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Since When Don't We Put a Price Tag on Justice?

Posted: 05/16/2012 7:54 pm

Faced with unassailable evidence that the death penalty in California costs hundreds of millions of dollars per year, death penalty supporters tend to respond with what is intended to be a conversation stopper: "You can't put a price tag on justice."

But wait a minute. Don't we already? Only in a world with unlimited resources could we run government programs with no regard for their price tags. Unfortunately, that is not where we live today. Consider Governor Jerry Brown's latest budget proposal as reported by the New York Times:

Struggling to contain mounting state budget shortfalls, Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday proposed $8.3 billion in spending cuts, including slashing state employees pay and spending on social programs and prisons. He warned that California would have to impose another $6 billion in cuts on public schools and higher education if voters fail to approve his initiative this fall to raise sales and income taxes.

My kids go to public school in California and I teach at a public law school. I would love to be able to say, "You can't put a price tag on an education." But that would be ridiculous. It happens all the time.

The implication in the death penalty context, of course, is that only the most heartless among us would relish telling the mother of a murder victim that the person who killed her child is not going to be executed because, well, it just costs too much.

But here's what we need to remember: about half of all rapes and murders in California go unsolved. A 2009 survey asked law enforcement officials what interfered with effective law enforcement. The number one answer was lack of resources. (Last on the list was "insufficient use of the death penalty.") Thousands of rape kits across the state sit unexamined, because there is no money to conduct DNA testing.

The victims of unsolved murders and rapes are no less deserving of justice than the victims of solved crimes. The SAFE California initiative that will be on the ballot in November would eliminate the death penalty, save $1 billion that we desperately need over the next five years, and create a "$100 million fund to be distributed to law enforcement agencies to help solve more homicide and rape cases."

The next time you hear someone say that you can't put a price tag on justice, ask them if they would say the same thing to the family members of victims of the 1,000 murders that go unsolved in California each year.

I'd love to live in a California with no price tags. Until then, the price tag on the death penalty is busting our state's budget.

 
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02:59 PM on 06/05/2012
The death penalty exists pretty much in name only in California,it is so infrequently carried out to be virtually meaningless.Death Row inmates such as Richard Ramirez and Charles Ng have virtually no chance of ever being executed and they committed some of the most heinous crimes imaginable,their guilt is not in question,yet they have both been on death row for many years.The exceptionally high cost of DP cases are directly linked to the seemingly never ending appeal process.If there is ANY doubts surrounding guilt then the DP should NEVER be an option,but surely in the cases where the heinous nature of the crimes committed merit the DP a way can be found to curb the costs of the appeals system.If not then the only course to take would be abolition of the DP and make sure life in prison means life and cut off the DP cash cow to the legal profession who are the main beneficiaries of the appeal system as things stand.
02:26 PM on 05/18/2012
Look, the Anti-Death penalty forces know that it is virtually impossible to win on moral grounds ---- but in a culture that runs on profit/loss...that is the angle ---- make it so expensive as to be unsustainable. I can't blame them --- if I was that dedicated to the anti-death penalty cause, that would certainly be the tactic...
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01:56 PM on 05/18/2012
Yes.. we should get rid of it because in cal it's just a lawyer welfare scheme..
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05:14 PM on 05/17/2012
While the death penalty is more expensive, the reason for it is because the anti-death penalty advocates in CA have made it that way. Look at other states and compare. CA is much higher.
06:05 PM on 05/17/2012
Given that California has tried for over 30 years to get the death penalty "right" it seems unlikely that the anti-death penalty advocates are ever going away nor are they wrong in their efforts. In the gay community the rally was " We're here, we're queer, get used to it". Ditto for the building momentum to replace the death penalty with swift and certain justice.
06:25 AM on 05/17/2012
Uhhhh huh. And how much does life in prison cost? Neglect to mention that I see.
11:04 AM on 05/17/2012
Life in prison, with or without parole, actually costs much less. The largest costs come at the pre-trial and trial stages. The tremendous expenses in a death penalty case apply whether or not the defendant is convicted, let alone sentenced to death.

Examples- trial costs (death penalty and non death penalty cases, California):

People v. Scott Peterson, Death Penalty Trial
$3.2 Million Total
People v. Rex Allen Krebs Death Penalty Trial
$2.8 Million Total
People v. Cary Stayner, Death Penalty Trial
$2.368 Million Total
People v. Robert Wigley, Non-Death Penalty Trial
$454,000 Total
This data is for cases where the best records have been kept.
02:34 AM on 05/18/2012
Words, meaningless words, and vaguely relevant numbers.

Firstly, my point that they fail to mention such key facts stands.
Secondly, and more relevantly, you also neglect to mention the same key facts. You tell me "cost less", you don't tell me how much life in prison actually costs.
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12:01 PM on 05/17/2012
The death penalty is far more expensive, even than life in prison. That's why it would save so much money to abolish the death penalty. Here is a link to an editorial from today in PA that makes the point: http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120517/NEWS04/205170308. As the editorial says, "Study after study shows that at every phase of a case, a capital murder case costs far more, typically hundreds of thousands of dollars more, than murder cases that don't involve the death penalty."
03:33 AM on 05/18/2012
You didn't give us the numbers the first time around, I called you on it, and we still don't have the numbers. The link in the article just shows that it costs a lot, it doesn't show it costs more than a prison sentence. The link you post here doesn't give us any real figures either. The wording of the quote you pulled is a little... dubious. Consider for a moment that the editorial you link to is titled "The death penalty costs taxpayers more than life in the klink" and the *only* reference to the cost of life in prison is that quote there.

One thing that strikes me is "every phase of a case", and one would imagine that the case is closed after sentencing, so we still wouldn't have a proper comparison; but you're the law professor, so correct me if I am wrong.
03:33 AM on 05/18/2012
Trying to get the most out of your sources, it apparently costs 90k to hold death row inmates, though it says an "additional" 90k, so it's either 90 or 90 on top of whatever it costs a regular inmate. Either way it's a little suspect. According to two sources I've checked, it costs no more than $50k (50 in California, apparently 18 in Mississippi) to house a typical inmate. Since it's a California source saying 90, we'll use 50. That's double, or maybe triple; something's amiss here. Not sure what's worse; the figures being wrong or the figures being right. If they're right, it's a good place to start as any, considering that accounts for 1bn, or about a quarter of this "blunder".

Anyway, you've not given me answers, I've had to go fetch. From what I've seen so far, I can't see death being that much more expensive than life in prison, not in the way you describe it. If there is a large difference, it's due to inefficiency in the system. Remedies to that are in the first link you posted; though apparently the best they can do is 1/3 of the savings of abolishing the death penalty, and I don't really buy that.

Do tell me, how many on death row have actually walked, or even got a reduced prison sentence, because of any of those appeals they get? What percentage is it?
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12:53 AM on 05/17/2012
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