More

Featuring fresh takes and real-time analysis from HuffPost's signature lineup of contributors
Tracy Baim

GET UPDATES FROM Tracy Baim
 

In Defense of Cynthia Nixon: Why 'Born This Way' Doesn't Matter

Posted: 01/23/2012 5:05 pm

Cynthia Nixon is in hot water with some gays for comments she made to The New York Times about whether she "chose" to be gay, or was "born that way." Here is an excerpt of what the Sex and the City star said:

I gave a speech recently, an empowerment speech to a gay audience, and it included the line "I've been straight and I've been gay, and gay is better." And they tried to get me to change it, because they said it implies that homosexuality can be a choice. And for me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you don't get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it's a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn't matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not.

This nature-vs.-nurture argument has been debated in the LGBT movement for decades.

I can say that I am pretty much a Kinsey 6 when it comes to measurement scales. But having covered the LGBT community since 1984, and having identified as lesbian since my teen years in the late 1970s, I have always been intrigued by who gravitates to the nature argument, and who to nurture.

To generalize, it seems that more men go with "born this way," while more women see either a combination of nature and nurture, or all "choice." Add in the new field of epigenetics (which posits there are some triggers that do change our inherited genetic code, and which might be a reason sexuality actually could change over a person's lifetime) and we throw an even bigger wrench into the equation.

While some argue that women are more prone to the "nurture" side because of a more fluid sexuality, I don't think it is as simple as that. I think women, starting in the 1970s, took a very political approach to identity politics, and it was empowering to believe we control "our bodies, ourselves." For men, because of the pressure to be masculine and fit a male stereotype, it was easier to place the power elsewhere, with Mother Nature, not mother nurture.

The bottom line is that those who hate us, want to cure us, or even kill us don't really take the time to understand these nuances. Yes, if we were "born this way," that might make some people think it was an immutable characteristic and that therefore there might be no "cure." But honestly, this does not make anyone love us any more. In fact, there are many inherited characteristics upon which people discriminate (physical abilities, for example), or, at the very least, cause people to feel sorry -- or want to cure. That doesn't make these people think they are worthy of civil-rights protections. Ask African Americans if they think being "born that way" helped during the hundreds of years they fought for equal rights, or ask women about being born that way and how that helped get the right to vote or other rights.

And on the opposite side of this debate, religious choice is a protected category, and yet it is not something we are born with. The right-wing understands protecting religious "choice," just not gender or sexuality "choice." If they hate us, they hate us, and how we got this way just doesn't compute in their narrow minds.

Yes, there are some who advocate a "nature made us this way" argument to help us accept ourselves. But others still try to get gays to suppress their sexuality, or transgender people to suppress their gender identity, no matter how they got that way.

I empathize with people who believe that Cynthia Nixon may in fact simply be bisexual, and thus that being with women may represent making a "choice" between the two genders to which she is already attracted. But this identification of our sexuality is rather artificial. Likely, no one is genetically created to love a specific body part. There are probably many things we inherit and also experience once we are created (in the womb and outside of it) that flip our triggers -- it could be gender, but it could also be dozens of other things. Why do we like someone with dark hair, or someone who is short, or tall, or with blue eyes, or male, female, or transgender?

I am not "fluid" in my sexuality, and neither are most of my lesbian friends. But I do know some women and men who identify as gay or lesbian who have changed back and forth in their identity, and sometimes identify as bisexual. Why should it matter what we call ourselves? If the haters don't give a hoot about why or how we got this way, we should never try to limit who gets to fit into our community.

I also do not believe we should base our quest for civil rights on an argument that we "can't help ourselves" because of our genes. This is a very dangerous and slippery slope. There have been fictional books and films made about this topic: if there is a gay gene, should it be eliminated, or a child aborted, if it's found? Science fiction isn't usually very far removed from science.

I welcome the diversity of opinion between Cynthia Nixon and John Aravosis and others on this topic. But I don't think Nixon is wrong to "choose" how she defines her own life. If the right wing does use her words as a way to attack our community, I don't think it will be any more vile than what they already do. They try to "cure" us and deny our civil rights no matter what the basis of our true selves. We have a common enemy here, and it is not Cynthia Nixon, or those like her who come out as proud in their own unique identity.

Yes, some of us may be born this way, and if you believe this, more power to you. But I welcome anyone into our big tent, regardless of their genitals and the genitals they love.

 

Follow Tracy Baim on Twitter: www.twitter.com/windycitytimes1

Cynthia Nixon is in hot water with some gays for comments she made to The New York Times about whether she "chose" to be gay, or was "born that way." Here is an excerpt of what the Sex and the City st...
Cynthia Nixon is in hot water with some gays for comments she made to The New York Times about whether she "chose" to be gay, or was "born that way." Here is an excerpt of what the Sex and the City st...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 194
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Bloggers
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Next ›  Last »  (6 total)
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
writerjohnny
07:17 PM on 01/27/2012
Awesome post.
09:12 AM on 01/26/2012
My second comment, upon reading the other comments now, is that it's difficult to tell whether sexuality is inherent or learned, as it may also vary by person. People may claim they felt 'born' with homosexuality, but the fact is, they progressed towards it for some reason, but one doesn't really know. Just as sometimes we have feelings about certain issues, but eventually come to change our opinions, sexuality may be the same way, only those people who become homosexual may not have the opportunity to learn otherwise before they commit. Once committed, it's not possble to return, only to live on what one 'remembers' of being straight, which I believe is possible, probably, to continue in a heterosexual relationship afterwards. It's a matter of training also. But once learning the homosexual outlook, it stays there in that person's outlook permanently. How that person acts on it is their CHOICE. Most cannot ignore it and go homosexual uniquely and abandon the heterosexual outlook or can no longer relate to it anymore. But once one gets the hang of both, one may probably be able to choose which to act on. It's just that the initial realization is so profound and different from straight that it's hard to get out of one's mind. that's my opinion.
09:04 AM on 01/26/2012
I've been looking for a site to also comment on Ms. Nixon's statement, and I'm glad I found a site that seems to think similarly to what I have to say. I didn't at first see why the LGBT community was so adamantly AGAINST Ms. Nixon's comment...after all, she's proclaiming publicly that she is one of them. What I most want to say, however, is that she SHOULDN'T have to recall her statement....I agree with her that it's a CHOICE...what her protesters are apparently misunderstanding is that she isn't implying SHE CAN GO BACK, because I know once the choice is made, you are that....By making the CHOICE, Cynthia probably meant she went back and forth awhile and has come to stay with what she is now. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS VIEWPOINT and I hope this agreement with her finds its way to her to let her know someone else does understand what she means. I hope she doesn't feel pressured to retract her statement either.
07:52 PM on 01/25/2012
Great column. I love women, and wish to have about 6 wives. I shouldn't be thrown under a bus because of my so called "choice". I don't know if it is either nuture or nature, but I know I cannot see how 1 woman can meet my needs.
I hope all this dialogue changes peoples' minds to allow consenting adults do what they want. I hope to start an initiative in Washington State (where we are about to become the 7th state allowing gay marriage!) that allows polygamy. Ms. Baim, I would appreciate if you could write about this so more people will be open to this as well so we can get some changes in the law.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
04:09 PM on 01/25/2012
Why does it really matter what label we put on ourselves. We are who we are. I have a gay friend who married a woman. I was puzzled why he would do it, but he pointed out to me he loved her very much as friend who he enjoyed being around 24, 7 and that finically it made sense to be a married couple. It didn't change the fact that he liked men, but it made more sense to know that he had a true friend that always would be there for him. I love both men and women, each one has something different to offer. Women are sexy and beautiful and men are rough and tough. Theres a feeling when you meet someone male or female, excitement like this could be the one for me or maybe I could see myself as just friends with this person. My female friends would say to me 'why didn't you hit on me?' I told them you are straight and I respect that, but not only that you are not what I am looking for in a partner. Of course that would offend them and then they would understand later. My point is, I don't really feel its a choice, I think its who you are attracted to. Stop labeling people and let them live with who fits them best. Male or female!
12:05 PM on 01/25/2012
Hear, hear. Awesome post. Thanks for pointing out how we can like someone with dark hair, or blonde hair, and that's not necessarily about genetics or choice, what does it matter, that's what we like. I think that who we are, whatever the characteristics, comes from nature, nurture, a blend of things - Cynthia, though, wouldn't be able to just "choose" to be gay if she didn't have the ability to be attracted to /in love with another woman. That had to come from somewhere. You don't really 'choose' who you fall in love with, straight or gay. But she did - we do- choose what feelings to honor... anyway, thanks for the insightful response. It's helpful to honor ourselves, what makes us happy, to love ourselves, whatever/whoever we are...
11:23 AM on 01/25/2012
Choice or not, the right needs to stay out of it. They talk about 'liberty' and 'freedom' all day long but when two consenting adults want to get married, they want to limit their rights.

Personally, I happen to think people are born that way. My oldest sister has been in a long term relationship and I couldn't be happier for her. My gay neighbors have been together 25 years. My marriage lasted only five. Perhaps 'heteros' should be banned from marriage.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
12:06 PM on 01/25/2012
"Choice or not, the right needs to stay out of it. They talk about 'liberty' and 'freedom' all day long but when two consenting adults want to get married, they want to limit their rights."

Yes, right-wingers contradict themselves all the time. It's really shocking that so many people still vote for them.

"Perhaps 'heteros' should be banned from marriage."

I know that this is not meant seriously. However, I still like to emphasize that reverse discrimination is never an answer. Also, I think that one should not make jokes about discrimination. Discrimination is never funny.
04:42 PM on 01/25/2012
Seriously? Relax...it is called humor.
10:54 AM on 01/25/2012
Some years ago there was lots of debate in the deaf community abt new advances, some thought you should accept the fact you are deaf and others choose to seek the implants. Lots of people are born with a condition, etc, some will accept and others will want change. I imagine there are gay people who are not happy to be gay and would like some sort of treatment options, its wrong for any of us to demand people accept themselves if they want change, that includes adults with gender issues, gay issues, deaf issues, etc. Allow science to seek a choice for these people, for all people.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
11:56 AM on 01/25/2012
Are you seriously equating being deaf with being gay? Deaf people lack the ability to hear. It is a disability. Gay people don't lack anything. Their sexual attraction is just directed at a different group of people, i.e. the same sex.
Your statement is very offensive, because it implies that gay people are inferior. However, the fact is that all sexual orientations are equally good. That's why it doesn't matter why gay people are gay. The cause of something is only relevant when you want to change something. And there's no reason why gay people should try to turn straight. Being gay is not less good than being straight. It ain't gay people who have to adapt to the societal misconception that being gay is inferior. It is the society that has to change and to understand that being gay is not inferior.
12:51 PM on 01/25/2012
Fountouki, I think you're misunderstanding part of the above comment. The deaf community has its own culture; many people don't see their deafness as a disability, but as a difference. Because they have been left out of the mainstream for so long (deaf people have less access to education and jobs and are far more often victims of abuse than hearing people), they've built their own culture and community. When a deaf person, raised by hearing people, receives a cochlear implant at a young age, they often grow up without access to ASL and their community. I disagree with mikey09-12's suggestion that "treatment" is a reasonable option (mikey, are you a signer? I'm wondering if there's a language difference here and I'm understanding the idea of treatment differently than you are?) At the same time, though, Fountouki you take offense to your understanding of an implication in mikey's comments that "gay people are inferior." Do you mean to imply that being deaf makes someone inferior? Or that we should "fix" deaf people so they're good enough for our hearing world? I understand that defensive feeling, but choose your words carefully or you may find yourself echoing the very thing you're fighting against.
05:08 PM on 01/25/2012
You missed my point, some people do not accept the way they are. There is nothing wrong with being women, but some want to be men. I said some gay people might not want to be gay, and if there is a chance medicine, science, treatment, etc (whatever you want to call it) can help them, then I support their individual choice.
10:06 AM on 01/25/2012
My concern is always about how an argument like this affects our equality. Our society, as Tracy points out, already protects people from discrimination based on "birth" items, like sex and race, and "choice" items, like religion and creed. Americans have already embraced the idea that either kind of discrimination is wrong. I believe our fellow citizens are coming to see this applies to gay/lesbian/trans rights, too.

The whole issue is a creation of political conservatives who continue to use issues of sexuality to inflame their base and get out the vote. They must also gain some satisfaction from seeing how it can fracture our community.

Ms. Nixon, God bless her, is just expressing her experience.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
David Rozgonyi
Writer and traveler
07:38 AM on 01/25/2012
Of course "Born this way" matters! It's just that Cynthia was born to be able to choose to love and embrace both genders. We should all be so open to love!
06:11 AM on 01/25/2012
In addition I'd like to also raise the point, that nobody discusses 'Affectional Orientation',
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affectional_orientation

I think that this has a HUGE influence on whether we self-define as gay, bi or straight.
Maybe that's where we don't have a choice, because we are rarely in control of our emotions, just how we act on them. We don't chose who we fall in love with... more's the pity.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
VirginiaJeff
Waiting for the "Jennifer Government" movie
12:55 AM on 01/25/2012
Wonderfully expressed.
11:08 PM on 01/24/2012
From a universal point of view, there can be only one state of the universe at any one time, one state leads to the next and it was all programmed from the beginning. From the personal perspective, from one who can't see all of my previous programming, or the real future, "I" have free will. I have a choice of the various lifestyles I see and can imagine. My "choices" will be balanced between programming I can see and that which I can't see. We're programmed by our genes, our past culture, our present circumstances, which give us our expectations and hopes for the future. In a thoroughly liberated society, I'd probably be polyamorous and somewhere near the middle of the gay-straight spectrum, the closest I can imagine to 'universal love'. If you play a card game, you're given a certain hand and you make your choices according to your free will.
09:27 PM on 01/24/2012
To me, the following two points are a given:

1. you cannot control who you are sexually attracted to

2. you CAN control whether or not you act on those feelings

It's possible that Cynthia had feelings for women before Christine, but CHOSE not to act on them. I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
tinkbell
07:49 PM on 01/24/2012
If parents believe being gay is a choice they may consider to do anything to change that orientation because they would fear their child being bullied, suicidal & being a second class citizen. They're many people today who accept their children as gay/lesbian because they feel that's who they are & they have no choice. Is it really a good idea to try to muddy the waters here.

Her careless statement about choice could be harmful. In another article Cynthia Nixon states that she doesn't like to use the word bisexual to describe herself because people don't like them. Is this really a reason to identify as gay?? Because gay is cooler than bisexuals & they get more respect? Why is anyone taking her seriously. She described her female romantic partner as a short man with boobs. This is who you want to write several pages defending?
photo
Valksy
civis mundi sum
06:24 AM on 01/25/2012
Indeed. I read that same article and she says she doesn't like to identify as bi because of negative stereotypes, and then goes right ahead and reinforces those self same stereotypes.

Frankly, I couldn't care less if Nixon decides to identify as a cat or a toaster. It's none of my business and she certainly doesn't speak for me. But she has handed a huge "I told you so" to the bigots who think there is a gay/straight switch in our heads and who feel free to condemn us and deprive us of rights because we made a "wrong" choice.

So way to go, Nixon. Nice job protecting the beliefs of those who send their helpless kids to re-education camps to try and force them to "choose" the right way. You just gave them a healthy reinforcement.

How nice it must be to live in a progressive and emancipated macrocosm world where people don't lose rights, liberty and safety because of their sexuality....