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Redefining luxury: White House 'limo' rides plummet

Posted: 06/17/2012 10:24 pm

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In these troubled economic times, it is perhaps not surprising that the federal government is a bit touchy on the question of just how many limousines it owns and operates. But now it turns out that even defining a limousine is a complex topic worthy of a government memo.

Just over a year ago, based on information in the annual Fleet Report issued by the General Services Administration, the Center for Public Integrity reported that the number of limousines owned by government agencies rose 73 percent from 2008 to 2010, to a total of 412. It was clear from the responses of government officials that a limo increase was not something the Obama Administration was anxious to take credit for.

In fact, at the time, a GSA spokeswoman asserted that the limo numbers in its own report were not reliable. "The categories in the fleet report are overly broad, and the term 'limousine' is not defined," she said. The spokeswoman concluded that GSA "cannot say that its report accurately reflects the number of limousines."

It's now come to light that six weeks after the story ran, the GSA sent a memo to federal agencies with new guidance on what -- exactly  what -- constitutes a limousine.

According to the memo, some agencies had reported vehicles that weren't so classy --even shuttle buses--as limos, which a GSA spokesman said skewed the 2010 numbers.

A limo, the GSA memo states, "is a vehicle with a lengthened wheelbase, generally driven by a dedicated driver" with possible customization, including "privacy panels" and stretching for capacity and comfort.  "Vehicles, including shuttle buses, without the aforementioned characteristics should not be reported as limousines," the memo says.

The memo seems to have had quite an effect.  Last month, the agency released its annual fleet report for 2011, and predictably, the number of government limousines plummeted, all the way down to 158,  from 2010's 412. That's a drop of 62 percent.

Hillary Clinton's State Department appears to have had the most trouble adding up its limos back in 2010. That year, the agency reported 259. In the 2011 report, the total is down to just 50.

In response to questions about its 2010 numbers, the department last year told the Center that it defined limousines as vehicles that carry VIPs, rather than the type of car, but also said its large armored fleet was in proportion to the number of diplomats serving in "high threat environments." 

Under the new limo criteria, the Department of Homeland Security shot to the front of pack in 2011, with 106 limousines.  A DHS spokesman said the agency's limos are owned by the Secret Service, which is under the agency's umbrella.  Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said the agency uses the vehicles to "transport dignitaries, people we are required by law to protect."

The DHS total was followed by the State Department's 50, and one at the Department of Justice. The Navy was the only limo gainer in 2011, adding a single car to its fleet.  A number of agencies and departments that reported limousines in 2010, including the Army (18), the Agency for International Development (6), the Department of Interior (3), the Department of Veterans Affairs (1) and the Environmental Protection Agency  (1), reported no limousines for 2011. 

Leslie Paige, a spokeswoman for the nonprofit watchdog group Citizens Against  Government Waste, questioned whether the GSA simply fixed an accounting error or is trying to drive down the number of limousines in its report for political reasons.

"I would never make the mistake of underestimating their ability to be incompetent," Paige said. "Whether there is something more -- wink, wink, nod, nod -- here, you just can't know.  I can see if the [definition] issue is between a town car and a limo. But not shuttle buses. It doesn't make sense." 

GSA officials concede that the new definition of a limo makes it impossible to compare the number of government limousines over time. "Going forward," said GSA spokesman Adam Elkington, "the data will be much more accurate from year to year".

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02:18 PM on 06/24/2012
So it's not a limo, but an SUV with a bar? So Leon Panetta doesn't take a limo with him on the airforce transport he flies from washington to california everyweek, it's actually a shuttle bus with a refreshment stand..Well I guess you need a bus if your bringing 100 croonies along for the ride.
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dwwill
Liberal Free Zone
10:40 AM on 06/22/2012
What hypocrites these adminstration officials are. When people are out of work and losing their homes, they still feel like the deserve to be pampered. Renaming what you travel in only makes you look like you're trying to hide the fact you lie. Democrats don't care about the working man, the longer ther poor and unemployed vote for them, the longer they will continue being poor and unemployed.
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Mark S Raymond
I like facts. Got any?
09:53 PM on 06/19/2012
Defining limousine by the type vehicle it is rather than the type of passengers it carries? Bold move

“In response to questions about its 2010 numbers, the department last year told the Center that it defined limousines as vehicles that carry VIPs, rather than the type of car…”
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maxfax
Taa - dah!
03:47 AM on 06/19/2012
What happen to all those security concerns?
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11:54 PM on 06/18/2012
Not surprising, wht would Obama ride to the golf course in a car when he can take the 'Copter' or AF1.
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exile
06:57 PM on 06/21/2012
oh
like...
WHT WOOD OBAMA DUE
good job jeb
11:17 PM on 06/21/2012
Not sure - due you agree??
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glpur1
reluctant revolutionary
11:44 PM on 06/18/2012
Typical feds! Unemployment too high? Redefine what constitues "unemployed" and exclude anyone you think may have stopped looking for a job. Whala! The number of people out of work increases but those who are "Unemployed" goes down. "Cost of living" to high? Take food and fuel costs out of the calculation and WHALA! "cost of living" increase drops to zero. Number of self important bureaucrates riding in "limos" getting too high? Looking bad? Just redefine "limo" and WHALA! Obama actually reduced the number of "limos"! Nothing in Washington really changes. They just "redefine" and it sounds like change. I guess in the end it all depends on what "is", is.
Just keep those taxes coming suckers...er, I mean "citizens".
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Fodder-wing
Perspective is everything.....
05:50 PM on 06/19/2012
god you're good! I can just hear our departed brother, George Carlin, delivering this on stage, growling and bringing down the house................... He said, to confirm your thesis, "By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth." Guess we could cry, but let us laugh right now.
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glpur1
reluctant revolutionary
10:06 PM on 06/19/2012
Thanks for reminding me of probably the greatest philosopher/comic of our time. I really miss his biting observations of modern political idiocy and his incredible mastery of the english language. He'd have a such a field day today with such an abundance of political double-triple-quadruple speak. He was the best! I miss him...
11:44 PM on 06/18/2012
Does the Prez take the limo to play golf? He just played his 100th round. And I don't hear any of you lefties squawking about it.
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maxfax
Taa - dah!
03:49 AM on 06/19/2012
Republicans played a lot more golf than this POTUS does by far.
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Mark S Raymond
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09:44 PM on 06/19/2012
“And I don't hear any of you lefties squawking about it.”

I’ll squawk when I care or Obama’s number of vacation days exceeds Bush’s. Whichever comes first.
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lcpnr
American conservative
11:35 PM on 06/18/2012
bo should ride green bus
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lcpnr
American conservative
11:14 PM on 06/18/2012
It depends on what your definition of is is-
Lynette
Liberals have a lot more fun!
11:12 PM on 06/18/2012
America is broke yikes...remember all of those action movies when the president pulled up in a shiny black tinted car? Well now he shows up in a beat up pick-up truck or even worse an orange pinto.
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andycooke
I'm just here for the yummy
10:41 PM on 06/18/2012
As long as they are American made and American modified I don't have a problem with it. If any haters want one perhaps they can run for--and win an office. It is one of the perks of high level public service.
10:22 PM on 06/18/2012
Doesn't Nancy Pelosi have a big jet that we pay for? Everyone in our legislatures should be in their own vehicles except the President.
02:29 PM on 06/24/2012
Yes she flies home to california on a private jet provided by the government. Leon Panetta flys home eveyweek on an Airforce transport with about 100 aids and takes his limo with him. That cost the taxpayers about 36,000 dollars an hour. Figure 10 hours round trip times 52 weeks a year times 4 years in office, his weekend trips home have cost taxpayers 75 million in the last 4 years..Didn't Obama say he was going to cut waste?
CrustyCSM
the liberals nightmare
10:02 PM on 06/18/2012
Did Bill Clintons laywer write the response of how many limos there actually were?? Sounds it.
But hey..... after the WH Hip Hop BBQ it became evident that there werent enough limos to ferry the Hollywood elite around town. Thus the addition of 73% more limos....
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09:14 PM on 06/18/2012
The can ride in the front of the bus now, so take a bus to work.