CraigWilloughby

Hearing her say all of this nearly brought me to tears. My hope and my passion have been failing after a rough weekend, but hearing her saying, "I believe you, I believe there may be a link and we need to study this," nearly overwhelmed me. An accredited IOM doctor and former head of the NIH! Bless her for her views and openly speaking them. The autism community will be behind her 100% when the smear campaign begins by the nay-sayers. But they won't be able to say "nay" anymore pretty soon if enough people like this wonderful woman come forward. They've been ignoring our voices, but they won't be able to anymore. The part that chilled me the most was "a report from 2004 basically said, 'Do not pursue susceptibility groups. Don't look for those children who may be vulnerable.' I really take issue with that conclusion." "

Hey, vaccine militants? We have another conversion on over here. Perhaps you should listen to her? She is one of your saintly doctors, after all.... posted 05/12/2008 at 22:29:19

"Why is a "consensus" acceptable for the global warming issue"

Yes, but they fought tooth and nail to deny it. The Oil industry even hired scientists to disprove the theory. They are still trying to deny that they are a contributing factor to global warming.

Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. posted 05/12/2008 at 12:51:46

I've never said that the only cause was Thimerosal. There are other toxic chemicals in vaccines, and my son received his vaccine back in 2003, when thimerosal was still in the vaccines. I maintain that vaccines ARE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. I also maintain that the mercury is also a contributing factor. The CDC continues to say that mercury is not in the shots anymore, but they are either lying or they are mistaken. According to the FDA, the flu shots, the DTaP, and the HepB shots (to name a few) all still contain thimerosal. Also, the flu shot is recommended to pregnant women, so the developing fetus is getting a nice, unhealthy dose of mercury during those all-important development months.

The whole point of all of us parents talking about this is that Vaccines CAN AND HAVE contributed to autism, and something needs to be done. posted 05/12/2008 at 12:36:04

Ah, but you see, there is profit in the side effects. The pHARMa industry doesn't want people who are well. It would cut into their profit margins. Now, there is a pill for everything. Is your child autistic? Here, give them risperodal. Can't sleep, here's some trezidone. Hyper? Here's some Ritalin. Depressed? Here's some Prozac (yes, they tried to give my 6 year old son PROZAC!!!). ANd here's some more drugs to counteract the side effects of the other drugs. Here's some more drugs to counter the side-effects of the side-effects. While they may not be making a profit off the vaccines themselves (which is not true..look up how much money Gardasil and Offit's Rotateq made), they are certainly making a profit off of the result.

The foreign studies you mention and the studies by the NIH are partially funded by pHARMa. posted 05/12/2008 at 12:30:16

Peer reviewed studies bought and paid for by the CDC, IOM, FDA and big pHARMa. This represent a conflict of interest. And we know that big pHARMa has fudged results of their products recently (Vioxx) and bought off doctors to sign off on them. Then, there was Big Tobacco several years ago that bought off doctors from the IOM to say that their product wasn't addictive.

Are you telling me that you don't believe that they could do something similar with Vaccines? posted 05/12/2008 at 12:15:11

My son's official medical report from his ER visit the day of his DTaP vaccine (which, btw STILL CONTAINS THIMEROSAL) was Encepalopathy caused by vaccine induced fever. Funny, Hannah Poling had a similar diagnoses...so did the Krakow child that was recently conceded as well. That is not a coincidence. posted 05/12/2008 at 12:03:41

Try this one. Part of it was aired on CBS news. This is the full interview

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/dr-healy-gov.html posted 05/12/2008 at 20:24:05

LindsE, there is a report tonight on CBS news where former NIH director Dr. Healy says that the CDC and the IOM refused to look at the subset of children that were reported to have adverse reactions after receiving vaccines (thank you for that link, Teresa...it was a wonderful end to a terrible day). What do you say to her? She believes that the link is there. posted 05/12/2008 at 18:24:08

Ok, what is your problem? None of us have ever done anything to hurt you or your family. Here's the kicker here, and it may be difficult for your closed mind to grasp, but none of us are endangering you by not vaccinating our children. All of our children are vaccinated! -gasp-

Maybe where you live there are good state programs, but not here! My insurance won't pay for my son because of his "pre-existing condition" (he was diagnosed at 2, how in the F___ can that be pre-existing?!), I make "too much money" to receive government or state benefits, and none of those will pay for the astronomical physical, speech and occupational therapy, as well as the numerous hospital visits I've been receiving lately. Additionally, I'm about to be evicted from my home because the neighbors have called the police on my wife and I because of my son's constant and high-pitched screams. So what am I supposed to do? Put him in an institution? I think not. I won't trust a government run intitution with my son because they are the cause of his condition, and I will still have to pay.

Perhaps before you start throwing your attitude, walk in our shoes for a while. You are afraid that we have this creepy underlying agenda. The only agenda we have is the safety of children.

I know, its a horrible agenda.

For Pete's sake, stop being a jerk and learn some compassion! posted 05/12/2008 at 14:35:01

Tell that to my son who will probably never lead a normal healthy life. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:44:11

What vaccine injured child? My son, Hannah Poling, the Krakow child, linlou's son, and the multitude of other parents who have documented medical evidence and proof that a vaccine caused and adverse reaction that developed into autism. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:39:48

"Frankly, I think there are a group of parents of autistic children who are (1) in denial that their genetics had anything to do with their children's autism, (2) refusing to take any responsibility for their children's autism, and (3) looking for some government agency to pay them for their children's autism."

Come and deal with my son for 2 hours. I don't take responsibility for him? I have to have alarms and special locks on my doors to prevent him from wandering off. I have to clean the feces that he smears on the walls, floors and furniture. I have to live with him screaming and holding his stomack in agony because he swallowed some rocks and now they are causing an intestinal blockage. How is that not taking responsibilty? And I'm looking to get money from the government? I don't want an f-ing cent of their blood money!!

Overwhelming evidence to the contrary? What overwhelming evidence? Are you talking about all these supposed peer-reviewed studies that claim there is no connection? Studies that have been massaged and cleaned to weed out the data that pHARMa doesn't want to show? Like the Denmark study where they removed and added numerous participants to change the data? posted 05/12/2008 at 13:33:16

"Surely by now you all must have a study ( since you are all anti-vaxers and scientifically inclined) of the prevalence of autism in children who have never been vaccinated. Keep in mind that this prevalence would have to be ZERO to support the idea that vaccinations cause autism. But I'll bet any of you that the prevalence is the same as it is in the vaccinated population."

There hasn't been one. The CDC is denying this study because they know what they'll find. And no, we all believe in genetic autism. What we are speaking of is regressive autism. Like the kind my son has after receiving a VACCINE THAT CAUSED HIS BRAIN TO SWELL! The official medical report and diagnoses was Encepalopathy due to vaccine induced fever.

You people keep spouting off about peer reviewed studies. These studies were bought and paid for by big pHARMa, the FDA, the CDC, the IOM, and the AAP, all parties who have a vested interest. Conflict of interest does not good science make!

But, go on, pull the wool over your eyes. Don't pay attention to the fact that Merck and the IOM have issued reports that lied about the safety of their products. There is no freaking way possible that it could EVER happen to the sacred cow that is Vaccines.

I have a bridge to sell you...... posted 05/12/2008 at 13:22:33

Dr. P, you stated: "believe me when I tell you that I think the CDC and FDA need a whole lot of help when it comes to how they've handled this issue. They could start by putting stronger and more confident statements about vaccine safety to reassure nervous parents.

But remember both agencies are headed by political appointees and subject to the whims and worries of politicians. When you consider how much damage politicians have done with science since 2000 (global warming, abstinence only education, how they handled Plan B going over the counter) one can only assume that "political science" is an oxymoron now.

So it's better to ask, since anti-vaccine folks keep making the accusation, what is the evidence we have to prove our claim? Thus far I see none."

So, do you believe that Merck paid ghost writers to doctor reports on the safety of Vioxx? Then paid Doctors to sign off on it. You don't think that it is in any way possible that they could have done the same to the reports of their vaccines? posted 05/12/2008 at 10:52:49

Dr. P stated this in a later post, but it won't let me reply, so I'll post it up here.

He said: "but if you know anything about vaccine pricing you're aware that profit margins are minimal to zero at all."

Ah, but you see, there is profit in the side effects. The pHARMa industry doesn't want people who are well. It would cut into their profit margins. Now, there is a pill for everything. Is your child autistic? Here, give them risperodal. Can't sleep, here's some trezidone. Hyper? Here's some Ritalin. Depressed? Here's some Prozac (yes, they tried to give my 6 year old son PROZAC!!!). ANd here's some more drugs to counteract the side effects of the other drugs. Here's some more drugs to counter the side-effects of the side-effects. While they may not be making a profit off the vaccines themselves (which is not true..look up how much money Gardasil and Offit's Rotateq made), they are certainly making a profit off of the result.

The reason that the CDC and IOM are so vehemently against DAN doctors and alternative remedies is because these are not regulated by them. Therefore, they can't make a profit from it.

BTW, I have a new name for Number 2. I'll call him For-Profit Offit. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:47:40

"The question is, and you can't answer, is that is the thimerasol in vaccines enough to cause any cell damage? "

Did you know that when they create the vaccines with Thimerasol, they have to where a Hazmat suit to use this toxic chemical? But it's perfectly safe to inject in babies. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:35:08

When will it be enough? How many children have to get brain damage or die because of pHARMa's quest for money? 100,000? 1,000,000? When will it be enough? When will they realize that the pHARMa industry owns the CDC, the FDA and the IOM. When will they look at what the pHARMa industry has done to lie about the safety of their products? Merck bought studies that lied about the safety of Vioxx, but when we point out that the Vaccine Gods could have lied about the safety of vaccines? Nope, we're just paranoid conspiracists.

I pray every day that these people get what's coming to them. posted 05/11/2008 at 17:31:50

You know, the funny thing about all this (if you can call it funny) is that I'm sure that Hannah and the Krakow child were both diagnosed with an ASD before going to vaccine court. Now, we have people like the Dr here saying that they don't actually have autism. So, what, going to vaccine court cures them?

The simple fact of the matter is this; these children, my son included, were normal until they received a poisonous vaccine. They were walking, talking and everything a normal child should be doing until they got the lethal injections. These parents, myself included, have VERIFIABLE MEDICAL PROOF AND DOCUMENTATION that states that their child was injured by a vaccine (my son's ER diagnoses was an encepalopathy caused by vaccined-induced fever). But, vaccines didn't harm them, according to people like him. His denial, his condescension and the attitudes of people like him cheapens and demeans everything that parents like us have to go through everyday. All for the herd-immunity; all for the greater good.

I can't put into words how furious I am right now. I don't think there is a word in the English language to describe the rage I am feeling. My son could be dying right now because he has an intestinal blockage, dying all for the "greater good." But people like this smug and arrogant doctor think that casualties are perfectly acceptable, as long as it doesn't happen to them or cut into their profits. posted 05/11/2008 at 17:31:36

In the 30's, we didn't have 36 vaccines within the 1st 3 years of life. In 1980, there were only 10 vaccinations.

Thimerasol is still in many childhood vaccines, including the HepB (given at birth!), the flu and the DTaP. posted 05/11/2008 at 13:27:49

The doctor seems to think he'll be ok. They did x-rays and found 7 of them, small ones, in his intestines. Their main concern is internal lacerations. Thank you so much for your concern. It truly is appreciated. posted 05/10/2008 at 14:05:31

I agree with you 100%. It's the arrogant and condescending attitude that this "Doctor" presents that gets so many parents to seek alternative treatments to help their children. But, this guy probably doesn't have any children or know any autistic children, so it doesn't concern him as long as it doesn't cut into his profits posted 05/10/2008 at 13:10:40

Posting here due to indentation.

When a medical procedure is unsafe, they stop doing it until they can study it more to make it safer. When a vehicle has problems with safety, they remove it from the market until they can make it safer.

It doesn't matter that it's 100% safe. It sickens me that people like you think it is perfectly ok that a child gets injured by these procedures because it's "for the greater good." That is one step up from communism. It's perfectly ok because, hey, it didn't happen to your kid, right? Why don't you come to my house for a little while. My son is in the ER right now because he was swallowing rocks and they may have blocked his intestinal track. Deal with that every day and then lets see how you feel. posted 05/10/2008 at 09:38:26

I have 2. Gerberding and Offit. They both claim that vaccines are 100% safe. posted 05/09/2008 at 19:44:42

That, or he has never had to deal with a low-functioning autistic child. I think it's the latter. posted 05/09/2008 at 16:23:42

But it isn't 2 cases. This is just the start of this. We'll see more.

Nobody has ever even suggested that vaccines are 100% safe? The CDC does that every day! And it still doesn't make it OK that these children are injured. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:31:30

A lot of parents feel this righteous anger because their child was normal until they received the vaccinations. That's a pretty big trigger, sir. Their child was walking, talking, and meeting all development milestones. My son's last words to me were "Go Bye Bye" as he got into the car for his appointment. That night, he had a 106 fever and never spoke again, and quit walking until he was 26 months old. Again, that is a pretty big red flag. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:29:23

"but everybody should be transparent about financial conflicts and objectivity. "

Something that the CDC and FDA aren't willing to do because they are funded by the pHARMa industry. Big conflict of interest there, isn't it? posted 05/09/2008 at 11:17:49

But it isn't a dead horse. We now have 2 cases in Vaccine court that have proof that a child was injured by vaccines. Whether or not this was caused by an underlying condition or it caused the MT disorder, they aren't able to determine. We do know that both children developed an adverse reaction to these vaccines and it caused autism. One of these 2 cases was picked at random. So no, the vaccine is not a dead horse, and I'm very sure they are going to find more children like Hannah and the Krakow child. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:14:04

"The 2004 Immunization Safety Review Committee report from the NIH is utterly convincing that vaccines do not associate with autism. It is far more likely that the few individuals crying in the wilderness about vaccines (most of whom profit handsomely from their activism) are fudging facts than that the entire NIH is running a conspiracy."

Utterly convincing? When it was completely obvious that they massaged the data in their favor? When they did absolutely nothing to test the efficacy of the cumulative effects of 36 vaccines in such a short period of time? Sure, utterly convincing to those people who believe everything the gov'ment tells them. And most of us are paid handsomely for our activism? Really? Where's my check!! I'm going in the hole because your vaccine gods injured my son and now I can't get any help from the gov'ment because I "make too much money," I can't get insurance for him because he "has a pre-existing condition," and I have to pay for all of his psychological therapy, speech therapy, physical therapy and occupational therapy out of pocket. Yep, I'm just rolling in the dough here.

Hey parents of vaccine injured children...how many of you get paid for your activism? posted 05/09/2008 at 10:13:23

Well, I have several things to reply to in your post.

Point 1:

Have you ever met a severely autistic child? I'm not speaking of a high functioning member of the spectrum. I'm speaking of a child who can't feel hot water, who screams at you because he doesn't know how to tell you what he wants because he can't speak, who bites himself and bangs his head against the wall in pain and frustration, who curls up into a little ball from the pain in his stomach from his chronic bowel problems. Yeah, flavor of the month? I think not. How many ADHD kids did you know growing up? How many kids who were "a little off?" How many who could not speak? Now, look at how many there are today and TELL me that there hasn't been an increase.

Point 2:

I actually agree that this has a hugely significant part to play. We have all damaged our bodies with all of these biochemicals, but adding the toxic chemicals in vaccines to this is most certainly not good.

Point 3:

I don't watch TV. Neither does my son. Quite a few of the parents I know who have autistic children also don't let them watch TV. I think that this is a statement released by the AAP to obfuscate what the real cause is. You know, the same people who coined the phrase of "Refrigerator Moms" posted 05/09/2008 at 10:02:09

Somehow, you think that when we say we want safer vaccines, that we want VERIFIABLE DATA on the safety of the cumulative effects of multiple vaccines in a short period of time (don't bother looking, there isn't any), that somehow that equates to we want no vaccines. We want safer vaccines. I'm not looking to get rid of them.

But then again, I can see where you would want to push that thought across. Who in their right mind would want to deny vaccines to a child, right? Only crazy people. Maybe that's why you are so adamant that we are trying to push across an agenda that gets rid of vaccines. posted 05/09/2008 at 09:36:16

I have to disagree that it was the right thing to do. However, in Truman's defense, he felt he had no choice. But killing that many people in a single second is in no way the right thing to do. posted 05/07/2008 at 09:56:18

I looped HIV into that list because it is a virus that baffles scientists. It is resistant to everything they try to do to cure it, and the vaccine they came up with was a disaster. It is treatable, and people who are treated can live for quite some time with the virus without falling into full-blown aids, but every attempt to cure them meets defeat (unless you watch South Park :P) and they are very much capable of spreading it to others. posted 04/29/2008 at 09:18:13

You gotta wonder what Gerberding (Dr. Evil) and Offit (Number 2) are thinking right now. After Hannah was downplayed as being "isolated and unique," the vaccine court rushes to replace Hannah in the omnibus with anoter child. Then, guess what? That child has the same problems as Hannah does.

I have a message for Dr. Evil and Number 2:

"Open mouth; insert foot." posted 04/27/2008 at 21:11:14

The Government's and CDC's goal to eradicate these deadly diseases is a noble goal, truly. But as you said, "At what cost?"

What are the results of these goals? We are seeing a prevalence of ASD's, ADHD, Asthma, diabetes, skin problems, gut problems, etc.

And here's the part that really scares me. It is a known fact that an organism will evolve in order to protect itself and survive. In all of this over-medicating and over-vaccinating, are we sowing the seeds for our own destruction? How long do you think it will take for a new super-bug to come out that is completely and totally resistant to vaccines, antibiotics, etc.?

We're already starting to see them. HIV, Ebola..... posted 04/27/2008 at 19:46:19

Medical evidence can be "doctored" or bought. We saw that with Vioxx. posted 04/27/2008 at 13:06:52

Kim, sadly, that is what our government is doing; casting our children aside. They don't like to acknowledge the fact that it is there fault in many cases that our kids are the way they are. They don't want to accept responsibility for their actions. So what do they do? They ignore our children.

Give it 10 years with the way things are going. I bet then, when the autism rate climbs to 1 in 10 or 1 in 5, they might finally realize "we have to do something to help these kids."

I truly hope it doesn't come to that, but my cynicism/pessimism is shining right now. posted 04/25/2008 at 10:34:32

If the government conceded both cases, it isn't speculation. posted 04/28/2008 at 09:10:20

"He has been speculating for years that the two are connected, yet no credible evidence exists to back up that claim"

Except for Hannah Poling and now an unnamed child who both developed autism after having an adverse reaction to a vaccination. posted 04/27/2008 at 21:13:38

Do you know what medical records are?

I'm referring to parents' medical records of their children after receiving a vaccine. I'm reffering to the ER charts when they brought their children in to the ER for a 106 fever. The ones that say "Encepalopathy due to vaccine induced fever."

That's what my son's medical records show. But, I guess you'd see that as anecdotal evidence, too. posted 04/27/2008 at 14:49:22

Mississippi also has the lowest rated public school system in the country. Most children in Miss. who can be diagnosed with ASD are instead just given a "learning disability" label and placed in the public shool system. Now, with that knowledge, look up how many children in Miss. are labeled with a "learning disability" and then do the comparison. I've been through the ringer with the Mississippi Education System, so I know all about it. posted 04/27/2008 at 14:46:48

And your point is? posted 04/27/2008 at 13:04:50

Medical records of children who developed an adverse reaction after receiving a vaccination and then regressed into autism is not anecdotal. That is evidence. Notice I said Medical Records! posted 04/27/2008 at 13:03:16

Yep, and Vioxx was perfectly safe until it was found out that Merck doctored their own reports on the safety of the drug.

But of course, they would NEVER do something like that with vaccines (sarcasm). posted 04/26/2008 at 23:28:20

The CDC has to "waste" time on this because the "fringe" has a weight of medical evidence that proves a possible link (when I say weight, I mean the medical records of children who developed an adverse reaction after receiving a vaccination and then regressed into autism). They have to "waste" time on this because the "fringe" is concerned about the credibility of all of these medical institutions because of a possible conflict of interest. They have to "waste" time on this because the "fringe" knows that the medical industry has in the past taken money from corporations to alter studies in the favor of the corporation.

If the "fringe" includes such people as Obama, McCain, David Kirby, Dan Olmsted and all of the wonderful parents of vaccine injured children that I have met on here, then I am proud to be a member of the "fringe." posted 04/25/2008 at 09:19:35

When I lived in Mississippi 3 years ago, the Consciencious Objection laws were either non-existent or completely laughable. You cannot enroll your child in any school in MS. if their shot records aren't up to date. Additionally, they will deny you medicaid benefits if you don't get your children shots. If you still refuse, they will call CPS on you, claim you are endangering the child, then take the child away and give them the shots anyway. This is not so uncommon of a story, unfortunately. Several states are still back in the 1950's when it comes to a parent's rights concerning vaccinations. posted 04/24/2008 at 15:15:21

Well then, loop our presidential candidates in that crazies group! All 3 of them are acknowledging a connection, so they must be nuts, too.

Here's to being loopy!

And no, I'm pretty sure Mr. Kirby is far more interested in more important things, oh, like washing his hair, than going to a hate-mongering site like Respectful Insolence. posted 04/23/2008 at 10:27:23

"After the lie told to us by the current idiot residing in the White House"

You mean Dubya only told us one lie?!?!

:P

WMD's, Al Quaida in Iraq. No, this isn't a war for oil!!! posted 04/22/2008 at 18:09:01

I know. It's difficult to NOT be cynical when it comes to today's polutitians (I know it's spelled wrong. It was deliberate :P).

I hope I'm wrong, too. I truly hope that his current batch of ne'er-do-wells are actually concerned for this epidemic and that they will follow through with their promises. Again, though, my cynicism (that's my religion, btw :P) tells me not to hold my breath. posted 04/22/2008 at 18:06:26

This is wonderful news! We now have all 3 candidates claiming that they will look into a link. Sadly, though, I wonder how much lip service they are playing so that they can get votes. I know, call me cynical, but I can't help it.

Interestingly, I wonder what our resident nay-sayers will say when they see that Obama is suspicious that there is a link. Do you think they'll start calling him a crazy conspiracy nut? posted 04/22/2008 at 14:12:51

Uh, actually everyone, if Ken concentrates really, really hard on my previous post, he'll see that I was treating him like he treats everyone else on here who has a different opinion than he does. Uh...

Ken doesn't do humor. posted 04/14/2008 at 13:18:47

A flu shot contains 60 micrograms of mercury, which is about the size of the head of a needle. You take that needle and dip it into a bucket of water, and the water becomes unsafe to drink according to the EPA. But according to the CDC et al, its perfectly ok to inject into a baby.

You guys ever see a vial of Thimerosal? They require a hazmat suit to open it.... posted 04/13/2008 at 10:26:12

Orac, I wanted to say I like that site you posted above. It got me thinking, and I wanted to thank you for it.

I still think that you could be more diplomatic in your posts, but hey, we all have an opinion, right?

Anyhow, good luck to you. posted 04/11/2008 at 21:10:18

I thought I'd post this here, too.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/04/11/polinged0411.html

This is Jon Poling's very polite kick in the pants to the CDC et al. There are several lines that I thought appropriate to this conversation.

"On Nov. 9, 2007, HHS medical experts conceded through the Department of Justice that Hannah's autism was triggered by nine childhood vaccinations administered when she was 19 months of age. This concession was granted without any courtroom proceedings or expert testimony, effectively preventing any public hearing discussing what happened to Hannah and why. Contrary to some reports, the Special Masters, "judges" who preside over the "vaccine court," did not issue a decision."

And this one had me cheering...I so want to shake Dr. Poling's hand!

"As a neurologist, I have cared for those afflicted with SSPE (a rare but dreaded neurological complication of measles), paralytic polio and tetanus. If these serious vaccine-preventable diseases again become commonplace, the fault will rest solely on the shoulders of public health leaders and policymakers who have failed to heed the writing on the wall (scribbled by my 9-year old daughter). "

Beautifully written! posted 04/11/2008 at 20:03:47

The Polings were the 1st to go public with their story. posted 04/11/2008 at 18:05:38

Uh oh, everyone. I think I pushed a button. It appears as if Ken or whateverhisnameis is offended by my comments. Maybe he can ask for comfort from one of his other accounts.

However, it seems as if my attempts to reflect his attacks on us back upon him, while entertaining, are only encouraging him. It looks as if he can dish it out, but he can't take it. Typical of a bully. I will refrain from further encouragement, and continue to ignore his useless chatter. Maybe then, he'll finally leave.

Either that, or he'll make up a new name and try to start all over again. posted 04/11/2008 at 17:25:44

Uh oh, everyone! Wooks wike I hurt his wittle feewings. posted 04/11/2008 at 16:19:56

I am, but it looks like HuffPo won't let me post my info (which is cool, I understand the reasoning). If you'd like, you can email me. Its my name with an underscore between the first and last name, and its at yahoo. THanks posted 04/11/2008 at 11:32:34

I wonder if Ken knows that his personality is toxic, too. posted 04/11/2008 at 09:44:04

Below is a primary example of what I was speaking of in an earlier post. Potshots from the sidelines...... posted 04/11/2008 at 07:48:52

Ken's "side" would get a lot more credibility if they would learn to respond to people with a modicum of respect. posted 04/10/2008 at 23:23:47

The worst part of all of this is that I have proof, just like the Polings. I have all of my son's medical records that show his regression after receiving his vaccines. And these 2 haughty, disdainful and pompous jerks come in here and say, "nope, you're crazy, didn't happen, you're a conspiracy nut." That, to me, is adding insult to injury.

And they treat all parents like me the same way.

This is not the 1st time I've had a run in with AutismNewsBeat/HeraldBlog/MidwestDad. He is a persistant and obtrusive annoyance that constantly ridicules parents of injured children. Orac comes on here and spouts hatred for anything that is pro-safe vaccine (who knows, they could be the same person. Ken has a penchant for making up multiple accounts). They claim that all of these doctors who are trying to prove that there is a link are quacks, that David Kirby and Olmstead are opportunistic idiots who care nothing for autistic children, but what are they and their doctors doing to help my son? Not an f-ing thing. Hopefully, you can see where my venom towards them comes from. Those who treat me with respect will get that respect in turn. posted 04/10/2008 at 22:59:29

CircleofHealth, thanks for stepping in there. It was a bit of a slap in the face for me (I'm not mad, I know how I am), and your timely and diplomatic intervention prevented me from sinking even further down to the level of these 2 arrogant bloggers.

One of my character flaws, if you will, is the inability to stand by while people get needlessly insulted. I can't stand idle while someone belittles my beliefs or someone else's beliefs just for thinking differently than they do. As a kid, I was the one who always defended the kid who was constantly bullied and picked on because they looked different or were shy. I have a tendency to get my back up and try to take the arrogant prick (or in this case pricks for lack of a better word).

One of the things that angers me is that in some cases, I find myself agreeing with them, particularly when they say that alternative treatments are circumspect and that there is no cure. Honestly, I think that some of my anger toward them is that they bring that out into the open, and I'm only just learning to face that. The main thing that angers me, though, is how they trivialize the heartache of all of these parents with their arrogance, parents who, by the way, have proof of a wrong-doing of the medical industry (I have CAT scans of my son's brain after receiving a vaccine induced fever).

cont. posted 04/10/2008 at 17:15:15

cont.

I never said that it was a single agent. I too believe that genetics have to play with autism. But, when I explain that to them, again, they show arrogance and condescension.

What would it harm to develop safer and "greener" vaccines? What would it harm to spread out the schedule? Both are logical questions, and doing both would help sooth the tempers of parents like myself. posted 04/10/2008 at 17:14:58

Hey fellow bloggers. Apparently, Ken thinks that wanting safe vaccines is a bad thing. That somehow, by us wanting to get the poisonous and toxic substances out of our children, we're making up some narrative about a conspiracy. I don't see how removing carcenogens and neurotoxins from childhood injected vaccines is a bad thing. Nor do I see how spreading out the vaccine schedule is so damaging to the "herd-immunity."

Hey, perhaps he can ask one of his other monikers. I'm sure they won't know the answer either. posted 04/10/2008 at 15:55:20

Apparently, everyone, the person who is so afraid of us that he has to sign on with multiple accounts thinks that I'm spreading misinformation by stating that I wouldn't like another smallpox epidemic. Sadly, it appears as if he likes to argue for the sake of argument. Maybe one of his other names will debate the issue with him. posted 04/10/2008 at 15:48:08

Hey everyone. I think it makes Ken sad that I won't talk to him :(

Maybe he could sign on to one of his other accounts and talk to himself. posted 04/10/2008 at 15:36:32

The above, and HeraldBlog/AutismNewsBeat/MidwestDad's following post are the exact reason why these people shouldn't be taken seriously. Their arrogance and their personal attacks (calling a group of parents dispicable is an attack), I think, hurt them more than help them. I think we should let them continue to spew their hatred and condescension. It will help the cause of concerned parents.

A little tidbit for all of you parents of vaccine injured children, something from Ken's "site."

"Without First Amendment protections, these fools would have have been lined up and shot around the time thimerosal disappeared from scheduled childhood vaccines, or roughly six years ago."

Again I ask, how can we take him seriously. posted 04/10/2008 at 15:29:23

Several prominent scientists in the past were exhonerated after being ostracized, humiliated, and in some cases beheaded simply because they went against the current scientific paradigm. And when their theories were proven correct, I'm sure the rest of the scientific community felt pretty stupid.

Sad how history constantly repeats itself. Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. posted 04/10/2008 at 13:34:29

Mindlessly parroting.

And with that statement, you proved a point. You say you don't attack people, but with that statement, you quite clearly do. posted 04/10/2008 at 13:30:20

ANd your arrogant, condescending and bullying does nothing to impress me. In fact, it convinces me further that I am, in fact right (he who is guilty professes his innocence the loudest). posted 04/10/2008 at 13:21:05

Well, for one, I don't think it 100% necessary to have toxic chemicals like mercury, formaldahyde, etc. to be in these vaccines (don't you dare tell me they aren't toxic, we all know they are). Bio-friendly vaccines would be one step in silencing all of us "crazy antivaxxers."

The CDC recently stated that they allow parents to spread out the vaccination schedule (they didn't before, no matter how hard they deny it). This is a good thing, but it will be a few years before we see the results, unfortunately. Convincing condescending doctors and people like you would be difficult, however. What is the harm in spreading out the vaccines and not getting 36 of them before the age of 3?

Again, perhaps if you were to lose the condescending attitude and treat people on here like people instead of "antivaccinationist conspiracy-mongerers," you would get more respectful replies in turn. However, everytime you come on here spewing your agenda with all of the arrogance you have shown in every single post you do, you make it difficult to take you seriously, and you turn people away from your ideas. posted 04/10/2008 at 12:22:17

Let me explain my reasoning, Orac. You come in here, along with several other of your cronies, and you spew your hatred, you espouse how enlightened and oh so right you are, and everyone who believes differently is automatically an idiot and an antivaccinationist conspiracy-mongerer.

Here's something for you. If you were to be more respectful to the people on this site, we would be more willing to listen to you. Your arrogance and condescending attitude is hurting you more than you realize. I thought I'd help you out there. posted 04/10/2008 at 12:08:34

Orac, I don't understand something here. Perhaps you can explain. You and another poster claim to attack ideas, but you actually attack other people. Why the hatred for people who just want to help their children and other children. Not even once have I claimed that we should get rid of vaccines. All I am asking is for SAFER vaccines. Why the hatred? Why the hate-mongering and bigotry? posted 04/10/2008 at 11:12:13

Of course, we all know just how "ethical" the CDC is... posted 04/10/2008 at 11:09:57

Oh, I don't know...the fact that the Denmark study added and removed children from the study at random...maybe it was because they didn't have the right kind of autism, as another blogger likes to put in. Or the fact that the California study found that after "removing" thimerosal from vaccines, the autism rate didn't go down. What they didn't tell you was that the thimerosal was still in the vaccines. And don't tell me it was removed...its still there according to your FDA bible. posted 04/10/2008 at 11:08:58

Thank you, no. I can make my own judgements posted 04/10/2008 at 11:07:39

Thanks DannysVoice.

I appreciate your posts, and don't let them silence us! posted 04/10/2008 at 11:07:09

Oh, I don't know...the fact that the Denmark study added and removed children from the study at random...maybe it was because they didn't have the right kind of autism, as another blogger likes to put in. Or the fact that the California study found that after "removing" thimerosal from vaccines, the autism rate didn't go down. What they didn't tell you was that the thimerosal was still in the vaccines.

And why should we take you seriously? posted 04/10/2008 at 11:05:58

Excellent post! I have no sympathy for them when the cat finally gets out of the bag. I will say this, I'm almost afraid to see what's going to happen. These monsters at the CDC need justice, but what will this do to our people here in the US and our government?

I said this on another post. If they have been guilty of this all this time, they need to fess up. I strongly believe that the American public will be more willing to forgive them than if the truth is released through an internal whistle-blower. I think with the latter, there will be a lot of hell to pay.

Thank you for your post. posted 04/09/2008 at 20:46:53

DannysVoice.

If you don't mind, I would really like to read up some more on the study you mention. Do you have the link still? Thanks :) posted 04/09/2008 at 20:22:36

mfb, very well written, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Most of these "studies" these people you speak of cling to is full of holes and poorly disguised tampering. Truth vs. self interest is very much in conflict here.

Thanks so much for your post. posted 04/09/2008 at 16:49:56

Ok, I'm going to break my silence to you for a specific reason, Ken. I was basically agreeing with you, for the most part, and you essentially post this argument just for the sake of argument. I was using smallpox as an example. Thank you, have a nice day. posted 04/09/2008 at 15:14:18

We've tried the GFCF diet. However, due to both his stubborness and his food aversion, we didn't really have good luck with it (I call him Ninja Boy. If he sees food that he wants, he will go invisible and somehow have that food in hand, so it was hard to keep him away from banned foods). We are in the process of getting him tested for food allergies to see if we can help him out with his gut problems. We've tried chelation, and he seems to have a really good reaction to that, because for a while after the therapy, he is calmer, happier and more focused (also, he's more communicative, i.e. he signs more). Due to the expense, though, we can only do Chelation on rare occassions.

Thanks for the link, btw. posted 04/08/2008 at 15:37:10

Hear hear! posted 04/08/2008 at 13:18:58

A milestone for me would be for my son to be able to speak. Currently, he can communicate only through gestures and rudimentary ASL (American Sign Language). I would like for him to be able to tell me "Hungry" or "Thirsty" or "Tummy Hurts" to express to us what his needs are. Its frustrating for my wife and I when he starts screaming at us, and we try everything under the sun to find out what is wrong.

I believe that some forms of autism are recoverable to an extent. Some children, like my oldest, learn to cope and "rewire" their brains so that they can, again to an extent, function somewhat normally. However, I don't necessarily consider that a full recovery.

My son, as I've come to face, will never recover. He will always require specialized care. I haven't looked yet beyond his ability to speak because I will take that step when I come to it. posted 04/08/2008 at 12:35:23

Yes, they are all pretty full of toxins. However, I don't think we should get rid of them, just change them and the one-size-fits-all schedules. Safer vaccines, yes. New smallpox epidemic? No thanks. :) posted 04/08/2008 at 10:06:59

None of us are asking to get rid of vaccines. We are asking for safer vaccines....just like Dr. Wakefield. Did you never seen a complication from thousands of vaccinations, or have you never reported on?

There are quite a few parents out there (myself included) who perceived their child go into a high fever, convulsions, uncontrollable screaming, and, in my son's case and in Hannah Poling's case, encepalopathy and eventually Autism. All within a few hours after receiving a vaccine.

Remember, Galileo was nearly beheaded for his theories. posted 04/07/2008 at 23:42:39

Good post, and I agree with you. But, the point I was making is that doctors sometimes use anecdotal (or word of mouth) evidence to help with their diagnoses. Through experience and accounts of other patients (along with their training, which I am not questioning), they are able to compile the anecdotes into data (as you mentioned before).

Understandably, it is difficult to compile anecdotal evidence due to its very nature. However, if there is enough anecdotal evidence where enough people, linked only by a commonality (in this case, similar illnesses) are saying the exact same thing, then the anecdotal evidence can be credible to the scientific method as observation. posted 04/07/2008 at 22:54:28

I'm willing to accept that, but considering the source, you can never tell. He also thinks that taking potshots from the sidelines will get me to respond to him, but I stand by the statement that I would no longer post to him. posted 04/07/2008 at 22:23:13

LOL...I guess you answered my above question.

Might I ask in what capacity are you associated with the medical community? Again, it's mainly out of curiousity. posted 04/07/2008 at 22:20:50

maxwell105, just out of curiousity, but are you associated with the medical community in any way? You seem very well informed. posted 04/07/2008 at 22:18:59

Additionally (since we are limited in our verbage to 250 words on HuffPo), since there is federal acknowledgement of a vaccine-injured child, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the public (not to mention the various organizations involved) to further investigate this link? The Poling case, despite media coverage, was not the first (only the first to go public). posted 04/07/2008 at 22:07:09

jvarga, Thimerisol is still in many of the pediatric childhood vaccines, including DTaP, Flu and HepB (The FDA website has information on all of that if you want to look), so it can't be entirely ruled out as a causative agent. As another poster mentioned (thanks for the post about the Burbacher study, Maxwell105). Looking at this study, we see, again, that there is cause for concern (another poster mentioned the concerns were possibly unfounded, but we can see that they are indeed valid).

You mentioned people who issue blanket rejections of scientific evidence, and I agree with you. Does this not also apply to the scientific evidence that proves a link, like those studies by Burbacher and Dr. Wakefield (who simply suggested that the schedule be altered, and was then essentially tarred and feathered by the scientific community).

Again, I thank you for your respectful tone, and your posts are very informative. posted 04/07/2008 at 22:02:11

So, the plural of anecdote IS data? Just clarifying your statement, LindsE posted 04/07/2008 at 21:46:39

"We have so many scientists on one side of the debate who say that vaccines don't cause autism, but more importantly, they don't say that they DON'T cause autism"

That's a slight mistype, so I thought I would rephrase it for clarity. What I meant to say was:

We have so many scientists who say the autism/vaccine connection hasn't been proven, but I think, more importantly, it hasn't necessarily been disproven.

To add on to my previous question, since there are concerns about the safety of vaccines (and there are many, among them concerns over the toxic chemicals within vaccines, the very rigorous vaccine schedule, and the concerns over the efficacy of multiple (36) vaccines over so short a period of time), should this possible link be put to rest? posted 04/07/2008 at 16:38:24

jvarga, there is a lot of passion on both sides of the debate, so its nice to see someone on the opposite side of the curtain who is willing to discuss this without malice.

I do have a question for you, though.

We all know that science follows a paradigm until there is a large enough "shake-up" for them to alter that paradigm. For instance, at one time, the mainstream science community thought that the earth was the center of the universe. This was proven wrong by Copernicus in his Heliocentricity theory. Then, the world was thought to be flat, and several people, the most famous being Columbus, proved this wrong. All of these individuals were ridiculed, reviled from the main-stream science community, and in some cases, nearly beheaded or burned at the stake.

Could it be possible that the vaccine-autism connection is the new Heliocentricity? We have so many scientists on one side of the debate who say that vaccines don't cause autism, but more importantly, they don't say that they DON'T cause autism. On the other side, there are many doctors and scientists who are outcast from the "science club" so to speak for simply inferring that there might be a connection. I'm just genuinely curious about you opinion. Thanks. posted 04/07/2008 at 16:24:33

Interestingly, he responded to me in a previous post on HuffPo the following, so his statement above is somewhat confusing:

"He doesn't need evidence. He has anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is data." posted 04/07/2008 at 16:14:06

Only parents of severely autistic children like ours really understand what we are going through. We live with this every day. We have to try to calm them down when they go into fits, banging their heads against the wall. We have to clean up the feces that they smear all over the place. Autism IS our fight

What is very sad is the lack of compassion of many people. I remember taking my son to the store. He got overwhelmed and had a meltdown, so I just grabbed what I could and headed to the checkout line. One very rude lady (she kind of reminds me of Ken) says in a very snotty tone of voice "Can you shut your kid up?"

I gave her my best cold stare and replied, "He's Autistic, what's our excuse."

We get this from our neighbors (they called the cops on me because my son was having one of his fits. Luckily, the police who came to our house were very cool and understanding), we get this from our doctors (A 105 temperature, high pitched shrieks and back arching, along with encepalopathy is "perfectly normal" after a vaccine), and, worst of all, from our government. posted 04/07/2008 at 13:03:12

If they walk in the light, though, the GOP will burn up like vampires are supposed to do in sunlight!

Well, I guess that wouldn't be a BAD thing..... posted 04/09/2008 at 21:00:41