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Trey Ellis

Posted April 29, 2009 | 03:40 PM (EST)

Friedman in the Times: How Could a Smart Man Be So Dumb?


In Thomas Friedman's column in the New York Times today he falls into the same traps of moral relativism that were so disastrously wrong for him in the run up to the war in Iraq. Back then he excused the previous administration of lying us into a costly, clumsy war where Iran so far is the only clear winner. Friedman argued that regardless of Bush/Cheney's motives, Iraq will be our Israel, a flower of democracy in the desert of middle eastern dictatorships.

And today he argues that U.S. government-issued torture is just water(boarding) under the bridge.

Friedman's reasoning is uncharacteristically weak:

The president's decision to expose but not prosecute those responsible for this policy is surely unsatisfying; some of this abuse involved sheer brutality that had nothing to do with clear and present dangers. Then why justify the Obama compromise? Two reasons: the first is that because justice taken to its logical end here would likely require bringing George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and other senior officials to trial, which would rip our country apart; and the other is that Al Qaeda truly was a unique enemy, and the post-9/11 era a deeply confounding war in a variety of ways.

Would the country actually be ripped apart if American ideals of democracy and the rights of man were actually upheld instead of forgotten? As I wrote last week, I totally agree with the president in not prosecuting the individuals at the CIA, however the lawyers need to be held accountable. Targeting the lawyers is the best way to make sure that when a right-leaning government again comes into office -- and sooner or later it will -- we will have on the books clear historical precedent of punishing misdeeds. The investigation would not necessarily have to go beyond the lawyers to send the message that our Constitution is bigger than party politics.

Friedman's second point is even more clearly wrongheaded. He is actually saying that because Al Qaeda is a scary death cult they could not have been "deterred by normal means." Exactly! They are actually looking forward to dying, especially at the hands of their enemies. They are the last people you should be walling or waterboarding. If you're gonna torture somebody, geez, at least pick somebody with something to lose. Torturing a suicidal maniac makes as much sense as stuffing a gourmet with appetizers before the main course.

Finally Friedman actually repeats this ridiculous Bush-era mantra:

I believe that the most important reason there has not been another 9/11, besides the improved security and intelligence, is that Al Qaeda is primarily focused on defeating America in the heart of the Arab-Muslim world -- particularly in Iraq."

He actually believes that fighting them over there means that we don't have to fight them over here? Does he really think that Al Qaeda can't spare a dozen psychos? Are they all really too busy training in Pakistan to get on a boat? Does the author of, The World Is Flat, really not understand that terror cells, be they Al Qaeda or just Al Qaeda wannabes, can travel the globe as easily as a virus?

In Thomas Friedman's column in the New York Times today he falls into the same traps of moral relativism that were so disastrously wrong for him in the run up to the war in Iraq. Back then he excuse...
In Thomas Friedman's column in the New York Times today he falls into the same traps of moral relativism that were so disastrously wrong for him in the run up to the war in Iraq. Back then he excuse...
 
 
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10:24 PM on 05/01/2009
No attacks since 9/11? And it's because we're fighting them over there? I'm so done with this collective denial about 9/11. It's been used to justify every horror from a war that we just wanted to start for the oil and defense contracts to the racist torture of middle-eastern civilians under the guise of collecting information. When can we please face the truth about 9/11, if for no other reason than to stop the incessant references to it, whether to justify war or victimization? You want to know what's even more shocking than two planes flying into the world trade centers? When those trade centers then collapse in on themsleves at the speed of gravity because of "burning jet fuel." Even more shocking than that is the thought that someone on our side--that's "us" not "them,"--did it for money or the eventual profit from war.
01:58 PM on 05/01/2009
Thomas F. is a case in point of the ills in the American media. His got his hands so dirty in the run up to the Iraq war that it is now completely impossible to take any of his views seriously about anything related to the Muslim world; however, this is nothing new or related only to Iraq or Iran. For yrs. he has been a proselytizer for all things Israeli & a detractor for anything else related to the region. Instead of providing a disclaimer for readers & viewers, media outlets have given far too much exposure to this man & his nefarious ideas. The American public deserves better.
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afgail
Wise and strong.
02:19 AM on 05/01/2009
How wrong Friedman is. If we only prosecute the aparatchiks and not the elites who created the torture program you will absolutley guarentee that it happens again. The reason we had to fight Germany in WWII was because those elites respononsible for creating WWI got off scott free. We went to war (Desert Storm) to bailout the Saudi's. The second Iraq war was to swipe the Iraqi oil fields for the Bush/Cheney oil patchboys. All of Bush administration elites need to be tried for war crimes.
gconners
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
07:01 PM on 04/30/2009
Can/must we note ONE more time and maybe it will get through some thick skulls: There WAS NO Al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded the country.
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cobraxus
Defend The Innocent_Protect The Weak
10:55 AM on 04/30/2009
Friedman believed the invasion of Iraq was good for Israel.That's all that matters.Violating federal law and international treaties isn't a crime so long as it's done for Israel.Anyone who questioned the so-called intelligence that lead us into this godforsaken war was called anti-semetic.Torture has simply become an extension of that argument.
10:34 AM on 04/30/2009
What do you mean Bush didn't stop another attack?
After Katrina he stopped Hurricanes from attacking again didn't he?

Friedman question:
http://therockhopper.blogspot.com/2007/09/pick-out-who-is-worse.html
07:39 AM on 04/30/2009
Prosecuting the likes of George Bush and Dick Cheney is EXACTLY what's needed. The Oligarchs and Corporatist need to be put on notice. Their ilk is not longer in their ascendancy. We no longer are going to put up with their treating this country as their own personal money sandbox.

The American people are now on the rise, with the election of Barack Obama, and there is no turning back.

The Rethuglican Party will be relegated to having been one big nightmare.
PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
09:00 PM on 04/30/2009
I'd be willing to bet you a dollar to a donut that, in eight years, the Republicans will be in power and the Democrats will be demoralized. Not just because it will be their turn; but the massive, unprecedented spending by Obama and the Dems will have destroyed the dollar and created stagflation even worse than the Carter years. At that point, bashing Bush will have grown thin and the Dems will be held accountable.
Pelosi, Dodd and the other Dems are just as in the tank with Wall Street as Bush and the GOP. Why do you think we have this Treasury Secretary? Wall Street donates more money to the Dems than the GOP, and the Dems are making sure their friends are taken care of.
So, you're not going to "put up with their treating this country as their own personal money sandbox."
You might want to check the Dem's donar list.
11:11 PM on 04/30/2009
I'll take that bet.
JRsNana
The most important things in life aren't things.
11:52 AM on 05/01/2009
Don't start with this GOP drivel about demoralized Democrats. Why don't you guys take a good realistic look at your beach-tent-sized party and do some internal soul searching. Bashing us is doing you no good. If you really want to talk about massive and unprecendented spending, why don't you and the other ostriches who spent the last 8 years with your freakin' heads in the sand go back and do some research about your precious hypocritical Republicans and all the blank checks they gave the Bush Administration to more than doubled our national debt and mortgage our country to the hilt, deregulate the financial industry which lead us to this precarious position we now enjoy, AND, also thanks to George and his gang we spent and are still having to spend $10 BILLION a month in Iraq. A little fact that ALWAYS seems to slip the minds of Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck listeners who come on here to regurgitate their daily talking points. We're not putting up with your lies and distortions any more! NO MORE!
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10:51 PM on 04/29/2009
The moral bankruptcy of starting an unnecessary war against an innocent people, (killing a million or more) in order to draw some other enemy to kill *them* instead of you needs to be loudly asserted. The likelihood of the relatives of the million dead Iraqis holding the US responsible is high, leading to a net loss.

It needs also to be said that Bush didn't keep america safe: Bush killed nearly 6,000 americans for no good reason. He just did it over there, as Friedman notes.
PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
09:13 PM on 04/30/2009
This sort of reasoning lacks logic.
1. We have a voluntary Army now and their support of their mission is high.
2. Most of the Iraqi deaths, which the actual number is unknown, are between themselves, not from coalition action; and even those are mostly defensive responses to attacks from the insurgents.
3. Would you also say that in WW2, our leaders didn't keep us safe because of all the soldiers who died defeating fascism and Imperial Japan? They "just did it over there."
4. 2003 was the resumption of the Persian Gulf War in the early 90's, which was sanctioned by the UN. There are 17 UN Resolutions documenting Saddam's violation of the 1992 cease fire.
09:11 PM on 04/29/2009
I made a huge blog post about this

http://ugaliberal.blogspot.com/2009/04/because-we-could-thomas-friedmans-sick.html

It infuriated me so much.
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grailknight
is happily godless
07:51 PM on 04/29/2009
Next round of NYT cuts: Tom Friedman!
mamalisa38
I love you Thomas and I miss you like crazy RIP
05:49 PM on 04/29/2009
This would not rip this country apart, it would help it heal.
PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
09:26 PM on 04/30/2009
Kind of like how impeaching Bill Clinton helped the country "Heal"?
As I remember, it only outraged Bill's supporters.
Kind of like what would happen with Bush/Cheney supporters;
especially the NRA and the gun totin' rednecks.
But then again, maybe we're due for another civil war.
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snesich
03:08 PM on 05/02/2009
We already won that "civil war", last November.

Is your butt still sore? How is that cream working?
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TJCole
05:31 PM on 04/29/2009
Tom who..?
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Manx
05:30 PM on 04/29/2009
I read Friedman's column last night with incredulity. It is, without doubt, the dumbest column I have ever read in the New York Times. His view in a capsule: If the enemy is mean and unconventional, it's okay to torture. In the past he has condemned Iranian president Ahmadinejad for denying the holocaust but in his column, Friedman is denying that torture is a war crime subject to investigation and prosecution under both domestic and international law. Friedman has put himself in the same class with the despicable Ahmadinejad.
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Retrofuturistic
see things as they really are
12:28 PM on 04/29/2009
I do not agree that prosecuting George W. Bush et al would "rip our country apart". It would be a much needed civics lesson on American principles.

The only people in recent history who made America put its money where its mouth was on its founding principles were African Americans, who held America to its stated principles on civil rights and equality.

It's time to do that again, hold America to its principles. Either we believe in our founding principles and our Constitution, or we don't. If we don't stand up for these ideals NOW, we will lose them.

We have the laws. WHY are they not being enforced?
11:46 AM on 04/29/2009
Wait.

Calling his argument "uncharacteristically weak" misses the point. Friedman's arguments have always been weak. It's just he's always had cabbies in India or the occasional executive in _______ to help support his arguments and make them look strong.

Tom Friedman without a random anecdotal source is... well... just a void.