MrXfromplanetX

I loved this post from tommybones on this thread
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/senator-obama-in-the-summ_b_110545.html

Really?

Here is what Obama said back in February when accepting Chris Dodd's endorsement:

"We know it's time to time to restore our Constitution and the rule of law. This is an issue that was at the heart of Senator Dodd's candidacy, and I share his passion for restoring the balance between the security we demand and the civil liberties that we cherish.

I've been proud to stand with Senator Dodd in his fight against retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry. Secrecy and special interests must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens -- and set an example to the world -- that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient. Because in America "- no one is above the law."

And in January:

"No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people -- not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program. We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed. . . . reclaim our core values by restoring the rule of law."

And obviously, his vow last October to "support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies" can't be reconciled with his vow to "support" such a bill now. posted 07/04/2008 at 11:15:49

I'm really disappointed in Dems for Picking this guy. Kucinich had the best voting record out of any Democrat who ran, but the Corporate Media wouldn't tell anyone that. Huffpo gave Kucinich some coverage, but not as much as the corporate media favorites.

If you want to see the real Obama, listen to him speak to AIPAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvDrYmGpoNs (courtesy of Aijaz Ahmad and The Real News)

Listen to Pepe Escobar with The Real News cover who Obama is aligning himself with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769SVGpyaD0

I believe hundreds of thousands of people will die if Obama or McCain get elected. This film backs up what Pepe Escobar has to say about UN sanctions on Iraq.

http://mrxfromplanetx.com/paying-the-price-killing-the-children-of-iraq posted 07/03/2008 at 21:22:53

Why do you think we will come out ahead if we get a Democrat that votes like a Republican? He's an impostor. posted 07/04/2008 at 15:03:24

It's not even just FISA. He's going to get hundreds of thousands of people killed.

Aijaz Ahmad with Real News on Obamas speech to AIPAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvDrYmGpoNs

Pepe Escobar with The Real News on Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769SVGpyaD0

This John Pilger documentary backs up what Pepe Escobar is saying
http://mrxfromplanetx.com/paying-the-price-killing-the-children-of-iraq

You might as well vote Nader or do something. I wish Nader would have picked Kucinich as his VP. That would be a great team.

http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Third-Party-Candidates posted 07/04/2008 at 11:12:13

We could vote for Nader, or maybe someone else will jump in the race. Here are some ideas.

http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Third-Party-Candidates

The above page has this link, but there's a list of who we have to vote for right now

http://votesmart.org/election_president.php?dist=bio.php posted 07/04/2008 at 11:01:53

I live in the reddest of red states, and I can tell you Republicans who value the Constitution are upset abut this FISA bill as well.

I work with Republicans who don't support Ron Paul, and they're still against this bill when they know what the 4th Amendment says.

Obama didn't have to do this. There was no reason for him to do this. it doesn't make any sense unless the telecom companies own his ass. This is almost as bad as Republicans who can't admit Bush lied to them about Iraq. posted 07/04/2008 at 10:54:21

The corporate media gave you Obama in the first place. Look at how much coverage the media gave Obama and Clinton.

As Ralph Nader would say, they are corporate Democrats.

How much coverage did they give Dennis Kucinich? That's because he would cost them money, and they know it.

If Obama wasn't going to sell out to them, I really don't believe they would have given him the coverage they've given him.

The mainstream media isn't telling you this are they?

Aijaz Ahmad for wiht Real News on Obamas speech to AIPAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvDrYmGpoNs

Pepe Escobar with The Real News on Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769SVGpyaD0 posted 07/04/2008 at 10:37:43

Oops, on my last post I listed the Senate votes for FISA to move forward. This link gives you the vote tally for the House votes for FISA

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-437 posted 07/03/2008 at 23:07:12

Dear, Mr. Cesca. I believe you got conned into supporting an image. A "pretty face". If this isn't about issues, what the hell is it about?

"Simultaneously confounded and disappointed by some of his recent remarks on trade, FISA and faith-based initiatives."

You want to support someone because he will look good in the white house, and claim to be a Democrat while he's doing it?

Kucinich voted against NAFTA, the Iraq War, the Reauth of the Patriot Act, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, H.R. 1955 (The Violent Radicalized Homegrown Terrorist Prevention Act), and this FISA bill. If something was a bad bill, he probably voted against it. He has the best voting record for any Democrat that ran. All of this can be verified on http://govtrack.us

If people like you would have endorsed Dennis Kucinich instead of the man you thought presented a pretty image, we would have a candidate worth voting for.

Many Ron Paul supporters would have crossed over and voted for him because he has such a good voting record.

I'm going to vote for Ralph Nader or Bob Barr. I will not vote for this guy. The next step is to weed out everyone from Congress who supported this FISA bill.

We have 15 people with guts. Fourteen (14) Democrats, and one (1) independent--my hero Bernie Sanders
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/votes/?votenum=158&chamber=S&congress=1102&tally=1 posted 07/03/2008 at 22:58:59

You could have got most of the Ron Paul supporters to switch over and support Kucinich. Do you think a McCain type neocon would swing over and support Obama? posted 07/03/2008 at 22:22:19

So why does it make sense to vote for a Democrat who isn't going to do what you have listed. He voted for the Reauth of the Patriot Act, just like he's supporting this FISA bill.

Yes he has a pretty face, and is a smooth talker, so I guess that's just great if that's all you want. posted 07/03/2008 at 22:17:42

I just helped get a corrupt Congressman out in my state. I went door to door handing out flyers for his opponent in my precinct (so did a lot of other people) and we won!!!!

Everyone else can do this too. We can win if we are willing to get up off our butts and take action.

Let's all work together to get peace candidates on the ballot.

Let's all work together kick corrupt politicians off the ballot.

http://alternativeconservative.com/caucus posted 06/25/2008 at 23:27:58

If you wanted single payer health insurance, you should have backed Kucinich. Kucinich has the best voting record of any democrat who ran.

Kucinich voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the Reauth of the Patriot Act. Kucinich supports John Conyers extend Medicare bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-676 rather than requiring everyone buy a corporate health insurance plan. What the hell?

Obama is not what you think he is, and now we are all screwed (see below)

http://alternativeconservative.com/2008/06/23/info-i-recommend-on-fisa

It's sad Dem's will support him because everyone has dug in too deep. posted 06/25/2008 at 23:17:43

How do figure Lieberman isn't a hack Republican -- he's a Neocan. The original term Neocon applied to Democrats who became Republicans. Check out "The Power of Nightmares"

http://mrxfromplanetx.com/the-power-of-nightmares

This is one reason why we can't get anywhere in politics, We have all these people backing really corrupt peaces of crap because they think they are going to get something out of it.

We all need to rise up and kick peaces of crap out of office whether they are Democrats or Republicans http://alternativeconservative.com/caucus posted 06/25/2008 at 23:06:32

This attitude is why the country is so messed up. No one should negotiate on really bad bills. There's no excuse for his support for the Reauth of the Patriot Act, and there's no excuse for his support of FISA. He is a corporate Democrat so the news media did story after story on the guy, until everyone was sold on him.

If people wanted a real Democrat they should have voted for Kucinich, but no one did their research.

We would be better off to get a mass movement going to support someone who is not being supported by the media: like Ralph Nader or even Bob Barr.

Obama doesn't support the fairness doctrine either. Don't you see a pattern yet?

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html?desc=topstory

We just been an incumbent in my district and it took 1000 people going door to door in each of their precincts handing out flyers. Couldn't we do something like this for a real candidate to over power the media, rather than supporting another corporate stooge? posted 06/27/2008 at 09:45:45

Get a clue people. Obama supported the Reauth of the Patriot Act,
Senate votes http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-29
Congress votes http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-627

This is a pattern of supporting really bad crap and soft pedaling it. Do you think the corporate media would have promoted him so much if he hadn't sold out to corporate interests? Obama will probably support S. 1959 at this rate.

Glen Greenwald from Salon on Obamas support for FISA http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/21/obama/index.html

http://digg.com/politics/Obama_Supports_FISA_Legislation_Angering_Left

Kucinich on FISA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM2HLbcUafA

Democrats would be better off to vote for Nader, and Republicans are better off to vote for Barr. The two mainstream candidates are the ones presented to us by the corporate media. posted 06/22/2008 at 14:07:24

Why do Democrats have to compromise when they have the majority? Why not just all vote no? It's better to have no bill pass at all, than to get a bad bill.

Obama came up with this same kind of compromise crap when it came to the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act. Why the hell do people trust this guy? You know who didn't? Dennis Kucinich.

The only problem is he would kick some corporate ass, so the corporate media stonewalled the guy. It makes me very said to see Democrats went for the guy promoted by the corporate media. They could have gone for the guy who has a proven track record of always voting No when it counts.

Kucinich voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the Reauth of the Patriot Act.
Kucinich supports John Conyers extend Medicare bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-676 rather than requiring everyone buy a corporate health insurance plan. What the hell?

If Dems want socialized medicine, why didn't they vote for someone who actually supports it, rather than vote for people who want to keep the corporate blood sucking insurance companies in the picture--and give them tax dollars.

It really ticks me off people voted for a public relations image, rather than voting based on real substance. posted 06/22/2008 at 14:03:31

It makes me very said to see Democrats went for the guy promoted by the corporate media. They could have gone for the guy who has a proven track record of always voting No when it counts. posted 06/22/2008 at 02:33:32

McCain wants to cut corporate tax from 35% to 25%. I can see why the corporate media supports him.

At any rate, get a clue people. Obama supported the Reauth of the Patriot Act,
Reauth of the Patriot Act
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-627
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-29

http://digg.com/politics/Obama_Supports_FISA_Legislation_Angering_Left
Kucinich on FISA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM2HLbcUafA

Obama came up with this same kind of compromise crap when it came to the Reauth of the Patriot Act. Why the hell do people trust this guy?

Kucinich voted against the FISA bill yesterday, NAFTA, CAFTA, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the Reauth of the Patriot Act.
Kucinich supports John Conyers extend Medicare bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-676 rather than requiring everyone buy a corporate health insurance plan.

If Dems want socialized medicine, vote for someone who actually supports it. Don't require people to buy a plan from the corporate blood sucking insurance companies and give them tax dollars--Hillary plan.

It really ticks me off people voted for a public relations image, rather than substance.

Maybe we could get Ralph Nader to pick Kucinich up as VP and Bob Barr could pick up Chuck Baldwin. Then we could at least have a show down between some candidates who are worthy of consideration. posted 06/22/2008 at 02:33:09

If Obama is going to be accountable for his actions, then why isn't anyone holding him accountable for voting for the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-29

I also believe his 0.7% tax on the GDP for the U.N. is bad.

Only two people ran on the platform of restoring the Constitution. Dennis Kucinich, and Ron Paul.

Check out John Pilger's "Paying the Price: Killing the Children of Iraq" http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=john+pilger+paying+the+price&sitesearch=#

This film looks at the U.N. sanctions against Iraq that killed over a million children. The U.N. Looks after multinational corporations, not people. posted 06/20/2008 at 15:10:24

ohn McCain has clearly sold out as a neocon pawn, but I would like to know what the Obama troop withdrawn plan is that McCain was slamming. I have watched several of Obama's speeches on Youtube, but I have never heard a clear withdrawal plan.

Does anyone have a link they can provide to me?

I would really like to hear someone say let's bring the 10's of thousands of troops home from South Korea and around the world. The U.S. should stop trying to police the world.

Personally, if we can't get Bush and Cheney impeached, I think we need war crimes tribunals. If you don't know how to make this happen, consider putting Congressmen and Senators on the ballot who will. This site explains how to do that http://alternativeconservative.com/caucus posted 06/14/2008 at 12:35:46

John McCain has clearly sold out as a neocon pawn, but I would like to know what the Obama troop withdrawn plan is that McCain was slamming. I have watched several of Obama's speeches on Youtube, but I have never heard a clear withdrawal plan.

Does anyone have a link they can provide to me?

I would really like to hear someone say let's bring the 10's of thousands of troops home from South Korea and around the world. The U.S. should stop trying to police the world.

Personally, if we can't get Bush and Cheney impeached, I think we need war crimes tribunals. If you don't know how to make this happen, consider putting Congressmen and Senators on the ballot who will. This site explains how to do that http://alternativeconservative.com/caucus posted 06/14/2008 at 11:53:32

Dennis Kucinich is the only Democrat who ran on the platform of restoring the Constitution. Dennis Kucinich voted against the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act.

Let's look at who voted for it, and hold them accountable
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-29
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-414

Kucinich is the only person in office who keeps calling for Bush and Cheney to be impeached.

Check out the videos of his speeches on Youtube.

I would gain a great deal of confidence in Obama, if he picked Dennis Kucinich. posted 06/14/2008 at 12:31:27

You ever notice how people who post stuff like this on Youtube disable the comment section? posted 06/14/2008 at 12:26:27

One Democrat ran on the platform of restoring the Constitution . . . only one: Dennis Kucinich.

I would have no reservations over voting for Obama if he picks Dennis Kucinich.

Who is the only man who keeps trying to impeach Bush and Cheney? Dennis Kucinich.

Check out the videos on Youtube. The man is awesome. posted 06/14/2008 at 12:02:38