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The Growing Impossibility of Interfaith Dialogue

Posted: 10/14/2011 10:57 am

I just returned from the 2011 meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative. It is an amazing gathering that brings together heads of state, some of the richest people in the world, people in the field of entertainment and the arts, along with the movers and shakers in the world of the media. It was with great anticipation that I attended the session that dealt with interfaith dialogues. I was hopeful that I could gain some direction as to how I, as a Red Letter Christian, could facilitate constructive discussions across religious lines.

At this seminar, I found that there were bright and gracious people from most of the major religions of our time. There was a strong representation of Muslims, Jews and Christians. While other religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism had limited representation, there were enough present that their voices could be heard.

Those at the gathering represented the voices of moderation from these various religious traditions, and that was the problem. By the end of the meeting, I had the sense that we could all stand together, holding hands in a circle, and sing "Kum Ba Yah." There was a good feeling and sense that we were all committed to encouraging a better understanding across religious lines, and also committed to finding ways to work together to create a world marked by peace and harmony, on the one hand, and an end of oppression and poverty, on the other. The unacknowledged elephant in the room was that the problem was not with the various segments of religious communities that were there represented. The problem was (and we are reluctant to talk about it) that in each of these religious traditions there are fundamentalist extremists who will settle for nothing less than the annihilation of those whom they believe to be competitors in the marketplace of religious ideas and forms of worship.

Christianity isn't the only group that has fundamentalists. We are well aware that in every one of the religious traditions there are extremists groups, and little was said as to how to establish communications with these groups so as to facilitate non-destructive modes of behavior that would leave room for deep commitments to the core beliefs of the respective faith traditions, while finding common ground wherein a unified humanity could be established. There was a failure to see that in today's world, the voices of moderation are becoming fewer and fewer, while extremist groups are growing in size and are flexing more and more political muscle. It should be obvious to those of us who are Christians that the reality is that attendance and membership for mainline churches is in rapid decline, whereas fundamentalist churches are growing in size and significance. It is also obvious that similar tendencies are evident in other religions. It is imperative in a world in which religion is increasingly the basis of militaristic conflict that communication be established with the growing sectors of fundamentalist communities so that a dialogue that creates understanding and respect for those who differ becomes an ongoing reality.

Among the issues that were not discussed, but should have been discussed, is the fact that in several Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, interfaith dialogue has become impossible. Muslims are allowed to share their faith with Christians, but Christians are not allowed to share their faith with Muslims. If Christians dare to do this, they risk their lives. There is even the possibility of capital punishment in sharing one's beliefs with Muslims. Little was said about what each group of moderates in that room would be able to do to diminish the extremism in their respective religions.

What is especially important is addressing the question of how religion can be enforced through political means and what can be done to create a political environment that, on the one hand, acknowledges the role of religion in society, while on the other hand does not impose one religion on the populace at the expense of all others.

It has been said that people never do evil with more enthusiasm than when they do it in the name of God. Samuel Huntington, the Harvard political scientist, predicted that unless something is done about the problem which I have cited, the 21st century will be marked by religious wars and, because of the instruments of war that are now available, will be the most deadly and ferocious of all time.

I am looking for suggestions on what we can do about extremists within our own society. They cannot be ignored. Edmund Burke once said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. It is important that people with deep commitments to their own spiritual traditions figure out ways of connecting with the extremists within their faith orientations and get the discussion going as to what love and justice require for their religious brothers and sisters and those brothers and sisters in other traditions.

 

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08:37 PM on 11/01/2011
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In these groups, you are apt to find very well informed people on the subject or religion, but we are all, every one of us, outsiders in America. If you think we are not, ask yourself who possibly could run for high office anywhere in the United States who is an atheist? An agnostic might fare better, but how many professed agnostics are senators, etc.? How many atheists hold such high offices?

This question does its bit to confront your quest for tolerance. It is all relative, is it not. I am not
within the sight lines of any organized religion's tolerance. But I do concede that united stand against Pat Robertson, ad nauseum from what fashions itself as the mainstream of Christianity is called for. It is absent. Likewise, the Muslims are not going after the Wahhabi, and Israel is not going after its extremists. Is there a mainstream anywhere in any of these religions that has the courage to draw the line and shout "Heresy" and "Blashemy" at fanatical killers who hide inside any professed faith. Then, perhaps, talk to me.
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arachne646
Loving # Growing # Knitting
03:08 AM on 11/29/2011
First, as a Christian, I don't have the right to say who is in the Church, the Body of Christ, and who is not; they are my sisters and brothers. Second, I will continue to vigorously denounce hate and lies against LGBT people and anyone else, such as Muslims, that fellow Christians may erroneously display instead of love. Whether bad theology or political reality make certain people seem extremely guilty of something, Christians' love will show in their public activity.

Muslims have, and continue to abhor al Qaida's use of Islam as a wrapping for its political agenda. To expect all Muslims to repudiate "fundamentalist" streams is as ridiculous as the US outlawing some of Rick Perry's followers. People have the right to their own beliefs, but more importantly, Campolo has overlooked the reason that fundamentalism is growing--poverty, war, and more oppression.
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12:41 PM on 11/29/2011
TodayI received a polite and reasoned answer from Aranchne646 who identified himself as a Christian, stated that my alleged insistence that mainstream Christianity and Islam police their domains and repudiate murderous extremism with in each was ridiculous. Here is some polite and reasoned reply.. Expecting mainstream religion to rise to any such occasion is waiting for the Easter bunny. My statement was just a garden variety rhetorical ploy to make a sarcastic point. I have yet to have a really intelligent conversation with a Christian about anything concerning the nature or existence of God. But I do suspect that if you can believe the impossible anywhere, you can believe it everywhere, and once having walked that dreamland walk and in so doing have placed your mind in the hazard of some other dreamer wearing some funny robe, you are at risk to do things awful because you were told by the guy in that robe that those things are noble. Pacelli and his mentor Pio Nono, whom Pacelli as Pius XII canonized, comes to mind. Pacelli as a Vatican lawyer emissary pulled the teeth of German Catholics when it came to confronting Hitler, did so in a vile Concordat that traded support for Catholic schools for silence and withdrawal from politics. Mainstream. Read about it in Hitler''s Pope by John Cornwall. I am posting this reply here since for some reason the reply linkage failed. Act of God perhaps.
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08:37 PM on 11/01/2011
If you haven't done so already, I suggest that you read read American Fascists, The Christian RIght and the War on America, by Chris Hedges, and then seek him out with your question. I doubt that you will find a better set of answers anywhere than from him. Karen Armstrong, author of A History of God, would be another excellent person to contact, as would be Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author of Infidel, if you could find her.

As an agnostic who rebelled against Christianity when at age 13 I discovered that thinking and asking questions was not appreciated by the Christian adults in upper middle class Berkeley, California, where there has been precious little religious extremism, I have been influenced by
religion as an American mainly as a recipient of its prejudice against doubters and non believers.
10:27 AM on 10/17/2011
Interfatifh dialogue is a waste of time since the love that is needed to advance the betterment of peoples' mind is lacking
10:31 PM on 10/16/2011
Dear Campolo,

You should know that there are many positive things happening around the world fostering dialogue. And media only shows the negative ones. There are a lot of websites are founded for promoting dialogue online as well such as www.muslimdialogue.com

There are many scholars and religious leaders who are effective on many people around the world also promotes dialogue. Such an important columnists like you must point out the positives not the negatives.
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Claude Hosch
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09:07 PM on 10/15/2011
The solution to interfaith tolerance may rest in individual religious unity. As a Christian I am more concerned about the many denominations within Christianity that can't agree on Christianity. Inner unity must come before outer unity; Christians are not alone with this dilimma.
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Nigel Goodnow
05:59 PM on 10/15/2011
This dialogue is "interfaith" only narrowly. These participants can agree on what defines the "common good": it is good to have sensible environmentalism, an open government which controls the military (rather than vice versa), improvement of the situation of women, education, etc. These things are easy enough to work for up to a point.
The dialogue ceases to be interfaith is when you ask, "then why aren't we doing it?" No fundamentalist really wants to destroy humanity (as much as this is often a strawman), but sees the common good as needing more radical surgery to achieve than the moderate. A fundamentalist Muslim, a moderate Christian and a fundamentalist Christian all agree that women are not being treated as God intends: what is the solution? Sharia? Education/prenatal care/sufferage? Adopting a "Biblical" view of womanhood? Each of these solutions is not merely an "add-on" to the faith in question, but is central to it, and telling a fundamentalist Muslim, "you don't get it, women need to go to university" has exactly the same feel to it as telling the moderate, "you don't get it, women need to be veiled."
Campolo is looking for suggestions. Here's one: stop ignoring the differences between faiths. Submission to Allah via the Quran is central to Islam; Christ is central to Christianity; Biblical literalism (what C Smith refers to as "Biblicism") is central to fundamental Christianity (arguably). Until these "fundamentals" are addressed, there will be no lasting progress.
DianaLynn1967
It's a great life if you don't weaken!
12:07 PM on 10/21/2011
"A fundamenta­list Muslim, a moderate Christian and a fundamenta­list Christian all agree that women are not being treated as God intends: what is the solution? Sharia? Education/­prenatal care/suffe­rage? Adopting a 'Biblical' view of womanhood? Each of these solutions is not merely an 'add-on' to the faith in question, but is central to it, and telling a fundamenta­list Muslim, 'you don't get it, women need to go to university­' has exactly the same feel to it as telling the moderate, 'you don't get it, women need to be veiled.'"

And this is where I ask, why not ask the women themselves? Not as a group but each individual woman? When men make decisions for women, that is paternalism and no matter how well intentioned it might be, it is demeaning to women.
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syntax facit saltum
We do not live in a 2 story universe
11:36 PM on 10/21/2011
I could read your comment in social news, but it said it was removed so I couldn't reply directly. :( I don't think Spong is sitting down and saying: let me do some things that will harm people spiritually. But I do think that is the effect of what he teaches. One reason I see it that way is I know several people who were led into atheism as a result of following Spong. I think they took his teachings to their natural conclusion.

I've appreciated reading your comments on these pages.
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
11:40 PM on 10/21/2011
Except when the women themselves are fundamentalists (of any sort), a lot of us are comfortable throwing out their opinions regardless of their gender.
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sandalwood
songs of the shamans...
05:13 PM on 10/15/2011
Interfaith dialogue will always be problematic due to the need felt by adherents to evangelize, or to feel that they have the only way. Not all religious views are like that to begin with. Only 2 have caused and continue to cause problems because of this... guess which two. Leave the others out of it.
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arachne646
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02:41 AM on 11/29/2011
There can be interfaith dialogue and comfortable social interaction with moderate members of evangelical religions. Proselytizing, or trying to change the faith of someone with a religion already, is not ethical, nor is it good dinner-table manners. When many people in society lack purpose, spiritual focus, or a sense of purpose in life, they may want to know more about progressive Christianity, and see what a Church is like (hopefully healthy community).
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
01:09 PM on 10/15/2011
The best interfaith dialogue is a dialogue on any topic EXCEPT religion. Social cohesion and tolerance are best served by the "Jeffersonian Compromise": Freedom of religion in exchange for the privatization of religion. That does not imply that our religion is secret or trivial, but that we keep our religion out of the public domain as much as possible. -- The founding history of the United States versus the present day Iranian theocracy prove the value of that policy.
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buddha65
The night is my companion and solitude my guide
07:38 PM on 10/14/2011
What the hell is a "Red Letter Christian"?
12:23 AM on 10/15/2011
Someone who claims to only follow the teachings of Jesus...but most likely isn't even familiar with most of his teachings because he doesn't actually read them.
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JohnFromCensornati
The End is near
01:08 AM on 10/15/2011
According to his blog: "embracing the lifestyle prescribed in the Sermon on the Mount"
12:16 PM on 10/14/2011
The way that you end fundamentalist christianity is to enforce IRS rules against preaching politics over the pulpit. A few radicalized churches have their 501(c)3 status pulled and the situation will become even more polarized and we can finally pull non-profit status from all of them and have them declared the hate groups that they genuinely are.
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homer winslow
Truth in Beauty, Beauty in Truth
11:44 AM on 10/14/2011
I am looking for suggestions on what we can do about extremists within our own society.

The most important thing is to not be like them. When faced with hate, respond with love and understanding.
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Matt Blanc
11:26 AM on 10/14/2011
We live in a world where most traditional cultures are under siege from either real weapons and war or from cultural degradation from global media, music, and images. Modern cultures are in shock about economic failure and Americans are beginning to feel what it's like to no longer be the center of the universe with ever-expanding potential. So extremist answers appeal to people who are frightened, just as Christianity appealed to Romans as their empire began to unravel, and as it appealed to Native Americans who were dying in thousands from disease - brought by the same missionaries who were converting them. Political leaders are feeding this extremism in all religions because they know that frightened and ignorant people who can't or won't apply reason to issues are most easily led. Moderate religions no longer give the emotional impact of extreme cults. Being raised Catholic (and no longer a believer) it would be easy for me to suggest that once religious belief was taken out of the hands of trained priests and given over to individuals (following Luther's teachings) the door was opened to every conceivable interpretation and mis-interpretation. But that would be too simplistic and unfair (although I find that it shuts up a lot of door-to-door missionaries.) We are looking at a century of returning to tribalism and cults in reaction to global change. I think we're looking at the new Dark Age of Mankind.