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Tom Matzzie

Tom Matzzie

Anti-War, But Supporting Obama on Libya

Posted: 03/28/11 12:37 PM ET

The beginning of U.S. and NATO military attacks on Libya came as a surprise to most Americans -- not least anti-war and pro-peace voters like myself who have supported President Obama as a candidate and now as chief executive. I was at the start, and remain, deeply concerned about the path the president is choosing.

There is a strong anti-war case for staying out of Libya. These kinds of No-Fly Zones always end in troops on the ground. Intervening in a civil war is almost always a miscalculation of the situation on the ground. The American system of checks and balances does require congressional authority for the use of war powers. Adherents to traditional foreign policy logic would argue that there is no specific U.S. national interest at stake in the outcome of the Libyan uprisings. We seem to have entered the conflict without an obvious exit strategy already in place.

But I have come to believe that the alternative would've left many of us asking: why did we let another massacre of civilians happen again?

I believe that there is a pro-peace case for intervention in Libya based upon our responsibility to protect innocent civilians. If you are a pacifist this argument will never be satisfactory. But if you believe there are limited circumstances in which military force is necessary, this may be one of those circumstances.

The reality, which has yet to be explained directly to the American people by the president, is that the Army loyal to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi was racing across the Libyan Desert intent on killing all of the rebels who have taken control of the Eastern part of the country and invade the opposition's capital city in the Libyan port of Benghazi.

Gaddafi was promising a bloodbath -- threatening, in essence, to murder the families of thousands of rebel fighters. On the eve of the United Nations Security Council resolution vote, the lunatic dictator said that, "We are coming tonight... We will find you in your closets... We will have no mercy and no pity."

When the U.N. voted and the U.S. decided to lead the coalition, Gaddafi had the means, motive and intent to murder thousands unless somebody stopped the Libyan Army's offensive. The president decided to stop that military attack on civilians. The question that President Obama was given was this: is this a genocide about to happen on my watch? Does the U.S. let Benghazi become another Srebrenica?

In Srebrenica, Serbian forces and paramilitaries murdered more than 8,000 Bosnian men and boys in July of 1995. The prosecutor found that even male babies were killed. It was the largest mass murder in Europe since World War II. The mass killing was followed by the forcible removal of nearly 30,000 women, children and elderly. This was after a United Nations Protection Force failed to stop the invasion of the town.

This was not the first time the international community has wrestled with these issues. President Clinton stated that the failure of the international community to intervene in Rwanda was one of the biggest regrets of his presidency. More than 800,000 people were killed in the 1994 Rwandan Genocide.

Gaddafi's threat to the civilians in Benghazi was and is very real. The city of some 700,000 is the capital of the opposition Libyan government. Early during the rebellion, mercenaries were sent by Gaddafi to kill opponents of the regime -- murdering them and destroying their homes. Before the Gaddafi-loyalist mayor was driven from the city he was given the nickname, "The Executioner." More than 200 protestors were killed during one anti-government protest.

These events happened so quickly and with so little explanation of the facts on the ground that I had to go back and read newspaper accounts that I had missed.

While protecting civilians is the pro-peace case for the intervention, it is not a cut and dry issue. We have yet to see the international community successfully carry out a military intervention like this without greater commitment of troops and money.

The precedent is bad because the U.S. and the international community will not intervene in every rebellion against a dictator, probably not even every rebellion that threatens genocide. It is hard to believe that a U.S. president or the international community will agree that the responsibility to protect civilians trumps national security or traditional definitions of vital interests yet. Nor is there any clear exit strategy for the international community from Libya.

Complicating matters is that Libya is in a state of civil war. Civil wars are the worst possible place for a foreign military intervention. Often the divisions are along ethnic or tribal lines that are barely understandable by even astute outside observers. Victors will seek retributions that can be as horrible or more horrible than those they suffered.

In Iraq this manifested as sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia. The war, which was an American-led invasion and occupation, broke the Iraqi state, plunged Iraq into civil war and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians have died in that war, according to some estimates.

Libya could descend into a similar pattern of attacks and retributions if either Gaddafi or the rebels win, although at least in Benghazi the new civilian opposition leadership of the city seems to be acting with restraint. The uprising seems to be routed in the new Arab democratic movements that swept Tunisia and Egypt.

Increasing numbers of observers believe that the most likely outcome is a stalemate with rebels in the East and Gaddafi forces in the West. This leaves more unanswered questions. Would there be a border between the two sides? Would there be a demilitarized zone? Or would there be a constantly shifting front line? What is the human toll of that war?

It is hard to see how this stalemate doesn't happen. The rebels don't seem to have the strength to defeat Gaddafi and the dictator continues to benefit from a base of loyalist support. Even if Gaddafi exits it isn't clear that ends the conflict. Saddam Hussein was captured, tried, convicted and executed; yet the war raged on in Iraq.

So with all of these Libyan quagmires on the horizon what exactly is the pro-peace case for the military intervention in Libya? It comes down to this: assuming a civil war is inevitable, stopping certain massacres and protecting civilians is the priority, even knowing that you have to figure the rest out later.

It is an unsatisfactory answer but the sad truth is that once the rebellion started, and Gaddafi decided to stay, the likelihood of any good outcome to the whole episode probably evaporated.

The uncertain future -- the quagmire -- is what is so unsettling now. In this regard the president's strategy becomes compelling. If we can build a real international coalition, at least the U.S. has an exit strategy even if others stay. That has to be a U.S. goal now.

But even then the case for a pro-peace military intervention balances on this unspeakable moral question: would the prolonged civil war be more costly to civilian lives than allowing the Libyan Army to enter Benghazi? We risk terrible hubris to try to address that question, but the answer is that you must try to both stop the massacre and then the stop the prolonged war.

That is the decision that was made by President Obama. Whether it will save lives is something we must hope for. For now, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a limited intervention with the goal of disabling Gaddafi's ability to wage war on the Libyan people.

While I can make this case for a U.S. military intervention to save lives, there are important roles to be played by opponents of the decision.

Congress should assert its authority over war powers and ask tough questions about the policy and the costs. That is a necessary part of the American system of checks and balances.

Anti-war and pro-peace constituencies should ask the tough questions and agitate for non-violent solutions.

Republican opponents should make their case (hopefully without partisan aims). Let the American people hear all the arguments.

In fact, we should have a national debate about Libya -- the human cost of war is too high to happen without debate.

In the end though, the decision is more clear-cut than it looked from afar: the U.S. acted so that Benghazi would not become another Srebrenica.

I can support that.

 

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12:36 PM on 03/30/2011
If, as you say, "there is a pro-peace case for intervention in Libya based upon our responsibility to protect innocent civilians.", why have we not used it in Somalia?  We have allowed the people there to be tortured, raped, and murdered and have removed UN aid workers due to the degree of violence.  If, as the current president states, our inaction would be a stain on the world, why has he not sent military support for the people of Somalia? 

OTOH, maybe the Libyan "intervention" is just being done to soften up public opinion so that they will favor "intervention" in Iran.
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paxatman
Do no harm, Help others.
12:27 PM on 03/30/2011
Compassion and empathy, I am sure, were first and foremost in our President Obama's mind and heart when he pondered his involvement in Libya.

More proof of the worthiness of his Nobel Peace Prize.
09:40 AM on 03/30/2011
The libyan rebels don't have the ability to defeat Libyan security forces and Libyan army. They don't have the planning and organizational capability. The only way Gaddafi would have left was on his own accord by losing the support of people around him. Before the rebels became really violent, Gaddafi's supporters were defecting. When the rebels started their mini-war, the defections stopped, when US started bombing, the defections in the west reversed, and realistically no one really knows if the rebels enjoy full support even in the eastern Libya anymore. The bombing has done one more things, made the differences between two sides even more vivid and deeper, causing real mas.sacres by both sides. There were no chance Gaddafi was going to mas.sacre people in Benghazi. But now if his forces enter Benghazi, they will destroy it. So this war will cause considerably more civilians kil.led. War is evil, nothing good comes out of wars, not even the ones started by Obama.
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TheTightwireGuy
Attempting to balance reason and passion
04:29 PM on 03/29/2011
I agree with this blogger. The challenge of this situation is that it's one where significant values conflict and nuanced judgement becomes necessary. But such nuanced positions are difficult to appreciate by those who want to think under the comforting blanket of absolutism, such as anti-war, fiscal conservatism, or anti-imperialism. Because our politicians use similar arguments to justify foolish wars, fiscal irresponsibility and imperialism makes it difficult to distinguish when the situation calls for doing that which is against the absolute standard. But the distinctions can be found when the respective horrors of action versus no-action are weighed.
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12:37 PM on 03/30/2011
Which is why we have remained uninvolved in Somalia; right?
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TheTightwireGuy
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11:04 PM on 03/30/2011
Go watch 'Blackhawk Down' to get an idea about why the US should not be attempting to police all of the world's civil conflicts. And especially Somalia.
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Si1ver1ock
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01:00 PM on 03/29/2011
This is a preventive war you are punishing someone, Gaddafi, for what you think you think he might do not for what he has done. As far as threats go, how do you threaten people in a nice way?

You also conflated Protesters with Rebels. The Rebels looted some Libyan armories. How are you going to get those weapons back without going door to door and checking a few closets?

Why is Gaddafi crazy? Are you implying our politicians are sane? How can you tell?

Who is protecting the civilians from US forces in Iraq or Afganistan?

Very loose reasoning.
09:07 PM on 03/29/2011
Everything is equivalent! Gaddafi saying we will have no mercy, that's fine. Gaddafi having hundreds of non-violent protesters shot dead, that's fine. Having people sniped as they leave funerals, that's fine. Because in the U.S., they occasionally arrest people who protest! And at one protest in the 70's, some 18 year old soldiers fired on some 20 year olds at Kent State. See how it's all the same?!

Oh and surely this guy won't do EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS and murder people!

Very loose reasoning.
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09:25 PM on 03/29/2011
You also are conflating Protesters with Rebels.

If you want to know how America delt with Rebels:

Look here-->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_March_to_the_Sea

If you want to compare apples to apples, try looting an American armory and see what happens.
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11:54 AM on 03/29/2011
"Oil companies fear nationalisation in Libya

Western oil companies operating in Libya have privately warned that their operations in the country may be nationalised if Colonel Muammer Gaddafi’s regime prevails.

Executives, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the rapidly moving situation, believe their companies could be targeted, especially if their home countries are taking part in air strikes against Mr Gaddafi. Allied forces from France, the UK and the US on Saturday unleashed a series of strikes against military targets in Libya.

“It is certainly a concern. There are good reserves there,” said one executive at a western oil company with operations in Libya.
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“We have lost some of our production [because all operations have stopped] but our bigger concern is what will happen to the exploratory work as that gives you a future rather than the immediate impact,” he added.

Most of the world’s large international oil companies have producing assets in Libya, including Spain’s Repsol, France’s Total, and Italy’s Eni, which is the largest single investor there. Germany’s Winstershall – a unit of BASF –and OMV of Austria are also present."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67d1d02a-5314-11e0-86e6-00144feab49a.html#axzz1HuG9EEKT
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12:40 PM on 03/30/2011
Informative post; thanks.
ALABAMALEFTIST
What is to be done?
11:34 AM on 03/29/2011
What is left to debate. The action has been taken. We are back to this 19th century notion about my country right or wrong. As the author notes, there are loyalists and rebels. The loyalists were winning and threatened to kill the rebels as tends to happen in war. The rebels were threatening to kill the loyalists. Our government decided to become the air force for the rebels because our country and the Kings of Arabia want the rebels to win. To try to characterize this as some kind of military/humanitarian peace mission which just happens to involve air bombardment and missile strikes on ground troops from a bogus "no fly zone is something of a stretch. This action goes past preemption to another level of imperial hegemony. It is quite likely that no good will come of it. If success is perceived it will doubtless arouse the less humane and human aspects of our national identity.
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01:13 PM on 03/29/2011
There are political rammifications. Barney Frank and Ron Paul tried to cut NATO. Now, suddenly, NATO has a new reason de etre.

The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down"
10:56 AM on 03/29/2011
I'm sorry, but I don't want to hear any argument for going on there, when the reasons given are the EXACT same reason as could be used to send us into Darfur...the only difference is, the slaughter in Darfur took huge numbers of lives compared to Lybia.

If you use your reasoning we should also be in Syria and Bharain as well as Darfur. What about Burma? How about Ivory Coast? etc... Sorry but no sale.
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12:41 PM on 03/30/2011
Hear, hear.
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10:39 AM on 03/29/2011
I would have a lot easier time buying into the Libya argument if I had seen action in the Democratic Republic of Congo and in Darfur based on the same humanitarian grounds of protecting innocent civilians. We did not. The differences? Darker skin and no oil.
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CarlIII
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09:55 AM on 03/30/2011
I am so sick of hearing about Darfur this and Congo that. This was not the USA unilaterally attacking a country. We did that in Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Viet Nam, Cambodia, Nicaraga, Lebonan and others. This was done by the UN security council with France and England leading the way. We struck Kaddafi's forces in the nick of time. Which was the right thing to do. If the president had done nothing and Kaddafi had butchered half a million people. You would be adding Libya to your list of "Massacres" that America let happen.
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12:43 PM on 03/30/2011
But the US did not push for intervention in Darfur and the Congo by the UN.  If they had, perhaps things would be different for the people there. 

As for your being sick about hearing about Darfur this and Congo that, I pray for your non-speedy recovery.
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10:02 AM on 03/29/2011
The author "is former Washington Director of MoveOn.org Political Action where he led U.S. campaigns to end the war in Iraq."

MoveOn's record on NOT opposing the Iraq War is disgraceful.
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12:44 PM on 03/30/2011
MoveOn often doesn't.
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06:32 PM on 03/30/2011
From a 2005 article by Norman Solomon:

"Sadly, it has come to this. Two years after the invasion of Iraq, the online powerhouse MoveOn.org – which built most of its member base with a strong antiwar message – is not pushing for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. "
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mike dougles
07:05 AM on 03/29/2011
All we are sayins is give war a chance.

Never really anti war just anti Bush.
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04:32 AM on 03/29/2011
The West does not bomb the likes of North Korea and Iran which possess nuclear and chemical weapons so Gadaffi might have survived had he kept his stockpiles. Libya also demonstrated that the West dithers so tyrants have a window of opportunity to crush rebellions if they retain sufficiently large forces to massacre at speed. Lastly, Egypt and Tunisia showed that unless you have the West by the shorts, like Saudi Arabia, there is no point in being a loyal friend because Western loyalty is an oxymoron.
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12:45 PM on 03/30/2011
Well, if we are going to bomb "the like of North Korea and Iran which possess nuclear and chemical weapons, don't you think we need to include Pakistan, India, Israel, and Russia in that group?  After all, they possess those weapons as well.
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03:55 AM on 03/29/2011
So I guess this time war *is* the answer?
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waldopepper
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05:11 AM on 03/29/2011
Sadly yes! Sometimes (like the Australian kid of recent youtube fame) you have no choice but to stand up to the bully.
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CarlIII
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10:12 AM on 03/30/2011
Fanned you. If Obama had done nothing, The same people who are condemming him now would be screaming for his head for letting all those peole get butchered. I watched MSNBC and CNN yesterday and it was obvious that the MSM is against the UN intervention. No matter what he does the republicans are against it. The ones that were screaming for intervention 2 weeks ago have flipped their position.
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12:46 PM on 03/30/2011
Surely, you jest.
03:18 AM on 03/29/2011
Tom, Please. You don't know what you are talking about.
The reason Obama chose this opportunity to go to war is because he knew that the French and Brits would back us wholly because of their dependence on Libyan Oil. It was also an opportunity to do what Obama always had hoped to accomplish militarily and in the arena of foreign policy-relinquish the role of lead actor in the world. By pushing and "Internationalist" approach to the Libyan action, he can hand off the leadership to the UN and NATO and get closer to his vision of creating a world where America does not lead-but is merely one of many nations on equal footing.

Obama does not believe in the exceptionalism of America. He wants us to be just another equal partner on the world stage.
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waldopepper
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05:09 AM on 03/29/2011
"Obama always had hoped to accomplish ... he can hand off the leadership to the UN and NATO and get closer to his vision of creating a world where America does not lead-but is merely one of many nations on equal footing."

This is your theory, or Glen Becks? Why would he want this?
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gsmp
What the ????
09:45 AM on 03/29/2011
I don't believe in American exceptionalism! It's a crock! People are people, and EQUAL! That's what this country was founded on, not "my doG's better than your doG!"
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02:47 AM on 03/29/2011
You do your stance a disservice by presenting such a comprehensive and compelling list of reasons why it would be sensible to abort this military escapade.

I think that you covered all of the bases: the fact that to the west, not all genocides are seen equally, the fact that the removal of Ghadaffi may not end the war, the fact that the human cost of our intervention may ultimately be higher than the numbers killed in Ghadaffi's proscriptions, the fact that our precedent for sticking to limited goals is pretty bad, the fact that the best we can optimistically hope for is a stalement, and the fact we lack a clear exit strategy.

We can add to that list that this war may very well make us more enemies than friends among the Muslims and Arabs, and that with our economy stagnant and our military overstretched, this is hardly the best time to expand operations into another country.

Still, even when confronted with all of this information, it's not easy to casually brush off a civilian massacre as it happens right beneath our noses...I think I see why the President had such a difficult time reaching his decision. I certainly can't say off the top of my head what I would do; I'll just hope we stick to our time table and that this all ends as well and as quickly as possible.
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12:48 PM on 03/30/2011
Civilian massacre?  Numbers, please.
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02:19 AM on 03/31/2011
Sorry, I screwed up my syntax....I should have put "it's not easy to casually brush off a civilian massacre about* to happen right under our noses" instead.