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The Buffett Rule: It's About Restoring Tax Fairness

Posted: 03/26/2012 12:38 pm

Some things are just so obvious, and make so much sense that, people from all walks of life can agree.

Like tax fairness, for example.

Way back in 1985, President Reagan -- yes, that Ronald Reagan, hero of conservatives everywhere -- talked about eliminating tax loopholes and giveaways for the richest Americans.

And while even Reagan, Republican icon, has said our tax code should be the same for the middle class and the wealthy, today's right wing won't even come to the table. The Republican leadership mocks the bill and the Wall Street Journal prints the headline "Rich would skirt Buffett Rule." Only to be debunked by Forbes magazine as being "[c]atchy but misleading."

Between all the back and forth, the real underlying issue is becoming lost. We're talking about restoring fairness to our tax system. The tenant of the Buffett Rule is to fix something so broken, so wrong that Ronald Reagan agreed. Our tax code is fundamentally unfair because the system taxes income typically earned by the wealthy, like investments, at a lower rate than income earned by middle class workers, like salaries. More troubling, the system is full of tax loopholes, corporate giveaways and carve-outs for millionaires and billionaires. This has left us with a world in which middle class families are paying more of their overall income than our richest 1%.

And where do we go from here? We're facing a radical Republican Party on the other side who says the Buffett Rule is "class warfare," and attacks our plan. Well -- that's just ridiculous. Tax fairness is something so basic that two people from two very different angles have come to agree. Just watch this video of Presidents Reagan and Obama both echoing our call for tax fairness.


It may surprise a lot of people to find Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama, Sheldon Whitehouse and I on the same side of anything. But with an issue like this that makes so much sense the real question is, why does today's right wing disagree?


While we wait for the answer to that question, I'll leave you with this: there are just a few weeks left before Tax Day and Americans across the country are sitting down at their kitchen tables and adding up the numbers. Let's help them out. Click here to add your name to those calling for passage of the Buffett Rule for tax fairness.

 

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Some things are just so obvious, and make so much sense that, people from all walks of life can agree. Like tax fairness, for example. Way back in 1985, President Reagan -- yes, that Ronald Reagan...
Some things are just so obvious, and make so much sense that, people from all walks of life can agree. Like tax fairness, for example. Way back in 1985, President Reagan -- yes, that Ronald Reagan...
 
 
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10:31 PM on 04/01/2012
The argument doesn't hld water when you look at the actual taxes paid by the 1%. It's ridiculous to think mitt Romney should pay 30million in tax while Joe taxpayer pays $2,500 . Thats truly unfair. ....and don't both resounding with that progressive tax stuff. I already know it.
11:38 AM on 04/06/2012
Unfair? I pay 2.5 times the tax rate that Mr. Romney pays. Maybe he should just pay the same rate as the rest of us who live on a salary?
08:53 PM on 04/01/2012
To start basic reform, implement a very low tax on every transaction of money/wealth, no exceptions. A rate of one penny per hundred dollars has the potential to raise billions.

universalexchangetax.com
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shankapotomus
08:38 PM on 04/01/2012
No its about stealing from some and giving to others.
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Freethinking American
Reason begets humanity for humanity
05:40 PM on 04/01/2012
The problem with the GOP now is that they have freely given up their ability to think and act. They have made a deal with the devil, Grover Norquist, which enslaves them intellectually -- they can do nothing that can in any way be perceived as a "tax increase." This is in keeping with the mindset required to be a part of fundamental religious sects the GOP so much adores. The GOP has done this to themselves, and they are fast on their way to becoming irrelevant as a political party. America is rejecting them and their puppet masters. If only they would listen to their heroes, like Ronald Reagan.
07:34 PM on 04/01/2012
everyone will have a tax incraese when the obama tax cuts expire in dec
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Cody Allison
Conscious Evolution
10:11 PM on 04/01/2012
and watch how much the rich and powerful scream cry and stomp their feet...to the point of shutting down the gov't again!
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oklahomabill
04:39 PM on 04/01/2012
As Buffett has already the "class war" has been waged for twenty years and already won by top 1/10 of 1%. The cry of class war is jingoistic nonsense. An actual progressive political movement that would lead to a near progressive tax system which existed thirty years ago would require the 'sheeple' getting up on their hind legs and actually going into the streets, at least something similar to the war protests of the 1960's. Time is unpredictable in what kind of cards are going to be dealt to humanity, but the clock is running on our "problems", Grab a history book and read about what happened in Flint in 1937, the docks in San Francisco, Russia in 1917, Germany in 1927-33. You will get the idea.
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jeb50
Retired.
02:58 PM on 04/01/2012
The gop will never support anyone who can't hand them a very large donation.
zanzy
your micro bio is empty, just like our democracy.
02:58 PM on 04/01/2012
A 4% tax increase and closing corporate loopholes (that is, ending the temporary Bush tax cut to create jobs program, since it did not create said jobs), seems hardily fair, since said program actually blew a massive hole in our economy. I would say it's an sorry attempt to limit what they should in fact do; that is, having 80% on the highest earners. You know, what Ike would do. Remember Ike, a real republican!
02:51 PM on 04/01/2012
tax fairness =

www.fairtax.org
02:43 PM on 04/01/2012
People who have tons of money and can live on their investment income have to pay only 15% on their income (i.e., capital gains), whereas if this tax was the same as normal tax rates they would pay more. Gee, is it really hard to figure who came up with this idea? As for why this doesn't change, the answer is equally easy. The same people who pushed for this in the first place, whom have made additional fortunes as a result, are the same people who are pushing even harder to keep it in place. It also does not take any genius to figure out that these people have a lot of political power. It is really easy to understand what the problem is and why we can't fix it. And for this, we have to thank the Republican Party!
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jinxed
starting over at 60
07:53 AM on 04/02/2012
BUT, Dems are/were complicit as well.
12:23 PM on 04/10/2012
Two reasons for lower capital gains rates are as follows:

1. the money was initially taxed as income at the same rate as your earnings would be taxed
2. Unearned income, like long term capital gains, occur over time. inflation can turn a realized gain into a financial loss. For example, I invest $100 in a stock. I sell it a year later for $105. Over that year, inflation was at 6% percent. My buying power fell to $99 in today's dollars yet I would still have to pay taxes for the priviledge of reducing my buying power even further below $99.
02:25 PM on 04/01/2012
How about a flat tax. That would be fair. Every person in the United States will pay the exact same percentage of taxes on their income. Start at dollar one. No exemptions for age. If you make it, you pay. I would even be willing to tax capital gains at the same rate as regular income under that scenario.

This is what would be fair. The person who makes a 100 times as much as someone else pays a 100 times more tax.

Sadly, I doubt if Obama would support such an idea. The Buffet rule is silly. If you really believe in such an idea - then support a flat tax.
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jeb50
Retired.
02:55 PM on 04/01/2012
A flat tax hurts low income earners.
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Articulator
03:26 PM on 04/01/2012
A low income worker who gives 20% is making a bigger sacrifice then a high income earner giving up 20%.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
02:00 PM on 04/01/2012
I want every person in America to be as successful, happy, and prosperous as their talents and energy, dedication and courage, creativity and integrity can possibly take them.

As long as we demand that someone else pay for the stuff we want, we will always be poor and dependent and hopeless. It has nothing to do with fairness, it has everything to do with pure, raw power. The power of the government and the power of the mob. When the government taxes some and borrows to make up the difference in order to give to others, running up a monstrous debt in the process, nothing will ever get better.

Here are the hard, cold facts:

- If you tax corporations HQ'd in the US, they'll move out of the US;

- You cannot tax the wealthiest Americans enough (they don't have enough money) to make even a dent in the deficit, much less the debt;

- The more Americans become more dependent on the federal government to fix things up for them, the worse the prospects become;

- Time on the Internet, or protesting, is time wasted that could be used to a) build skills, b) build experience (through volunteering, if nothing else), or c) open and build a business.

Nobody ever became prosperous, much less "free and independent", by relying on government to fix things up for them.
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Articulator
03:34 PM on 04/01/2012
The top marginal tax rate is the lowest its been in 30 years and save a few years there its the lowest its been since before the great depression. Corporations pay 1/5 the taxes, as a percent of total taxes, then they did in the 1950's. Somalia is a country that has no taxes, no companies or people want to go there. There has been a huge migration of wealth up out of reach of the middle class. A trend that along with tax cuts for the wealthy preceded the Great Depression. Middle class businesses like hairdressers, plumbers, groundskeepers have fewer and fewer customers because money has migrated out of reach. The problem is the laws that Congress passes are literally written by lobbyists representing those who benefit from sending jobs overseas who then hand the bills to Congress to pass. Those are the cold hard facts.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
06:08 PM on 04/01/2012
Today, the corporate tax rate in the United States is the highest in the world.

"Somalia is a country that has no taxes, no companies or people want to go there." - - - More pertinently, Somalia has no institutions of democracy. You could give Somalia all the taxes, etc in the world and it wouldn't make Somalia a country.

As to the entire second half of your response: " There has been a huge migration of wealth up out of reach of the middle class." - - - This is a product of the government interceding to provide retirement, healthcare, and a social safety net for the working class. As the working class has become dependent on government to provide, they have essentially quit even TRYING to accumulate personal capital (wealth), so fewer and fewer families have anything to pass on to their children. Not 'cause a someone who took it away from 'em. They just entirely quit trying ... why not buy that Escalade and go on vacation to Hawaii, instead, and let the gummint' worry about my retirement and old age health care.

Iz not comfy to confront this, but iz essential to ever truly unmuck this situation.
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Fein
Either everybody counts or nobody does.
06:12 PM on 04/01/2012
'Nobody ever became prosperous, much less "free and independent", by relying on government to fix things up for them.'

Nothing exposes the paucity of that argument like the fact that even the 'leaders' of the party espousing those opinions have to take their families to a country with socialized medicine.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
12:13 AM on 04/02/2012
"... the 'leaders' of the party espousing those opinions have to take their families to a country with socialized medicine..." - - - If someone offers a treatment that isn't approved in the US (ala Steve McQueen), then I'd go to where it's approved, too. Otherwise, mhhhhh, here we go.
01:33 PM on 04/01/2012
Anyone else out there tired of hearing about the Buffet Rule? I know I am.

If Jimmy wants to pay more let him ...
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
02:04 PM on 04/01/2012
Yup, as his investments profit grandly from government programs:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/warren-buffett-bank-america-too-big-to-fail_n_937118.html

In government, there are two sources of power: votes and money (*). It's fairly easy to turn money into votes, far harder to do the reverse. But politicians keep trying to do it, most recently now through this "tax the rich" scheme.

(*) There are very rare occasions when a politician has "moral authority": Washington, Lincoln, Churchill. But in today's world that just won't happen (too much media, too many critics ... too much media).
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Articulator
03:38 PM on 04/01/2012
"If Jimmy wants to pay more let him"

That's a pretty meaningless statement and irrelevant to the issue.
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Heartlight3
Every act is an act of self-definition.
10:36 PM on 04/01/2012
It's about as meaningless as telling someone who thinks we should go to war in Iran, "get a gun and go over there and fight". It is meaningless if only one person does it.
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Nomccain
01:20 PM on 04/01/2012
The part of the equation that Republicans historically deny is debts can only be reduced or eliminated by the combination of spending cuts and additional revenue. This is due to their still flawed belief that when the uber wealthy do well, residue from that wealth "trickles down" to us. The major flaw in that belief is that lately greed and corruption has caused these same billionaires to invest overseas where they can reel in higher profits and rather than invest these profits and jobs in the U.S., they re-invest overseas and hide their profits in foriegn banks. This is the BIG LIE that republicans aren't addressing in their "trickle down" philosophy and the major reason why the wealthy no longer deserve more tax breaks. To avoid increasing taxes on these undeserving wealthy, the Republicans constantly try to cut, cut and cut some more, and most of the time from programs that benefit seniors, the middle class and the poor, It;s time Americans woke up to these facts and the greed and injustice the Republicans of today represent. Vote Democratic in 2012 to end this incompassionate obstructionism.
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LoneTree
Liberty is more precious than life.
02:09 PM on 04/01/2012
" This is due to their still flawed belief that when the uber wealthy do well, residue from that wealth "trickles down" to us." - - - That is a flawed idea, and I believe it's been thoroughly disproved.

" The major flaw in that belief is that lately greed and corruption has caused these same billionaires to invest overseas" - - - The reasons for this are fascinating, and have little to do with the conventional dialog.

a) In 1945, most of the rest of the world lay in smoking ruins, there were no 'consumers' overseas, domestic production and consumption was almost the entire economy;

b) by 1970, that began to change very markedly, in 1990 China joined the crowd, there is no way to go back to the environment of 1945-1970;

c) where this gets really interesting, though, is the social contract. Post-War, with GI's returning home by the millions from war, there was a strong social contract: "The rich will pay their taxes, the poor will not demand expensive entitlements and benefits, and everyone will pitch in and work";

d) all that changed in the 1960's as LBJ waged the war in Viet Nam without calling up the Reserves at the same time he passed his Great Society, which well and truly destroyed the existing social contract;

e) with the poor now demanding expensive entitlements and benefits, the rich are no longer morally obliged to pay, so they don't.
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Freethinking American
Reason begets humanity for humanity
05:52 PM on 04/01/2012
Those ungrateful poor demanding things like "health care" and "food" and "education." Clearly things outside the social contract. I can see why the power elite no longer feel an obligation to help develop the workers that make their investments work.
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gateking
02:46 PM on 04/01/2012
Actually there has been considerable discussion about lowering spending. There has been virtually no action on reducing spending until 2013+, which, of course, is not binding.
12:46 PM on 04/01/2012
As a country we shouldn't be wasting time on such a small number. The Buffet Rule would bring in about 4 billion per year. We borrow 4 billion every day. What about the other 364 days we need to borrow from China??? That's what we should be talking about.
12:18 PM on 04/01/2012
Paying higher taxes does not equate to socialism. My god, look it up people.Just the same old line all the time. We need to reduce our debt, you cannot do that by cuts alone, it has to be both cuts and taxes. The term is balanced.
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Freethinking American
Reason begets humanity for humanity
05:54 PM on 04/01/2012
But to do that, the GOP would be defying their prophet Overlord Grover Norquist....