May 18, 2008
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JoeBeets
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Media Jump Ship From Obama To Clinton
That's a stretch. HuffPo needs to post one or two articles a day that don't either fawn over Obama or bash Clinton. I am not sure where this one falls. posted 04/25/2008 at 09:33:11
I know Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan. That wasn't so smart now that he's behind in the total vote. It was a calculated risk to appease Iowa and NH. But NH didn't really pan out. So Obama lost that bet. posted 04/25/2008 at 09:29:50
OH PLEASE!!! Obama has gotten such a free ride for over a year, that few understood his weaknesses....they only knew he made good speeches. Get a little bad press...scrutiny, actually...and now you say the press is all for Clinton?
Maybe the press has finally gotten around to doing their job. posted 04/25/2008 at 09:21:57
Maybe the press has finally gotten around to doing their job. posted 04/25/2008 at 09:21:57
Keith Olbermann: Most People In News Are Not Smart Enough For Analysis
Agreed. But since he went partisan for Obama, I just can't watch him anymore. posted 04/24/2008 at 14:30:42
Last Night Clinton Won the Pennsylvania Primary, but Lost the War for the Nomination
"remaining supporters" Hehe. As if there arent about the same supporters of each candidate.
No matter how many times you say it, I don't think a Hillary nomination will fracture the party. In addition, political activists help elect nominees, but in the general election, it is the rank and file that matter.
In the unlikely event that Hillary gets nominated, if Obama can't get his "new voters" to support Hillary over McCain, then perhaps his "movement" was more like a popularity contest. If the newly "energized" voters decide NOT to vote for Hillary in the GE, then they were simply one-shot deals anyway.
This thing is Obama's to win. All he has to do is win some primaries and the superdelegates will swing to him. If he can't close the deal before the convention, then we are all in for an exciting time!
If I appear cavalier about it, it is because the Democrats always seem to find a way to screw up winnable elections. Instead of playing it safe this time, maybe a convention fight is what we need to find the passion to WIN this year. posted 04/25/2008 at 11:08:23
No matter how many times you say it, I don't think a Hillary nomination will fracture the party. In addition, political activists help elect nominees, but in the general election, it is the rank and file that matter.
In the unlikely event that Hillary gets nominated, if Obama can't get his "new voters" to support Hillary over McCain, then perhaps his "movement" was more like a popularity contest. If the newly "energized" voters decide NOT to vote for Hillary in the GE, then they were simply one-shot deals anyway.
This thing is Obama's to win. All he has to do is win some primaries and the superdelegates will swing to him. If he can't close the deal before the convention, then we are all in for an exciting time!
If I appear cavalier about it, it is because the Democrats always seem to find a way to screw up winnable elections. Instead of playing it safe this time, maybe a convention fight is what we need to find the passion to WIN this year. posted 04/25/2008 at 11:08:23
You talking to me? Oh, were you expecting Hillary to respond? posted 04/25/2008 at 10:53:43
If it comes down to violent confrontation, I agree that it would not be good. I have also heard the talking heads say that a convention battle would be disasterous, but I don't think that is necessarily true. It may be contentious, but at the end, the nominee will be supported by the loser and the Democratic party will begin to coalesce. I see that the DNC has started running ads against McCain, which serves both Clinton and Obama.
One of the problems with the DNC fundraising is that Dean, Pelosi and Reid appear to want to cut off the voting right now and have the superdelegates declare right now. That helps Obama and most Clinton supporters (me among them) refuse to support the DNC right now. It also doesnt help to have the leadership to have a preference for a particular candidate if they want to bring the party together.
I am of the mind that MOST people (other than us political junkies) are not really listening to anything out there. McCain is getting a free ride, but I don't think it is going to matter much. Once the nomination is secured, there is a lot of time to get our message out. In fact, a shorter, more focused approach may be better. posted 04/25/2008 at 10:21:40
One of the problems with the DNC fundraising is that Dean, Pelosi and Reid appear to want to cut off the voting right now and have the superdelegates declare right now. That helps Obama and most Clinton supporters (me among them) refuse to support the DNC right now. It also doesnt help to have the leadership to have a preference for a particular candidate if they want to bring the party together.
I am of the mind that MOST people (other than us political junkies) are not really listening to anything out there. McCain is getting a free ride, but I don't think it is going to matter much. Once the nomination is secured, there is a lot of time to get our message out. In fact, a shorter, more focused approach may be better. posted 04/25/2008 at 10:21:40
Does a 9.2% loss make you feel better? posted 04/25/2008 at 10:11:40
It's never been a battle for the pledged delegates, or even the popular vote. It's whomever gets the majority of the delegates at the convention. Absent a clear winner before then, this thing goes all the way to Denver. I find the whole thing exciting. I don't agree that 2 or 3 months is not enough campaiging time to beat McCain. The differences between the GOP and Democratic candidate will be glaring. Better to get all the skeletons out of the closet before choosing the candidate. posted 04/24/2008 at 13:56:45
."..there isnt anybody out there who believes that is a desirable situation"?
I would say just about EVERY Clinton supporter believes it is a desirable situation, because they think Hillary has a better chance to beat McCain. And if 60% of the superdelegates watch the remaining primaries and see that Obama just doesn't have what it takes to win in November, they will pick the candidate they think has the best chance to win.
I am one who thinks this primary season is the PERFECT warm-up for the ggeneral election. Whoever survives will be ready for the McCain/GOP attack machine. posted 04/24/2008 at 13:29:34
I would say just about EVERY Clinton supporter believes it is a desirable situation, because they think Hillary has a better chance to beat McCain. And if 60% of the superdelegates watch the remaining primaries and see that Obama just doesn't have what it takes to win in November, they will pick the candidate they think has the best chance to win.
I am one who thinks this primary season is the PERFECT warm-up for the ggeneral election. Whoever survives will be ready for the McCain/GOP attack machine. posted 04/24/2008 at 13:29:34
Pennsylvania Primary: Liveblogging the Results
From http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/:
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,238,351 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,030,805 45.4%
Rounded to whole numbers, that is 55% Clinton, 45% Obama. Looks like a 10% victory to me! posted 04/24/2008 at 14:42:30
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,238,351 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,030,805 45.4%
Rounded to whole numbers, that is 55% Clinton, 45% Obama. Looks like a 10% victory to me! posted 04/24/2008 at 14:42:30
Pelosi: Reduce Number of Superdelegates
Pelosi? Just what the heck has Speaker Pelosi done since she got the mandate to pull us out of Iraq??? posted 04/08/2008 at 20:48:43
Obama's America
No, it isn't. Quite arrogant that with close to half of Dem voters supporting Clinton, that a story supporting her would have to be "bought". posted 04/07/2008 at 15:27:39
Proposed Revamp Taps Fed As Uber Cop
The Bush Administration and the rubber stamp Congress did such a great job with the Department of Homeland Security....why not create a Department of Finance? I am sure the Congress will debate the nuances for an hour or so and then cede all power to the Executive Branch. posted 03/31/2008 at 12:29:42
Hillary Clinton Deluged With Calls For Her Withdrawal
If that is what ultimately happens, I am fine with that!! I dont worry about McCain's positives creeping up...that is normal since he's getting a free ride now. Between July and November is an eternity in politics. The voters will be reminded of just what McCain stands for. posted 03/30/2008 at 13:09:31
Imagine that....a deluge of calls FROM OBAMA BACKERS for Clinton to drop out. Puleeze!.
As that guy from Slate said on MTP this morning. Best that the Democratic candidate gets fully vetted during the nomination process, than waiting for McCain and the GOP to blast them in October.
The article also infers that Clinton wants to fight all the way to the Convention. All she said was that she would campaign in all the primaries (no problem there, right?) and then IF THE MI AND FL DELEGATES ARE NOT RESOLVED, she will fight for them at the convention. Easily done. Resolve the MI and FL delegate issue BEFORE the convention. posted 03/30/2008 at 13:06:30
As that guy from Slate said on MTP this morning. Best that the Democratic candidate gets fully vetted during the nomination process, than waiting for McCain and the GOP to blast them in October.
The article also infers that Clinton wants to fight all the way to the Convention. All she said was that she would campaign in all the primaries (no problem there, right?) and then IF THE MI AND FL DELEGATES ARE NOT RESOLVED, she will fight for them at the convention. Easily done. Resolve the MI and FL delegate issue BEFORE the convention. posted 03/30/2008 at 13:06:30
New Hampshire Paper: Clinton's Are Fair-Weather Friends
Don't correct him....he is a real journalist....he writes for a NH Paper! posted 03/28/2008 at 15:16:45
HuffPo....if I write a story against the Clintons, will you link to it also? Is that the measure of what gets on your site now? I used to like this site, but it's just too much now. Linking to a NH paper that says Clinton violated her pledge not to campaign in MI and FL? You should include a link to factcheck.org too!
Like a train wreck, though, I still have to come back :) posted 03/28/2008 at 15:15:56
Like a train wreck, though, I still have to come back :) posted 03/28/2008 at 15:15:56
Reuters: "Somebody Forgot To Tell Hillary Clinton The Democratic Presidential Race Is Over And Barack Obama Won"
Well, perhaps your premise is faulty then. She wants to BEAT McCain herself, not be unDemocratic and want Obama to lose. posted 03/27/2008 at 16:28:34
Time for Superdelegates to Ratify Obama's Insurmountable Pledged Delegate Lead and Settle the Democratic Nomination
I think McCain voted for the law that say there ARE NO RULES in the war on terrorism. Figure that...the tortured Vietnam Vet who votes FOR torture. posted 03/29/2008 at 15:37:06
You don't think Rev Wright will be used by McCain and the GOP 527's to tarnish Obama as just another "hate-america" liberal? It DOES have something to do with the General Election campaign, for sure.
The GOP got people to believe that a Vietnam Vet with 3 purple hearts was a COWARD and unfit for the Presidency! Nuance is not the American voters' strong point.
I am not saying Rev Wright kills the Obama nomination, but that we need to realize that it hurts it alot for the GE. I would vote for any Democrat over McCain, but I am not your average American voter. posted 03/29/2008 at 15:32:33
The GOP got people to believe that a Vietnam Vet with 3 purple hearts was a COWARD and unfit for the Presidency! Nuance is not the American voters' strong point.
I am not saying Rev Wright kills the Obama nomination, but that we need to realize that it hurts it alot for the GE. I would vote for any Democrat over McCain, but I am not your average American voter. posted 03/29/2008 at 15:32:33
Then the superdelegates would have voted for someone who lost the election. And the second guessing would commence.
It's politics, not rocket science. Nobody knows what will happen. Another reason to let the nomination play out until the convention. I am not afraid of it. If Obama wins in Denver, he will be a fully vetted and STRONGER candidate. The Clinton supporters will then see the start difference between Obama and McCain and will get in line to vote the GOP out. I think the Obama supporters will do the same if things go the other way. posted 03/27/2008 at 11:29:59
It's politics, not rocket science. Nobody knows what will happen. Another reason to let the nomination play out until the convention. I am not afraid of it. If Obama wins in Denver, he will be a fully vetted and STRONGER candidate. The Clinton supporters will then see the start difference between Obama and McCain and will get in line to vote the GOP out. I think the Obama supporters will do the same if things go the other way. posted 03/27/2008 at 11:29:59
Hillary Clinton....cozying up to Karl Rove? Nominating conservative Supreme Court judges? Just how much kool aid is out there to drink?? posted 03/26/2008 at 17:55:20
PLEASE!!! Don't link to Newsmax!! posted 03/26/2008 at 17:22:31
Read below...I deny the math!!! Well, I dont deny that Clinton can't win the pledged delegate vote, but then neither can Obama. And why would you believe that the superdelegates would not vote to overturn Obama's slight lead in pledged delegates if they feel he can't beat McCain in November? That is what superdelegates are FOR! If not, they wouldn't exist. posted 03/26/2008 at 17:21:32
Actually, Pelosi has a lot of nerve suggesting that Senators Kerry and Kennedy should switch their votes to Clinton. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:24:04
Don't tell me to UNDERSTAND what the superdelegates are going to do. Nobody knows that. That is why we all will wait until the convention to find out!
Regarding Rev. Wright, "ignorant people" make up a large part of the American voting public. The ones that vote Ohio and Florida RED. If Obama has weathered the storm, he will sweep the next bunch of primaries and render the whole argument moot. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:15:58
Regarding Rev. Wright, "ignorant people" make up a large part of the American voting public. The ones that vote Ohio and Florida RED. If Obama has weathered the storm, he will sweep the next bunch of primaries and render the whole argument moot. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:15:58
No, it isn't a longer shot. It is the same shot. A shot that gets more likely if Obama doesn't win Pennsylvania.
If Clinton is the stronger candidate against McCain, the superdelegates will vote for her as the nominee. It isn't proportional. It isn't based on the will of the voters. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:11:37
If Clinton is the stronger candidate against McCain, the superdelegates will vote for her as the nominee. It isn't proportional. It isn't based on the will of the voters. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:11:37
I dont think Obama is worried about shelling out money for a re-vote in Michigan. But don't forget that Obama had his name specifically REMOVED from the ballot, so as not to annoy the Iowa and NH voters?
That said, neither primary should count. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:03:49
That said, neither primary should count. posted 03/26/2008 at 16:03:49
Yeah, David. You posted this before. It was pretty much ignored because it is just so self-serving. Why doesn't "will of the people" Obama just win Pennsylvania. Then Clinton will quit and the whole thing goes away. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:54:41
I believe the Mondale/Hart campaign went into the convention. I am sure there have been others longer than this one. Maybe it just SEEMS too long because your runner is slowing down and the finish line is still way out there. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:19:47
It's too bad Obama didnt have better judgement. But he is relatively young in political years. Maybe in 4 or 8 years, lenoirlady. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:13:05
If Obama wins Pennsylvania, then Clinton will bow out. So maybe Obama should win Pennsylvania. Surely, if it is the will of the people, he can win Pennsylvania. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:08:28
Yeah, that argument will work with the GOP making the commercials. They got America to believe that a Vietnam veteran with 3 purple hearts was a COWARD. That a veteran who got his limbs blown off was a terrorist-lover! posted 03/26/2008 at 15:02:37
What makes you say that the superdelegates are VERY unlikely to overturn a clear pledged delegate lead? If Obama wins the nomination and then gets savaged by McCain and the GOP hit machine in November, the superdelegates could be out of their jobs. The superdelegates have their votes because it is expected that they will vote in THEIR OWN self-interest. To vote for the nominee most likely to WIN. If that is Obama, that is fine with me. If that is Clinton, that is fine with me.
What bothers me is the crying and whining about how nasty Hillary is being, when she is only throwing the kitchen sink at Obama. The GOP will throw the whole HOUSE at Obama and there will be only a couple of months to deal with it before the GE. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:00:03
What bothers me is the crying and whining about how nasty Hillary is being, when she is only throwing the kitchen sink at Obama. The GOP will throw the whole HOUSE at Obama and there will be only a couple of months to deal with it before the GE. posted 03/26/2008 at 15:00:03
You really believe this? Why not just believe the more believable, that all she has to do is convince the superdelegates to vote for her to win the nomination. That she truly feels she is the better candidate to win in November. Sorry to say you sound like RWRadio now. posted 03/26/2008 at 14:54:35
That was tortured logic...but you made your point. Superdelegates shouldn't go against the will of the voters. Unless they want to vote for Obama...in which case it's OK. posted 03/26/2008 at 14:49:29
more and more of her supporters? I think you mean "one". posted 03/26/2008 at 14:46:38
Good point, but if Obama (or Clinton, for that matter) had been such a clear leader that he/she locked up enough superdelegates by now, they'd not have to go into the Convention without the nomination sewed up.
There being no CLEAR winner, the superdelegates will think about it, and nominate the one THEY FEEL has the best chance of beating McCain. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:38:30
There being no CLEAR winner, the superdelegates will think about it, and nominate the one THEY FEEL has the best chance of beating McCain. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:38:30
Simple answer DavidKo8:
Superdelegates were never meant to vote as their constituents have (some dont even HAVE constituents). They have always been free to vote their conscience...or their logic...or whatever moves them. To force Kerry and Kennedy to switch their votes to Clinton is unreasonable, and you shouldn't be advocating this.
Regarding the "math": The math says that neither candidate will win the nomination based on the delegates from the remaining primaries/caucuses. So the superdelegates decide. Reading the paragraph above, they are free to vote as they please. That means the BOTH candidates have an EQUAL chance of winning the nomination.
What ABOUT Wright? That hasn't changed my opinion that Obama isn't ready to run for President yet. I've ALWAYS thought that. Geez, I don't particularly like Clinton either, but I think she's the better of the two to run against the mean and nasty GOP, who will rip Obama much worse than Clinton ever would. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:28:09
Superdelegates were never meant to vote as their constituents have (some dont even HAVE constituents). They have always been free to vote their conscience...or their logic...or whatever moves them. To force Kerry and Kennedy to switch their votes to Clinton is unreasonable, and you shouldn't be advocating this.
Regarding the "math": The math says that neither candidate will win the nomination based on the delegates from the remaining primaries/caucuses. So the superdelegates decide. Reading the paragraph above, they are free to vote as they please. That means the BOTH candidates have an EQUAL chance of winning the nomination.
What ABOUT Wright? That hasn't changed my opinion that Obama isn't ready to run for President yet. I've ALWAYS thought that. Geez, I don't particularly like Clinton either, but I think she's the better of the two to run against the mean and nasty GOP, who will rip Obama much worse than Clinton ever would. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:28:09
That isnt why Edwards and Richardson, etc. got out of the race...they werent getting enough monetary support. Hillary is getting enough support to continue her campaign, and has a real chance to win the nomination. She obviously believes she is a better nominee than Obama, or she WOULD drop out. So do many others....millions of others.
When you say she has "Such slim and negative chances" to win the nomination...what facts do you have? Neither will win enough delegates from the primaries and caucuses (cauci??), so the superdelegates will decide. They do not have directed votes, so I see that Obama and Clinton have about the same chance of winning the nomination. It simply depends on which candidate the superdelegates think can win in November.
Superdelegates were invented for just this situation. Those are the rules. They pick whomever they want....regardless of the primaries/caucuses/polls. If Clinton wins a bunch of primaries in the next months...she has a good chance of winning the nomination IMO. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:15:41
When you say she has "Such slim and negative chances" to win the nomination...what facts do you have? Neither will win enough delegates from the primaries and caucuses (cauci??), so the superdelegates will decide. They do not have directed votes, so I see that Obama and Clinton have about the same chance of winning the nomination. It simply depends on which candidate the superdelegates think can win in November.
Superdelegates were invented for just this situation. Those are the rules. They pick whomever they want....regardless of the primaries/caucuses/polls. If Clinton wins a bunch of primaries in the next months...she has a good chance of winning the nomination IMO. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:15:41
You are doing enough bobbing and weaving away from the subject of my post for the both of us, slow2. posted 03/26/2008 at 13:07:58
What will IRS returns show? That she gets money from Rush Limbaugh? C'mon. The only reason anyone wants them is to find something embarrassing. To "play politics" with. I thought the Obama camp was above all that?
Look what happened when Clinton gave out her scheduling diary. Immediately, people dove for the Monica Lewinsky connection. posted 03/26/2008 at 12:56:47
Look what happened when Clinton gave out her scheduling diary. Immediately, people dove for the Monica Lewinsky connection. posted 03/26/2008 at 12:56:47
Another way to look at it is that Obama has been UNABLE to win enough delegates to win the nomination without needing the superdelegates. No reason for Clinton to throw in the towel now. And don't ask the superdelegates to vote now...wait until the nomination, so that they can make an INFORMED vote. A vote that will give us the BEST candidate against McCain.
Why have them vote now? Perhaps Clinton winning the next bunch of primaries might not be good for the superdelegates to see?
The bottom line: If Obama can't take whatever Clinton decides to throw at him, he CERTAINLY won't be able to take what the GOP throws at him! posted 03/26/2008 at 12:15:48
Why have them vote now? Perhaps Clinton winning the next bunch of primaries might not be good for the superdelegates to see?
The bottom line: If Obama can't take whatever Clinton decides to throw at him, he CERTAINLY won't be able to take what the GOP throws at him! posted 03/26/2008 at 12:15:48
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The press gave Obama a free ride for months and bashed Clinton for not being the front-runner. Now that Obama has lost the free ride, you are saying the press never liked obama. Selective amnesia. posted 04/26/2008 at 09:17:05