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Thom Hartmann

Posted March 1, 2009 | 05:12 AM (EST)

Should Gitmo Be Used for Those Who Raped and Pillaged our Economy?


Years ago, reporters for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer are reporting this week, the FBI knew that home mortgage scams were being perpetrated by banks all across the country. They told the Bush Administration, and were denied agents or resources to pursue their cases.

Two years ago then-New York Governor Elliot Spitzer tried to prosecute banks - along with governors or attorneys general of all 50 states - for just these types of crimes and the Bush administration used an obscure Civil War era law to stop him.

Today we learn that the very hustlers who helped destroy our economy, the so-called "investment bankers" at Morgan Stanley and AIG (who have gotten billions of our taxpayer dollars in the recent bailouts) will be getting their bonuses this year, to the tune of $1.13 million in cash for the 400 brokers at AIG.

But while they should be denied their bonuses, the criminals for whom we should re-open Gitmo are Phil Gramm, John Boner, and the other Republicans who changed laws reaching back to the Republican Great Depression of the 1930s to prevent exactly these types of scams.

Reopen Gitmo! Get it ready for the Republicans!

Thom can be heard daily on his radio show 12pm - 3pm ET visit www.thomhartmann.com to stream live or find a station near you.

Years ago, reporters for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer are reporting this week, the FBI knew that home mortgage scams were being perpetrated by banks all across the country. They told the Bush Admi...
Years ago, reporters for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer are reporting this week, the FBI knew that home mortgage scams were being perpetrated by banks all across the country. They told the Bush Admi...
 
 
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:43 AM on 02/02/2009
Yes, and while you are at it throw Sanford Weill in with Phil Gramm, as well as Robert Rubin.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
01:54 AM on 02/02/2009
There is Plenty to go after on Wall Street!

THEY ALL SERVE ON EACH OTHERS BOARD OF DIRECTORS (see link below and track for yourself)

Not one Elite Big Banker has gone to JAIL!

Have any CEOs been Fired (Thain was redundant in BofA)?

The reason these guys stay in their jobs is they all serve on each others Boards of Directors and that should be illegal.

They vote on each others Salaries and Each others Bonuses so that is a primary reason Boards of Directors have become useless Rubber Stamps in this theft from Wall Street Banks. Business Week offers a way to drill down and see how "CROSS-SERVING" these executives are. See:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/board.asp?symbol=BAC

These guys are not only ruining their Own Banks by creating Toxic Products but they and their thousand underlings are taking massive incomes from the Banks and leaving them near Bankruptcy, and of course, America is hurt as a result!
04:21 PM on 01/31/2009
Don't use Gitmo. Cuba & Mejico have a lot worse jails that we can rent cheaper. Slap them into those slammers, not a country club like Gitmo.
04:12 PM on 01/31/2009
Stocks confinement in Central Park would be a suitable punishment.
05:36 AM on 01/31/2009
Give 'em Hell, Thom... because hardly ANY of the "Democrats" (besides Kucinich, and maybe today Claire McCaskill and a few others)** can even be BOTHERED to spell out JUST HOW CRIMINAL the Rethuglican agenda is.... how EXTORTION, MONOPOLIES, CORNING the markets, and, when all else fails, EXTORTING UNCLE SAM for BILLIONS upon TRILLIONS.... because THEY, the Masters of Disaster, are "indespensible" !!

** (i.e. the Pelosi/Reid/Hoyer/Rockefeller/Schumer/Feinstein/et-al bunch, who know that THEIR bread is buttered, no matter how bad they allow Republicans & Wall Street Loan-Sharks to wreck the economy.)
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:46 AM on 02/02/2009
Don't forget Bernie Sanders--a frequent guest on Thom's show.

Bernie "gets it".

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/09/22-6
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wendynyc
It's about time!
07:36 PM on 01/30/2009
I dont know about Gitmo - but shouldn't someone go to jail for bringing on such a disaster on all of us?
07:33 AM on 01/30/2009
This is completely over the top. There is--or should be-- no place in our system for locking up one's political opponents, no matter how passionate one is about one's own beliefs. No one should tolerate this kind of talk.
10:38 AM on 01/30/2009
"Political opponents" ?????
More like criminals, thieves and law breakers extrordinaire !!!!!!
By the way, perhaps nows the time for a 2nd american revolution?
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
01:56 PM on 01/31/2009
I agree with both of you. I have thought for years that if Americans could just get off our tired, stressed and defeated butts and march on our politicians, the fear factor alone would suffice. And yes, where did the lines between legal and not get drawn with these people? And look at who drew it.....
11:04 AM on 01/30/2009
Since when is stealing a political opposition issue? Common people who set out to embezzle from banks are prosecuted and sent to prison--I know, as a 1st cousin of mine had that exact experience many years ago [her husband was the chief of police, and that still didn't save her from prison].

We have, through protectionist legislation, insulated our biggest criminals from prosecution, be they financial lords or political kings.

Our great nation of laws has FAILED to protect the most vunerable and has made the health and wealth of the high and mighty its primary function.

When the citizenry of a nation finally realizes that en mass, then all rules are suspended--including the high-minded notions you present in your comment.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
06:06 PM on 02/02/2009
"Equal application under the LAW" must be reinstated and used as there has never been a bigger PONZI Scheme than the one used by the Big WS Banks to create $450 to $700 Trillion in Toxic Paper when our GDP is only around $14 Trillion or 42+ Years to grow out of it.

The Harm done certainly is good reason for a Sound Investigation and if appropriate prosecution.
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karela
02:07 AM on 01/30/2009
Gitmo should not be given to Cuba because it would become housing for political prisoners. It should never be a prison again. It should be used to do something good for humanity with a staff that is international and completely transparent in it's work. And before they do all that, representatives of every love based spiritual tradition should be sent to pray to cleanse it of all the anger and despair and cruelty that cling to it--------including shamans. The place needs to be exorcised of that energy and then used for something that will be good for all humanity.
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SCG
10:16 PM on 01/29/2009
Thom,
I was looking in google and came across this article, which you might find interesting.

" We Are All Keynesians Now " - TIME magazine Dec 31 1965

excerpt:

"Today, some 20 years after his death, his theories are a prime influence on the world's free economies, especially on America's, the richest and most expansionist. In Washington the men who formulate the nation's economic policies have used Keynesian principles not only to avoid the violent cycles of prewar days but to produce a phenomenal economic growth and to achieve remarkably stable prices. In 1965 they skillfully applied Keynes's ideas—together with a number of their own invention—to lift the nation through the fifth, and best, consecutive year of the most sizable, prolonged and widely distributed prosperity in history.

By growing 5% in real terms, the U.S. experienced a sharper expansion than any other major nation. Even the most optimistic forecasts for 1965 turned out to be too low. The gross national product leaped from $628 billion to $672 billion—$14 billion more than the President's economists had expected. Among the other new records: auto production rose 22% , steel production 6% , capital spending 16% , personal income 7% and corporate profits 21%. Figuring that the U.S. had somehow discovered the secret of steady, stable, noninflationary growth, the leaders of many countries on both sides of the Iron Curtain openly tried to emulate its success. "

Link : http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,842353-1,00.html
10:04 PM on 01/29/2009
Thom, such conviction and passion. Quit listening two years ago for lack of same. Interesting facts you bring up. But i wonder two things 1) was that your point at the end? and 2) did l miss the clarion call announcing all this when it would have been useful for the public to know? Maybe I'd quit listening by then.
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Samalabear
08:14 PM on 01/29/2009
And, yes, Gitmo is perfect for the Wall Street bunch. Fuld has been in the hot seat, some of the gang from Bear Stearns. Don't know what's happening with those cases. Thain, yes, he would look great in a suite in Gitmo -- couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Did I say suite? If we did the right thing they'd all have to sleep standing up.
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Samalabear
08:11 PM on 01/29/2009
And the Bush Administration ultimately brought Spitzer down. It's a shame Spitzer had something that would bring him down. He was good. First he went after Glaxo Smith Kline and then Wall Street.
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dctackett
07:42 PM on 01/29/2009
I agree, tax back their bonuses, send them to Guantanamo and make a naked human pyramid of them.

It's Treason... they can have Guantanamo or Death Row.
05:30 PM on 01/29/2009
So if you knew that the laws in question were put in place to prevent future financial harm to the government and/or its people and you worked to remove those laws, fully aware of the potentially catastrophic consequences to the country and its people, how would one classify that act?

Treason [tree-zuhn]

noun
1. a crime that undermines the offender's government
2. disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
3. an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery]

Thom, you're one of the few audible voices of reason and I regularly cite your post on the similarities between the run-up to the last depression and this crisis. We hear you, keep up the good fight.
05:00 PM on 01/29/2009
Ohh Thom...The recessions come and go but you want to throw a trillion dollars filled with pork....The Democrats are the ones who propped up AIG with billions because that is where their pensions are..The Democrats are the ones along with ACORN and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who forced lending institutions to shell out to all especially to those who could not afford in a perverse form of affirmative action.... FRANK and DODD should share a cell with Blago....FDR screwed up and 1937 was worse than 1929 so he couldn't wait for WWII .... For two years the Dems have been in power and did nothing ..
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jorge4u
http://mittromneyflipflops.com/
06:01 PM on 01/29/2009
Your post clearly shows that you have no idea what you are talking regarding AIG. AIG does not hold any congress or senate pensions. The United States Government handles that. Get your facts straight.