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Debt Ceiling Is Health Care All Over Again

Posted: 07/26/11 12:48 AM ET

Look, I'm a proud political junkie but this debt ceiling nonsense is, as they might say on the street, some bad shit. Listen to it too long and it'll kill ya. The debate itself has pulled our nation so far from where I had hoped it might be heading two years ago that I'm having a hard time reconciling my memory of my country and this present reality. Didn't we elect a transformative, Democratic president? Don't we still have the Senate? I can't watch anymore. Maybe I'll start gorging myself on sports instead. Cubs fans are less depressed than fans of a brighter American future.

The nausea I'm feeling is exactly what came over my GI tract towards the end of the never-ending healthcare debate. Twenty-four-hour-news giving us twenty-four-hours-a-day political sausage making, each compromise more non-sensical, gruesome and depressing than the last. After this one is over and Obama and Boehner shake hands in the Rose Garden, I'll have long since run out of Prilosecs.

The Tea Party and their elected leaders in Congress have every right to crow. Even though a middle-schooler's understanding of basic economic history would convince anyone that government debt is a long-to-medium-term problem while crippling unemployment is a vitally urgent, ongoing catastrophe, the wisest people in our nation's capital still dither to the Tea Party's beat.

The president himself bears so much blame. He empanelled the Bowles-Simpson Debt Commission in January of 2010 but has yet to name any such august body to confront unemployment. Even his own economic advisors, as soon as they leave the White House, admit that they all understand what needs to be done now (more stimulus, infrastructure bank, etc.), yet politically the White House insists that meaningful change is impossible.

Yes the debt is real. Two wars, the Bush tax cuts and entitlement spending have been sailing our ship of state toward a thundering waterfall for half a decade. But our ship is on fire, unemployment is a fire, and if we burn down to the hull we won't ever have to worry about the drop after the falls.

 
 
 

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Look, I'm a proud political junkie but this debt ceiling nonsense is, as they might say on the street, some bad shit. Listen to it too long and it'll kill ya. The debate itself has pulled our nation...
Look, I'm a proud political junkie but this debt ceiling nonsense is, as they might say on the street, some bad shit. Listen to it too long and it'll kill ya. The debate itself has pulled our nation...
 
 
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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
05:53 PM on 08/03/2011
Well said.
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gomezrules
Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
02:46 PM on 08/02/2011
How is this a 'Tea Party victory'? In what way? Nobody associated with the TP is happy about this sellout. The one who made out is Obama, whose only concern in all of this is the 2012 election. He said so! It was probably the only real candor we've gotten out of him since Joe the Plumber's character assassination by the leftist media because he asked a question that got an actual honest answer out of Obama about his beliefs in redistributing other people's money! Obama got his wish, and no doubt believes that people will not remember any of this (and given the fact the got elected in the first place, maybe he's right about that too!).

But this is no TP 'victory', far from it. The debt will thus increase several trillion dollars between now and the next election, and the deficits which fuel the debt are going to be just as large as ever, all while new spending comes online (Obamacare anyone?). This deal is a joke, and the 'Big Govt Just Get's Bigger' crowd is the real winner!.
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
10:30 AM on 08/02/2011
Trey Ellis: Didn't we elect a transformative, Democratic president?

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I guess we didn't.
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Snarky McSnarkster
Opposed to hypocritical Christians
07:57 AM on 08/02/2011
I'm beginning to believe that there is no answer to our unemployment problem. Not in this environment. When mass production is combined with cheap labor then enough goods are easily produced to meet demand.

We are going to need some really inspirational thinking to get us out of this. But don't expect Republicans to be creative. It is not their strong suit.
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The Dogginator
06:49 PM on 08/01/2011
I too use to be an "apologist" for Obama. "Look at the mess he inherited" "Republicans are hell bent on getting him every step of the way".
But you know what. The same argument could be made for Bill Clinton. He inherited a crummy economy from Bush the 1st.
Republicans were out to sink Clinton every step of the way, remember Ken Starr and the Lewinsky impeachment hearings. But Bill Clinton was smart and GUTSY. He took it to the Republicans. He stood up for what he believed in. You knew where Clinton Stood because he made his position clear and HELD HIS GROUND. What does obama stand for? Anyone??

Obama needs to drop his ego and listen to the advice of Bill Clinton. Take a page or two from the Clinton play book. Bill Clinton, the only modern democrat who successfully handed the republicans their asses on a regular basis.

I think we progressives screwed up and should have picked Hillary.
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
03:37 AM on 08/02/2011
No, not Hillary, though i agree with you otherwise. Try Howard Dean again or Russ Feingold. There are plenty of choices, but Hillary would have been another go along to get along president like her husband. A BJ was more important to him than the country's future.
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The Dogginator
07:14 PM on 08/02/2011
I'm saying, based on our choices at the time....we should have picked Hillary.
07:06 AM on 08/03/2011
Oh give me a break;a BJ was more important than the country's future?Like you can't get a BJ and still be good at your job.Acording to your theroy,a large percentage of the population does not care about the future because they like BJ's.You realize that makes no sense,don't you?
05:55 AM on 08/02/2011
I was with you until you said we should have picked Hillary.

She muttered on a show that Chelsea wasn't going to have to support the boomers or something like that.

Politics changed when Reagan came, then the Clintons decided the country didn't want Democrats/liberalism. I wanted Democrats who would stand up for the middle class and poor. I kept waiting for them to do something, but they didn't really.
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The Dogginator
07:15 PM on 08/02/2011
Thanks for the positive comment. I was saying that based on the choices available at that time...we should have picked Hillary.
02:33 PM on 08/01/2011
Those calling on the uber-rich to pay more in taxes

1) the uber rich will just quit realizing income if tax rates go higher and they will still be uber-rich

2) anyone on here or in Washington, anywhere; please tell the rest of us exactly how much more they should be forced to pay. No politician has the guts to name a number. Not one. Even the most left leaning progressive out there does not have the cajones to name that exact figure.
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OutAtFirst
Believe it! You don't know how to text and drive
03:19 PM on 08/01/2011
How about they pay as much as they did under Eisenhower? Repubs are always wishing that things could be like the good old days. By the way, that would be a 90% marginal rate on the wealthiest.
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vietveter
Wish ididnt know now what ididnt know then
02:25 AM on 08/02/2011
10%

How is that for a pair, Slick?
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01:36 PM on 08/01/2011
I just heard Andrea Mitchell say that Paul Ryan likes the bill and plans to vote for it. That cannot be good for those of us who are seniors.
02:32 PM on 08/01/2011
I heard that comment and thought the very same thing. This is definitely not a good deal. Not sure I am a progressive, far left liberal or what, but I am a senior and trying to live on what I have before going to catfood.
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auramac
04:58 PM on 08/01/2011
The politics alone is going to shorten our lifespans. This aggravation can't be good for my health.
11:44 AM on 08/01/2011
Totally agree with you. The democrats did not even put in a fight for their major policy recommendations. It's been really sad to watch the healthcare debate and their approach to the debt ceiling 'negotiations'. They did a pathetic job at selling their platform to the American people. My first disappointment was when they lost Ted Kennedy's senate seat. Not sure I will get over that soon. I still have nightmares over that.
wordsalad12
Control over Congress is essential, not just WH
02:11 AM on 08/01/2011
Why does everyone speak of the President being some kind of quasi-dictatorial bully that can just ram his agenda through? This Congess compilation is uniquely scary and disgusting and horrifying. Given the Blue Dogs and Conservative Republicans that he has to deal with every step of the way (among other unsavory and unmentionable motivations of some to oppose the President) and an unprecedented mess left behind to clean up, how much can he achieve? I think he could talk tougher talk, but in the end, he will not be allowed corresponding action. Enough with the Obama bashing - I am frustrated with the outcomes too, even been frustrated with some of the President's stances, but what I see going on here from the Progressives is a little unreasonable, considering they pride themselves in critical and analytical thinking and being able to see all sides. Let us try to see just how difficult the environment is in Washington. The level of hatred and resentment against this president from his opponents has been relentless and ruthless. Let us be very careful in setting precedents where a President can unilaterally ram 100% of his agenda through without COngress (even a horrifyingly dysfunctional one)
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
10:35 AM on 08/02/2011
Wordsalad12: Why does everyone speak of the President being some kind of quasi-dict­atorial bully that can just ram his agenda through? This Congess compilatio­n is uniquely scary and disgusting and horrifying­. Given the Blue Dogs and Conservati­ve Republican­s that he has to deal with every step of the way (among other unsavory and unmentiona­ble motivation­s of some to oppose the President) and an unpreceden­ted mess left behind to clean up, how much can he achieve?

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That's exactly what people said during the Carter presidency. Then Reagan came in and showed us how it's done.

You don't have to agree with Reagan ideologically. I certainly don't. But he displayed executive leadership in a way that was unmistakable, and proved (once again) that the office is made by the man.

We need a progressive Reagan. We hoped Obama was that man. Turned out we were wrong.
debblack
Rn Case Manager-mother-grandmother-daughter
11:46 AM on 08/04/2011
It is a strategy of the right to accuse their opposition of doing the things that they themselves are actually doing. Like a cheating spouse, who constantly accuses his/her mate of cheating, to keep the heat off their own behavior. Like Michelle Bachman saying President Obama was going to round up all conservatives and send them to re-education camps. I would bet that she is thinking that would be a good idea, if she wins. After all can't have non-christians or homosexuals running free.
05:23 PM on 07/31/2011
The Age of Obama has been a colossal failure for liberals and progressive democrats. The lack of movement on any transformative agenda is not due to the cost of the wars, the blue-dog democrats, the lack of a super-majority, the Teabaggers, et al. Quite simply, President Obama has never put the power of the U.S. Presidency sincerely behind any campaign pledge. With every opportunity to enact real change this president goes out of his way to play up the opposition's strengths and play down his own; signaling to the opposition that he is more than willing (hoping) to take a dive. In every battle, the president incapacitates himself until the opposition has enough momentum to actually mount a real challenge. This guy is a complete fraud. These are his wars, his economy, his housing crisis, his indefinite detentions, his warrant-less wire-taps. Obama is not in battle with conservatives. The president is at war with democrats and those who want a return to the rule of law & a government that serves its citizens.

It is high time that liberals - the so-called intellectuals, admit that they have been had. Disappointingly, many Dems are still making excuses for this president's actions. Interpreting the facts to fit a previously held belief, used to be a conservative trait. Obama had 'promise and no record' in 2008. At that time, anyone could be excused for believing him to be a liberal. It is inexcusable to have that belief in 2011.
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
04:15 AM on 08/01/2011
Not just the president, but the Dems have copped out as well. This is no longer the Democrat Party that helps the average American. This is the Democrat Party that marches to the Republican tune. Period.
03:09 PM on 08/02/2011
I don't think it is a Republican tune. In fact, I think that terms like Republican and Democrat and Left and Right are obsolete and mostly distractions. It is the Elite (a certain group of Elites) versus the masses.
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realist2008
11:42 AM on 08/01/2011
The endgame was the SCOTUS decision on "citizens united". In short, any rich person or corporation may buy whichever elected office they want and insert any candidate they want with any agenda they want with no restrictions whatsoever. So, we have a bought and paid for government. Is it any surprise that taxes are lower on the wealthy than they have been in 80 years and the Koch brothers and their pals have removed Ryan from Congress, Feingold from the Senate, etc. etc. Representative government is over in the US and only through a hasty removal of the whole cancerous lot, will any semblance of a democracy be returned to the US. Our societal degredation will end when wages in the US are equal to those of China, India and Indonesia. Then corporations can run their businesses "profitably" here. And if any of them are caught with their pants down and/or commit crimes, their "too-bigness" will again obligate "we the people" to bail them out and then take the hit with our "entitlements" that SCOTUS decided are not real contracts (even though paid for through deductions from our paychecks). R.I.P democracy. Hello fascist oligarchy. We can thank the Koch Brothers for funding the teabaggers and the 45 people who show up to their meetings nationally but are interpreted by their friends who own the media as a national movement.
03:13 PM on 08/02/2011
Democracy is not dead. We have definitely been compromised and this Turncoat of a president has dealt us a serious blow. We can still win. In spite of the foes to our right and the foes within our ranks, we can still win.
02:00 PM on 07/31/2011
Somehow the President interprets "compromise" as his side needs to compromise/give more. Repubs know this. President seems to take the Repub exaggerations as reality while they just sit back and wait...and cry feed the beast. He's already conceded too much, not just in current debate, in the name of compromise.
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Mark MacDonald
Pass the Scotch
11:49 AM on 07/31/2011
Sometimes what is necessary does not fall within the realm of the possible. Perhaps there is an underlying reason that the President has not proposed another round of stimulus. Can the United States issue another round of bonds to finance another stimulus without a subsequent rise in interest rates? I honestly do not know. Secretary Geithner has not proposed another round of quantitative easing. Why? The major bond rating agencies have threatened to downgrade our ratings and the Chinese have rightfully accused the United States of using inflationary monetary policies to effectively default on its debt. We are currently borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend. How long can we sustain such borrowing. Again, I do not know.
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maxfax
Taa - dah!
01:41 PM on 07/30/2011
If we burn down to the hull, we're all in the water, with the exception of SS Grover and Citizens United, that's why they don't care; they're doing just fine at our expense. I believe you are dismissing the powerful messaging of the corporate msm, specifically Fox and how they control the message, something else Obama is up against, TMI.
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
03:26 PM on 08/03/2011
Something Obama and the Dems are up against, but have no strategy to change except for more pandering to the monied interest they cling so desperately to, imo. If we can't separate Demos from their Wall$treet and corporate funders, they will not change. Nor will the message.
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maxfax
Taa - dah!
11:26 PM on 08/03/2011
I'm beginning to believe that Obama thinks he can compromise himself into the hearts of the right and into the right's negotiating for more decent paying American jobs. Neither one will happen on this track, not at all.
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01:58 PM on 07/28/2011
Diaguy, You and I have a fundamental disagreement on the role of government. You are obviously a conservative Republican, and I am a Democrat. I certainly have no interest in living in a country that feels the way you do. I think it's obscene.
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ElBruce
04:59 PM on 07/30/2011
A country with no government? It's called Somalia. Apparently these "conservatives" want us to be like that.
debblack
Rn Case Manager-mother-grandmother-daughter
11:55 AM on 08/04/2011
I think they envision more like the wild wild west before any civilization or law and order. Only the strong survive, dog eat dog, every man for himself, might is right. That seems to be their plan. The wealthy cattle man should be allowed to kill the farmers, or sheep ranchers, because he can't make as much a profit from his cattle, if they exist and fence their land.
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dsws
No owning ideas. Limit only commercial use.
10:32 AM on 07/28/2011
"Don't we still have the Senate?"

The Senate can block bills. Problem is, we need to pass something, not block something. Normally, the Senate's ability to block stuff can be used in negotiation: there are things that everyone understands need to be passed in some form or bad stuff will happen. The Senate can insist that one form gets passed rather than another. But the current Republican Party is not normal. They're fully controlled by the Tea Party faction, which is not merely willing but actually eager to take the Keyser Söze option on any bad stuff that might befall America.