May 18, 2008
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AbbieXHoffman
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Electing Sweetie
As an attorney, I know the law. All criminals are given due process. Hillary was a court appointed attorney on this case and plea bargained--she did not "get him off". Sometimes with no proof, alleged criminals are prosecuted beyond justice and therefore a strong defense is required. Until you read the court transcript, I suggest you refrain from commenting. posted 05/17/2008 at 00:03:20
I think it's tragic for you not to realize that corporations do offer jobs and help our economy. Not EVEYTHING they do is good for our economny and that is why they need more federal regulations on them, which Hillary and Obama both support in exactly the same way. Also univesal healthcare can eliminate employees and unions feeling like they are "owned" by their jobs that they rely on to supply benefits. And while I am basically pro-union, no one can demand job security.
Corporations stinks on many levels, but don't buy into the mantra that corporate America is all bad. It's a trick the rich play on the poor (not saying you are). posted 05/16/2008 at 23:29:23
Corporations stinks on many levels, but don't buy into the mantra that corporate America is all bad. It's a trick the rich play on the poor (not saying you are). posted 05/16/2008 at 23:29:23
You're right about this not helping our democratic campaign. However, I feel I have a strong sense of history and it's an injustice to have Hillary's page be tainted as an evil person that many people have succeeded in painting her as. Ferraro, Bill and Hillary are not the bad people they have been portrayed as. that's all.
Point taken. On to the Whitehouse for Obama. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:11:01
Point taken. On to the Whitehouse for Obama. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:11:01
I don't have as much of a problem with his use of the word sweetie as I do with his dismissal of her question and not because she's a woman. Because he runs away from all sustentative questions that require answers beyond his platitudes. Hillary delivers the platitude, the logistics AND the details.
Obama gets his strength from commentating from the luxury of hindsight as a professional critic. We are all professional critics on this blog, but can we all be president? Of course not, so what does Obama want to really DO? He needs to do more than post the democratic platform on his website, he needs to start talking details, especially because he has very little proof of being proactive in fixing problems. That's probably why he decided to run for POTUS after 1 year in the senate with little accomplishments of changing Washington. If he is running on changing Washington, shouldn't he have tried to do SOMETHING about it before he expects us to anoint him on that basis?
I will support him as a democrat, but I am skeptical. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:51:46
Obama gets his strength from commentating from the luxury of hindsight as a professional critic. We are all professional critics on this blog, but can we all be president? Of course not, so what does Obama want to really DO? He needs to do more than post the democratic platform on his website, he needs to start talking details, especially because he has very little proof of being proactive in fixing problems. That's probably why he decided to run for POTUS after 1 year in the senate with little accomplishments of changing Washington. If he is running on changing Washington, shouldn't he have tried to do SOMETHING about it before he expects us to anoint him on that basis?
I will support him as a democrat, but I am skeptical. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:51:46
Part 2
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:26:16
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:26:16
I am angry to at the treatment of Hillary, but you can't sit this one out. I think Hillary would have done a better job, but I support Obama because he is a better alternative to McCain and will take the country in a better direction. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:22:27
I am sorry for your loss and I think your daughter was a hero. You should read some quotes below from Hillary's floor speech about her vote. I doubt it will bring any consolation, but it may give you a different view of Hillary and others that had to make that difficult decision.
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us.
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.
I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:19:03
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us.
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.
I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:19:03
Part 2
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:17:32
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/16/2008 at 22:17:32
I am a young educated wealthy person who has supported Hillary for what she has DONE in the senate as and before her years in the Whitehouse including:
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay posted 05/16/2008 at 22:10:35
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay posted 05/16/2008 at 22:10:35
Exclusive Video: McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It...
I don't like McCain but lets not STOOP to the level of semantics on HIS words and claim he said he wanted to negotiate with hamas. It's just plainly a stupid argument. posted 05/16/2008 at 13:26:38
Where did McCain say that he was going to negotiate with Hamas?
He said, "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another" That doesn't mean he is gong to negotiate with them, it means we exactly what he said...we're going to have to deal with them one way or another. Maybe a better thing to do is to ask McCain what he means by "one way or another".
I support Obama, but can we not start using misrepresentations of quotes to defeat McCain? We're contributing to the game of parsing words here and that's only going to encourage McCain to do the same to Obama. posted 05/16/2008 at 13:18:11
He said, "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another" That doesn't mean he is gong to negotiate with them, it means we exactly what he said...we're going to have to deal with them one way or another. Maybe a better thing to do is to ask McCain what he means by "one way or another".
I support Obama, but can we not start using misrepresentations of quotes to defeat McCain? We're contributing to the game of parsing words here and that's only going to encourage McCain to do the same to Obama. posted 05/16/2008 at 13:18:11
John McCain: Obama Unfit To Protect The United States
Idiot? How non-divisive of you. posted 05/15/2008 at 21:39:42
I think it's a legitimate question to have Obama clarify what he means. I support him and want to know what exactly he means about what he expects to get out of unconditionaly discussions. Stop stifiling debate. It's unAmerican. posted 05/15/2008 at 21:24:41
Why is it so hard for you to understand that he isn't lying. He is stating his opinion.
While I don't agree with it, it's his right to do so and frankly it's important to push America forward to debate. Stifling debate just creates blind following and that is not something I want to be a part of. posted 05/15/2008 at 21:21:02
While I don't agree with it, it's his right to do so and frankly it's important to push America forward to debate. Stifling debate just creates blind following and that is not something I want to be a part of. posted 05/15/2008 at 21:21:02
"Remember McCain's respectful campaign? He doesn't."
I support Obama at this point, but cut the crap. McCain pointing out what he thinks Obama's weaknesses are is not disrespectful, just like it's not disrespectful for Hillary to do it.
I am so sick of the Obama diehards using this high minded excuse against anyone that says anything about Obama. posted 05/15/2008 at 20:56:27
I support Obama at this point, but cut the crap. McCain pointing out what he thinks Obama's weaknesses are is not disrespectful, just like it's not disrespectful for Hillary to do it.
I am so sick of the Obama diehards using this high minded excuse against anyone that says anything about Obama. posted 05/15/2008 at 20:56:27
Obama Using Cross Flyer In Kentucky
I repeat--I am supporting Obama at this point but what we are seeing is what I knew would happen. His new approach toward politics is not new at all. He is going to take us right back were we would be with most democratic leaders which is a good place, it's just NOT NEW.
We are basically seeing the American people get an education on how politics works starting from a place of utter purity and ending in same exact place that many democratic leaders took us. Remember Bill Clinton reached across the isle for 8 years of peace and prosperity. It's good, it's just not new. posted 05/15/2008 at 00:01:30
We are basically seeing the American people get an education on how politics works starting from a place of utter purity and ending in same exact place that many democratic leaders took us. Remember Bill Clinton reached across the isle for 8 years of peace and prosperity. It's good, it's just not new. posted 05/15/2008 at 00:01:30
I am biracial and I find what you said very careless. You may think you're defending the black community but what you're suggesting is that it is common knowledge that people think black people needs to prove their faith JUST because they are black. You are (maybe inadvertently) demeaning blacks, whites and their critics all in one sound-bite.
Most blacks are not muslim and don't need your careless comment to start suggesting they have to carry the burden of proving their religion too.
Please start to think more critically about why this is a problem for Obama and not Hillary beyond just shouting out racism. Hillary doesn't need to prove her faith because most people are aware that Methodist is. Most are not familiar with the black liberation theology that has a loose tie to one very prominent militant muslim and THAT is why he feels he needs to explain himself. He actually doesn't and shouldn't. It just adds feul to the this already overheated campaign of racial, sexist and religious fire that was starting to die out a bit.
Please stop this cry of racism at every turn when it doesn't exist. It pushes us all back. posted 05/14/2008 at 23:11:00
Most blacks are not muslim and don't need your careless comment to start suggesting they have to carry the burden of proving their religion too.
Please start to think more critically about why this is a problem for Obama and not Hillary beyond just shouting out racism. Hillary doesn't need to prove her faith because most people are aware that Methodist is. Most are not familiar with the black liberation theology that has a loose tie to one very prominent militant muslim and THAT is why he feels he needs to explain himself. He actually doesn't and shouldn't. It just adds feul to the this already overheated campaign of racial, sexist and religious fire that was starting to die out a bit.
Please stop this cry of racism at every turn when it doesn't exist. It pushes us all back. posted 05/14/2008 at 23:11:00
pandering: To cater to the lower tastes and desires of others or exploit their weaknesses
How is Obama doing this? He is appealing to the lower taste and desires of people who think they need a president who shares their Christian views and THAT is a weakness that he is exploiting for his own gain.
Secondly, it's fair for him to say that he uses his faith to develop his political theology, but this ad is suggesting-- no it's blantantly saying that if he were mistakenly thought of as muslim, that would be a bad thing. That's pandering because it is giving in to people worst fears that being a muslim is bad.
Using faith AND a sacred symbol of christ to communicate is a BAD idea for a uniter. We are a nation that separates the division of church and state and recognizes all religions. Besides, he's not going to gain anything from this. No one that thinks he is a muslim is going to buy this ad no matter what. posted 05/14/2008 at 22:54:56
How is Obama doing this? He is appealing to the lower taste and desires of people who think they need a president who shares their Christian views and THAT is a weakness that he is exploiting for his own gain.
Secondly, it's fair for him to say that he uses his faith to develop his political theology, but this ad is suggesting-- no it's blantantly saying that if he were mistakenly thought of as muslim, that would be a bad thing. That's pandering because it is giving in to people worst fears that being a muslim is bad.
Using faith AND a sacred symbol of christ to communicate is a BAD idea for a uniter. We are a nation that separates the division of church and state and recognizes all religions. Besides, he's not going to gain anything from this. No one that thinks he is a muslim is going to buy this ad no matter what. posted 05/14/2008 at 22:54:56
This is more of a republican tactic than anything Hillary has done. I don't like it one bit. But I will campaign for Obama--just stop the pandering B. posted 05/14/2008 at 22:05:48
You Broke It, You Own It -- Obama Style
"Is this an editorial joke?"
It's obviously a shock to you to see that there are intelligent people that have intellectual substance behind their decision to support Hillary. Perhaps if you spend a bit of time on another site, in addition to the Huf post, and you will see that many of Hillary's supporters are intelligent, informed, young, modern and progressive. posted 05/14/2008 at 18:18:46
It's obviously a shock to you to see that there are intelligent people that have intellectual substance behind their decision to support Hillary. Perhaps if you spend a bit of time on another site, in addition to the Huf post, and you will see that many of Hillary's supporters are intelligent, informed, young, modern and progressive. posted 05/14/2008 at 18:18:46
I want Obama to win, but if he loses it won't be because of the republican attacks, racism or because voters aren't educated enough to get his message.
It will be because of HIS shortcomings period. Specifically, because he doesn't have a strong record of big accomplishments and he doesn't articulate the details of his plan. DO NOT refer me to his website. That is not good enough. A candidate cannot rely on his voters to do work to see what he says as true--he needs to talk about that on the podium, otherwise it's smoke and mirrors.
He needs to work on his shortcomings and the sooner the better Obama because I DO NOT want McCAIN. So let's go--fine tune and sharpen your message with details. posted 05/14/2008 at 17:55:59
It will be because of HIS shortcomings period. Specifically, because he doesn't have a strong record of big accomplishments and he doesn't articulate the details of his plan. DO NOT refer me to his website. That is not good enough. A candidate cannot rely on his voters to do work to see what he says as true--he needs to talk about that on the podium, otherwise it's smoke and mirrors.
He needs to work on his shortcomings and the sooner the better Obama because I DO NOT want McCAIN. So let's go--fine tune and sharpen your message with details. posted 05/14/2008 at 17:55:59
Thankfully someone got to post a pro-Hillary blog on this site that explains that Hillary supporters are intelligent, critical thinkers. Obama supporters don't have the market on intellectualism as much as they like to think. You have articulated exactly what I have been thinking all along.
Not to mention this math--forget the national polls that aren't converted into electoral votes. This is the only math that matters--it's takes every poll on the planet and converts them into electoral votes. It's from an independet site that has been around since 2004.
270 is a win.
Clinton 280 McCain 241 Ties 17
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May14.html
Obama 237 McCain 290 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May14.html
Since Clinton is not getting the nod, I WILL CAMPAIGN PROUDLY FOR OBAMA, but it will be a fight and the anit-Clinton people need to stop their insults against Clinton's supporters. posted 05/14/2008 at 17:51:06
Not to mention this math--forget the national polls that aren't converted into electoral votes. This is the only math that matters--it's takes every poll on the planet and converts them into electoral votes. It's from an independet site that has been around since 2004.
270 is a win.
Clinton 280 McCain 241 Ties 17
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May14.html
Obama 237 McCain 290 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May14.html
Since Clinton is not getting the nod, I WILL CAMPAIGN PROUDLY FOR OBAMA, but it will be a fight and the anit-Clinton people need to stop their insults against Clinton's supporters. posted 05/14/2008 at 17:51:06
The Israel I Was Fighting For
I am thirlled to see this country FINALLY starting to talk about Isreal in more granularity. I have no answers for this giant mess, but I am grateful that we are talking about this. posted 05/13/2008 at 18:35:53
Clinton goes from inevitable nominee to on the ropes
Very poor taste on the photo likening a dead Clinton in a coffin. That's going too far. posted 05/11/2008 at 12:42:53
"Saturday Night Live's" Message From Hillary Clinton: "I Have No Ethical Standards" (VIDEO)
OR it means this voting block responds better to Hillary who may have succeeded in letting them know she cares about their pocket books and will fight for them.
Kerry and Gore didn't have this voting block either as Gallup poll pointing out and look what happened to him. She knew she needed them and ran a campaign to appeal to them.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx posted 05/11/2008 at 23:54:23
Kerry and Gore didn't have this voting block either as Gallup poll pointing out and look what happened to him. She knew she needed them and ran a campaign to appeal to them.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107110/Obamas-Support-Similar-Kerrys-2004.aspx posted 05/11/2008 at 23:54:23
Polls that don't convert into electoral votes for the General Election mean nothing. We need these white working class voters to win--sorry it's just a fact. Go to this site if you want to see what the polls mean in electoral votes for the GE.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May11.html posted 05/11/2008 at 23:51:52
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May11.html posted 05/11/2008 at 23:51:52
Dead on! posted 05/11/2008 at 23:49:31
It's not from Hillary's site. It's an independent site that has been out there for years and I actually think from the tone of it, the author is an Obama supporter. posted 05/11/2008 at 23:16:34
Don't be scared -- most will vote for Obama in the end. It's all just angry pissy stupid talk. I am a huge Clinton supporter, but will campaign for Obama just as hard. posted 05/11/2008 at 23:13:11
I agree thats how she lost the black vote but I don't agree that Bill or Ferraros comments were racists at all and I am biracial if that says anything.
I believe that the media and Obama supporters (I am not blaming Obama himself) were dying to call Bill and Ferraro racist for two reasons.
1. They absolutely had to get the AA vote away from Clinton. The only way to do that was to call Bill or Hillary racists. But even Jackson himself say that Bill's comments weren't racist and since Obama has 9x% of black vote, it kind of a fair statement.
2. They had to also get females away from Clinton. So they went after a feminist icon to them--Ferraro. Ferraro NEVER said his race was the ONLY reason he was where he was and Obama agreed with her.
"Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/
If this race baiting didn't happen (and please believe me that I am not blaming Obama himself at all for this or the people on this post, but the media and many of his supporters) Clinton would have been the nominee in Feb. posted 05/11/2008 at 23:10:31
I believe that the media and Obama supporters (I am not blaming Obama himself) were dying to call Bill and Ferraro racist for two reasons.
1. They absolutely had to get the AA vote away from Clinton. The only way to do that was to call Bill or Hillary racists. But even Jackson himself say that Bill's comments weren't racist and since Obama has 9x% of black vote, it kind of a fair statement.
2. They had to also get females away from Clinton. So they went after a feminist icon to them--Ferraro. Ferraro NEVER said his race was the ONLY reason he was where he was and Obama agreed with her.
"Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/
If this race baiting didn't happen (and please believe me that I am not blaming Obama himself at all for this or the people on this post, but the media and many of his supporters) Clinton would have been the nominee in Feb. posted 05/11/2008 at 23:10:31
Wow--you REALLY think it was code for AA's are lazy?
The Clinton's have been civil rights fighters for years and I really didn't take it that way at all and I am biracial and I pick up on a lot of subliminals--- but I respectfully don't buy this one.
I think she was trying, not eloquently, to say that these people work hard just to make ends meet and want a someone who shows them they understands that and will fight for them. I also think that since Obama has just about every AA vote, the only blue collar workers that are still voting for her are white.
It's all just a hot mess. posted 05/11/2008 at 22:53:03
The Clinton's have been civil rights fighters for years and I really didn't take it that way at all and I am biracial and I pick up on a lot of subliminals--- but I respectfully don't buy this one.
I think she was trying, not eloquently, to say that these people work hard just to make ends meet and want a someone who shows them they understands that and will fight for them. I also think that since Obama has just about every AA vote, the only blue collar workers that are still voting for her are white.
It's all just a hot mess. posted 05/11/2008 at 22:53:03
One last question and it's a serious non-confrontational one. Have we moved beyond all forms of reporting in any form on demographics?
Should the AP which Clinton quoted, not report demographics because it's racists?
Should the Gallop poll and others not report that Obama has the same demographics as Kerry and Gore with white voters because it's racist?
Should CNN and other news networks who do the same when reporting that Obama garnishes 9x% of the AA vote stop that because it's racist?
Should all applications that ask for demographics such as age, race and gender be eliminated because they are racist?
Should employers stop using quotas because it's racist?
I am serisouly wondering if this is what this is all saying and this is where we are ready to head as a country. posted 05/11/2008 at 20:06:48
Should the AP which Clinton quoted, not report demographics because it's racists?
Should the Gallop poll and others not report that Obama has the same demographics as Kerry and Gore with white voters because it's racist?
Should CNN and other news networks who do the same when reporting that Obama garnishes 9x% of the AA vote stop that because it's racist?
Should all applications that ask for demographics such as age, race and gender be eliminated because they are racist?
Should employers stop using quotas because it's racist?
I am serisouly wondering if this is what this is all saying and this is where we are ready to head as a country. posted 05/11/2008 at 20:06:48
She hasn't been acting "as if the Democrats have been routinely winning over the uneducated white voters in droves for years until Obama came along". She saying to win the Whitehouse you need enough of these particular white blue collar voters--it's not vile and classless, it's the truth.
Kerry didn't carry them in large numbers either and he lost. His demographics look very similar to Obamas--see Gallup poll. Gore didn't have them and he lost in electoral votes.
"electoral vote scheme that Clinton is pushing is bogus because the population sets used in primaries versus general election are entirely different" -- This map uses polls NOT from the primary population set but are samplings of the entire population in general election match-ups.
Can Obama win? Yes, but it's going to be awfully close and without this demographic close to impossible. His choice of a running mate is going to be imperative and why her argument is a decent one to be a VP. I know all her haters hate that idea, but this is not just a party for you. posted 05/11/2008 at 19:15:02
Kerry didn't carry them in large numbers either and he lost. His demographics look very similar to Obamas--see Gallup poll. Gore didn't have them and he lost in electoral votes.
"electoral vote scheme that Clinton is pushing is bogus because the population sets used in primaries versus general election are entirely different" -- This map uses polls NOT from the primary population set but are samplings of the entire population in general election match-ups.
Can Obama win? Yes, but it's going to be awfully close and without this demographic close to impossible. His choice of a running mate is going to be imperative and why her argument is a decent one to be a VP. I know all her haters hate that idea, but this is not just a party for you. posted 05/11/2008 at 19:15:02
This is no primary polls--these are polls of all voters in GE match-ups. posted 05/11/2008 at 17:12:46
I love how everyone assumes I am a woman. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:33:01
Oh I win. Obama is a dem and I like him, so I don't lose at all. I don't harbor hate like you. So I guess it's you that loses. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:24:39
Actually the AP article she quoted called them that. Go talk to the AP. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:19:36
Because she ran a GE campaign not a primary campaign--bad idea.
Also because Obama won the AA vote overwhelmingly. If she had those votes, she would have won. I think that why Obama's camp (not Obama but his people) went after Bill when the things he said weren't even racists, in my eyes or Jackson's eyes (who admitted that). They needed to get the black vote away from the Clinton's.
Also, Clinton's own negatives contributed to this as well. Either way-she is a better bet against McCain regardless of why. But Obama will be the candidate and hopefully beat McCain. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:12:57
Also because Obama won the AA vote overwhelmingly. If she had those votes, she would have won. I think that why Obama's camp (not Obama but his people) went after Bill when the things he said weren't even racists, in my eyes or Jackson's eyes (who admitted that). They needed to get the black vote away from the Clinton's.
Also, Clinton's own negatives contributed to this as well. Either way-she is a better bet against McCain regardless of why. But Obama will be the candidate and hopefully beat McCain. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:12:57
I do overanalyze, but she was careful to quote an AP article and not use her own words. She should have changed the words to "blue collar" instead of hard working whites. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:07:31
I linked to the wrong site. Sorry. http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/19460/gallup-obamas-white-voter-support-about-the-same-as-john-kerrys/ posted 05/11/2008 at 16:03:43
Because she didn't run a primary-based campaign. She ran a general election campaign and that was her main error. posted 05/11/2008 at 16:02:33
It's also interesting to note that the Gallup poll found that Obama has the same demographics as Kerry did. http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May11.html
If the AP article that Clinton quoted said Kerry wasn't successful at reaching the blue collar workers would that be racist too? posted 05/11/2008 at 15:48:43
If the AP article that Clinton quoted said Kerry wasn't successful at reaching the blue collar workers would that be racist too? posted 05/11/2008 at 15:48:43
Why don't you marinate in this cognitive dissonance for a while are realize with painful discovery that Clinton has a point that she brings a bigger coalition of voters.
This map can of course change over the next few months, but it's going to be a tough fight. It's got every poll out there and converts the polls to electoral votes for the GE. A national poll doesn't tell you anything unless it's put into electoral votes by state.
It's over for Clinton, but she had a point.
271 is a win
Clinton 280 McCain 258 Ties 0
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May11.html
Obama 254 McCain 273 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May11.html posted 05/11/2008 at 15:30:53
This map can of course change over the next few months, but it's going to be a tough fight. It's got every poll out there and converts the polls to electoral votes for the GE. A national poll doesn't tell you anything unless it's put into electoral votes by state.
It's over for Clinton, but she had a point.
271 is a win
Clinton 280 McCain 258 Ties 0
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May11.html
Obama 254 McCain 273 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May11.html posted 05/11/2008 at 15:30:53
She is saying she has been getting these voters that Obama hasn't. By no means does it mean that all her supporters are racists and uneducated--thus the irony that SNL is using when saying "my supporters are racists" suggesting that of course not all are. I am a bi-racial attorney and I supported her and I can tell you I am educated and not racist, but being that I dared bring up race, I am sure you find I way to call me one.
Also many blue collar whites aren't racist because they vote for Hillary--maybe they just want to vote for someone that will fight for them and don't care about race or gender. posted 05/11/2008 at 15:18:53
Also many blue collar whites aren't racist because they vote for Hillary--maybe they just want to vote for someone that will fight for them and don't care about race or gender. posted 05/11/2008 at 15:18:53
I absolutely love this. You keep on drinking your own cool-aide. It's over for Clinton true--it's just hilarious to see you Clinton haters keep on feeding on your own hate. It's a like an addiction and the hypocrisy is the best comedy out there. Obama's dove-like respectful anti-divisive supporters acting like vultures is priceless. posted 05/11/2008 at 15:10:18
Ahhha. Thanks for the Sunday belly laugh. posted 05/11/2008 at 14:58:19
This skit was brilliantly made to be whatever the viewer sees it to be. It's a Rorcharch test.
I see it mocking the anti-Clinton haters with their absurd claims that Hillary won't support Obama just to run in 2012, that all her white supporters are racists and that we don't need a fighter to beat the repubs. posted 05/11/2008 at 14:45:48
I see it mocking the anti-Clinton haters with their absurd claims that Hillary won't support Obama just to run in 2012, that all her white supporters are racists and that we don't need a fighter to beat the repubs. posted 05/11/2008 at 14:45:48
"the most vile hatred posted this primary season has been coming from the Hillary haters that are not Republicans." I agree, the Clinton-haters are worse than anything Hillary has done or said.
The side show of this campaign has added two new things to our culture:
1. No one can mention race without being called racist.
2. Anyone can say anything sexist they want and get away with it. posted 05/11/2008 at 12:57:04
The side show of this campaign has added two new things to our culture:
1. No one can mention race without being called racist.
2. Anyone can say anything sexist they want and get away with it. posted 05/11/2008 at 12:57:04
Hillary's Chances: Growing Chorus Says It's Not Going To Happen
Can we just cut the crap on Hillary and get on the phone. posted 05/09/2008 at 18:27:20
Right on! posted 05/09/2008 at 18:20:05
No it is not accurate and it is a map we can change, but the primary math means nothing in the GE. So let's get to changing this map. posted 05/09/2008 at 18:08:01
It's got every poll on the planet in it. We can change this map in favor of Obama so let's get to it. I hope everyone on here isn't just relying on donating and blogging. It's going to take a big effort and since there are so many people on here that care about Obama so much, let's get to it. posted 05/09/2008 at 18:06:45
The primary vote means nothing in the GE and neither do national polls that aren't converted into GE electoral votes. You should get out there and help. posted 05/09/2008 at 18:03:30
Why wouldn't you want to help him? Get out there or on the phone and start helping. He is going to need everyone, both Hillary and Obama die-hards to help.
Look at the map for Obama vs McCain, find out the swing states he is close to McCain in and start campaigning for him there.
Doesn't his message of YOU are what we've been waiting for mean anything to you?
Put your efforts where your mouth is. posted 05/09/2008 at 17:56:11
Look at the map for Obama vs McCain, find out the swing states he is close to McCain in and start campaigning for him there.
Doesn't his message of YOU are what we've been waiting for mean anything to you?
Put your efforts where your mouth is. posted 05/09/2008 at 17:56:11
Okay Obama die-hards. I expect each and every one of you who have been slandering Hillary to go out there and campaign for Obama hard now because this is what we are looking at for the GE. This is a map of polls converted into the electoral votes of the GE. So, since Hillary is out, I hope you get your phone plans extended to make calls over the country, especially in Florida, for him because the dems are going to need you and this is going to be a huge fight.
270 is a win
Clinton 280 McCain 258
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May09.html
Obama 254 McCain 273 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May09.html posted 05/09/2008 at 17:48:36
270 is a win
Clinton 280 McCain 258
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May09.html
Obama 254 McCain 273 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May09.html posted 05/09/2008 at 17:48:36
Clinton's Open Letter To Obama On MI and FL
It's not about popular vote polls, it's about turning those popular vote polls into electoral colleage votes in the GE. posted 05/09/2008 at 00:33:09
She wants a revote posted 05/08/2008 at 21:09:47
3 is opinion and I respect you if you think Obama would be better, but
number 2 is by far in Clinton's favor if you take the polls and put them into electoral votes for the GE. These numbers do not however, consider any campaigning Obama can do to improve these numbers before Nov.
Clinton 291 McCain 247
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May08.html
Obama 264 McCain 263 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May08.html posted 05/08/2008 at 21:06:37
number 2 is by far in Clinton's favor if you take the polls and put them into electoral votes for the GE. These numbers do not however, consider any campaigning Obama can do to improve these numbers before Nov.
Clinton 291 McCain 247
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May08.html
Obama 264 McCain 263 Ties 11
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May08.html posted 05/08/2008 at 21:06:37
You got that right. The difference is that the primary should put forth a candidate that fulfills all three of these criteria:
1. having the supported of the people when ALL the people have had their say
2. put forth the candidate that the party thinks can best beat the republican
3. put forth the candidate that they party feels would be the best president
FL and MI should revote and then the SDs can evaluate. (Hillary is only asking the FL and MI to count "as is" put pressure on to allow the revote happen. The Clintons are smart enough to know they won't award her all the votes/delegates in those states as they stand now.) posted 05/08/2008 at 20:49:19
1. having the supported of the people when ALL the people have had their say
2. put forth the candidate that the party thinks can best beat the republican
3. put forth the candidate that they party feels would be the best president
FL and MI should revote and then the SDs can evaluate. (Hillary is only asking the FL and MI to count "as is" put pressure on to allow the revote happen. The Clintons are smart enough to know they won't award her all the votes/delegates in those states as they stand now.) posted 05/08/2008 at 20:49:19
That was assuming someone got to 2025 which every pundit thought would happen. Getting to the determined number of 2025 meant someone had an overwhelming majority. Without that no one has an overwhleming majority. Thus the change.
Sine no one has an over whelming majority and the race is this close, we should measure the will of the people and that means having a revote.
It's fair and accurate and would give us the TRUTH. Why would you be against the truth?
Obama could beat her, so relax. posted 05/08/2008 at 20:41:21
Sine no one has an over whelming majority and the race is this close, we should measure the will of the people and that means having a revote.
It's fair and accurate and would give us the TRUTH. Why would you be against the truth?
Obama could beat her, so relax. posted 05/08/2008 at 20:41:21
No one in the political world including Clinton or Obama thought no one would get to 2025, which represents an overwhelming majority. Since no one got the overwhelming majorit let's revote in MI and FL. Measuring the will of the will of the people superceeds any desire to have this election end before this is done.
If the DNC felt that we needed to start the GE campaign before the convention, they should have moved that up. GE campaigning never really starts until after the convention anway.
You know, Obama could blow her out of the water in a revote, so relax. posted 05/08/2008 at 18:48:09
If the DNC felt that we needed to start the GE campaign before the convention, they should have moved that up. GE campaigning never really starts until after the convention anway.
You know, Obama could blow her out of the water in a revote, so relax. posted 05/08/2008 at 18:48:09
I think that before when the race was not to be this close, we wouldn't need FL and MI.
BUT since it is this close you should have all the states weigh in. That's the difference from her past comments.
This has to be fair though, so we need to have another election in FL and MI. Apparently, there are elections in August in these two states, so we can do it then. I don't really care if people want this over now, if measuring the will of the people takes time, so be it.
There is nothing to fear from measuring the truth. In no way does that mean Hillary would prevail the winner, Obama could still beat her in either state.
Let's not fear the truth. posted 05/08/2008 at 18:17:17
BUT since it is this close you should have all the states weigh in. That's the difference from her past comments.
This has to be fair though, so we need to have another election in FL and MI. Apparently, there are elections in August in these two states, so we can do it then. I don't really care if people want this over now, if measuring the will of the people takes time, so be it.
There is nothing to fear from measuring the truth. In no way does that mean Hillary would prevail the winner, Obama could still beat her in either state.
Let's not fear the truth. posted 05/08/2008 at 18:17:17
Obama Hits Hamas "Smear": McCain Is "Losing His Bearings"
What does that mean? I want to be a cool acronym blogger too. :) posted 05/09/2008 at 00:17:43
What does ROG LMFAO mean? I see it everywhere and can't figure the acronym out for the life of me. posted 05/09/2008 at 00:16:23
The $3 Trillion Shopping Spree
Now you are on the right track. Let's move the dialogue forward toward the goal of putting this administration out of business of jingoism.
Another place for the money...developing a real rail system to reduce the demand of fuel by airplanes. Can you talk to your buddies in Hollywood about letting go of their private jets? It's a little bit hypocritical of them to claim to be green and riding around in those guzzlers. posted 05/09/2008 at 15:35:41
Another place for the money...developing a real rail system to reduce the demand of fuel by airplanes. Can you talk to your buddies in Hollywood about letting go of their private jets? It's a little bit hypocritical of them to claim to be green and riding around in those guzzlers. posted 05/09/2008 at 15:35:41
Clinton: Obama Not Winning Over "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans"
Just because I defend Hillary, does not mean I any hostility toward my black brethern or Obama. I adore the man. I have hositlity toward people calling others (black or white)racist when there is none. If gone unchecked, like sexism, it sets us back, not forward.
Living in between the races can be very difficult when people throw racist comments at each other. I believe that is part of why Obama is who he is--someone who has perfected bridging lines across differences. The difference with me, is while I understand it, I choose to call people on it. It needs to be put in check on both sides (not ignored). If not, it just transforms itself into another form, like the one we see here on this site.
And again, I am voting for Obama for all the wonderful things he is and because Hillary is not going to get the nod. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:21:15
Living in between the races can be very difficult when people throw racist comments at each other. I believe that is part of why Obama is who he is--someone who has perfected bridging lines across differences. The difference with me, is while I understand it, I choose to call people on it. It needs to be put in check on both sides (not ignored). If not, it just transforms itself into another form, like the one we see here on this site.
And again, I am voting for Obama for all the wonderful things he is and because Hillary is not going to get the nod. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:21:15
I see the Bonsia gaffe as an exaggeration and stupid but not something to call her a liar for as the president of Bosnia said there were snipers in the hills there. There are other things, I know but there are many thing Obama has said and done that are equally questionable but I won't post them here to be negative.
In the end they both are panderers with huge egos (as anyone is that runs for president) but both want to help our country. They are both coming from good places and mean well.
Am I like her? In many ways yes and in many ways no. I do what I can for underprivledged and unrepresented people in my law practice.
I posted many things above about her character and am going to sign off now because I have posted too much here, mostly because I am so angry about the character assassition against her that lives and breaths on this site. It reflects what happens when people's hate for someone transends reality and THAT is not the goal of the progressive movement. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:12:10
In the end they both are panderers with huge egos (as anyone is that runs for president) but both want to help our country. They are both coming from good places and mean well.
Am I like her? In many ways yes and in many ways no. I do what I can for underprivledged and unrepresented people in my law practice.
I posted many things above about her character and am going to sign off now because I have posted too much here, mostly because I am so angry about the character assassition against her that lives and breaths on this site. It reflects what happens when people's hate for someone transends reality and THAT is not the goal of the progressive movement. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:12:10
If Obama wins the nod, which is likely, I will support Obama. BUT I will not stand for the calling of Hillary, Bill or Ferraro racists when they are not. If it happens to them it happens in daily life and it's people like you that allow this to happen. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:03:11
You bet she does. She has fought for people all her life before during and after her days as first lady.
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:00:31
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay. posted 05/08/2008 at 23:00:31
Oh Puleez to you too.
I am a biracial attorney and not stupid. Obama's camp knew they have to get the black vote that the Clinton's always enjoyed away from them by calling them racist.
They also knew they had a problem with feminist women who supported Hillary. So they went after an icon to them, Ferraro.
Hillary in her recent comments was citing FACTUAL statistics like, like Ferraro and Bill as political scientist. Its a fact, she has won most of the blue collar voters. Since Obama about 99% of the black vote in every economic group, the only ones left in the blue collar group are white.
Wake up and smell the truth and lose the apologetic white distorted view of this. posted 05/08/2008 at 22:41:16
I am a biracial attorney and not stupid. Obama's camp knew they have to get the black vote that the Clinton's always enjoyed away from them by calling them racist.
They also knew they had a problem with feminist women who supported Hillary. So they went after an icon to them, Ferraro.
Hillary in her recent comments was citing FACTUAL statistics like, like Ferraro and Bill as political scientist. Its a fact, she has won most of the blue collar voters. Since Obama about 99% of the black vote in every economic group, the only ones left in the blue collar group are white.
Wake up and smell the truth and lose the apologetic white distorted view of this. posted 05/08/2008 at 22:41:16
Does the same go for women who enjoy $.70 to every dollar a man makes and faced similary things that Hillary has in this campaign?
What' things.?...see link
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/04/09/one_last_time/index.html
Is it okay for women to celebrate a female candidate too or is that reserved to only the African American protected class? posted 05/08/2008 at 22:25:10
What' things.?...see link
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/04/09/one_last_time/index.html
Is it okay for women to celebrate a female candidate too or is that reserved to only the African American protected class? posted 05/08/2008 at 22:25:10
It's also why they went after Ferraro and Bill C for saying things that weren't racist either. Jackson said he didn't think the comments were racists at all and even Obama agreed with Ferraro, who never said his race was the ONLY reason Obama was where he was.
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?
http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/ posted 05/08/2008 at 22:05:09
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race. If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?
http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/ posted 05/08/2008 at 22:05:09
And how did she start race baiting. posted 05/08/2008 at 21:44:46
If we are being honest I will talk about the elephant in the room.
1. some people won't vote for Obama because they are racists, yes.
2 some people won't vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
3. some African Americans will vote for Obama because he is black (and a good candidate)
4. someone women will vote for Hillary because she is a female (and a good candidate)
5. some white people vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black (and a good candidate)
BUT some people will vote/d of Hillary because of what she has done over her life, including me and I am biracial attorney.
And my main point is that some white blue collar people will vote for Hillary not because they are racists (although some are) but because they have more urgent needs to vote for soemone who they feel will fight for them and their economic problems and aren't that interested in race or gender. posted 05/08/2008 at 21:43:55
1. some people won't vote for Obama because they are racists, yes.
2 some people won't vote for Hillary because she is a woman.
3. some African Americans will vote for Obama because he is black (and a good candidate)
4. someone women will vote for Hillary because she is a female (and a good candidate)
5. some white people vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black (and a good candidate)
BUT some people will vote/d of Hillary because of what she has done over her life, including me and I am biracial attorney.
And my main point is that some white blue collar people will vote for Hillary not because they are racists (although some are) but because they have more urgent needs to vote for soemone who they feel will fight for them and their economic problems and aren't that interested in race or gender. posted 05/08/2008 at 21:43:55
Can someone please tell me why it's okay for CNN to say over and over again on primary night that Obama was expected to win in the cities that had high populations of African Americans? posted 05/08/2008 at 21:28:20
It actually feels good to be able to look at things with a critical and rational eye and not through the eye of an apologetic white, eager to call others racist to prove I am not or an African American who is hypersenstive to anyone that dares talk about race.
I am a bi-racial jewish attorney who supported Hillary and now will support Obama but will not tolerate this outcry of racism from the Obama supporters when it simply does not exist. posted 05/08/2008 at 11:05:06
I am a bi-racial jewish attorney who supported Hillary and now will support Obama but will not tolerate this outcry of racism from the Obama supporters when it simply does not exist. posted 05/08/2008 at 11:05:06
"Broader base" are the words talking about numbers.
She and Obama are a political scientists who both looks at at their numbers every night on spreadsheets that show the demographics of all their supporters.
Could it be that the groups she mentions not be willing to support Obama because they are racist? yes.
Could it also be because they aren't caught up in putting the first African American in the white house (not because they are racist) but because they have more urgent needs like someone who shows they understand their financial problems? yes.
Does it matter? Not really. It only matters who they will vote for in the GE. The dems needs these voters and are likely swinging between McCain and Clinton and are not up for grabs for Obama.
Look--I am behind Obama as the presumptive nominee but support Hillary continuing as she can't hurt Obama now and neither do these comments. posted 05/08/2008 at 10:46:23
She and Obama are a political scientists who both looks at at their numbers every night on spreadsheets that show the demographics of all their supporters.
Could it be that the groups she mentions not be willing to support Obama because they are racist? yes.
Could it also be because they aren't caught up in putting the first African American in the white house (not because they are racist) but because they have more urgent needs like someone who shows they understand their financial problems? yes.
Does it matter? Not really. It only matters who they will vote for in the GE. The dems needs these voters and are likely swinging between McCain and Clinton and are not up for grabs for Obama.
Look--I am behind Obama as the presumptive nominee but support Hillary continuing as she can't hurt Obama now and neither do these comments. posted 05/08/2008 at 10:46:23
Look all she is saying is that numbers matter in the General Election. Get over the your ridiculous accusation that she is "throwing down the white race gauntlet". It shows your staggering inability to think critically and your desire to feel good from proojecting hate.
I will support Obama but I take offense to his irrational supporters that use ridiculous hate-filled accusations to build support. It's so counter-intuative to his message and also dead wrong on facts. posted 05/08/2008 at 10:06:40
I will support Obama but I take offense to his irrational supporters that use ridiculous hate-filled accusations to build support. It's so counter-intuative to his message and also dead wrong on facts. posted 05/08/2008 at 10:06:40
Ten Suggestions for Barack Obama
Wel done! I am on the same page with everything you have to say.
It's nice for all anti-Clinton people to hear that not everyone supporting Hillary are a dumb uneducated non-progressive racists. They are also critical thinking progressives who maybe just didn't buy into voting based on star quality, Obama's message that his politics are new (remember Bill C reached across the isle for 8 years of peace and prosperity, including peace between Isreal and Iran) or the ridiculous subversive smear campaign against Clinton demonstrated daily on this site, talk radio and by tv pundits.
And for the Obama supporters who can't stomach Hillary as a running mate--this country is not just for you! Almost as many people voted for her and she can help him carry the dems to victory. She is a wonderful compassionate accomplished woman and I would be thrilled with an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Obama/Clinton 08 posted 05/09/2008 at 15:12:35
It's nice for all anti-Clinton people to hear that not everyone supporting Hillary are a dumb uneducated non-progressive racists. They are also critical thinking progressives who maybe just didn't buy into voting based on star quality, Obama's message that his politics are new (remember Bill C reached across the isle for 8 years of peace and prosperity, including peace between Isreal and Iran) or the ridiculous subversive smear campaign against Clinton demonstrated daily on this site, talk radio and by tv pundits.
And for the Obama supporters who can't stomach Hillary as a running mate--this country is not just for you! Almost as many people voted for her and she can help him carry the dems to victory. She is a wonderful compassionate accomplished woman and I would be thrilled with an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Obama/Clinton 08 posted 05/09/2008 at 15:12:35
George McGovern Switches To Obama, Urges Clinton To Drop Out
Direct your disgust toward the poster for bringing up Roy-not Clinton. posted 05/08/2008 at 09:56:25
How do you go directly from what OhReallySheSaid said to "Clinton lies again"?
You act like blind followers of any icon - blame the opponent for every obstacle your leader has. That's just not rational.
My recommendation to you: Whenever you are feeling an overwhleming amount of hate for anything take a step back and consider that part of your hate (maybe not all of it) is not rational. posted 05/08/2008 at 09:54:24
You act like blind followers of any icon - blame the opponent for every obstacle your leader has. That's just not rational.
My recommendation to you: Whenever you are feeling an overwhleming amount of hate for anything take a step back and consider that part of your hate (maybe not all of it) is not rational. posted 05/08/2008 at 09:54:24
I'll think you'll get a lot farther by respecting the Hillary supporters at this point and stop the hate-filled arrogant comments toward them.
You need them to support Obama, so why don't YOU CHANGE your attitude start following Obama's lead of grace, respect and unity. posted 05/07/2008 at 17:07:58
You need them to support Obama, so why don't YOU CHANGE your attitude start following Obama's lead of grace, respect and unity. posted 05/07/2008 at 17:07:58
Turning Point for Obama, Limbaugh Winning Indiana for Hillary
I think I have demonstrated that she offers a lot more than her womanhood.
Do you think Obama should be upset that he garners 98% of the black vote? Or are you going to tell me that has nothing to do with his race? posted 05/07/2008 at 17:25:01
Do you think Obama should be upset that he garners 98% of the black vote? Or are you going to tell me that has nothing to do with his race? posted 05/07/2008 at 17:25:01
You don't seem to understand that she fought for children and women all her life.
And yes she is doing this out of ego too but SO IS Obama. Don't be so naive. He decided to run for office after 1 year of in the US senate!! That's arrogant and self-centered to ask us to put lives of every American in his hands? I will if he has the nom but get off the whole ego argument.
And don't give me the JFK comparison because he had over 12 years experience, a military record AND ran the most divisive brutal primary in modern history.
You hate her and that's fine. But I like her, am a progressive, critical thinker, make well over $200K, have a graduate degree and drink Burnello by the case. posted 05/07/2008 at 16:35:57
And yes she is doing this out of ego too but SO IS Obama. Don't be so naive. He decided to run for office after 1 year of in the US senate!! That's arrogant and self-centered to ask us to put lives of every American in his hands? I will if he has the nom but get off the whole ego argument.
And don't give me the JFK comparison because he had over 12 years experience, a military record AND ran the most divisive brutal primary in modern history.
You hate her and that's fine. But I like her, am a progressive, critical thinker, make well over $200K, have a graduate degree and drink Burnello by the case. posted 05/07/2008 at 16:35:57
Reading skills please. SHE didn't say this--I and servatius are saying it.
I swear--it's just like people saying that Hillary magically created Rev Wright. Or that she was behind his press conference where he mocked Obama. posted 05/07/2008 at 14:53:13
I swear--it's just like people saying that Hillary magically created Rev Wright. Or that she was behind his press conference where he mocked Obama. posted 05/07/2008 at 14:53:13
Surely Mr. Unity can find a way to make this work. If he can't then I can only assume that he'll never be able to reach across the isle on the hill with the sinister republicans there. (Not that that is NEW POLITICS--surely you remeber Bill successfully reaching across the isle for 8 years of peace and prosperity.)
Since Obama has done NOTHING to show he has the capability to unify this country or its politicians, I suggest he show us that he can by the act of pulling Clinton and her supporters under his wing. She has the numbes he will need to beat McCain. Like it or not, he can't do without her supporters. posted 05/07/2008 at 14:42:21
Since Obama has done NOTHING to show he has the capability to unify this country or its politicians, I suggest he show us that he can by the act of pulling Clinton and her supporters under his wing. She has the numbes he will need to beat McCain. Like it or not, he can't do without her supporters. posted 05/07/2008 at 14:42:21
Since you asked, here are few things that don't include her senate and first lady years. She is such a monster, hugh?
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay. posted 05/07/2008 at 13:59:02
--Hillary was twice named as US top 100 Attorneys
--Hillary was named as one of 300 Women Who Changed the Word
--As a law student, Hillary represented foster children and parents in family court and worked on some of the earliest studies creating legal standards for identifying and protecting abused children.
--Following graduation, she became a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund.
--Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse.
--She organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor.
--She ran a task force to improve education in Arkansas through higher standards for schools and serving on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital, helping them expand and improve their services. She also served on national boards for the Children's Defense Fund, the Child Care Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop.
--She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm. She led the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which played a pioneering role in raising awareness of issues like sexual harassment and equal pay. posted 05/07/2008 at 13:59:02
We can always count on you sebocd for more divisive hate-filled comments.
I don't judge any of my female friends, many of which agonized over a decision to stay or leave their cheating husbands. I assure you that those that stayed are not underperforming in their jobs as a result.
I respect Hillary's decision to stay (not that it's any of my business) and the truth is...no one knows what goes on between two people in a marriage and sometimes it takes more strength to stay.
I know a lot of women agree with your point, but it is perfect example of how women are MUCH harder on other women in the wordplace than men. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:57:13
I don't judge any of my female friends, many of which agonized over a decision to stay or leave their cheating husbands. I assure you that those that stayed are not underperforming in their jobs as a result.
I respect Hillary's decision to stay (not that it's any of my business) and the truth is...no one knows what goes on between two people in a marriage and sometimes it takes more strength to stay.
I know a lot of women agree with your point, but it is perfect example of how women are MUCH harder on other women in the wordplace than men. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:57:13
Part1
Hillary staying in the race is not preventing ending this war.
I do not tolerate intellectual laziness. It amazes me that people that support Obama claim to be critical thinkers and don't just respond to one dimensional sound bites. You are quick to crucify her for this way but obviously missed her floor speech. So why wouldn't you look deeper into what she did agree on for the War. Here are some quotes.
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us.
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.
I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:42:39
Hillary staying in the race is not preventing ending this war.
I do not tolerate intellectual laziness. It amazes me that people that support Obama claim to be critical thinkers and don't just respond to one dimensional sound bites. You are quick to crucify her for this way but obviously missed her floor speech. So why wouldn't you look deeper into what she did agree on for the War. Here are some quotes.
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us.
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.
While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.
I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:42:39
Part 2
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:42:06
I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial.
My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. posted 05/07/2008 at 10:42:06
Yes--according to polls eventhough she won the caucus there, Obama has better chance of winning that state in the GE. Hillary won't win it. THAT is the point. The primary polls don't hold weight in the GE and the Obama caucus states he won mean little as well. You should look at a direct match-up between candidates. See my post above which shows you that math. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:56:02
If you want Hillary to go so bad, call your buddy Obama and get him to promise he the VP spot. That way as soon as she pulls out, he announces her as her running mate. THAT would work. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:14:28
You are suggesting they kill her? Wow--you miss the whole point of the Obama non-divisive message. How violent of you. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:10:33
Love you Tom, but Clinton should go to the convention as a symbol for women--as the first woman to have gone that far. Let it go and please stop pressuring her to pull out. No one is pressuring Ron Paul. No one pressured Brown against Bill Clinton, who went to the convention with only 600 delegates.
I know where you are coming from that you don't like the character attack on Obama but blame the media, not Hillary. Hillary never brought up Ayers or Wright NOT EVER. She only commented on them when asked and in a debate. I am so offended that people are attacking her for this. The damage was not done by Hillary but by the media and Wright himself.
Obama is free to dismiss her and turn her attention to McCain now, but I don't think she should pull out. Keep on going. It's inspiring to women, even though she'll likely not win. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:08:16
I know where you are coming from that you don't like the character attack on Obama but blame the media, not Hillary. Hillary never brought up Ayers or Wright NOT EVER. She only commented on them when asked and in a debate. I am so offended that people are attacking her for this. The damage was not done by Hillary but by the media and Wright himself.
Obama is free to dismiss her and turn her attention to McCain now, but I don't think she should pull out. Keep on going. It's inspiring to women, even though she'll likely not win. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:08:16
Penn Jillette Makes Hillary "White B*tch" Joke On MSNBC, Joe & Mika Condemn Him
She appeals to racist voters? Maybe she appeals to people that AREN'T voting on race and have other problems that are more important. WOW--hate does crazy things to people's ability to think clearly. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:36:19
If you hate Hillary, you have decided that long before Feb and I believe have been looking in irrational places to justify your decision. FL And MI are only in play now because the race is so close and no one can get to 2025 so measuring the will of the people comes down to measuring ALL the people. That's not nasty or divisive. That's logical.
I am so glad I now know that the left has just as many easily mind-controlled people as the religious right. I really thought our party was a party of thinkers who looked at things through a critical eye, but I was wrong. I love learning new things and this election has allowed me to see that people believe what they are told without using rationality no matter what party they allign themselves with. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:34:18
I am so glad I now know that the left has just as many easily mind-controlled people as the religious right. I really thought our party was a party of thinkers who looked at things through a critical eye, but I was wrong. I love learning new things and this election has allowed me to see that people believe what they are told without using rationality no matter what party they allign themselves with. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:34:18
This campaign has separated the critical thinkers from the mind-contolled people on the left. People who can't see positioning for what it is, think this quoted is offensive,
"I have 30 years of experience, Sen. McCain has...., Sen. Obama has a speech"
Use your strategy hat here for a second. She is only saying (the day after McCain won the nomination) that since McCain is going to run on experience, I am better positioned to go up against him than Obama based on experience. That's not a bad or disgusting thing to say. You can disagree, but for goodness sakes look at it rationally. She is not a monster or evil for saying she is better than Obama to beat McCain. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:30:37
"I have 30 years of experience, Sen. McCain has...., Sen. Obama has a speech"
Use your strategy hat here for a second. She is only saying (the day after McCain won the nomination) that since McCain is going to run on experience, I am better positioned to go up against him than Obama based on experience. That's not a bad or disgusting thing to say. You can disagree, but for goodness sakes look at it rationally. She is not a monster or evil for saying she is better than Obama to beat McCain. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:30:37
Boy--have you been tricked. Hillary has tons of online supporters from voters and Obama has tons of corporate supporters that work as bundlers.
There is no reason from fanatics. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:25:44
There is no reason from fanatics. posted 05/06/2008 at 16:25:44
You overlook the fact that while Obama has raised more, Hillary's fundraising is leeps and bounds larger than any other candidate in history as well. posted 05/06/2008 at 13:35:15
Hillary has been crucified every single time from Obama supporters that she points out his weaknesses, not just about Ayers and Wright and THAT is sexist.
I support Hillary because I am sick of having someone in the Whitehouse that is going to learn on the job. Hillary has a long record of compassionate work where she actually DID things for our people BEFORE, DURING and AFTER her days in the Whitehouse. I posted examples all over so I won't bore you here---go to my profile if that's not enough for you.
Obama is a wonderful candidate but he is but is also a professional critic (which I am too) that gets his strength in commentating from the luxury of hindsight with an extremely limited history of making his ideas work. In other words, he's reactive, with little evidence of proactive work. And Bill Clinton was before Barak who reached across the isle with 8 years of peace and prospertiy, so Obama's "new politics" are not new.
And we talked aobut JFK--he ran the nastiest primary against Johnson and had 12 years of US senate experience with military experience, so I don't see the correlation.
If he is the nominee, I will support him 100% but this is a big job and I want someone paying attention to DETAILS this time--not just setting strategy, as lyrical as he makes it sound. posted 05/06/2008 at 13:08:40
I support Hillary because I am sick of having someone in the Whitehouse that is going to learn on the job. Hillary has a long record of compassionate work where she actually DID things for our people BEFORE, DURING and AFTER her days in the Whitehouse. I posted examples all over so I won't bore you here---go to my profile if that's not enough for you.
Obama is a wonderful candidate but he is but is also a professional critic (which I am too) that gets his strength in commentating from the luxury of hindsight with an extremely limited history of making his ideas work. In other words, he's reactive, with little evidence of proactive work. And Bill Clinton was before Barak who reached across the isle with 8 years of peace and prospertiy, so Obama's "new politics" are not new.
And we talked aobut JFK--he ran the nastiest primary against Johnson and had 12 years of US senate experience with military experience, so I don't see the correlation.
If he is the nominee, I will support him 100% but this is a big job and I want someone paying attention to DETAILS this time--not just setting strategy, as lyrical as he makes it sound. posted 05/06/2008 at 13:08:40
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