Clinton Protest Voters for McCain
I was the first to warn this was coming. Clinton supporters are ticked. I've been getting emails for months. Yesterday, NARAL made it worse.
There is something else that I've been thinking about for quite a while, which came into the forefront with the Edwards endorsement. Immediately upon this event people started talking about Edwards as a vice presidential choice. Talking heads on cable began their projectile analysis that we were now witnessing the political Butch-Sundance team that would lead the working class voters to Democrats and the Party to victory in November.
There's only one problem.
It's huge.
No, gigantic, in fact.
What would an Edwards vice presidency say to all of Hillary's millions and millions of women? I won't print the answer on this blog, but it begins with "f" and ends with you.
Oh, and for the record, Claire McCaskill, Kathleen Sebelius nor Janet Napolitano will do. Ask a Clinton supporter ready to cast a protest vote for McCain. She'll tell you.
As I've said many times recently, I will work hard to defeat John McCain if Obama is the nominee. If Clinton pulls it out, I will work tirelessly for her. I hope everyone is clear about the distinction. The ideals and principles of the Democratic Party mean too much to me, even if the Party elite are acting like thugs.
However, make no mistake about it, the Democratic Party has sent a signal to women that Hillary's candidacy isn't historic. They're nonchalance over her fight about Michigan and Florida, as well as the undemocratic nature of caucuses, not to mention their breezy attitude about pushing her out before this race is through has wounded a lot of people. Ted Kennedy took his fight to the floor with far less of a case than Hillary Clinton has today, yet she's being screamed at to get out. The Democratic elite seem to be saying that the little women got their play in the political pond, but let's get serious, shall we? With the proclamation that Obama was the "presumptive nominee" ready to declare "victory" on May 20th, the women of the Democratic Party were once again proclaimed invisible and expected to fall in line for The One.
Try winning in November without them.
But taking this further, what does this Butch-Sundance storyline say about the traditional media and the Obamabot world, which obviously doesn't get that if Clinton and her female supporters are not respected, they have the power and could stand up and walk out on the Democratic Party to send a message that will reverberate for months and years to come. That message will result in a McCain presidency.
For anyone who doubts this could happen please start reading the comment sections on the Hillary Clinton blogs. Some are over the top, but most people are coming from thoughtful political perspectives from activists who are very serious about what's now unfolding in the Democratic Party. These Clinton supporters who are threatening a protest vote for John McCain are large in number, many of whom are regulars on my blog and in the comment section, with hundreds of emails from lurkers to me every day saying they will not vote for Obama if he's the nominee. The disrespect for Hillary Clinton has been too wide and too deep in the Democratic Party, and they're not going to support it anymore.
Memo to the Democratic leadership elite: Consider yourselves on notice. Hell hath no fury. Believe it.
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BTW, WHY do clinton supporters continue to support Fox News campaigning to destroy the Democratic Party!?!??! what a load.
Where was the whining about sexism when Clinton was WINNING!?!?!? The parrty didn't run a sexist campaign against Clinton. How sadly shameful about the way Clintonistas abuse issues of sexism to explain the fact that Clinton ran a LOUSY campain.
Oh good... keep supporting the myth that women are emotional and not rational. Sorry, but we're better than that and I find this entire thing offensive. When the GE is finally over, and the Dems have won, where will those women go? Do they HONESTLY believe that the Republican party will be open to them and their agenda? I think this group is thankfully much smaller than the women involved can admit. I'm sorry that we've been reduced to this. I can't wait to see the Taylor Marsh's of the world waving their McCain banners as he talks about reversing Roe V. Wade and why he shoots down fair pay acts, etc.. Lovely.
Just to hopefully prove I'm not the lunatic everyone thinks, I quote from Congressional Quarterly Monthly:
""In the increasingly likely scenario of a deadlocked convention in Denver this summer, with neither Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois nor Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York having the plurality of 2,025 delegates necessary to secure the nomination, the balance of nominating power will fall to the 795 'superdele
Here we have it established that the 2025 number refers to DELEGATE votes, not to a combination of delegate and superdelegate (Convention delegate) votes.
Yes, convention delegates have "the balance of nominating power," but when? Clearly, after the Primary election is over. Otherwise, the intrusion of SD votes has the potential to subvert the Primary phase.
Otherwise, if convention delegate votes are to count during the Primary, why have the two separate phases (Primary and Convention)? My suggestion that we wait until the Primary race is over until we consider the SD votes is not a lunatic suggestion, after all.
In fact, a NYT Op-Ed piece from Feb. seems to agree with me:
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I'm a woman and it annoys me to no end her supporters expect Hillary to get something special because she is a woman. It's not even about falling in line to follow someone. She LOST. Okay. They didn't take it from her. She LOST! Why is that so hard to understand? It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has to do with her screwing up by voting for the Iraq war, by thinking it was a coronation instead of a primary season and for generally running a horrible campaign.
She lost what? The Primary election is still going. And, based on what I've read and heard at/from various sources, neither canidate can win the Primary election. Next phase is the Convention (late Aug.), where the decision will be made regarding which candidate to nominate. There may even be pre-Convention steps taken, with the SD votes counting early or something.
But, as we speak, Hillary has not lost anything. The Primary election is still going strong. Unless our party drasticially stepped up the nomination without telling us, then a winner has yet to be decided.
Very well said
I have never seen a bigger bunch of sore losers in my life, you should all be ashamed of yourself, this is obviously a stupid threat to hand the whole thing over to Clinton, go ahead vote for mcbush you deserve what you reap, why try to console lunatics that make up rules every week
We're not in a position to hand the whole thing over to Clinton, or to threaten to do so.
And seeing as how B.O. hasn't won anything at this point, what are you talking about? Give away something that doesn't belong to either candidate at this point?
All these women need to stop with this gender argument. You and Hillary have done more damage to the feminists movement with your whining, complaining, mood shifts, message shifts, not taking responsibility for your own mistakes, and the constant attempts to change the rules or markers by which a nominee is chosen. I'm a woman and I cannot vote for Hillary because I do not trust her and I have absolutely no idea who she is and what she stands for. If you really vote for McCain I say the democratic party is well rid of you because you obviously do not share the same core values we do. A women will be president sooner rather than later, but only when the right women is running. Hillary simply isn't the right women. Her time has past. I'm extremely hopeful that the grassroots efforts of Obama's supporters will put an end to the rich and powerful running the democratic party. It would be nice if it were a party of the people and for the people again.
"Hell Hath no Fury" like a woman scorned?
Women get special emotional rights?
I will vote for Hillary if she is the only viable choice versus McCain.
Ms Marsh, Please start acting responsibly and tell your readers to vote against McCain for
Hillary Or Obama.
Ms. Marsh why are you and your fellow Hillary supporters trying to make this race about her gender? You only make the case for her using the women that voted for her as an example. If I am not mistaken, many men have voted for her too. They are just as passionate about her as the women that voted for her. Yet you are trying so hard to make this about gender, and trying paint Obama as an elitist and a sexist. Maybe you don't know enough about him but he has a wife and 2 daugters. He was raised mostly by his grandmother and his single mother. He always says the men in his life weren't sucessful and that he is the person he is because of the positive women he was surrounded by. As a woman I am very confident that women will prosper under an Obama presidency just as much as they would have under a Hillary Clinton presidency.
And you have a lot of nerve saying that the DNC are sexist. I believe that more women held cabinet postions under democratic administrations than republican administrations. You support HIllary and I respect that. I think she is a remarkable woman and just because I voted for Obama that doesn't mean I think any less of her. However, I think it would be better if you could make sound arguments instead of throwing around empty, one-sided arguments.
I'm a state Obama delegate, and I attended my CD level caucus today. We had initial speakers for each side, and one of the speakers talked about how important it is that we have unity in our party, that we are on the same team and the Republicans are the enemy and we must take back the White House -- regardless of who the Dem nominee is. To my surprise, both Obama supporters and Hillary supporters not only stood up, cheered and gave the speaker a standing ovation, but crossed the aisle to each other and started smiling and shaking hands with each other.
Later on, the brand newly minted Hillary national delegates came into the Obama room while we were still electing our own national delegates, introduced themselves and wished all of us well. They said that we're all in this together and they pledged to fight McCain and support which ever one is our Democratic nominee. They also got a standing ovation from the room of Obama supporters.
I have to admit that it felt nice for us all to be part of the same team again.
Told ya'll, Ms. Marsh's post was based in fallacy arguments.
It was very nice to see, and went against what we are reading online. The general feeling was that we ALL have to defeat the Republicans. I heard that from both sides yesterday, but watching people cross the aisle and shake hands was heartwarming.
Dap,
When did "fallacy" become an adjective? The word you want is "fallaciou
You have to know how to take Dap, because she has a habit of hewing to a single line, come whatever may. But I'm almost sure she's not talking about a "fallacy argument"--rather, Dap feels Ms. Marsh's premises are invalid, and/or that Marsh is arguing nonsense.
Of course, Dap has the option of proving otherwise if she wishes. But I suspect she's using the wrong term.
I have a sincere request of the HRC supporters: Is there a place where I could read a list of the grievances against the DNC leadership and Democratic elected officials regarding HRC. I would like to understand why you think Hillary has been so disrespected and vilified by the Democratic elite?
I would like to understand this as well.
I am sure the Democratic Party leaders and the millions who voted for Obama are quaking in their boots after your threats, Taylor.
And your comment, "Hell hath no fury" (like a woman scorned) - really, Taylor, that is so sexist. If Obama had made that comment about Hillary and her supporters, you would be having a heart attack about it.
Time to grow up and accept the will of the people. But if you can't manage to do that, and I doubt you will, just remember the dead soldiers and civilians in Iraq as you pull the lever for John "Bush" McCain in November.
Fine, vote for McCain.
Remember that vote every time a solder dies in Iraq or even Iran.
Remember that when gas hits $6.50 a gallon.
Remember that when you read about all the working middle class families declaring bankruptcy.
Remember that when we still do not have a sane health care system.
Remember that when more conservative judges are put on the SC.
You remember that vote you made in Nov. 2008 and be proud of how you stuck it to the Democrats in 2008.
The Obama propaganda isn't going to work. There are millions of Democrats who have been pushed too far by the DNC, the biased media, Obama and his supporters. Our job now is to do everything we can to assist in Obama's defeat.
The true cult of personality is exemplified in this comment.
Shame on you.
There is no Obama propaganda here.
This is from my heart.
This is the way I FEEL.
BO has not told me what to say nor do I spend time discussing these things with his "fans".
I am a 45 year old, working class woman in the South. I have a 16 year old son. I am deathly afraid that if McCain wins we will go to war in Iran also. We do not have enough troops to do what we are doing now.
I fear a draft.
I refuse, REFUSE to allow my son, who will in 2 years have to sign up for selective service, be used as cannon fodder so that Bush and McCain can prove their dicks are bigger then anyone else's by starting more wars.
We MUST have a Democrat in the White House.
We just have too.
Maybe you have no children or grandchildren to worry about what the next 4 years could be like. Maybe you really do think McCain is "ok".
You go girls. A recent poll found that over 40% of Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama under any circumstances, and 28% said they would vote for McCain rather than Obama. That's great news for those of us who oppose this inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive candidate. For you Obama supporters out there, keep up the vitriol and attacks. It just hardens our resolve to do everything we can to help defeat Obama now, or in November. Keep up the attacks; WE LIKE IT !!
What incredible ego.
The media literally showed THREE (3) times as much footage of Rev. Wright - the angry black racist preacher - than they spent on Hillary and John McCain COMBINED (see: foxattacks
Hillary and her very own campaign played - by their OWN ADMISSION - a "27-state Strategy." According to Hillary, she was confident that it would be "over by Super Tuesday" and that there would "be a nominee".
While still leading in votes - and still planning on winning with 27 states - Hillary signed a pledge to ignore the voters of FL and MI. SIGNED A PLEDGE. No one put a gun to her head. She agreed completely, with nary a peep, nary a complaint. Her "protection" of the MI/FL voters began LITERALLY after she needed them to win.
I dare any single one of you so-called "feminists" to justify this woman's actions. Explain these things to me. Explain why these things make her more "deserving" to win.
* Why aren't you standing up for *my* rights as a woman? I am a black woman and was outraged by the racial discrimination of the media and of key figures associated with Hillary's campaign. Will you stand up for ME? Am I less worthy?
* Is it honest to sign a pledge and then go back on your word?
* Why did she sign the pledge at all? By signing the pledge, she PARTICIPATED in disenfranchising them!
* Why did it TAKE SO LONG for her to
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