Clinton Protest Voters for McCain
I was the first to warn this was coming. Clinton supporters are ticked. I've been getting emails for months. Yesterday, NARAL made it worse.
There is something else that I've been thinking about for quite a while, which came into the forefront with the Edwards endorsement. Immediately upon this event people started talking about Edwards as a vice presidential choice. Talking heads on cable began their projectile analysis that we were now witnessing the political Butch-Sundance team that would lead the working class voters to Democrats and the Party to victory in November.
There's only one problem.
It's huge.
No, gigantic, in fact.
What would an Edwards vice presidency say to all of Hillary's millions and millions of women? I won't print the answer on this blog, but it begins with "f" and ends with you.
Oh, and for the record, Claire McCaskill, Kathleen Sebelius nor Janet Napolitano will do. Ask a Clinton supporter ready to cast a protest vote for McCain. She'll tell you.
As I've said many times recently, I will work hard to defeat John McCain if Obama is the nominee. If Clinton pulls it out, I will work tirelessly for her. I hope everyone is clear about the distinction. The ideals and principles of the Democratic Party mean too much to me, even if the Party elite are acting like thugs.
However, make no mistake about it, the Democratic Party has sent a signal to women that Hillary's candidacy isn't historic. They're nonchalance over her fight about Michigan and Florida, as well as the undemocratic nature of caucuses, not to mention their breezy attitude about pushing her out before this race is through has wounded a lot of people. Ted Kennedy took his fight to the floor with far less of a case than Hillary Clinton has today, yet she's being screamed at to get out. The Democratic elite seem to be saying that the little women got their play in the political pond, but let's get serious, shall we? With the proclamation that Obama was the "presumptive nominee" ready to declare "victory" on May 20th, the women of the Democratic Party were once again proclaimed invisible and expected to fall in line for The One.
Try winning in November without them.
But taking this further, what does this Butch-Sundance storyline say about the traditional media and the Obamabot world, which obviously doesn't get that if Clinton and her female supporters are not respected, they have the power and could stand up and walk out on the Democratic Party to send a message that will reverberate for months and years to come. That message will result in a McCain presidency.
For anyone who doubts this could happen please start reading the comment sections on the Hillary Clinton blogs. Some are over the top, but most people are coming from thoughtful political perspectives from activists who are very serious about what's now unfolding in the Democratic Party. These Clinton supporters who are threatening a protest vote for John McCain are large in number, many of whom are regulars on my blog and in the comment section, with hundreds of emails from lurkers to me every day saying they will not vote for Obama if he's the nominee. The disrespect for Hillary Clinton has been too wide and too deep in the Democratic Party, and they're not going to support it anymore.
Memo to the Democratic leadership elite: Consider yourselves on notice. Hell hath no fury. Believe it.
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This is just an extention of Clintonist propaganda. In a close election year this might make a difference, but there is no way that there will be enough disgruntled Clinton voters come November to elect the unelectable McCain.
Everything coming out of the Clinton camp is all smoke and mirrors. Sounds a lot like another politician and his talking heads of note.
What a remarkably childish attitude towards stuff that's actually important to the real adults.
She lost fair and square. Her "fight" to put Michigan and Florida back into play is anything *but* fair and square. She's done every underhanded thing she can possibly do to pull it off, but it didn't happen.
It's not about her being a woman or him being black. It's about a new era of politics. It's about people being tired of a certain kind of politician. And it's about him exemplifying the first of those two and her being the second.
But to get right down to it, even your Goddess-on-Earth Senator Clinton said that voting for McCain instead of Obama would be flat-out stupid.
Sorry, unless her supporters are truly as ignorant as she claims, they won't vote for McCain, I CALL YOUR BLUFF.
If you can live with conservative judges overturning Roe v. Wade, years in Iraq, etc - then vote for him. I'm tired of your whining - if thats your vote, then go do it - but it doesn't phase me.
TAYLOR, PLEASE TELL THESE RAGING HILLARY SUPPORTERS THAT BARACK HAS NOT SAID ANYTHING MEAN OR BAD REGARDING HILLARY'S GENDER. NEVER!
AND HE KNOWS HOW IT FEELS BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW SELLING MONKEY T-SHIRTS WITH OBAMA '08 ON THEM IN GA RIGHT NOW!
IT IS NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE LIKE ME- 24 YEAR OLD WORKING SINGLE MOM, AND STUDENT.
I WORK HARD EVERYDAY FOR MY SON. AND JOHN MCCAIN DOENS'T TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT EFFECT ME! I DON'T QUALIFY FOR HIS BUSH TAX CUTS, I WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD HIS HEALTH CARE PLANS, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF I ALLOW HIM TO SEND MY SON TO IRAQ WHEN HE GETS OLD ENOUGH!
THIS IS NOT FAIR, AND IT'S AFFECTING ALL OF US. I THINK IT IS SELFISH, AND IT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PARTY, THEN TAKE IT UP WITH THE LEADERS DIRECTLY, BUT DON'T LET IT COST US THE ELECTION. I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND NEITHER CAN THE MILLIONS IN POVERTY RIGHT NOW.
stop shouting and listen! you are being sold a bill of goods by a syndicate of special interests.obama is not who they want you to believe he is. you want a better life? join the fight!
Your insane. You'd rather cut your nose off to spite your face then admit that this ONE woman lost fair and square.
And just who do you think Obama is? If you really have something to say about him, please tell us what it is. Otherwise... If you don't have anything to say, then don't say it.
They don't fight--they conform. Fighting against the odds has become the opposite of the American attitude. Yet, fighting against the odds is what made us America in the first place.
Oh, well. Rebels are always a minority. Rebel poseurs not counting.
There aren't enough of these fools to take away the election. Please don't be concerned, they are schoolyard bully's angry because the candidate they supported lost in a fair fight, regardless of their changing the rules every few months.
Not enough of us?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx
You should know all about bullies. You've bullied Hillary supporters on this site long enough. Look at my previous posts. I kept reiterating to both sides, that we were on the SAME side. But I got hateful and often scary responses from Obama supporters. I'm sorry CommonSense, but there is quite a large contigent out there and it grows by the day. It's truly tragic. It didn't need to be this way. But you can't dish out hate, and expect people not to eventually get fed up. I have said that I'm done. I know that I'm hated. I've fought hard for Democrats for years, but now all I receive in return for my efforts is scary hate. I'm done. I'm sorry CommonSense. It didn't need to be this way.
I am a Latino female I do not agree with you at all. Why do you ignore women of color? Are we not women? Do we not count? People are sick of the Clintons it has nothing to do with her being a woman.
110th Congress
There are 90 women in the 110th Congress, 74 in the House, including three delegates, and 16 in the Senate.
• There are 42 black members of the House. Of these, three are freshmen and two are delegates. There is one black senator.
• There are 27 Hispanic members of the House, including one delegate. Of these, one is a freshman. The Senate has three Hispanic members.
• There are seven Asian members of the House, including one black member of Filipino descent. One of these is a freshman. There are two Asian members of the Senate.
Cry me a river
Ms. Marsh:
The math is the math. What you absolutely do not get, is that Obama has been declared the presumptivve nominee, based on the math. Not because Obama has a penis.
I think that women not supporting Obama says much worse things about women, than supporting our nation's and the democratic party's first black nominee. For one, you and other women, would rather sulk and temper tantrum, instead of support one of this nation's other underdogs. Second, does it bode well for women to throw a fit, for fit's sake? Wouldn't it be much easier for people to laugh at the women, because they are acting like typical women, and throwing a fit, because they are given their turn?
Obama was not given his turn, he earned his turn. Hillary did not lose, because she has a vagina. And Hillary should not be given the nomination, because it's time we GAVE it to a person with a vagina.
Ms. Marsh, please show us that you won't bow down to the typical female stereotype of being controlled by your emotions.
And the math in November will be landslide McCain, zip Obama...
Here's a quote from Taylor Marsh. In fact, it's from the essay at the top of the page. The one you allegedly read.
"As I've said many times recently, I will work hard to defeat John McCain if Obama is the nominee."--Taylor Marsh.
As far as the "math" is concerned, Obama's delegate edge is invariably computed by including pledged SD (superdelegate) votes. That inflates and distorts the picture. We're assured that, come the convention, the SDs will base their votes on the delegate edge, and never mind that that edge already includes SD votes.
Anyone who doesn't see how that inflates Obama's delegate edge, please ask the nearest Math expert.
Now that the media has learned how comically easy it is to confuse the public, who knows what they'll pull next? Be very scared.
Yes, everyone knows that the computation of the total delegates to date includes superdelegates as well as pledged delegates from state primaries and caucuses. How is this a distortion?
The fact is that Obama leads in pledged delegates and also in superdelegates (who could, conceivably, change their minds at the convention, though that's unlikely).
The only part of the public that's been confused this primary season seems to be Clinton fanatics who just can't understand why their candidate lost.
Trust me, she didn't lose because of sexism. She lost because of her flawed character, her vicious "kitchen sink" strategy, her repeated lies, and her shameless pandering to each demographic fragment.
The right wing never liked her; now most of the rest of us have learned to dislike her. That hardly makes her the most "electable" candidate.
So we are to believe that some of these women would rather support a candidate who has openly advocated overturning Roe vs. Wade and who supports keeping troops in Iraq and fighting other wars, including with Iran?
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...
McCain is also against allowing women to file wrongful pay lawsuits in cases where they are paid less than male counterparts.
Yeah its hard to believe that can hate Senator Obama that much isn't it? I wonder what about him makes them hate him so much that they'd ruin the country because of it.
We're not going to be afraid of some Hillraisers! Let 'em go to McCain!
Obama '08
Yes. I suggest you do that. Vote for McCain and see women's rights turned back to the 1950's by a conservative Supreme Court that will be in place for yours and your daughters entire lifetimes. That will show those darned MEN who have done this to you. Those MEN will certainly pay the price when they won't be able to control what happens with their bodies after... oh wait...
Hillary voted to authorize the Iraq War. For mothers who have had to bury their children, military wives left to raise their children alone, the war vote was unwise. The wives of wounded soldiers are not as interested in putting a woman in the White House as they are electing someone who will make sure that our vets are cared for.
The old feminist arguments died when women started serving on the front lines as pilots, foot soldiers and commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hillary is out of touch with modern women. The real women warriors are dying in Iraq not battling imaginary enemies at home.
America will unite to bring the women in uniform home.
Over 80% of the American people agreed to go to war.....where do you hold them accountable?
like you have Clinton and those who voted for a resolution believing Bush would act honorably and finish the inspections;
What has Obama done for the veterans?.....here is one of many things that Hillary has done. "The Senate has approved the Dignified Treatment of Wounded Warriors Act, which contains provisions offered by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) from her Heroes at Home Act of 2007, Bridging the Gap for Wounded Warriors Act and Restoring Disability Benefits for Injured and Woun"ded Warriors Act, among others, to address problems facing our wounded servicemembers. The Dignified Treatment of Wounded Warriors Act was approved as a first degree amendment to the Department of Defense (DoD) Authorization Act, which is currently being debated on the Senate floor."
My nephew died in Iraq and his family is supporting Hillary because they admit openly that
they thought the war was the right thing to do but they also thought they had a leader that
would know how to run it correctly. It is not Hillary that is responsbile for Iraq as much as you all want to make her your excuse.....it is George Bush, Dick Cheney and company. It's time
to get over it, what is is and now we need to find a way out.
And why, exactly, was the war the right thing to do? Did YOU find any WMDs? Did YOU have evidence that Iraq was a threat to either the security or to the sovereignty of the United States? Can you justify the fact that tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children have died as a result of this unfounded war? And you WANT TO ELECT A WARMONGER to the highest office of the land?
I am very sorry to hear about your nephew.
However, there is plenty of blame to go around for this war, and Hillary has to share in that blame.
... and Obama has voted the same as Hillary.
Hillary "out of touch with modern women?"
Hillary has been working for women and families since before Obywan was out of undergrad.
America will unite to bring the women in uniform home.... when women unite to stop throwing Hillary under the bus.
What? Are we going to leave the men in uniform in Iraq?
Senator Clinton did great work for women and families when she voted against banning the practice of cluster bombing them. Why did she vote that way? I can never get an answer for that.
I made this argument in my column almost a month ago as a Huffington Post exclusive, not as the tail-end leavings from another blog.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-collis/the-case-for-vice-preside_b_97224.html
Essentially, the handwriting was on the wall then, both that Hillary would lose and that her Menopause Mafia would hold the party hostage. Of course, I was a bit more circumpect in my language
"And what I had previously considered to be the petulance of a few crank commenters on HuffPost appears to be a growing trend, as more and more Hillary supporters say that they will stay home or -- horrors! -- vote against their own economic self-interest once again and support McCain in November.
It is this last trend, and the additional bitterness (ooo, that WORD again!) that her final defeat will engender among her fans that most of all inclines me now to Hillary Clinton as a Vice-Presidential candidate"
JP
Regarding this "Hillary as Vice President" bs:
SINCE WHEN HAS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVER HAD A RUNNING MATE FORCED ON HIM?
As though Senator Obama has no choice in the matter.....?
As though hillary clinton must be appeased at all costs.....?
As though she has the RIGHT to foist herself, and her supporters, off on Obama simply because she can't get back into the White House any other way?
A vice presidential choice is as personal and important as selecting a spouse....And some of hrc mouthpieces believe they have the right to demand Obama follow their will?
What in God's name is wrong with some of you?!?!
What color is the sky in your world? This is politics. Many candidates have been unhappy with their VP's. It's a political choice, not an emotional one.
Just FYI. As a Hillary supporter, and not that I speak for all of us BITTER people from the "menopause mafia", but I still would NOT vote for Obama if Hillary was the VP.
". . . vote against their own economic self-interest once again and support McCain in November."
Are you trying to say we're responsible for Bush. I saw him coming a mile away in 1999. Bush never got my vote. BTW, I feel the same way about Obama.
So now Hillary Clinton's supporters want to blackmail her way to the Vice-Presidency!??!?!?!?!?! Hillary's own behavior and cheapshots have made it nearly impossible for Obama to select her as his VP and maintain ANY credibility whatsoever! From day 1, she could have argued her case on the issues, without questioning his fitness or whether he had crossed some imaginary Commander-in-Chief threshold --- which she emphasized McCain already had, by the way.
Hillary's old-style tactics and political baggage aside, having her on the ticket would validate every single attack she launched against him throughout this contentious primary season. By following a scorched earth policy with the nomination as the only positive endgame for her, Hillary has made it such that her selection as a candidate for VP would fatally undermine EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT of the Obama campaign for why he is the better candidate. She left no wiggle room at all!
And her supporters should understand that. When you put all the chips on the table and pull out all the stops, you have to be ready to walk away with nothing if the result doesn't pan out as hoped. Hillary saw no justification for holding back her Republican-style attacks on Obama because she was convinced of her inevitability but that is the consequence of burning bridges.
Ms. Marsh,
How do you define "respect"? What can the DNC or Senator Obama do to satisfy the angry Clinton supporters after her loss?
Do attempts to change the rules mid-contest demonstrate "respect"? Wouldn't fairness support first using the rules agreed to at the beginning of the process? If that fails, then both candidates should negotiate a fair way of settling any necessary changes. Unfortunately, your article offers no real suggestions about how best to proceed. What ideas would you put forth as a fair way of settling this matter?
Your article seems to suggest that nothing short of handing the nomination to Senator Clinton will satisfy you or those ardent Clinton supporters. If the people you describe in your article can vote against the policies they support to get behind a Republican candidate, how progressive are they?Senator McCain promises an even more conservative Supreme Court and all that that implies, the death of universal health care, and continued time in Iraq and possibly a new war in Iran.
If the suppoters of Senator Clinton will ignore the words of their own candidate against voting for McCain then nothing can be done to satisfy them. I agree that a lack of "respect" got us here - respect for the rules agreed to at the start of the nomination process.
This is what you get when your largest demographic is "least educated" voters. Taylor Marsh, the pied piper, leading women everywhere to the brilliant conclusion that John McCain will serve their interests. I can't wait to see how very proud these bastions of women's rights react when we add Scalia II, Roberts II and Alito II to the Supreme Court. How will these women feel when their daughters are told by doctors "this pregnancy is threatening your life but John McCain says I can't perform an abortion even if it means you have to die"? McCain just last month opposed the Lilly Ledbetter Act which would have ensured equal pay for women. No matter how you figure Taylor Marsh and her ilk justify this inane conclusion, there is no good spin. Either these women are too ignorant to educate themselves on the relative positions of the candidates or, worse yet, they are so vindictive and venomous they would knowingly set back women's right and issues just because they didn't get their way.
And what are the demographics of the Obama supporters who won't support Hillary if she wins?. Please don't lecture us about how we should stand up for reproductive rights. It's women like Hillary and her
supporters that worked their butts off to get them. We wanted to be sure our daughters were protected and now our daughters are basking in the light of an empty suit named Obama and telling us we need
to vote for him to continue these rights for them. If you want them, then roll up your sleeves and
get to work but don't expect the women you kicked to the curb to be stupid enough to do this again. Oh and if Obama becomes President, don't bring your buyers remorse to us.
Disillusioned Youth, actually.
Who we are winning in droves. It's a statistical trend that those that vote in their first two elections for the same party will be for that party for life.
For the first time in YEARS we are having a clear blue dem majority amongst youth, both female AND male, and Obama has _Skyrocketed_ that.
Capturing that vote is far more healthy for the party than capturing older women, who are already part of our demographic.
While I understand why Clinton supporters are angry, even Clinton will tell you, after it's all said and done, that the best thing to do is get the republicans out of power. For the first time since.. Hoover, Roosevelt?... we have the potential to have a clear democratic majority in house and senate, as well as a Democratic president.
How can one's own ego be more important than that? Had positions been reversed, and Clinton won all metrics that Obama had won, I'd be a very upset voter. It'd be hard for me to vote for Clinton, but I put the country before I put myself, and I put the party before my own ego.
"It's women like Hillary and her supporters that worked their butts off to get them. "
And it's men like McCain who will work their butts off to overturn them.
Your choice.
It's groups like NARAL, also, who have endorsed Obama because their focus isn't ONLY electing a woman, it is also ensuring reproductive rights aren't lost in a McCain presidency. Oh and if McCain becomes President, don't bother apologizing to your daughters for your supporting him. They won't be speaking to you. They will be starting from scratch at SQUARE ONE - right back where "Hillary and her supporters that worked their butts off" started. And you, gabby, will have been but one of the many women who set women's rights back.
The DEMS will have buyers remorse if they pick Obama, the 527's will destroy him. Obama has so much baggage with Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright and the WEATHERMEN TERRORISTS, but his wife will be his biggest problem. Obama and his wife are anti-white and anti-American, that is why they went to Rev. Wright's Church for 20 years and gave Wright $20,000 a year to help him spread his poison. Go listen to Obama books on tape, he has some real gems, like the line that says "I will stand with the Muslims if things get rough" and all his anti-white talk in his books, they will make great ads, and in Obama's voice too! I've also read a piece at NO QUARTER from Larry Johnson that was interesting, he claimed from 3 sources that the Repubs have tape of Michelle Obama complaining about "Whitey" at Rev. Wright's Church.
Obama supporters who won't support Hillary are at least smart enough to not vote for McCain. If you really want to register a protest vote, you could all write in Senator Clinton's name on the ballot. Be much more useful and you could really show your strength, that is if your movement has any strength.
Why don't you try to get some news somewhere else, but here, JackieW. Her largest demographic is not the uneducated, it's women. BTW the polls usually have her educated voters at 47% and his at 49%.
Unfortunately, women don't count for squat to the Party elite. So there's always forgotten about whenever "metrics" are computed.
It's not women, its older women. There is a huge disconnect between young women and the 50+ female voters. And uneducated voters in the democratic primaries OVERWHELMINGLY support Clinton. Check your cross-tabs.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Hillary Clinton played this game with Obama by giving props to John McCain on more than one occasion during her campaign and she lost. And now her supporters are threatening to go there and they will also lose, if the Democrats lose in the Fall.
If Obama loses, he will be fine. He will write some books, earn millions from speeches and live a great life with Michelle and his kids. Meanwhile the rest of us will lose affordable insurance, see more of our troops die in a frivolous war, have our rights as women taken away and don't think these newly appointed conservative judges will stop at women's rights. Minorities will get hit by these judges too and so will Gays. The rest of us will continue to live from paycheck to paycheck while the Republicans rule for another 8 years.
just wait .....i'm sure he won't be fine,but you have to show some patience,you know who laughs last right!
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