussions are -ahem- lively to say the least! Lotsa love there with not everyone agreeing, but much to think about later!!! (Even the most conservtive among them agree that listening to Limbaugh is ugly however.)
10:02 PM on 03/29/2012
Yes, Dems only have geniuses elected. Like the guy who was afraid Guam would capsize if it was overpopulated. Or the woman who wondered if the Mars rover could travel to where the Apollo astronauts planted the American flag. Or the guy who said there were so many dead slaves thrown overboard 400 years ago, that sharks still patrol the route hoping for more.... sheesh. You are so informed that you don't realize that that HBO movie was a complete hit piece, and complete fiction.
09:11 PM on 03/29/2012
This woman has the nerve to deride conservatives as vitriolic hicks and she can't even be bothered to speak kindly of - much less associate with - people who don't share her opinions? So much for tolerance and diversity. Thanks for showing your true colors, Ms. Kagel. I feel sorry for you.
12:56 PM on 03/29/2012
I'm in a mixed political relationship just like you, except I'm him and my wife is you. The biggest issue I find is that both sides use talking points from their party affilation. You can't accuse him of succumbing to propaganda without evaluating how you are also succumbing to propaganda from your side. Don't lump him into a group. Look at him like he's an individual that can make his own opinions and expect the same from him. Some people don't have any foundation to their political beliefs and regurgitate what they hear. Others have reasons for thinking what they think. If you're with him, chances are he has a reason for his beliefs...which at least means he is thinking about it.

Now, in my relationship, the divide over politics has in fact lead to us not talking about politics very often. If she's not interested in having a political discussion, I don't force it. Don't make anyone mad. That doesn't mean our opinions don't get expressed. I would certainly say I have moved to a more liberal position as I have been in this relationship and I'd also say, my wife has moved to a more conservative opinion in most things. It just means you get to hear the other side's argument in a less propagandized way. Which I think is good.
10:06 AM on 03/29/2012
I think the author is treading in deadly water by, not only hoping, but, apparently, expecting her partner to change to her political views.

To me, this is a matter of the author realizing (or coming to realize) that politics is a deal-breaker for her.

Based on her tone regarding Republicans/Conservatives...I don't see this relationship lasting.

I do think it's possible for two people to be together and not be of the same political party. However, when one partner is like the author...I don't think it's possible. For some people, politics is a deal-breaker. Doesn't seem like it is for her boyfriend. But it only takes one for the relationship to fall a part because of it.
11:50 PM on 03/28/2012
I'm a conservative and my boyfriend is extremely liberal. We're able to have thoughtful, interesting, and productive discussions. We're both well-informed, intellectually honest, and respectful of the fact that we have different opinions about politics. We don't resort to knee-jerk generalizations or reactions because we recognize we're discussing policy issues or social issues with EACH OTHER and not with "conservative and/or liberals et al." Individuals on either side cannot be lumped together as caricatures. Both he and I have admitted that our political discussions have been much more interesting than ones we've had with previous partners who just agree on everything. Basically it just takes a certain level of maturity, respect, and understanding. On the inside you might want to make him change his views, but that's something he has to do on his own over time.

Anyway, you and I may be on different ends of the political spectrum, but we're in the same boat with regards to this situation. I sincerely wish the best of luck to you two.
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11:36 PM on 03/28/2012
"I grew up knowing very few Republicans and the rare ones I did know got made fun behind their backs, BE IT CHILDREN or adults."


Wow.
11:34 PM on 03/28/2012
Vapid and insiped.
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giftsthatpurr
zestful life
02:44 PM on 03/31/2012
Truthful/honest and realistic.
11:33 AM on 04/02/2012
Sure, if your life is an episode of Sex in the City. Then what type of person surrounds themself with "friends" who nod in approval at everything they say?
11:15 PM on 03/28/2012
Liberals really don't know anything. They have ingrained assumptions that are wrong. My goodfriend graduate of a top law school, would always argue with me about global warming. I finally asked her why she "believes in" global warming. Her answer: A friend of mine that is an enviromental lawyer and he said it is real. I then asked her to provide any evidence to support that belief... Our last conversation on the subject.

She is coming around though. She is telling me how much teacher unions are hurting education. She'll be dateable in no time.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
04:04 AM on 03/31/2012
Errm, the science is in on global warming, it's very real. As for "liberals having ingrained assumptions" - LOL do you think conservatives don't?
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There is no such thing as superfluous bacon
04:37 AM on 04/04/2012
Climategate. Look it up.
10:58 PM on 03/28/2012
My wife was a big liberal when we met. She is now a conservative, and when I asked her how it happened, she told me "I grew up. Bills and kids tend to straighten out your belief system."
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RubyMontana
When did money become a four-letter-word?
06:43 PM on 03/29/2012
Interesting.
I grew up, too.
For me, it was just a matter of paying attention, LOL!
I wanted to succeed. I wanted to be OK. I wanted to do it myself. I wanted to be proud.
Two points to your wife!
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06:44 PM on 03/29/2012
Congrats. on a successful conversion process, Marcus.

FF
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10:55 PM on 03/28/2012
To the author, and any liberal reader here: I humbly suggest an experiment: Go to a Tea Party meeting and casually mention you are a liberal. Then go to a meeting of liberals you don't know, say an Occupy LA (or similar) meeting, and casually mention you are a conservative. Compare the reactions, and then take some time for honest self-reflection.