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Are Polls Junk?

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Given the sheer volume of polling data made public every day, and given that there sometimes seems to be a lot of variation in what the polls say about individual races, it is not surprising to hear doubts expressed about the overall quality of political polling.  Charlie Cook, for instance recently expressed  a preference for candidate or party-sponsored polls and a skepticism of "independent" polling, even referring to academic polls and those sponsored by local media as "dime store junk."  At the same time, though, polls are pretty useful in predicting outcomes.  In earlier posts, I've shown that both House and Senate outcomes track very closely with aggregated polls, and Nate Silver also touts the predictive power of polls, using them as a central component in his forecasting models.

My point in this post is not to sort out which types of polls are more accurate than others, though that might come in a later post.  Instead, I'm interested in looking at the average rate of polling error.  Although there are a lot of things one could look at to judge the quality of a poll (question wording, sampling method, etc.), my guess is that most people focus on the bottom--how close the poll finding is to the election outcome--when judging trial-heat polls.  For better or worse, this is likely to be the case.  Toward that end, I examine the error in Senate, House, and gubernatorial polls taken in the last fifteen days of the 2006 and 2008 campaigns.
The histograms below show the distribution of polling error across offices and years.  In all of the figures, I compare the Democratic percent of the two-party vote result to the Democratic percent of the two-party poll result.   Data for all of these graphs come from pollster.com.
To be sure, there are differences across years and across level of office, but the overall picture is not one of wildly inaccurate polls.   Some of the key findings are:
  • The statewide polls in Senate and gubernatorial elections are generally more accurate than district-level House polls.  House polls in 2008 had the highest error rate.
  • Most polls (90% of Senate polls, 88% of gubernatorial polls, and 81% of house polls) are within five points of the actual outcome.
  • Overall, the election outcomes fall within margin of error of individual polls 79% of the time.  Theoretically, this should happen 95% of the time. 
One thing to bear in mind, though, when looking at these error patterns, is that the deck is stacked somewhat against at least some of the polls.  I used a fifteen day window to make sure I had a large number of polls for each year.  One consequence of this is that many of the polls are being compare to an outcome that occured several days after they are conducted.  Assuming that there is at least some real movement in vote intention during this time period, one might expect a greater discrepancy between polls and votes than what is reported above.
 
Given the sheer volume of polling data made public every day, and given that there sometimes seems to be a lot of variation in what the polls say about individual races, it is not surprising to hear d...
Given the sheer volume of polling data made public every day, and given that there sometimes seems to be a lot of variation in what the polls say about individual races, it is not surprising to hear d...
 
 
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11:45 PM on 10/19/2010
I don't want pollsters calling me on my cellphone!!!!! Most people I know won't answer a call on their cellphone if they don't recognize the in-comming number. I never do. If a poll-taker reaches me in person, or on my landline, I lie to them. Try it, it is fun!!! Polls are crap. Only votes should count. I also don't believe for a second that things are as dire as we are being told for the Dens. It is all malarky, and kaka.
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09:13 AM on 10/09/2010
Polls are not only a joke, but dangerous and a source to try to rob our election process. Just because they have the word poll attached does not mean that they are not biased or have an agenda.
I live in NE FL and a registered Democrat and only recieved one call during the primaries. I was at a jewelry party last night and the home owner is a registered Repub and the phone would not stop ringing!!!! from all the polling co. What a joke!!!!! The news media should stop reporting this gar bage!!!
02:26 AM on 10/09/2010
Poll of 100 -3000 people are a joke. they should not be the gospel on TV and radio. The corporate poll changes hourly. Dems 2010 for 100 seat or more!
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justalurker
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04:25 PM on 10/07/2010
What stands out to me is that in each case, the 2008 polls show more big errors than the 2006 polls. One possible explanation is the much larger than average youth turnout in 2008 thanks to obama. This simply reinforces the idea that polls are still behind the times in polling cell phones and youth. Last time someone pointed me to a poll that was supposedly both cell phones and landlines, it turned out it was still 80% landlines.
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cheronda88
11:52 AM on 10/07/2010
The thing I have learned about polls is this: When they favor a candidate, they are good things. When they favor the opponent, they are ''snapshots in time''. The media, both liberal and conservative, are showing polls all day long. If a candidate is 2 points behind today, their opponent is going to win by those scary double digits. In a special election held in my town last Saturday, the guy who won was 7 points behind in a poll on Friday! So much for polls. Polls don't vote. People do.
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
11:10 AM on 10/07/2010
Democrats have to hope that polls are bunk this year!  It's their only hope!
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gschear
Max Baucus: What's in your wallet?
06:18 PM on 10/07/2010
We'll see. But the expectation now is so high for a Republican sweep that anything less is gonna seem..well you know..like a loss.
02:29 AM on 10/09/2010
The expectations are from the corporations,who stands to gain from Repubs. Like deregulations for unsafe coal mines and oil rigs.
09:36 AM on 10/07/2010
There are problems with polling
1 .most people don't understand them
2. they are reported dubiously by the media.
3. polls depend on land phone lines and the younger voters (and often the older ones!) don't have land lines.
There is one young man that seems to read the polls right....and dang, I can't remember his name....he is on MSNBC often. Black hair, black glasses, and is nervous on camera so, doesn't smile much.... dang.... help! I know one of you know his name...
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cheronda88
11:55 AM on 10/07/2010
Could that be Nate Silver of 538.com?
11:59 AM on 10/07/2010
YES ---THANKS!
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gschear
Max Baucus: What's in your wallet?
06:19 PM on 10/07/2010
Nate Silver is now doing 538 for the NYT.
09:30 AM on 10/07/2010
Not only are polls wildly inaccurate, they discourage folks from voting by giving the impression that their party either has no chance or will handily win. Obsessive polling and undisclosed private financing are destroying our elections! GET OUT AND VOTE, PROGRESSIVES!
03:41 PM on 10/07/2010
TERRIBLE COMMENT. While I, too, am sad that progressives are going to take a beating this cycle, I'm not going to run around claiming that we should provide voters with less information about the objective state of things. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Did you even read this article?
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Traynor
Oh....nooo! Empty Biooo!
12:44 AM on 10/10/2010
How rude! Many polls are hardly what could be considered objective. I think uglygnome has a very good point, and it hasn't been lost on Rovian politicos. Perhaps yoiu slept through 2004 and 2000 elections?
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Steve Davis 1
moderate with convictions, techie yet curmudgeon
10:25 PM on 10/06/2010
Not so much the polls as how they are presented by cable news, often totally misrepresented.
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way2sunny
11:56 AM on 10/06/2010
What is going to be the new method for polling in the future? At some point they have to figure out a way to include people who don't use land lines. I haven't had one for years, and can count on one hand the number of people I know who do, most of them are older.
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Bike Commuter
No More Hurting People
11:23 AM on 10/06/2010
The biggest problem with polls is not whether they are accurate. There are a few polling companies and organizations that are less accurate, but a well conducted poll is generally as accurate as can be scientifically expected.
The problems with today's polls are in two main areas, special interest polling that is intended to skew results, and improper interpretation of results.
1) Special interest - When a poll is commissioned and paid for by a special interest, it is usually to "prove" a point. One example was a poll by Zogby for a conservative radio host. The supposed purpose was to "test knowledge" of Obama voters. In reality, the questions were selectively chosen and biased to present only the case the customer wanted to show. These types of polls offer little or no useful information. They are intended to influence public opinion, not gauge it.
2) Improper interpretation - I have seen many instances where polling companies draw conclusions that are not supported from the data. One example was the so-called "ground zero mosque". I have seen interpretations that indicate certain numbers of people oppose the mosque. However, many of the polls did not gauge the level of opposition. There were plenty of people who only thought it was a bad idea, not that the construction should be blocked. This kind of misinterpretation can be a huge problem, because so many people do not take the time to look at the actual numbers. They read a headline and a little bit of text and think the numbers say something that they really don'.t
05:14 PM on 10/05/2010
you used a polling company to determine whether polls were accurate. absurd.
07:23 PM on 10/05/2010
No, he looked at polling data and compared to election results. Basic analysis.
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Bike Commuter
No More Hurting People
10:38 AM on 10/06/2010
What bothers me is not that people can't understand basic analysis of polls. It is that people who don't understand feel qualified to criticize the thing they don't understand.
The author looked at several polls to examine the trends. He did not use "a polling company". He used math.
01:06 PM on 10/05/2010
Probably worth asking the question, "how many elections are decided within five points." You could immediately follow that question with another question, "why would I need to see poll results for elections that are going to get decided by more than five points?"

I think my point is made?
07:25 PM on 10/05/2010
First question: more than you might think. There will be a lot of competitive races this year, especially in the Senate.

Second question: how would you know it was competitive or not unless you saw a the poll? And races do change over time. Competitive races become runaways, and vice versa.
09:20 PM on 10/05/2010
Right, let me be clear: if "more than I think" will be closer than five points and the polls are within five points, then they're basically crap, right? If they can't get closer than the margin of decision, they're not worth much.

And as to the second, if it's not going to be close, you know.
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VTya
youcan'tfoolallthepeopleallthetime
12:22 PM on 10/05/2010
Ignore the polls and the biased corporate media ... just go out and vote in November. Polls are a part of the misinformation and propaganda!
05:15 PM on 10/05/2010
true. faved. it's manipulation - plain and simple.
07:27 PM on 10/05/2010
Except, as the evidence shows, polls do a reasonably good job of predicting events. So then they aren't really misinformation.
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sharonh
Abstaining won't kill you, but why take the chance
12:05 PM on 10/05/2010
"Nate Silver also touts the predictive power of polls, using them as a central component in his forecasting models. " Predictive power as in able to sway undecideds towards a particular platform because of what they may believe is inevitable due to polling data, because that is really the only potential power in polling as far as I can see. Poll numbers will never be representative for subjective reasons. Right now the liberals are too angry with dems to side with them but would never vote current teaparty or republican, I see a dem win coming in both houses and, when I am right, what is my prize? Magic eight ball?
07:29 PM on 10/05/2010
There's no evidence that polls push voters one way or another, especially since so many are ignorant about them in the first place. But the can be both representative and have strong predictive power if they are used correctly.
03:47 PM on 10/07/2010
What about the possibility of people NOT voting because the polls show their candidate with an insurmountable lead?

The pendulum swings both ways, sweetheart.

At the end of the day, there are more reasons to vote than "I want my candidate to win." What about civic duty? Exercising your hard-earned freedom to express your opinion, even if it not in line with the majority view?

Not to mention the fact that closeness of elections impact fundraising and candidate quality in subsequent cycles.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS TO VOTE no matter what the polls say.