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Netroots Summit Grapples with Bipartisan Attacks on Rule of Law

Cass Sunstein, an Obama advisor, says:
" Prosecuting government officials risks a "cycle" of criminalizing public service..."
This kind of thinking epitomizes the mindset of the Democratic leadership these days. They protect the status quo and thereby protect their own. It has everything to do with covering up this administration's misdeeds in order to "win," and when the Democrats "win," what do we, as citizens, get out of this great victory? The same set of rules---spying, war, loss of jobs--only under a party with a "D" behind its name instead of an "R." That's what happens when there's no accountability.
On July 15, Glenn Greenwald wrote a column entitled "The Motivation for Blocking Investigations into Bush's Lawbreaking." Please give it a read, and if it doesn't make you angry, I don't know what will:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/15/complicity/index.html posted 07/19/2008 at 08:17:00

Obama Iraq Speech: US Strategy Is Unsound

I am heartsick, too. One week "all options are on the table" against a country that has done nothing to us, and the next week he lectures hard-working Americans about "repsonsiblity." There are no jobs because Congress gave them away (and yes, he signed onto to these trade deals and will continue to do so) . It sickened me.
And oh, yes. Let's send our tired troops to fight in Afghanistan and also Pakistan. He's been bought and sold by the warmongering corporations. posted 07/16/2008 at 07:53:16
Yep. posted 07/16/2008 at 07:42:34

Karl Rove, The White House And The Rule Of Law

I don't think the Bush Adminstration repsects you guys in Congress much, and gee, I wonder why. Could it be: 1.) "impeachment is off the table," 2.) showing absolutely no stomach for enforcing inherent contempt on indivduals, 3.) giving Bush all our taxpayer money to fund the Occupation, 4.) the Patriot Act, and--the icing on the cake!--5.) ripping apart the Fourth Amendment until it lies in bloody shreds at the feet of American citizens who have relied on it since the beginning of this country.

Karl Rove not showing up is par for the course. I would have been surprised if he had, and really what would have really happened to him did show up even confessed to wrongdoing? Nothing. Just as nothing is going to happen to Bush for his illegal spying. posted 07/10/2008 at 20:44:54

Support Obama for Women

Rep. DeGette, I'm just stepping in here to thank your for your vote against the FISA sell-out.
Whether I vote for him or not is up to Obama. Right now, I don't trust or respect him. posted 07/10/2008 at 13:05:52

FISA Fight: Attack Of The Epic Failure

well, I was paying attention to him. I distinctly remember him talking about this and promising not to cave on this issue. Although he was my third choice for the nomination, I thought at the time: "Maybe he won't be so bad." Well, he rode up like a travelling preacher, gave a pretty sermon, passed the collection plate, took the money, and ran, didn't he? posted 07/09/2008 at 22:10:32
Lord, Lord, what world do you live in? That you can pretend to yourself that Obama has no clout within the Democratic Party right now--when he has ALL the clout--is self-deception and making justicifations for Obama's behavior. One word from Obama could have shut this down.
I've got news for you: he lied to Americans when he said he'd filibuster this and vote against this and then did the opposite. He took people's money and votes based on false premises, and then he voted for the most Constitutionally damaging piece of legislation since our founding..... look, if you want to play "Rah-Rah Obama" in your own head, fine. Just quit spouting crap like "without this legislation, our national security would be greatly compromised." You insult our intelligence. posted 07/09/2008 at 22:04:42

Iran Test-Fires Nine Missiles, Warns It Will Retaliate

Your site should headline with FISA all morning!! It's not every day our Fourth Amendment rights are gutted. Shame on you. You'll probably just headline it after the fact. Put these Senators to shame right now, as they speak. Isn't anyone there watching CSPAN 2? posted 07/09/2008 at 11:07:58

My Position On FISA

I think they have to admit that they did it, and then they can be pardoned. Thus they admit it. Bush pardons.
Also, as I understand it, there is a very small window of time before the Statute of Limitations runs out on these telecoms. Criminal liability is a long, long shot. Why not just let the civil suits go forward, as Dodd, Feingold, and other like-minded Senators want? What's so complicated about that? I don't know anyone--except diehard Republicans (the 28%-ers)--who have compassion for telecom corporations, so it's not as if this is a left-wing issue only. You and I have to go to court if we do something wrong. Why give these guys a special law that immunizes them?
It's a gift to the telecoms, who give money to the candidates. posted 07/05/2008 at 08:44:49
From Joseph Galloways' commentary entitled "How Dare They Rip the Fourth Amendment?" (McClatchey Newspapers):

"We are living in a time when the right of habeas corpus " which simply put is your right to be brought before a proper court of law where the government is made to prove that there is good and legal reason to detain you " recently survived by a margin of only one vote at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Now these bad actors are prepared to set aside your right to privacy " written into the Constitution as a key part of our Bill of Rights " with hardly a nod in the direction of the true patriots who rebelled against an English king and his army to guarantee those rights.

That they will do this while the last empty phrases of the political windbags at the Fourth of July celebrations are still echoing across a thousand city parks and the bright red, white and blue bunting and blizzard of American flags still flap in the breeze is little short of breath-taking.

How dare they?"

You can read the full commentary here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/43123.html

It's one of the best commentaries I've read concerning this travesty about to be thrust upon the American people. posted 07/04/2008 at 11:10:16
"Loyal Bushies." Now we have "Loyal Bammies." Never question. Always rationalize. Against telecom immunity before he was for it? That's okay. Wants the government to spy on you? That's okay, too. Anything you want, Obama, anything you want. posted 07/04/2008 at 10:25:51
There is no need to "reestablish FISA." FISA's been there since 1978. That's not what this bill is doing. They're saying: "FISA is the exclusive means..." It's always been that way, this law doesn't change that one whit. They're pulling the wool over your eyes when they say that.
What it DOES do is make blanket sweeps of our phone calls, emails, and faxes legal.

To Obama (as if he cares);
You write:
"But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year."
Well, if you voted against the PAA, why not just let it expire? Why endorse this horrible law?

People, if you listen to Russ Feingold instead of the dishonest politicans who let the telecoms write this law, you'd be better informed:

"This legislation is going to be remembered as the legislation in which Congress granted the executive branch the power to sweep up all of our international communications with very few controls or oversight."

One word from Obama to Reid and Reid would not bring this unconstitutional and unpatriotic law to the floor. But no, too many muckey-mucks in Congress are compromised, too many palms aregreased, and too many Senators and Congressmen don't care about the public they serve, anymore. posted 07/04/2008 at 10:19:42

Obama to Represent the Uprising on Trade?

repearwo wrote:

"...we need to embrace trade with the rest of the world, understanding that there will be disruption in the job market with old jibs moving out of the country and new jobs being created..."

What do you think we've BEEN doing since Bush has been in office?
And why did the old jobs move out and where are the new jobs that are being created?
And retrain for what?

"Understanding there will be disruption in the job market.." I love that. Yeah, you go to the people signing up for unemployment benefits right now today and tell them that. They'd probably punch you in the face.

Who wrote this? Phil Gramm, is that you? If it's not, it sounds like someone with a nice, cushy, secure, five-to-six figure office job. posted 07/03/2008 at 12:08:29

Seven Things Barack Obama Should Do to Keep from Blowing It

Standing behind someone 100% and giving blind loyalty to him is what "loyal Bushies" do. Be loyal to a cause or an idea, but not to someone who changes positions and who takes no firm stance. It is not up to the voter to give blind loyalty, it is up to the candidate to earn your loyalty. posted 07/03/2008 at 07:12:02

The Changing Times and the Equinox Voter

Excellent post. posted 07/03/2008 at 07:44:09

Obama Vows To Expand Bush's Faith-Based Programs

Strike Five: he now says his earlier comments about renegotiating NAFTA were "overheated."
Srike Six: He got on his knees before the AIPAC neocons.
Strike Seven: He disrespected all the "dirty fu*cking hippies of the sixties, who were instrumental in getting Nixon out of office, bringing about an end to the Viet Nam War, and yes, helping to make it possible that a black man (or a woman) could run for the very office to which he's aspiring.

*******Who the h*ll does he think he IS, anyway ********* posted 07/01/2008 at 14:01:14

Olbermann Special Comment: Obama's Second Chance On FISA

"...he has already changed his position on four major issues from progressive/left before the end of the primary to center/conservative afterwards: FISA, 2nd Amendment, NAFTA, and campaign finance reform."

He kneeled before AIPAC and caved to the neocon wing of the Israeli party, too. posted 07/01/2008 at 06:41:31

History is Made: New GI Bill Signed into Law

I am so glad for the veterans!
Now let's bring them home, so they can take advantage of these benefits! posted 06/30/2008 at 22:31:40

Memo to Obama: Moving to the Middle is for Losers

Do you mean "DLC?" The DLC is the corporate wing of the party. posted 07/01/2008 at 08:16:59
Your post exactly epitomizes my thinking on this.
Furthermore, when the nominee goes back on his word and breaks his promses, it is not the responsibility of the citizen to make excuses for the candidate's behavior. It is up to the candidate to prove he deserves the citizen's vote. FISA is the defining issue. I am not optimistic, either. posted 06/30/2008 at 17:20:51

McCain: "Obama's Word Cannot Be Trusted"

Sketchartist is right. Obama has now left himself open to criticism. His support for telecom immunity and using the fear card left him open to attacks from Republicans. They must have loved it when they heard him backtrack on his promises.
Now, of course, many people are left wondering if Obama can be trusted. It seems the only people he's pleased now are his high-paid political consultants. posted 06/29/2008 at 12:18:35

Don't Worry About Obama's Brand For God's Sake!

That's the point. It can't be changed. Once this is law, the telecoms are off the hook, Bush is off the hook, and they can legally spy on you until 2012. Why do you think everyone is up in arms? It's a dangerous law, and for whatever reasons, the spineless Democrats are giving George Bush everything he wants.
And no, Obama can't criminally prosecute telecoms after he's President, because George Bush can pardon the telecoms before he leaves office. posted 06/30/2008 at 16:30:28
Someone on another site suggested suspending donations until we see what Obama does with FISA. Of course, giving money in these times is such a personal decision that no one should ever urge another to give money or not give money. posted 06/30/2008 at 16:14:26
"Barack knows what he's doing, his people know what they're doing, this is all very carefully calibrated."

How do you know that, Mr. De Zengotita? He seems to be surrounding himself with all of Clinton's DLC people. At least, the stances he taking (as opposed to his earlier stances) seem to come right out of the old "don't take a stand on anything" playbook. With that mindset, we got the spineless 2006 Democratic Congress.
What I'm taking away from your post is: "Trust him. He'll fix it." That's child-like thinking. After seven years, "trust me" doesn't work, anymore. posted 06/30/2008 at 11:27:19

Obama Undercuts His Brand

Bush can pardon them all before he leaves office, so criminal prosecution is very unlikely. posted 06/28/2008 at 18:44:41
"...you make progress by sitting down, listening to people, recognizing everybody's concerns, seeing other people's points of views, and then making decisions."

I wonder kind of people he's listening to...maybe Bob Shrum and Terry McAuliffe. posted 06/28/2008 at 18:31:20
I urge everyone to read the column "Primary Over, Hillary Won" by David Lindorff:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/28/9954/

It succinctly summarizes the problems with Obama's shift in position and should make us angry. Obama has gone back on his word on positition after position, and he should be held to account for this.
I wonder which of Hillary's consultants he'd brought on board. He and Clinton are morphing into the same person. posted 06/28/2008 at 13:11:14

The Obama Problem

I agree with you 100%. posted 06/28/2008 at 11:21:47
"We already know he will do his best to get rid of anything unconstitutional when he takes office."

How do we know that? Here's an excerpt from TalkingPointsMemo on October 24, 2007:

"The Obama campaign has just sent over the following statement from spokesman Bill Burton:

'To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.'"

Make no mistake: Obama changed his position completely, and this Constitutional Law professor is now against the Fourth Amendment. He can't be any more clear. He isn't the person we thought he was. We don't know he'll pick an AG who will "clean house," or if he'll support liberal Supreme Court Justices, or get us out of Iraq in a timely manner. We don't know anything about his stances, anymore. posted 06/28/2008 at 10:00:27
"I''ll give him money with comments." He'll take your money and not bother to read your comments. Really, why should he? He's got your money. posted 06/28/2008 at 08:16:20
"JOHN DEAN has read the much talked about FISA bill and has said that there is absolutely NOTHING in that clause on immunity that prohibits CRIMINAL liability for the telecoms."

Glenn Greenwald writes:

"There are likely many reasons for confining immunity to civil liability -- including the heightened difficulty of proving criminal intent and, most importantly, the fact that Bush, on his way out, can pardon telecoms from criminal but not civil liability. "

By the way, John Dean is very clear about this FISA bill, too. He wrote:

"Well, I think, you've got to give one for the terrorists on our Fourth Amendment. They really did some damage today in this so-called compromise, contrary to what the speaker said that really does hurt the Constitution."

So, really, we can't justify Obama's position, except to say he's willing to damage the Fourth Amendment for political expediency. That's just cold, hard reality. Sad, but true. posted 06/28/2008 at 07:57:11
What freakin' changes are you talking about? Just what "compromises" HAVE to be made to FISA? Spell it out for me pleasse. posted 06/27/2008 at 15:07:39

North Korea Destroys Nuclear Reactor Tower (VIDEO)

I wonder if the price of all this diplomacy isn't more U.S. jobs going to North Korea ow. I know the people are very, very poor and desperate, but why American jobs? posted 06/27/2008 at 09:39:59

Oh I Get It, The Left Just Doesn't Want to Win This Year

What do you mean, she's not an Obama supporter? All I see is that she's passionately against the FISA bill and Obama's stance on it, as any true Progressive should be. posted 06/27/2008 at 06:58:28

Will Obama Feel the Sting of Social Networking?

Here is an excerpt from McClatchey ("Will Obama's shifting stances undermine his true-blue image?"):

"Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe, while not acknowledging any flip-flops on Obama's part, said "we see no evidence" of frustration among voters."

That's a lie. People have been calling and writing Obama's campaign, his Senate office, and his district office day after day, expressing outrage at his sell-out to fear over the Fourth Amendment. posted 06/27/2008 at 07:49:02

Congress Abandons the Fight for Liberty and Privacy

Thank you for your stance on this issue. Everyone who believes in the rule of law should band together on this issue. Those Democrats and Republicans who allowed the telecoms to help write this law and who took money from the telecoms and then voted in favor of this law should be run out of town.
I posted 06/25/2008 at 17:14:14

Serenity Lost: Obama And The Netroots

It's not a matter of convicting and removing. It's a matter of investigating the Bush (and Cheney), no matter the outcome. posted 06/25/2008 at 15:58:48
The only way we can prove Bush's spying is if we take the telecoms to court. Congress is trying to make that impossible by giving the telecoms immunity from prosecution.
(By the way, telecoms weren't duped. They have a team of lawyers that know the law inside and out. They knew what they were doing was illegal. The DID get a boatload of our taxpayer money through contracts, however) posted 06/25/2008 at 13:25:32
If only Huffington Post would headline with FISA. I suppose they will once it's all over and the administration can legally spy on us. Thanks alot, Huffington Post. posted 06/25/2008 at 13:18:30

We Need to Know the Truth About the NSA Spy Program

Yes, we are counting on you.
You have no idea how this feels to people outside the beltway. I, personally, feel as if I've been kicked in the gut by our Representatives in the House.
There is absolutely no reason for Congress to be passing this so quickly now.
Please grab some of your collegues, hit 'em upside the head, and stop the passage of this horrendous bill.
Thank you, Senator Boxer!!!!! posted 06/24/2008 at 18:29:59

MoveOn To Obama: Keep Your Word, Filibuster Telecom Immunity

I have never been a Clinton supporter, but if she does support a filibuster and REALLY puts her weight behind it, I applaud her.
Our Fourth Amendment rights have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with our freedoms and right to privacy.
If they can spy on us, they can control us.
I'd be grateful to Clinton if she supported a filibuster. posted 06/23/2008 at 09:54:57

Countering GOP Racism With A Class-Based Uprising Message

Obama lost me with his announcement that he will be supporting the FISA bill. Now I'm wondering: what else? I can't get his speech to the AIPAC neocons out of my mind, and he doesn't seem to be too keen on trade issues, either.
I'll vote for him, but I will not knock on doors, lick envelopes, or contribute to his campaign. He seems to be courting the "low information" voters now. Fine. Trouble is, as witnessed by the Clinton's lack of individual contributors, "low information" voters don't give much money or actively support their candidate. Good luck, Obama. You led us to believe you had some principals. Remember his "I taught the Constitution, I believe in the Constitution, and I will uphold the Constitution of the United States of America!" schtick? What a rube I was to fall for it. posted 06/20/2008 at 18:09:31

House easily passes compromise surveillance law

I'm an Obama supporter (although I have towonder why he isn't speaking up on this tragedy). Ron Paul will NOT along with this. Ron Paul supporters--along with Glenn Greenwald, Jane Hamsher and many more---are helping to raise money to thestrangebedfellows.com (Federal Act Blue) to get these jerks exposed. Don't be putting donw Ron Paul today, when all these Democrats are giving away our civil rights. Ron Paul is correct on this issue, as he is on getting us out of Iraq. If you want to put down someone, put down Pelosi, Hoyer, Reyes, Reid, etc.--the rat ba*tards. posted 06/20/2008 at 10:16:56

Re-Heat Offender: Cindy Bakes Another Whopper

"In fact, not even middle-class women bake a lot of cookies. They have at least a Mexican maid or such."

Middle class women have a maid? You probably should define middle class here. Most middle class women I know work outside the home and then come home and do all the crap that needs to be done there. Not a maid "or such" to be found. posted 06/17/2008 at 09:23:37

Obama Moves To The Center

Yeah, you do that and get more justices like Alito, Scalia, and Roberts on the court, and when you have no rights and habeus corpus is suspended, you can say "at least I knew what I was getting into." What stupid logic. posted 06/13/2008 at 07:27:32

The Help Americans Deserve

FogBelter, you hit the nail on the head. Elaine Chao is fudging the numbers. She should be called to testify and explain just how she arrives at those phony numbers they're always spouting, especially when the stock market goes down. Like today: retail sales are the highest in six months. What? Did some oil company execs buy a few yachts?
I agree with you on a retroactive outsourcing tax, too, and tariffs.
All any of these members of Congress do is complain and say they're trying so hard, but those mean Republicans won't them do anything. I'm sick of their rhetoric. They never offer any real solutions. Extending unemployment is good, but they know nothing will come of it, and then they'll complain some more. posted 06/12/2008 at 09:49:42

Stop-Loss: This Generation's Deer Hunter

Just this morning on MSNBC, there was a little "reporter" who said she saw "Stop-Loss," and--surprise, surprise--didn't like it. Typical MSNBC stuff. posted 03/28/2008 at 14:03:01

Reverend Wright: Raw and Un-Cut


Reverend Jeremiah Wright said in this sermon:

"We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of innocents.."

It was a good sermon. The media and those who whore themselves out to it and spew what they're told to spew should be ashamed.
I would love to be in the audience when he speaks. posted 03/27/2008 at 13:22:53

4,000 Souls

Yes. The Occupation is immoral. It is now and always has been. The corporate media barely mentions the Occupation, even when we reach the 4,000 mark of American deaths. posted 03/24/2008 at 17:59:36

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