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Why We Shouldn't Compare Occupy Wall Street to the Tea Party

Posted: 10/08/11 04:02 AM ET

As I emerged from the subway to join friends at Occupy Wall Street yesterday, there was a boy, maybe 11-years-old, leaning over the railing with a scrawled sign, which declared, "No Rich. No Poor." He was there with a skinny Justin-Bieber-haired friend, whose small piece of cardboard read, "We are the 99%" written with a scratchy ballpoint pen.

There were surprisingly few tie dyes and no patchouli. Instead, the streets were filled with gray-haired professors, members of the sweetest of all labor organizations (go Musicians Local 802!) and mothers with strollers introducing their children to the possibility of change. They looked, you know, like regular folks.

Opinions were asserted with buttons and placards, with t-shirts and tubas. Ban fracking now. Eat locally-sourced food. We need jobs, not tax cuts. My favorite was a sign that read "I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one," a takedown of corporate personhood and the death penalty in one pithy swoop.

But through the noise, one clear message surfaces -- this sucks. The top 1% of the America control 42.7% of the wealth and that ain't right.

Much has been made of the similarities between Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party -- the passion, the messy coalition of ideas, the opposition to the bank bailout. Not surprisingly, the leaders of the Tea Party want nothing to do with the comparison, stating disparagingly "They're just unhappy people that don't know really what they want."

Sure, the nascent OWS movement is a bit of a grab bag, but at least the core ideas make some kind of human sense. Fairness, equality, community. Which is way more coherent than the incongruous and often-cruel ideas the Tea Party have forced onto the American political landscape.

For starters, conservatives seem to be really concerned about our unborn children, but won't help those same children out of poverty. And now Tea Party darling Sandy Rios (whoever she is) lampooned Obama's inclusion of birth control as a free insurance service by saying, "Are we going to do pedicures and manicures as well?"

So, preventing pregnancies is none of the government's business ... but terminating them is? It's an indefensible, visionless position almost as desperate as Michelle Bachman's evidence-free claim that the HPV vaccination causes "mental retardation." A term, by the way, that has long been considered offensive.

These are women waging war against women -- banning free preventive medicine, intervening in deeply personal decisions, and undermining a health initiative that could eradicate cervical cancer, which killed over 250,000 women in 2008. It makes no sense and it's just plain mean.

But there's nothing less coherent than the Tea Party's fuzzy romanticism of the founding fathers. As Bill Maher so deftly asserted, the drafters of the constitution were interesting weirdos, some of whom felt like it was totally cool to own other people. And in spite of that, they cobbled together a brilliant if imperfect set of principles with the hope that they would be improved by future generations.

At Wednesday's march, I saw Occupy Wall Street regulars who helped with crowd control, administered simple first aid, and were generally nice. Eric Cantor is worried about the "mobs" forming around America. That's sweet of him, but our mob was full of quick apologies when you were jostled, seventy-year-olds in sensible shoes, and an ad hoc brass band.

And, above all, it was held together by an idea as simple as the playground. Share your toys. Be nice to the new kid, even if he seems a little weird. And help the little ones who aren't as strong as you.

Yesterday, Amy Kremer, the chairperson of The Tea Party Express, likened the protestors to "a kid having a temper tantrum because their parents won't buy them the whole ice-cream store." Actually guys, I think the kid is just hoping for a single scoop.

 

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12:19 AM on 10/10/2011
Life isn't fair, go out and get a job. If you work your ass off you can make it in this country. If they want no opportunity have them visit some other countries and see how "fair" it is in other countries. Nobody owes you anything, the sooner you learn these fact the better off you will be.
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04:04 PM on 10/09/2011
Comparing the Tea Party to OWS is like comparing Dorothy the Dinosaur to Kylie Minogue, because they both sing and dance.
03:06 PM on 10/09/2011
The two movements must be compared. And to not see the areas of commonality between the OWS movement and the Tea Party is to miss the point as to what is occurring right now in the US political discourse.

On the grass roots level of both movements, you have people who see a great disconnect between Washington's policies on the ground and daily life in the U.S. - an erosion of civil liberties, a stagnant economy, a declining middle class and pedantic politicians of both parties who are more concerned with petty point scoring and raising money for re-election than actually doing anything to improve the lives of average Americans.

Certainly there are real and significant policy differences between the two movements. But to ignore the central tenet of both movements - that there is an erosion of our democratic freedoms and economic viability and that our political representative are doing little if anything to make it better - is to celebrate and to ensure the maintenance of the untenable status quo.
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04:33 PM on 10/09/2011
The TEA PARTY movement was not at all GRASS ROOTS. It was very well organized by the Koch Brothers and Conservative groups were using buses to bring them in to the events. no Comparison.
05:20 PM on 10/09/2011
You're missing the point. Both movements resonate with a large swathe of the American people. Both movements bespeak an enormous discontent with the vacuous nature of the political dialogue in Washington and with the miserable state of affairs of our economic reality.
12:21 AM on 10/10/2011
The unions and media are helping this one out so they are the same in that respect. Each party will try to take advantage as they always do. We need a true third party to hold each side accountable.
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uncle george
03:03 PM on 10/09/2011
If the government was smaller then they will have less power. If there was no one to control big money and big business that would make them stronger.
If big business and wall street plus the rich are bad now with a "Big"Government what would they be like with a "small"l government.
Do you really want an uncontrollabe.Wall St.plus Big Business to do whatever they please regardless what would happen to the average American
What do you think America would be like if big Business took over the complete control of America
If you took the power off the Government who could stop them Remember they think greed is good
America would be controlled by a Business Dictatorship. Good Luck to you and your children
Maybe the American Motto would be God Bless Big Corporations.America would be dead Democracy wuold have been killed by Capitalism. Slavery will be back.
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stevestrange
Wild like rock stars...Who smash guitars.
04:17 PM on 10/09/2011
Fantastic comment Uncle George...And that would be a very scary america.
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stevestrange
Wild like rock stars...Who smash guitars.
02:38 PM on 10/09/2011
Great article. The only comparison between the two movement's I see...Is both had people protesting and holding signs..That's about it. In my opinion , the "Tea Party" groups..Or the "conservative base rebranded." as I call them...Are a movement with heavy elements of racism, partisanship, and conservative ideology. The OWS folks welcomed union help..The "Tea Party" counter protested the unions in Wisconsin..When TP supporters run for office,..They run as republicans...They're mad at government..Not private industry...Well, as long as private industry does'nt accept help from the government.
yesiamaconservative
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02:33 PM on 10/09/2011
"Had it not been for the bailout, most of the major center banks would have been wiped out. This would have destroyed the fortunes of their shareholders, many of their creditors, and their top executives. This would have been a massive redistribution to the rest of society--their loss is our gain." - CommonDreams from the Nation Magazine

This is what OWS is protesting - the fact that a the "bailout" should not have happened as this would have hastened the redistribution of wealth they all seek.
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02:23 PM on 10/09/2011
This is the first article I've seen comparing OWS to teabaggers . . . probably because the two don't compare at all. Besides, OWS people are educated and have access to media other than the boob tube.
11:57 AM on 10/09/2011
What the "Occupy Wall Street " participants need to work on is organizing an amendment to the U.S. constitution (1) limiting congressional terms (2) eliminating lobbyists and pacs. Most of the corruption on/in banking /wall street arena(s) are historically due to "(wait for it)" deregulation. Deregulation by congress who are owned and manipulated by the lobbyists and pacs. The banking and wall street "barons" want to privatize the profits with no goverment interferenc. However, when things go horribly wrong because of deregulated greed and corruption, they want goverment (i.e the citizens) to bail them out. It's that simple.....
12:34 PM on 10/09/2011
See, it's this goofy stuff that accomplishes nothing. Stop wasting time with this crap.
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01:13 PM on 10/09/2011
"this goofy stuff?" Seriously??

I don't know about a constitutional amendment, but when I was down on Wall St last week, I made a sign that read, "Reinstate Glass-Steagall" on one side, and "Repeal Citizens United" on the other.

ya know, pretty much just what forricherforpoorer is talking about (who, btw, is right on the money about lobbyists, PACS, and deregulation).
02:06 PM on 10/09/2011
Given the current Political, Economic and Social climate(s) I don't believe this would be wasting any time at all. All 50 states in particular, and the world in general have been impacted by the "character" of the U S congressional member(s) for the past 50 years. Even your Citizens United main political goal is to stop corporate interference on congress and give back the power to the people. Corporations main "terrorist(s)" in this battle are the Lobbyist.....
03:19 PM on 10/09/2011
Limiting congressional terms is dangerous. Like most Americans, I agree that Congress is doing a dreadful job. But at least, in theory, there is some accountability. Limit congressional terms and you will have a rise of an even more unaccountable, faceless and entrenched bureaucracy responsible for the day to day workings of government than we have now.
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11:26 AM on 10/09/2011
I agree with the authoress, the tea party hasn't anything in common with occupywallstreet movement. The tea party gang blames the government for all the ills plaguing our society and are backed by rich yahoo's like the Koch brothers. They have managed to get their movement into government, see Cantor and Bachmann, which is a coup on their part because they have hijacked the government into listening and following their agenda. The occupywallstreet is truly an organic movement, it spontaneously erupted with young people out of work saddled with student loans and grew until now the unions across the board and others have joined. The key difference is that the main culprit is Wall Street, big banks and corporations. I think that they are speaking out against the socialization of corporate debt(we have to bail them out) and the privatization of public institutions(which makes us pay more to corporations). If you look at that scenario, the winner of both sides of the equation is the corporation not us, we are the loser on both sides. The tea party by going after the government only and not holding corporate America accountable keeps on accepting the losing side of the equation.
07:41 AM on 10/09/2011
" conservatives seem to be really concerned about our unborn children, but won't help those same children out of poverty " O.K. I had to laugh ....again ....what poverty
09:24 AM on 10/09/2011
Food Stamps, WIC, Medicaid, CHIPS, SSI, etc....
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10:53 AM on 10/09/2011
Yep, they'd get rid of every one of those programs...paid for by us, serving us, so their rich friends can take advantage of us.
10:57 AM on 10/09/2011
Sec 8 housing ....so are the folks who get all the above really in poverty ....they have a pretty nice roof over their heads ....lots of food .....medical care ....even cell phones now ....all provided by me ....now look at Haiti and real poverty ....now take what we call poor here in the U.S. transport them and their bennies to haiti ....how does our poor stack up to theirs ....I suspect that our poor in Haiti would be considered the fility rich ....and poverty is not relative as some might suggest
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02:09 PM on 10/09/2011
of course you laughed - I mean, what's funnier than children living in poverty??
04:31 AM on 10/09/2011
I especialy like the tone of the article. Not so much defining the movement from on high and more directed toward a shared understanding. Being lectured and pigeon-holed by the media wears thin.

While both the TP and OWS spring from dissatifaction with the status quo, I see a substantial difference between the two as the TP being faith based and the OWS as evidence based. Very few intellectuals riding for the TP brand.

This was nearly 100 years in coming, and I suspect it will take 50 or more years to sort out. Unfortunately I won't be around to witness the happy synthesis. It is good that young people are spearheading the movement, since it is their future at stake. Hopefully they can create the world they would like to live in.

My advice: Maintain solidarity and don't give up the fight.
07:43 AM on 10/09/2011
question what was the Tea Party protesting against again ....I forgot perhaps you could refresh my memory
08:26 AM on 10/09/2011
Against the big government that the .025%'s seem to want.
09:25 AM on 10/09/2011
and remembering our Constitution.
12:57 AM on 10/09/2011
All of the demands of the demonstrators are valid and real and what they are all asking for is the future which was stolen from them by Wall Street--with a great deal of help from the US government. These are the disenfranchised who have no hope of a future because of the greed of Wall Street and the government. This demonstration which is spreading across the US in many ways is the same kind of demonstration that took place in England and in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and the same that is being gruesomely crushed in Syria and Bahrain. What demonstrators are asking for has many names but they all are asking for a home, security, the future, and a possiblity for the pursuit of happiness.
07:45 AM on 10/09/2011
" in many ways is the same kind of demonstrat­ion that took place in England and in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya ".... really ....holy smokes I didn't know our government had sicked tanks and airplanes against the protesters ....is there a web site were I can send my condolences to the famlies who have lost loved ones or a small donation to help rebuild after our government falls
08:31 AM on 10/09/2011
What they are asking for is more handouts. If they want a home, security, and a future, they should WORK for it like the real 99% do.

This shows the difference between liberals and conservatives at the most basic level. Conservatives only want the opportunity to succeed, while liberals believe that if they cry loud enough, their wants and needs will be handed to them like a bottle to a baby.
12:01 PM on 10/09/2011
Many would work if corporations would hire people instead of forcing their existing work force to work extra so they can make more money.
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12:45 PM on 10/09/2011
I think that's what they are asking for - jobs. Have you actually seen their placards? A lot of the are about being unemployed. These are people who want to work, but the economy has been destroyed by Wall Street.
11:32 PM on 10/08/2011
Why did you say 250,000 women died of cervical cancer in 2008, when the website you linked to lists 4000 deaths? I agree with Michelle Bachman on almost nothing, and her "mental retardation" statement was stupid and offensive, but I do agree a parent should have the right to be notified and refuse a shot for a 12 year old daughter. The drug companies are pushing this, it's only effective for 5 years, it hasn't had enough testing.
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01:16 AM on 10/09/2011
The worldwide statistic for HPV deaths is over 250,000, which is listed on the site. But all factual catches are always welcome.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
11:02 PM on 10/08/2011
We shouldn't compare them because they are not comparable. The tea party is funded by right wing billionaires whilst this movement and the movements similar to them in local areas like I have participated in and anticipate to continue doing here in Minneapolis, are organic.
08:33 AM on 10/09/2011
Unions are organic now?
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
12:20 PM on 10/09/2011
They always were. They were the ones who built the middle class.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
12:22 PM on 10/09/2011
The Unions are NOT funding them. They joined with them because this is THEIR battle too as well as yours.
09:36 AM on 10/09/2011
Uhhh...the Unions are funding them. Besides, some of your "Wall Street" big money people supported Obama. If all of these so-called rich people are idealistically the same as Obama, they should be willing to turn their funds over without a whimper. Come on Hollywood....give your millions to the poor. Fix the world!
hellinahandcart
Your silence will not protect you.
09:58 AM on 10/09/2011
The Unions are not funding them. Some of the unions said they supported what they're doing, and then did a march w/ them. Stop lying.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
12:22 PM on 10/09/2011
They are not funded by the Unions. The unions simply joined the protest since they were under attack by Republican governors.
08:37 PM on 10/08/2011
"....than the incongruous and often-cruel ideas the Tea Party have forced onto the American political landscape."

So what is cruel about wanting people to stand on their own two feet? Our citizens continue to become more dependent and "soft" (according to Mr. Obama). My job as a parent is to teach my kids to be self sufficient and able to take care of themselves (and family). At times it has been a tough process, but all have taken the next step. Most of the time it appears that the government encourages our citizens to be "soft" and dependent. That helps no one.

So as a Tea Party member, I support free markets, freedom and MUCH less government. You can give a man a fish, or teach him to fish. I've taught my kids to fish, and they've done it their way.

Oh and we weren't paid, didn't receive free food/beverages, we supplied our own transportation and if necessary, lodging.
08:59 PM on 10/08/2011
We should start a "Stop Paying Taxes Movement" I am about an inch away from
NEVER paying income taxes again. My reasoning is by not paying taxes I will not
have to worry about my money funding ILLEGALS anymore. WE DO HAVE POWER!!! it's
called our pocket books. If the Crackheads in our Govt. can't or refuse to spend
OUR money responsibly as it was intended then they shall not get mine to spend.
Maybe then they can pay for what they want from their own pockets or the
illegals pockets. I'm sick of the Govt. abusing OUR money by using it for their
own personal agendas or by giving it to people who are invading MY country.

WHO IS WITH ME? CAN I GET AN AMEN?
09:54 PM on 10/08/2011
I'll give you an amen. But I'm more afraid of the government than I am my spouse or Terrorists. The government can imprision you, assassinate you or take all your possessions. So I don't trust my government, and I truely fear them.

I would prefer use the TP and WSO movements to change the tax codes to a flat tax and consumption tax. I believe it would make our tax system fair, make it easier to comply with, make everyone pay, and eliminate the loopholes/subsidies/deductions that enable corporations like GE to avoid taxes (legally).

Thus I support Mr. Cain for President and certainly some version of his 9/9/9 plan.

In the meantime, I'll give you another Amen!
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09:55 PM on 10/08/2011
Amen.
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10:22 PM on 10/08/2011
here is what is cruel about the tea party:
--Sen Christensen (R-NB) wrote bill to legitimize murder of an abortion provider by classifying it as 'justifiable homicide'. Ditto for South Dakota.
--In Georgia, poverty and hunger skyrockets, so the state imposed a food tax in order to fund a brand new corporate tax cut
--Sen Cunningham (Missouri) proposal to eliminate child labor laws and allow businesses to employ children 13 years and younger, with no restrictions on the required number of hours to be worked
--In Tennessee a bill called Material Support makes it a class A felony to discuss incidences of terrorism at gathering of a religious group, specifically Muslim.
--In Kentucky law just passed to create a 'sanctuary state' for coal, where it is safe from environmental law
--In Iowa, new state law allows businesses to legally refuse goods, housing, or services to gays
These are just a few of the hundreds of laws being rushed through at the behest of the extreme right wing tea party.

Yes, I see these as cruel, as heartless, paranoid and mean-spirited regarding the citizenry; and irresponsible regarding the environment we all have to share.
10:56 PM on 10/08/2011
I think making people dependent upon the government is cruel, and outweighs anything else. I'm not sure what the TP has to do with some of these things. If Mr. Obama doesn't stop bashing business and successful people, we will all be on food stamps, but unable to fund it.

The EPA is like the IRS, out of control and the EPA is doing things that were not approved by legislation. I've seen the blackmail and strong arm tactics by "the environmental" agencies. They need to be stopped.

There is nothing paranoid about the government working towards controlling everything.