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Tim Berry

Tim Berry

Posted February 9, 2009 | 02:01 PM (EST)

Credit Crunch: Is Your Business Getting Squeezed?


It should be a simple question, right? How bad is the credit crunch for small business? Here we are, having just passed a huge national stimulus bill and heard Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's outlines for his economic strategy.

Will the stimulus work? For whom? And what about the new treasury bank plan?

With these questions in mind, please join me in collecting some real information on how small businesses are fairing when they apply for a loan. If you own a small business, take a couple minutes to answer a few short questions here. To understand how this will shed light on the current credit crunch, take a look at these results from my prior survey.

With due respect to some prominent groups and business reporting (which you can get here, for example, from the Wall Street Journal, or here and here from this blog), most of the public voice of small business seems to be either "we want our bailout," "what's in it for us?" or predictable rehash of last Fall's election campaign; taxes, tax breaks, health care rules, and so on. You do see the stimulus debate bogging down into partisan politics, already, right?

As a business owner, with 40 employees and 25 years in business, I don't see a credit crunch as a political football. It's businesses not started, businesses not growing, and businesses failing. 

  • Take the businesses not starting: in a good year this economy generates somewhere between half a million and a million new businesses, and if we don't have that flow going -- and for the last few months, we don't -- then a lot of people who would have jobs don't; and a lot of people who would have been self employed aren't. 
  • Many businesses need financing to survive. Just to put numbers to it, a business that sells $5 million a year through retail channels probably needs about $2 million in borrowed money just to support waiting for channels to pay up. That's just one example, but a real one, one that I've lived through out in the real world.
  • Some businesses need financing to grow. Investment is notoriously scarce these days as angel investment and venture capital are both cutting back, but there are still new ideas and new opportunities.

With it all, though, the SBA cut back drastically last year, and the general feeling is that banks, despite the recent bailout, are generally making things harder for business borrowers, not easier. And if that's true, it's not politics, but business; and it's bad news. And yet, I hear from one banker friend that there's a small boom going on (apparently in mortgage refinancing, though, not business loans); and, in the interest of full disclosure, my own business had no trouble signing a new credit line earlier this month. And earlier today I talked to Joel Prakken of Macroeconomic Advisors, who had just released the latest ADP job figures (which are bad, again). Joel says he hears a lot of worry about credit crunch as he talks to businesses around the country, but more worry about rates than worry about not actually having loans approved.

Which serves to highlight the real question: how is small business doing with the banks after the meltdown? Or, if you prefer, after the bailout?

Help answer these questions by taking this survey or sending it to friends who own a small business.

So I'm asking small business owners to join me in this poll about the credit crunch. It's following up on what we started a few weeks ago we asked small business owners to share their experiences here with a simple poll on what they're seeing after the meltdown. That was a pretty bleak picture; more so when you combine it with the blog the meltdown feature that preceded it.

In this case the idea is to get specific about the credit crunch. Small business owners: have you applied for business credit? Was it approved, or turned down? Have you not applied because you didn't think you'd have a chance? Let's see if we can get a better picture of what's really going on out there.

Please click here to take this poll.

 

It should be a simple question, right? How bad is the credit crunch for small business? Here we are, having just passed a huge national stimulus bill and heard Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's outlin...
It should be a simple question, right? How bad is the credit crunch for small business? Here we are, having just passed a huge national stimulus bill and heard Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's outlin...
 
 
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Hdaryl01
12:49 PM on 02/18/2009
Yep. And, I personally would put the beginning of this at the end of 2006, start of 2007. I got a funding commitment at the very end of 2006 (November), I received the first half and purchased a building with it February1, 2008. The other half was never funded, and my bank reneged on it. Notwithstanding that this funding commitment had been used to apply for and receive state and local participation in my new business project. Nothing changed. In fact, we were continuously AHEAD of our projections. I kept getting strung along for months, and months. Even a letter from my attorney threatening litigation, and calls from the state and local folks had no effect. There either was simply no money, or they were more worried about their situation, than litigation.
12:37 AM on 02/18/2009
I work for a medical practice. My paychecks vary, based on the number of claims received from insurance companies. Lately, my paychecks have been really small. I'm thinking that the practice is taking money from the employees checks to keep the business afloat. It's that bad. This business was doing well a year ago.
12:14 PM on 02/18/2009
You just work for a succulent employer. That's all. Get a real job where you are not being exploited.
10:35 PM on 02/17/2009
I work for an educational cooperative and do vocational assessments on disabled students to assist them in obtaining employment after high school. Because of the costs of gas and the economy, poorer counties were able to send fewer students to be tested. Fewer services for disabled children who will need every assistance in order to be independent.

I pray that the stimulus reaches our disabled.
05:47 PM on 02/17/2009
Credit Card companies are gouging us.

We live in a world that we are dammed if we do and dammed if you don't.

It seems to me that the banking industry is pushing people to struggle.

This is accomplished by gouging americans with credit card fees.

Visit - http://www.TheCreditCardAct.com
12:15 PM on 02/18/2009
No credit company is gouging me. I don't use them. Neither should you.
sandiegoconservative
Surprisingly refreshing and undeniably delightful
05:24 PM on 02/17/2009
I run a small consulting and legal business. My biggest change has been my decision to cut healthcare plans for my epart-time employees. I carried health care plans for all of my employees, even part timers, and it was a PPO and not an HMO at that, with competitive rates. Due to the continuous rise in taxes to do my business and the passage of the start of socialized medicine, I am tired of not really making a profit and instead providing healthcare for everyone. So, I will spend that money instead on paying off some company debt and saving the rest for when I close up shop someday soon.

I also made the decision to cut one person from my staff, instead of reducing the hours for everyone else. So, I cut the most junior person, who had a serious attendance and work product problem for about 6 months now. In exchange, each of my part timers picked up 5 more hours per week, and I was able to save a little cash for expenses on top of that. My reward for doing the right thing? He filed a post termination Workers' Compensation claim against me.
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DanceRat
10:31 AM on 02/18/2009
Well, you just admitted you laid him/her off because of financial issues, the attendance and work performance issues being secondary. Unless you have write-ups filed for this person, you may have difficulty proving that it was performance issues.
sandiegoconservative
Surprisingly refreshing and undeniably delightful
04:05 PM on 02/18/2009
Oh, I have all of that. I am not worried about the WC issue. I kept him on for quite some time, despite the issues, because he is a Californian who has a job. My choice in cutting him was to trim the dead wood in the office, increase hours for others, who do work hard, and save a little. It was both a personnel and financial decision.
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Zillacabra
Fighter of the Nightman. Champion of the Sun.
04:32 PM on 02/17/2009
Not so much squeezed as squashed. I am closing my retail store at the end of the month - fortunately I was able to find a new tenant and end my lease, which went through 2012. Last month was the worst - I only had enough sales to cover 20 percent of my rent. Last year I only grossed enough to pay 10 months of rent. I had to dig into my own pockets to pay employees and bills. My wife and I did not earn a single cent from our retail business last year. Now I'm sitting on $40,000 of inventory (all paid for) that I have to figure out how to get rid of.
04:00 PM on 02/17/2009
We're in the computer repair business in Virginia and Washington DC. While our volume is generally steady, we are seeing a lot of our fellow business owners strapped for cash. A lot of our small business clients that need computer repair are either closing their doors or moving their businesses back to their home. We are currently offering our own stimulus package for small businesses. The way we see it - we all need a working computer to operate our businesses. Computer repair is essential in continued productivity. If you need a computer repair and are out of a job, or having to downsize - we will handle your computer repair for free.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
03:08 PM on 02/17/2009
lost job 2 weeks ago my husband said the company could not get funding

so no more natural gas wells will be drilled by him

losing gas rigs fast in Colo, and Utah company had 20 rigs drilling for gas now has 8 that,s just one company heard Canada shut there drilling down 2 months ago from my friend who lives there .

so does that mean were going to have some problems in our energy sector regarding natural Gas

I would think they would want natural gas could be supply is down with so many biz,s shutting down

all I do know is there are a lot of people getting laid off in Utah and Colo industry wide water truck drivers to rig managers and every thing in be tween and yes we have now joined the unemployed
03:04 PM on 02/17/2009
Yes our business is getting squeezed. Although we are not dependent on sources of credit (yet), all of our clients are. They are having trouble getting extensions of lines of credit to offer their customers for the purchase of their products. This will slow down orders for our services. Most of these companies have had substantial, profitable, credit lines for years and years.

The end customers are obviously have a harder time and making our clients sales more costly. At some point between rising costs of doing business and difficult access to capital, something has to give.
02:28 PM on 02/17/2009
Small business, restaurant. People can't afford to eat out as much. Food prices up and down and I tell you what really sukked about the bush years. Having to throw out all my tomatoes and having none for a few weeks while his gutted FDA went around chasing ghosts. Endless beef recalls kept me on constant edge to make sure none of my suppliers were involved in the the recall dujour. I don't use any peanut products so the latest bush FDA debacle didn't catch me in it. If you own a small business involving food, times are tough on more than the straight up business front.
02:21 PM on 02/17/2009
Business is great--up about 20% compared to the first two months of 2008.

American Express is putting the squeeze on the business, not my clients. AMEX is the nastiest piece of work in the financial industry--have been for the 30+ years I have used plastic. The only reason I got an AMEX card for travel was it was associated with SPG (Starwood Preferred Guests) and the points were valuable to me.

AMEX unilaterally and without prior warning reduced the line of credit on the card last fall--no big deal, since I pay it off in full most months--AND eliminated the service that allowed me to withdraw up to $2000 cash from an ATM in the form of a cash advance, by reducing the cash advance limit to $200. That made the card literally useless to me as a business travel card.

Reason? No reason given. On request, I was told that my spending habits resemble the spending habits of people who default, so even though my personal record on payments was 100%, I would pay for guilt by shopping association.

Hey AMEX, you suck.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
02:46 PM on 02/17/2009
same thing here only they canceled us after reducing many times card was always paid in full every month

go figure
03:07 PM on 02/17/2009
Same here - looks like there are lots of us
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etcetc
03:19 PM on 02/17/2009
they don't want you to pay of the balance every month. they want you to carry a balance so they can charge you interest.

in other words, if they have 700 billion to lend, they would rather lend it to someone who pays ack slowly because then they make interest on that money.

i had my home equity line of credit taken away because i was not using it. same concept.
02:48 PM on 02/17/2009
I'll second that about AMEX. Our line of credit was frozen despite having excellent credit in general and an excellent track record with AMEX. That was money we'd planned to use to hire another employee. Now, no new employee and I cancelled the credit line. Way to go, AMEX. Maybe you should take the word "American" out of your name, because you're sure not acting like you give a crap about America.
02:12 PM on 02/17/2009
Business owner for five years, and my credit and company have gotten better every year, my balances paid down to zero. During the last quarter of 2008 I had companies like Chase and Advanta pull my access to credit, which was bad for business. But then they also reported information that was wrong to the other companies, which has pulled my credit and raised my interest rates with other companies. My lawyer says it is illegal, but they are doing it anyway. For a business like mine, barely hanging on, barely in the black, it doesn't do me any good to be proven right 2-3 years down the road. Now I hear these companies that screwed over so many others like me (there are support forums, search for Advanta: small business) are getting free money. It makes my blood boil over.

We need low interest consolidation loans pronto!!!
DIdaho
Born in the Air Force (Texas), moved to Idaho in 1
01:55 PM on 02/17/2009
I've been in small business (printing) for 30 years, and from my perspective I've always been frozen out of any decent credit markets. With the huge changes in the industry over that time (copiers, color printers, desktop publishing, automated presses and platemaking, to name a few) I've always had to finance new equipment, often before the older models were paid for. I haven't been able to get conventional bank financing since 1978 for any of it - banks were interested in bigger, sexier deals and I've had to lease virtually everything at rates that average (when you consider buyouts, etc.) 300% any "going" bank rate. As a result, I don't think the current credit crisis directly hurts me. If anything, it helps, since my many years of borrowing (with personal guarantees, another "benefit" of being small) has given me an excellent credit rating. Now that the "big boys" won't pay anymore, banks are actually interesting in loaning me money at low rates.

Where it does affect me, though, is that much of my client base is involved in real estate, tourism, or construction, directly or indirectly - so my volume is down nearly 50%. Since I don't have accumulated debt, I might be able to survive at that rate, but not indefinitely.
12:30 PM on 02/18/2009
Yes, my experiences are exactly the same as yours. Loans were never easily available even though good credit and business longevity was there. You are right the shrinking client base is the problem for people like us. I think however that we will find the downturn a little bit easier to live with psychologically because no one ever did much for us anyways.
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AMERIKA
Husband, Parent, Sibling, Business Owner, Progress
01:55 PM on 02/17/2009
I run a small health care business. We rely on insurance company payments and a few out of pocket payments too. We usually operate at about 80% capacity, but since November, we are operating at about 60% capacity. I have not yet laid off any staff, but I am thinking about doing so. This week, we learned that even though we submitted our charges to the insurance company that we are a major provider for (80% of our patient load), they did not process any claims last week. What this means is that this week, a payroll week, we will be unable to meet payroll without withdrawing from savings. It also means that I do not get paid for work I have already done. Its true that I have accounts receivable, but my business relies on cash flow. Here is the problem, I am unable to get a line of credit to account for fluctuations in cash flow. I used to be able to do so, but not any more. If the situation does not improve, we are going to cut back on our staff. We are already cutting back on our other expenses and we have asked our landlord to reduce our rent by 40% - I doubt they will, but our building is emptying out with one business after another going out of business.
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somsoc
All humans are atheists at birth.
01:46 PM on 02/17/2009
My wife, a good buddy and I had a great little promotional products business. We did real well until last year and in November we simply shut it down. Thanks to the Reagan/Bush economic mess, thanks a lot.