May 17, 2008
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jrterrier
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Florida, Michigan cannot save Clinton
it's not hillary that should concern you. it's her supporters, who continue to believe that she would make the better president and that the hatred obama and his supporters have thrown our way is a measure of the man, ok, sweetie. posted 05/16/2008 at 20:43:33
John McCain: Obama Unfit To Protect The United States
all mccain is saying is that he doesn't think that the president of the US should meet with the current president of iran as obama stated in one of his debates and continues to stand by it, given today's spitting match between the obama campaign and the bush administration.
i thought his statement was both measured and respectful. one can disagree with it, but there was nothing nasty or disrespectful about the statement. posted 05/15/2008 at 18:12:47
i thought his statement was both measured and respectful. one can disagree with it, but there was nothing nasty or disrespectful about the statement. posted 05/15/2008 at 18:12:47
John McCain Trades Straight Talk for Unadulterated Fantasy
oops, if you refer to a 'fantasy' you are racist, that's what the obama supporters have taught us. remember when they accused bill clinton of racism for calling obama's claim about his position on iraq, a 'fantasy.' so i'd be careful how about bandiing that word around posted 05/15/2008 at 16:51:19
Massive Blowback To NARAL's Obama Endorsement
who said this is about feminism? it is about supporting the most qualified, experienced and capable candidate
by the way, sweetie, do you know how many states there are in the union? because your candidate doesn't seem to know.. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:59:49
by the way, sweetie, do you know how many states there are in the union? because your candidate doesn't seem to know.. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:59:49
"angry women" ? are you sure you didn't mean, 'sweeties' posted 05/16/2008 at 23:19:43
i would be very happy if we all could get the nominee. did you hear, though, hillary clinton is the nominee. will you get behind her and pledge to work to elect her? posted 05/16/2008 at 23:17:20
i love it. huffpost has been a den of anti-clinton stories and sentiments for a year. there has been no honor in the manner in which hillary and bill clinton have been defamed, called racists and her supporters demeaned.
axelrod, obama's campaign manager is a master at this type of campaign. he's lousy at winning the election after he sows such angry dissension. he did it in nyc, when he managed the campaign of ferer (i may have the spelling wrong). the anger he engendered within the dem party led to the election of the republican candidate.
but most importantly, it is my concern about obama's lack of experience that keeps me from supporting him. i see him, not unlike i saw W when he ran, as an inexperienced young man, in over his head. he can give a good speech when he's reading from a teleprompter but when he is on his feet, he often stumbles and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
recently, he told an audience in oregon that he was happy to be there. he said that was the 57th state he visited and he had one more yet to visit? huh? 57 states? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
truly, reminds me of W. frankly, his newest ad in KY, standing in a pulpit, with a quote from a scripture and a cross really troubles me. there is nothing more damaging to a civil society that the insertion of religion into politics. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:08:29
axelrod, obama's campaign manager is a master at this type of campaign. he's lousy at winning the election after he sows such angry dissension. he did it in nyc, when he managed the campaign of ferer (i may have the spelling wrong). the anger he engendered within the dem party led to the election of the republican candidate.
but most importantly, it is my concern about obama's lack of experience that keeps me from supporting him. i see him, not unlike i saw W when he ran, as an inexperienced young man, in over his head. he can give a good speech when he's reading from a teleprompter but when he is on his feet, he often stumbles and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
recently, he told an audience in oregon that he was happy to be there. he said that was the 57th state he visited and he had one more yet to visit? huh? 57 states? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
truly, reminds me of W. frankly, his newest ad in KY, standing in a pulpit, with a quote from a scripture and a cross really troubles me. there is nothing more damaging to a civil society that the insertion of religion into politics. posted 05/16/2008 at 23:08:29
have you been blind to the hate directed at hillary and bill clinton? from obama and michelle on down? posted 05/16/2008 at 20:41:44
i'll try sweetie but it may take some time because i don't think he's sufficiently experienced to be president. just like i didn't think that W was sufficiently experienced to be President. i trust my own judgment. posted 05/16/2008 at 20:32:26
both barack and michelle, themselves started this game variously saying they might not be able to support hillary and that his supporters may not support her. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx
GMA: Could you see yourself working to support Hillary Clinton should she win the nomination?
MICHELLE OBAMA: I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that, her policies, her approach, her tone.
GMA: That's not a given?
MICHELLE OBAMA: You know, everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think that we're all working for the same thing. and, you know, I think our goal is to make sure that the person in the White House is going to take this country
in a different direction. I happen to believe that Barack is the only person who can really do that.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011885.php posted 05/16/2008 at 20:30:07
GMA: Could you see yourself working to support Hillary Clinton should she win the nomination?
MICHELLE OBAMA: I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that, her policies, her approach, her tone.
GMA: That's not a given?
MICHELLE OBAMA: You know, everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think that we're all working for the same thing. and, you know, I think our goal is to make sure that the person in the White House is going to take this country
in a different direction. I happen to believe that Barack is the only person who can really do that.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011885.php posted 05/16/2008 at 20:30:07
courage at this time? posted 05/15/2008 at 16:05:47
that's the difference. obama can call his wife and children, his aunts and friends
"sweetie: all he wants. he cannot call a stranger, who is a professional doing her job, 'sweetie.' no more than a stranger should call a grown man, a "boy."
if you don't understand the difference between calling a child or a loved one 'sweetie' and saying that to a grown woman whom he doesn't know, i don't know what else to say. posted 05/15/2008 at 16:05:15
"sweetie: all he wants. he cannot call a stranger, who is a professional doing her job, 'sweetie.' no more than a stranger should call a grown man, a "boy."
if you don't understand the difference between calling a child or a loved one 'sweetie' and saying that to a grown woman whom he doesn't know, i don't know what else to say. posted 05/15/2008 at 16:05:15
she may be a brilliant woman but there is no need to call someone names. powers knows it and was embarrassed about having said it.
no one dragged her. she was dumped by obama (while staying true to others) not because of the hillary comment but because she also said that his comments about pulling out of iraq were merely campaign rhetoric. his decision on iraq would be made when he took office and reviewed intelligence reports. that's what got her dumped because it was at the same time that the economic guy was telling the canadians that obama's stance on nafta was just political talk.
please, know your facts before you criticize others for their actions. posted 05/15/2008 at 16:02:35
no one dragged her. she was dumped by obama (while staying true to others) not because of the hillary comment but because she also said that his comments about pulling out of iraq were merely campaign rhetoric. his decision on iraq would be made when he took office and reviewed intelligence reports. that's what got her dumped because it was at the same time that the economic guy was telling the canadians that obama's stance on nafta was just political talk.
please, know your facts before you criticize others for their actions. posted 05/15/2008 at 16:02:35
no one is impinging Naral's First amendment rights. The govt isn't shutting them down. NARAL is being criticized for the position it's taken, at this point in the campaign and against one of NARAL's most stalwart's supporters on behalf of a person who voted "present" as an Illinois state senator on a number of key votes of interest to NARAL.
if NARAL didn't want to be criticized, then it shouldn't have taken a stand. and by the way, did NARAL ask its members whether they wanted to have NARAL endorse Obama. I understant a number of NARAL chapters are disowning the endorsement.
Reminds me of the endorsement by the leadership of the service workers union in Vegas and then the members came out and voted for Hillary.
just like the dem leaders who are coming out for obama even when the voters of their states supported hillary. that's you kerry and kennedy; govt napolitano, gov richardson. posted 05/15/2008 at 15:59:21
if NARAL didn't want to be criticized, then it shouldn't have taken a stand. and by the way, did NARAL ask its members whether they wanted to have NARAL endorse Obama. I understant a number of NARAL chapters are disowning the endorsement.
Reminds me of the endorsement by the leadership of the service workers union in Vegas and then the members came out and voted for Hillary.
just like the dem leaders who are coming out for obama even when the voters of their states supported hillary. that's you kerry and kennedy; govt napolitano, gov richardson. posted 05/15/2008 at 15:59:21
if there is no doubt, then why did he lose West Virginia by 40%? If there is no doubt, why is he going to lose several of the remaining states. Can you tell me once, when the no-doubt nominee, lost several of the remaining contests?
If there is no doubt, why have more than 17 million democrats voted against him? never before has the democratic been so split. posted 05/15/2008 at 15:53:33
If there is no doubt, why have more than 17 million democrats voted against him? never before has the democratic been so split. posted 05/15/2008 at 15:53:33
what these groups and these superdelegates and other party elite don't seem to understand is that their coming out at this point in time is not unifying. the only fair thing in an election as close as this is to allow it to play out and let the remaining citizens vote.
anything short of that makes no sense and is divisive not unifying.
why would you try to shortcut the process at this point. hillary clinton has received the vote of nearly 17 million democratic voters; obama has just a few hundred thousand over that.
if the same people were calling for obama to step down, if the roles were reversed, there would be no amoung of people (including teddy kennedy, jimmy carter, al sharpton and many others) screaming about disenfranchisement.
let the people vote. we are democrats. posted 05/15/2008 at 12:28:10
anything short of that makes no sense and is divisive not unifying.
why would you try to shortcut the process at this point. hillary clinton has received the vote of nearly 17 million democratic voters; obama has just a few hundred thousand over that.
if the same people were calling for obama to step down, if the roles were reversed, there would be no amoung of people (including teddy kennedy, jimmy carter, al sharpton and many others) screaming about disenfranchisement.
let the people vote. we are democrats. posted 05/15/2008 at 12:28:10
NARAL is being criticized not because they came out against a woman but because they came out against hillary clinton, (1) who's been a stalwart in support of women's reproductive freedom , (2) because they came out at this point, 3 weeks before the end of the primary season when obama supporters are calling for her to withdraw in the closest primary contest ever; and (3) because obama's support of this issue is not as strong as hillary's (or at least can be questioned in light of his "present" votes). posted 05/15/2008 at 12:23:43
Steelworkers endorse Obama for president
i don't know. the steelworkers in that picture didn't seem to happy to be there. posted 05/15/2008 at 16:53:40
John Edwards: Open To Vice President, Interested In Attorney General
wait, you mean that edwards' endorsement is because he wants something for himself - say it ain't so. i thought all these endorsements were made based on the merits of the candidates. posted 05/15/2008 at 11:53:30
Bush Compares Obama To Nazi Appeasers
the dustup is about picking a fight with the person with the lowest popularity ratings in the country. it's hard to lose such a dustup. i am listening to obama's statement at a South Dakota rally right now. He's reading from a prepared script because when he doesn't, he might just refer to adult women as "sweeties" posted 05/16/2008 at 12:33:03
i love obama's response. his examples of good foreign policy -- jfk, nixon and reagan. hey sweetie, i know you hate to give Clinton any credit, but his foreign policy in the middle east was a lot better than the three you mentioned. and how about your buddy, carter -- gotta throw him under the bus too. posted 05/15/2008 at 18:07:37
Al Gore Endorsement: When Will It Happen?
i agree with you that it's a good primary tactic. but the primary is just one part of the equation. if obama were the leader he claims to be, he would understand that. if he were the undeniable winner that his supporters and dem leaders think he is, he wouldn't have lost so big in WVA. JFK and Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were able to win over those voters ("bitter" as they may have been). if he were the brilliant guy you all think he is, he should have let her bask in the light of her victory. he didn't. and probably, will not allow her to bask in her victory in KY.
he forgets, that such humiliating power plays will get him nowhere with her 17 million supporters in november.
you get what i mean, hon? or do i need to explain it more carefully, sweetie? posted 05/15/2008 at 13:26:13
he forgets, that such humiliating power plays will get him nowhere with her 17 million supporters in november.
you get what i mean, hon? or do i need to explain it more carefully, sweetie? posted 05/15/2008 at 13:26:13
Olbermann To Bush: "This War Is Not About You...Shut The Hell Up!"
i find olberman insufferable. if something can be said in ten words he uses 2000. he is so full of himself, it's obnoxious. posted 05/15/2008 at 01:31:22
Union Leaders' Clash Over Dem Endorsements A Sign Of Racial Polarization
i agree. every article tries to stir the racial angle. posted 05/15/2008 at 01:42:31
Obama Using Cross Flyer In Kentucky
i remember when the MSM and i think the huffpost went off on huckabee because he had an ad around the christmas holidays, sitting in front of a window, which looked like a cross. any of you part of those who criticized huckabee over it? no problem with obama and his cross? what about the separation of church and state? posted 05/15/2008 at 01:39:33
Obama Calls Reporter 'Sweetie' In Michigan
and he thinks there are 58 states in the US: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4860646 posted 05/15/2008 at 11:51:44
and how do you know all this about the reporter? posted 05/14/2008 at 20:36:01
and your response to everything is to blame clinton. let's see did clinton put words in obama's mouth? did clinton pay the reporter to ask him a question or to respond as she did when he called her sweetie.
No.
ok, then stop blaming hillary. posted 05/14/2008 at 20:33:35
No.
ok, then stop blaming hillary. posted 05/14/2008 at 20:33:35
his campaign manager. posted 05/14/2008 at 20:30:03
right. your mom. but obama has no relationship to this woman. posted 05/14/2008 at 20:29:34
two little girls, whom he calls sweetie. good for him. but he was talking to a grown woman, a professional doing a job. how would you react if someone referred to senator obama as "boy"?
that is extremely disrespectful. what was he thinking? posted 05/14/2008 at 18:26:40
that is extremely disrespectful. what was he thinking? posted 05/14/2008 at 18:26:40
John Edwards Endorses Obama... GOP Prospects "Worst Since Watergate"
real, real clever. so clever that it's the type of thing that wins elections for the other guy. sort of like the SF/bitter comment. posted 05/14/2008 at 18:23:06
if dem leaders and power brokers weren't afraid of hillary troucing obama in some of the upcoming states, they wouldn't be asking for her to bow out. they wanted her to bow out before PA and OH and TX. posted 05/14/2008 at 18:20:05
Democrats Sweep Special Elections For First Time In 30 Years
he did. his name is arnold schwartzeneger. posted 05/15/2008 at 01:53:35
Does Obama Even Need The Jewish Vote?
let's see, he doesn't need the jewish vote, doesn't need the blue collar vote, doesn't need the senior vote? i thought he was for unifying the country?
and oh, yeah, how does he win again? posted 05/14/2008 at 13:13:51
and oh, yeah, how does he win again? posted 05/14/2008 at 13:13:51
Reid Credits Clinton For Creating Senate War Room
it was her war room that allowed dems to gain the majority in the senate in 2006. posted 05/14/2008 at 20:26:35
Obama In Limbo Over 'Almost Nominee' Status
no dem candidate has won the presidency since 1916 without carrying WVA. it appears that obama has no chance of carrying WVA. she does. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:23:28
the dems cannot win without substantial support from blue collar workers. bill clinton and jimmy carter did better with this group which is why they were both elected while dukakis, gore (had he won even one of the blue collar states, the FL mess wouldn't have mattered) and kerry all lost. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:22:08
Superdelegates Continue To Flow To Obama
i thought obama was against the superdelegates deciding the nomination? posted 05/14/2008 at 13:15:06
Hillary Agonistes: Why Doesn't She Concede?
No one has a magic ball on what will happen in November. But one can have opinions about how the people in the states will vote. For example, it's pretty clear that African Americans will overwhelmingly vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Many (or most of them) would also vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. Same goes for some percentage of young voters.
By the same token, it's pretty clear that the majority of blue collar workers, seniors and women over 30 or 40 will vote for Hillary. Many (or some of them) would also vote for Obama.
And for those of you who continue to malign blue collar workers of being racists or ignorant, please remember that Hillary's popularity among that group is the result of Bill Clinton's successes during his presidency particularly with the economy. And also that she is running a more meats and potatos type of campaign that appeals to them. And also please remember that Obama is doing about the same with that demographic as Gore and Kerry so it's not about race; its about the candidate's style and appeal.
Based on the results of the primaries in states like Ohio and PA, where Obama campaigned hard and spent a lot of money but still lost, one could project that he might or would likely lose to McCain. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:27:31
By the same token, it's pretty clear that the majority of blue collar workers, seniors and women over 30 or 40 will vote for Hillary. Many (or some of them) would also vote for Obama.
And for those of you who continue to malign blue collar workers of being racists or ignorant, please remember that Hillary's popularity among that group is the result of Bill Clinton's successes during his presidency particularly with the economy. And also that she is running a more meats and potatos type of campaign that appeals to them. And also please remember that Obama is doing about the same with that demographic as Gore and Kerry so it's not about race; its about the candidate's style and appeal.
Based on the results of the primaries in states like Ohio and PA, where Obama campaigned hard and spent a lot of money but still lost, one could project that he might or would likely lose to McCain. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:27:31
She didn't even mention Obama. To accuse her of doing something she did not do, is a smear in itself.
At least be honest in your criticisms. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:20:13
At least be honest in your criticisms. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:20:13
Let me ask you this, would you have preferred for Obama to lose West Virginia by a landslide against a nominee that had withdrawn? I think that would have been even more embarrassing for Obama.
And why would you want to quash the enthusiasm of Dem voters. The W VA turnout was another record.
So for all of you who claim that the Dem turnout is energized only by Obama's run -- you are wrong. Dems are excited by both Hillary and Obama.
By the way, Edwards got 7% of the vote in W Va. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:19:03
And why would you want to quash the enthusiasm of Dem voters. The W VA turnout was another record.
So for all of you who claim that the Dem turnout is energized only by Obama's run -- you are wrong. Dems are excited by both Hillary and Obama.
By the way, Edwards got 7% of the vote in W Va. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:19:03
Because she received 100,000 more votes than he did in the primary. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:16:15
She stays because people are still overwhelmingly voting for her. She has won OH, TX, RI, PA, IN and now WVA by a landslide. Except for IN, she won all the other states by a pretty comfortable margin. That is 6 of the last 8. And they are some of the largest and most important states the Dems must win. During that time, Obama won VT and NC.
Be honest, if the roles were reversed wouldn't you be yelling that Obama should stay in. And Obama's lead is razor thin.
Teddy Kennedy (Obama's new found friend) stayed in to the convention with only 35% of the vote to Carter's more than 50%.
The pundits and the MSM have been trying to crown Obama since he won Iowa. And the people have been rejecting those calls. posted 05/14/2008 at 09:57:45
Be honest, if the roles were reversed wouldn't you be yelling that Obama should stay in. And Obama's lead is razor thin.
Teddy Kennedy (Obama's new found friend) stayed in to the convention with only 35% of the vote to Carter's more than 50%.
The pundits and the MSM have been trying to crown Obama since he won Iowa. And the people have been rejecting those calls. posted 05/14/2008 at 09:57:45
Is Clinton Looking For An "I Told You So" Moment?
do you think there arent' any obama supporters who have limited educational background? are we going to establish literacy tests for voting or perhaps poll taxes. only the rich and the well-educated can vote? nice unifying concept. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:10:28
you already looking for an excuse as to why obama will lose in november? such little c confidence in your candidate? pretty sad. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:08:24
sure brand clinton is so done that she has won OH, and PA by near double-digits. won RI, and WVA in a landslide; won TX and IN. that's 6 of the last 7 or 8. real done. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:06:35
what exactly did she do in WVA. she didn't even mention him. and would you really have preffered that obama lose WVA by a landslide against a candidate that had withdrawn from the race. that would have been even more pitiful posted 05/14/2008 at 13:04:35
oh, right, because obama has so united us. and he hasn't run any negative ads. or had his people call hillary and bill all sorts of names starting with suggesting and sometimes stating out right that they are racists. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:03:19
since 1916, no dem has won the presidency without carrying W VA. not everyone who votes for hillary because we think she would make a better candidate than obama is a racist. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:02:01
there are supporters on both side (hillary's and obama's) who say they will not vote for the other. since she's won 6 of the last 7 contests, why doesn't obama get out of the race?
i agree, he shouldn't. but neither should she. posted 05/14/2008 at 12:59:16
i agree, he shouldn't. but neither should she. posted 05/14/2008 at 12:59:16
what? she will at the same press conference where obama comes out and denounce the african americans who are voting for him? and michelle obama herself once said that she wasn't sure whether she would vote for hillary so obama should denounce his wife also. will that be sufficient for you?
no one has said that they will never vote for a black.
there are people on either side who say they will not vote for the other. are they all racists or sexists? posted 05/14/2008 at 12:58:01
no one has said that they will never vote for a black.
there are people on either side who say they will not vote for the other. are they all racists or sexists? posted 05/14/2008 at 12:58:01
A lot of the numbers you post up there are from caucuses, which clearly cannot be compared to the primaries. you can compare caucus states to caucus states and primary states to primary states.
the three states that have run both caucuses and primaries reflect this problem. The caucus states don't usually release the actual number of people who voted for each candidate in the caucuses because they don't report those counts. they only report the number of delegates won for each candidate in the caucus and that is done by a mathematical formula.
For example, in TX, Hillary won by 100,000 votes in the primary where nearly 3 million people voted with Hillary getting 51% to Obama's 47%; in the caucus, where only about 50,000 people participated, Obama won 56% to 44%.
The Nebraska primary yesterday came out 49% (Obama) to 47% (Hillary) when nearly 100,000 people voted (http://www.sos.ne.gov/elec/2008/ElectNight/primary.htm); in the Nebraska caucus, when 34,000 people showed up, Obama won 67% to 32%. (http://www.nebraskademocrats.org/content/1391/2008-Presidential-Caucus-Results).
A similar thing happened in Washington State. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:48:55
the three states that have run both caucuses and primaries reflect this problem. The caucus states don't usually release the actual number of people who voted for each candidate in the caucuses because they don't report those counts. they only report the number of delegates won for each candidate in the caucus and that is done by a mathematical formula.
For example, in TX, Hillary won by 100,000 votes in the primary where nearly 3 million people voted with Hillary getting 51% to Obama's 47%; in the caucus, where only about 50,000 people participated, Obama won 56% to 44%.
The Nebraska primary yesterday came out 49% (Obama) to 47% (Hillary) when nearly 100,000 people voted (http://www.sos.ne.gov/elec/2008/ElectNight/primary.htm); in the Nebraska caucus, when 34,000 people showed up, Obama won 67% to 32%. (http://www.nebraskademocrats.org/content/1391/2008-Presidential-Caucus-Results).
A similar thing happened in Washington State. posted 05/14/2008 at 10:48:55
Would you rather that Obama had lost by a blow out to a candidate who had withdrawn from the race?
Edwards got 7% of the vote in W Va and he's been out of the race for months.
What exactly has Hillary done wrong? posted 05/14/2008 at 10:31:49
Edwards got 7% of the vote in W Va and he's been out of the race for months.
What exactly has Hillary done wrong? posted 05/14/2008 at 10:31:49
That is just not true and it is the type of smear campaign against Hillary that will doom Obama's chances in November if his supporters continue it. Obama is getting the same percentage of the blue collar worker as Gore and Kerry. And the Clinton name is particularly golden among blue collar workers, who remember fondly that the economy was good to them during the Clinton presidency. As Hillary likes to say, what didn't you like about the 1990's -- the peace or the prosperity? posted 05/14/2008 at 10:30:15
Obama Muslim Smear Resurfaces: NYT Op-Ed Tags Obama As Muslim 'Apostate'
who the heck is Keith Kakugawa? posted 05/14/2008 at 13:54:44
the force of your logic was completely undermined when you stated in ending that you would not be surprised if a fatwa was decreed against the writer of the piece you condemned. isn't your fatwa suggestion doing the same thing you decry -- placing a person in harm's way. posted 05/14/2008 at 13:50:10
Obama Visits Missouri During West Virginia Primary
did you have any problem when Obama brought out his Kansas roots in KS; or his Hawaiian roots while in Hawaii; or his Illionois roots while in IL?
Hillary rightfully claimed that her grandfather was miner in PA and that she lived in Arkansas. I think it's pretty telling that the DEMs in Arkansas gave he such an ovewhelming win there. They knew her better than almost anywhere else because of her years living there. that should tell you something about who she really is. posted 05/12/2008 at 11:10:39
Hillary rightfully claimed that her grandfather was miner in PA and that she lived in Arkansas. I think it's pretty telling that the DEMs in Arkansas gave he such an ovewhelming win there. They knew her better than almost anywhere else because of her years living there. that should tell you something about who she really is. posted 05/12/2008 at 11:10:39
they also voted for JFK in 1960, even though he was the first catholic ever elected. so if you want to discount WVA as being full of bigots just because they favor Hillary over Obama, you can but you are being just narrow-minded and bigotted in your views.
Just because whoever wrote this story provocatively sought to focus on the misinformation held by this one (or few voters) doesn't mean that all the others base their vote on that point.
Does that mean that the other states that went for Hillary are also full of bigots? Hillary has almost as many votes as Obama and if you consider, even if not count, the voters of MI and FL, she has more. Are they all bigots? Can you for a moment accept that some of us just prefer Hillary to Obama for a myriad of reasons not related to bigotry? posted 05/12/2008 at 11:06:51
Just because whoever wrote this story provocatively sought to focus on the misinformation held by this one (or few voters) doesn't mean that all the others base their vote on that point.
Does that mean that the other states that went for Hillary are also full of bigots? Hillary has almost as many votes as Obama and if you consider, even if not count, the voters of MI and FL, she has more. Are they all bigots? Can you for a moment accept that some of us just prefer Hillary to Obama for a myriad of reasons not related to bigotry? posted 05/12/2008 at 11:06:51
unless you are voting in a caucus, where your vote is in public and public pressure wins. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:57:38
this is a lie. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:55:33
let's be clear. hillary supporters are not bigots and they are not ignorant. her supporters, like obama's, span the spectrum from rich to poor, from well-educated to less-educated, from brilliant to stupid, from bigotted to open-minded. this is america. we don't give tests (or shouldn't) before we allow people to vote or participate fully in our society.
this idea -- that you must be a bigot or ignorant if you think hillary would make a better president or if you think that obama doesn't have sufficient experience to be president -- is what is going to make it very difficult for obama to win in november, if he is nominated.
please look at the numbers, obama has a razor thin lead. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:52:43
this idea -- that you must be a bigot or ignorant if you think hillary would make a better president or if you think that obama doesn't have sufficient experience to be president -- is what is going to make it very difficult for obama to win in november, if he is nominated.
please look at the numbers, obama has a razor thin lead. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:52:43
the point nclayla was making is that you can manipulate a test to keep anyone you don't want from voting. those tests that were intended to be discriminatory were defended on the theory that they were race-neutral to keep unqualified voters from casting ballots. posted 05/12/2008 at 10:45:39
this is great. what's the necessary score to be allowed to vote?
what if you are a returning veteran and don't pass your test for voting, do they not get to vote? what if the lousy public schools in your community kept you from getting an education and so you do not do very well on standardized tests, do you get your vote taken from you? or what about the "right-brain" learners that rev wright told us about, are you going to have tests for 'right-brained' as well as 'left-brained' learners?
is this the change we've been waiting for? posted 05/12/2008 at 10:43:17
what if you are a returning veteran and don't pass your test for voting, do they not get to vote? what if the lousy public schools in your community kept you from getting an education and so you do not do very well on standardized tests, do you get your vote taken from you? or what about the "right-brain" learners that rev wright told us about, are you going to have tests for 'right-brained' as well as 'left-brained' learners?
is this the change we've been waiting for? posted 05/12/2008 at 10:43:17
Emanuel Says Kennedy Clinton Comments Out Of Line
are you kidding? what is there not to know about the clintons. their linnen has been out for all the public to see for the last 15 years. obama's numers are even more horrific now in MA than they were against hillary. the polls show him losing to McCain in one of the most DEM states in the nation. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:57:47
if he picks barbara boxer, he might as well mail it in. he will LOSE!!! she won't play well anywhere outside CA. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:55:51
filthy campaign against obama? you are making it up. they barely went at obama. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:54:37
mcgovern is an honorable man. and i still am a hillary supporter. ted kennedy has been a terrific senator but has not been very good at backing winning presidential nominees -- they all seem to lose in nov. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:53:40
as far as a paradign shift, obama didn't win AZ and although he won MO, his numbers are way below mccain in the head to head polls.
we'll see. obama and we dems better hope there is a huge paradign shift because if obama cannot carry PA, OH, MA, AZ, NV, RI and some of the other states that went big for Hillary, we are in trouble.
obama won Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and a few other states that are very unlikely to go Dem no matter the paradigm shift. and when you all and the media don't have bill and hillary to kick around anymore, it won't be pretty. rev wright's comments and bill ayres are going to become household names. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:50:16
we'll see. obama and we dems better hope there is a huge paradign shift because if obama cannot carry PA, OH, MA, AZ, NV, RI and some of the other states that went big for Hillary, we are in trouble.
obama won Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and a few other states that are very unlikely to go Dem no matter the paradigm shift. and when you all and the media don't have bill and hillary to kick around anymore, it won't be pretty. rev wright's comments and bill ayres are going to become household names. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:50:16
therealmacdady, what i'm telling you is that to win the presidency, you can't be far left or far right. that's why bush ran as "compassionate conservative" even if he wasn't.
the only dems that have won since jfk are carter and clinton, and neither of them are from the liberal wing of the dem party. so go ahead therealmacdaddy and respond to my comments by insulting me, i'll just continue to assume that others want facts rather than insults.
i'm a hillary supporter because i think she is the smartest, best qualified and hardes working candidate running for the presidency. and i am not a "white american who didn't complete college". i completed 7 years of college and thinks for herself. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:44:28
the only dems that have won since jfk are carter and clinton, and neither of them are from the liberal wing of the dem party. so go ahead therealmacdaddy and respond to my comments by insulting me, i'll just continue to assume that others want facts rather than insults.
i'm a hillary supporter because i think she is the smartest, best qualified and hardes working candidate running for the presidency. and i am not a "white american who didn't complete college". i completed 7 years of college and thinks for herself. posted 05/12/2008 at 13:44:28
I know that Obama supporters and the MSM are in ecstasy over their supposed wrapup of the dem nomination. But please just consider some facts:
"No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points." posted 05/12/2008 at 09:31:43
"No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points." posted 05/12/2008 at 09:31:43
The Dem party owes its majority in the House to Emmanuel's "pragmatic" thinking. He knows how to win. The Kennedy branch of the party hasn't been able to win a presidential campaign since JKF in 1960 and that was when Joe Kennedy was alive and able to "win" the presidency for John. And by the way, WVA went for JFK and for Bill Clinton.
What's amazing is the manner in which Obama and his supporters are looking at the race. Obama has a razor thin lead and if you consider FL and MI (even if not count their delegates), Hillary is ahead. So, I'm not sure where their immense sense of having trounced Hillary comes from. Ted Kennedy, with much more lop-sided numbers against him in 1980 (he only had about 35% of the pop vote againt Jimmy Carter) took his campaign to the nominating floor.
There were many reports that Ted came out for Obama because he was miffed at Hillary for giving credit to LBJ (rather than JFK) for passage of the CIvil Rights Act. Perhaps that explains his antagonism for Hillary. He is afraid the Clintons will replace the Kennedys as the big name in Dem politics. Although in reality, that took place long ago. The only successful Kennedy in politics is Teddy. posted 05/12/2008 at 09:25:41
What's amazing is the manner in which Obama and his supporters are looking at the race. Obama has a razor thin lead and if you consider FL and MI (even if not count their delegates), Hillary is ahead. So, I'm not sure where their immense sense of having trounced Hillary comes from. Ted Kennedy, with much more lop-sided numbers against him in 1980 (he only had about 35% of the pop vote againt Jimmy Carter) took his campaign to the nominating floor.
There were many reports that Ted came out for Obama because he was miffed at Hillary for giving credit to LBJ (rather than JFK) for passage of the CIvil Rights Act. Perhaps that explains his antagonism for Hillary. He is afraid the Clintons will replace the Kennedys as the big name in Dem politics. Although in reality, that took place long ago. The only successful Kennedy in politics is Teddy. posted 05/12/2008 at 09:25:41
Novak: Michelle Obama Nixed Hillary As VP
Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame are Clinton supporters. They have taped an ad supporting her that is running in Oregon. Plame says that Hillary was one of the few people who supported them when they were being trashed by Novak and the media. posted 05/12/2008 at 11:14:53
Rasmussen To Stop Polling Clinton Questions
bill is right. look at the polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/ posted 05/10/2008 at 19:19:15
that's the same way he's continued to speak to the crowds, who continue to come out for him. but the media's love affair with obama or their personal hatred of bill and obama's supporters have trashed bill mercilessly for short term gains.
and i'm glad you said that about bill campaigning for kerry because kerry's folks have said bill didn't go out and campaign for kerry. posted 05/10/2008 at 19:16:52
and i'm glad you said that about bill campaigning for kerry because kerry's folks have said bill didn't go out and campaign for kerry. posted 05/10/2008 at 19:16:52
Happy Mother's Day to one and all.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/mothersday/?sc=1847&utm_source=1847&utm_medium=e posted 05/10/2008 at 12:29:26
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/mothersday/?sc=1847&utm_source=1847&utm_medium=e posted 05/10/2008 at 12:29:26
has anyone seen anything on this?
HUGE NC Vote MisCount Favored Obama
by internetstar, Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:39:47 PM EST
In at least one county, ballots were counted twice for Obama.
They gave him 15,000 extra votes.
"MECKLENBURG & WAKE COUNTIES -- Vote tallies are changing in the state's two largest counties, after certain ballots were counted twice in Mecklenburg and Wake counties.
The mistake didn't change the outcome of any elections, but it is a cause for concern to election directors.
For example, when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama declared victory Tuesday night in North Carolina's primary, he was given approximately 15,000 votes more than he should have been.
That's 1 percent of all ballots cast.
In Wake County, early and absentee ballots were counted as part of the individual voters precincts and again as a whole.
"So in essence, those voters were recorded double," said Cherie Poucher of the Wake Co. Board of Elections. It was around 37,000 votes.
In Mecklenburg County, only absentee ballots - 2,400 in all - were doubled. "It doesn't change any of the results," said Michael Dickerson of the Mecklenburg Co. Board of Elections. "All the winners are still the winners." posted 05/10/2008 at 12:05:57
HUGE NC Vote MisCount Favored Obama
by internetstar, Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:39:47 PM EST
In at least one county, ballots were counted twice for Obama.
They gave him 15,000 extra votes.
"MECKLENBURG & WAKE COUNTIES -- Vote tallies are changing in the state's two largest counties, after certain ballots were counted twice in Mecklenburg and Wake counties.
The mistake didn't change the outcome of any elections, but it is a cause for concern to election directors.
For example, when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama declared victory Tuesday night in North Carolina's primary, he was given approximately 15,000 votes more than he should have been.
That's 1 percent of all ballots cast.
In Wake County, early and absentee ballots were counted as part of the individual voters precincts and again as a whole.
"So in essence, those voters were recorded double," said Cherie Poucher of the Wake Co. Board of Elections. It was around 37,000 votes.
In Mecklenburg County, only absentee ballots - 2,400 in all - were doubled. "It doesn't change any of the results," said Michael Dickerson of the Mecklenburg Co. Board of Elections. "All the winners are still the winners." posted 05/10/2008 at 12:05:57
what a novel idea, the nomination process isn't over until all the voters have spoken. it's only the exception, when one person has reached the magic number. he hasn't. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:47:24
you mean before the millions of people voted in three of the largest states in the country -- OH, PA and TX -- and voted for Hillary.
You can rightfully state that he has more delegates but please don't close your eyes to the facts. Obama still has been unable to persuade large numbers of DEM voters, who make up the majority in a number of states that he needs to win in order to win the presidency.
You can sit here and say all the nasty stuff you want about Hillary (and then claim that Obama will unite us all and bring a new kind of politics to America) but until he wins us over, he cannot win the election.
Oh yeah, I went to college and am still supporting Hillary. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:46:10
You can rightfully state that he has more delegates but please don't close your eyes to the facts. Obama still has been unable to persuade large numbers of DEM voters, who make up the majority in a number of states that he needs to win in order to win the presidency.
You can sit here and say all the nasty stuff you want about Hillary (and then claim that Obama will unite us all and bring a new kind of politics to America) but until he wins us over, he cannot win the election.
Oh yeah, I went to college and am still supporting Hillary. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:46:10
you mean like they counted her out before NH and were crowning Obama. Or like they were asking her to bow out before she beat him in OH, TX and RI. the only reason they wanted her out is so that it wouldn't become clear that she would beat him in those states.
look through the history books and tell me the last time the Dem nominee won the DEM nomination without winning CA, NY, OH, PA, MICHIGAN, FL, NJ, MA, TX, -- those are the largest electoral college states, I believe. I think NC is the only in the top 10 that went his way. And don't forget NV, NH, AZ, NM, ARKANSAS, TN, INDIANA.
the Nov election has the potential of being another DEM loss especially when Obama starts attacking McCain. He won't have hillary and bill clinton to kick around anymore. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:41:32
look through the history books and tell me the last time the Dem nominee won the DEM nomination without winning CA, NY, OH, PA, MICHIGAN, FL, NJ, MA, TX, -- those are the largest electoral college states, I believe. I think NC is the only in the top 10 that went his way. And don't forget NV, NH, AZ, NM, ARKANSAS, TN, INDIANA.
the Nov election has the potential of being another DEM loss especially when Obama starts attacking McCain. He won't have hillary and bill clinton to kick around anymore. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:41:32
what about florida, where the only one who campaigned in vioation of party rules was obama -- who spent $3 million running ads in FL for the 1-1/2 weeks preceding the primary -- claiming that he had bought a national ad buy and couldn't take FL out of the ads. ask him when he has bought another national ad buy. answer, never again.
the turnout in the FL Dem primary was the largest in history.
if you all who support Obama think you can win the presidency without Hillary supporters, you are dreaming. so continue trashing her at your peril. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:34:12
the turnout in the FL Dem primary was the largest in history.
if you all who support Obama think you can win the presidency without Hillary supporters, you are dreaming. so continue trashing her at your peril. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:34:12
look at all the latest polls. not only is hillary ahead of obama in the national polls but she polls better than obama when matched against mccain. t
he powers that be rammed W down our throats in 2000, when they mercilessly ripped Gore appart and didn't accurately report what was going on in FL. now they are doing it again.
are they also going to cancel the remaining primaries or not report when hillary trounces obama in the next two. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:30:11
he powers that be rammed W down our throats in 2000, when they mercilessly ripped Gore appart and didn't accurately report what was going on in FL. now they are doing it again.
are they also going to cancel the remaining primaries or not report when hillary trounces obama in the next two. posted 05/10/2008 at 11:30:11
West Virginia Uphill Battle For Obama
why, because these people are citizens of this country, who pay taxes, fight in our wars, and have a right to vote just as much as any other group of people. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:08:37
how many such states can obama lose and still win the presidency? which states does he win in Nov to get the nomination? and don't accuse these voters of being racists. many of these voters also didn't vote for kerry, who is clearly white. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:07:26
Rev. Sharpton: Clinton Doesn't Know The Show Is Over
you want to believe he's been decent and honorable. but his campaign has been very, very nasty toward her. attacking her personally and implying that both hillary and bill are racists -- starting with the claims that hillary's statements that LBJ worked with MLK to pass the civil rights act were racists. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:23:03
Of course she gives a damn about the electorate. many of us are still supporting her. she just won Indiana, in Obama's back yard and is set to win WVA and KY. i know you all forget but it was Obama who said that Indiana would the tie-breaker. So, he lost the tie-breaker.
Obama may have won NC by a large margin, but his winning margin across the nation is not a landslide. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:19:50
Obama may have won NC by a large margin, but his winning margin across the nation is not a landslide. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:19:50
Even in NC, where Obama won by a large margin, there are districts that went for Hillary by even larger margins. For example, in Ashe County, NC, the voters went for Hillary by a margy of 75% to 22% for Obama. Avery County , NC, the voters went for Hillary 62% to 36% for Obama. That's the story in many districts in all states, even in the states won by Obama.
You have to assume that a superdelegate, who is an elected official from such a district is not really anxious to come out for Obama. For such superdelegates, the will of their constituents is not Obama but Hillary. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:02:15
You have to assume that a superdelegate, who is an elected official from such a district is not really anxious to come out for Obama. For such superdelegates, the will of their constituents is not Obama but Hillary. posted 05/09/2008 at 11:02:15
There are superdelegates, who are elected officials from districts that went for 70% (Hillary) to 30% (for Obama) as many districts in NC, Indiana, OH, PA and even in VA, where Obama won.
For those delegates, the "will of the people" whom they represent is Hillary not Obama. I'm sure those delegates are not very anxious to cross their constituents. posted 05/09/2008 at 10:56:06
For those delegates, the "will of the people" whom they represent is Hillary not Obama. I'm sure those delegates are not very anxious to cross their constituents. posted 05/09/2008 at 10:56:06
Analysis: Democrats quietly send word to Clinton it's over
your views on this is not unlike those who still think that iraq was responsible for 9/11. you believe this on blind faith regardless of the facts.
here is the story with relevant links: http://www.slate.com/id/2185753/entry/0/
here's a link to the canadian memo that states: that Obama's senior ecnomic advisor Goolsbee stated "He was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy."
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Canwest%20News_1.pdf posted 05/09/2008 at 09:41:13
here is the story with relevant links: http://www.slate.com/id/2185753/entry/0/
here's a link to the canadian memo that states: that Obama's senior ecnomic advisor Goolsbee stated "He was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy."
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Canwest%20News_1.pdf posted 05/09/2008 at 09:41:13
Rush Limbaugh Now "Backs" Obama
I supported Kerry because I thought he was an intelligent man, whose policies were much better than Bush's. But what's amazing is how irrelevant and irrational John Kerry has become in his support of Obama and in his attempt to compensate for what he failed to do in 2004 when he didn't fight back.
Where is Kerry's evidence?
Rush Limbaugh wasn't able to get his candidate nominated or stop the nomination of McCain, whom he hated. So why does anyone think that he has the power to effect the Dem election.
When republicans vote for Obama, his supporters claim that it's because he can unite the party. When republican vote for Hillary, Obama's supporters claim that it's because Rush told them to.
Frankly it's more likely that disaffected republicans would support Hillary, whose policy positions in many areas are less liberal than Obama's. posted 05/09/2008 at 09:27:20
Where is Kerry's evidence?
Rush Limbaugh wasn't able to get his candidate nominated or stop the nomination of McCain, whom he hated. So why does anyone think that he has the power to effect the Dem election.
When republicans vote for Obama, his supporters claim that it's because he can unite the party. When republican vote for Hillary, Obama's supporters claim that it's because Rush told them to.
Frankly it's more likely that disaffected republicans would support Hillary, whose policy positions in many areas are less liberal than Obama's. posted 05/09/2008 at 09:27:20
Big Rewards Await Clinton If She Ends Campaign Now
Gore didn't want Bill to campaign for him. Only in the land of make believe is the Clinton Legacy tarnished. You can't take away the real accomplishments of his presidency, which is why Obama cannot win the votes of those who remember. posted 05/08/2008 at 07:43:33
You can blind yourself to the truth, but only half the Dem party is enamored of Obama. He won NC overwhelmingly but he lost Indiana, which Obama himself said would be the "tie-breaker" in his own backyard. He will lose KY and WVA soundly. As one honest commentator let slip, it's a strange way to win the nomination by losing in your own backyard.
I am not an Obama supporter not because I find his soaring oratory tiring and empty. In my opinion, he lacks the experience necessary to run this country. He is the one who has run a negative campaign directed at Hillary personally not at her policies.
Continue to dump on Hillary at your peril. You cannot win the presidency without those of us who continue to support her. posted 05/08/2008 at 07:41:30
I am not an Obama supporter not because I find his soaring oratory tiring and empty. In my opinion, he lacks the experience necessary to run this country. He is the one who has run a negative campaign directed at Hillary personally not at her policies.
Continue to dump on Hillary at your peril. You cannot win the presidency without those of us who continue to support her. posted 05/08/2008 at 07:41:30
Top Democrats Tell Clinton The Race Is Over
can one of you tell me how barack wins the presidency? which states does he carry to get an electoral college victory? posted 05/08/2008 at 08:35:07
Obama To Woo Uncommitted Superdelegates In D.C.
can someone who supports obama tell me how he wins the presidency? which states does he carry to get to an electoral college majority? posted 05/08/2008 at 08:34:09
Pandering vs. Presidential
affirming their humanity. i guess you never saw the ads that called her a liar; or the suggestions that both clintons were racists and playing the race card, when in fact it went the other way; or the surrogate who likened bill clinton to maccarthy, while obama stood there listening to him; or the one who brought up the blue dress.
it must be nice to be able to look at things and ignore the facts.
hillary went at his policies. he went at her. posted 05/08/2008 at 07:48:05
it must be nice to be able to look at things and ignore the facts.
hillary went at his policies. he went at her. posted 05/08/2008 at 07:48:05
David Shuster Labors To Trump Up A Clinton Gaffe
if she is sooo bad, why can't obama beat her in his backyard? posted 05/07/2008 at 17:49:43
North Carolina, Indiana Primaries: Full Results, Exit Polls
has anyone seen any reports on this?
HUGE NC Vote MisCount Favored Obama
by internetstar, Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:39:47 PM EST
In at least one county, ballots were counted twice for Obama.
They gave him 15,000 extra votes.
"MECKLENBURG & WAKE COUNTIES -- Vote tallies are changing in the state's two largest counties, after certain ballots were counted twice in Mecklenburg and Wake counties.
The mistake didn't change the outcome of any elections, but it is a cause for concern to election directors.
For example, when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama declared victory Tuesday night in North Carolina's primary, he was given approximately 15,000 votes more than he should have been.
That's 1 percent of all ballots cast.
In Wake County, early and absentee ballots were counted as part of the individual voters precincts and again as a whole.
"So in essence, those voters were recorded double," said Cherie Poucher of the Wake Co. Board of Elections. It was around 37,000 votes.
In Mecklenburg County, only absentee ballots - 2,400 in all - were doubled. "It doesn't change any of the results," said Michael Dickerson of the Mecklenburg Co. Board of Elections. "All the winners are still the winners." posted 05/10/2008 at 12:08:40
HUGE NC Vote MisCount Favored Obama
by internetstar, Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:39:47 PM EST
In at least one county, ballots were counted twice for Obama.
They gave him 15,000 extra votes.
"MECKLENBURG & WAKE COUNTIES -- Vote tallies are changing in the state's two largest counties, after certain ballots were counted twice in Mecklenburg and Wake counties.
The mistake didn't change the outcome of any elections, but it is a cause for concern to election directors.
For example, when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama declared victory Tuesday night in North Carolina's primary, he was given approximately 15,000 votes more than he should have been.
That's 1 percent of all ballots cast.
In Wake County, early and absentee ballots were counted as part of the individual voters precincts and again as a whole.
"So in essence, those voters were recorded double," said Cherie Poucher of the Wake Co. Board of Elections. It was around 37,000 votes.
In Mecklenburg County, only absentee ballots - 2,400 in all - were doubled. "It doesn't change any of the results," said Michael Dickerson of the Mecklenburg Co. Board of Elections. "All the winners are still the winners." posted 05/10/2008 at 12:08:40
Olbermann Slams Clinton Camp: Timeline Of Moving Goalposts
let me put it this way -- do you honestly believe that MI and FL would vote for Obama if there were a primary? No.
And why did the DNC break its own rules and take all the delegates from FL and MI instead of only taking 1/2 the delegates as the rules say? posted 05/08/2008 at 07:17:55
And why did the DNC break its own rules and take all the delegates from FL and MI instead of only taking 1/2 the delegates as the rules say? posted 05/08/2008 at 07:17:55
the media hasn't given her opportunities for comebacks. we the people who have voted for her and support her have given her chances. the media has been trying to dance on her grave since she lost iowa.
olberman is tiresome and dishonest. he loves to pick and choose his "facts." if he something can be said in three sentences, he takes 70 pages to say it. i've stopped watching msnbc because of him.
hillary won the "tie-breaker." but the media again wants to crown obama. just like they crowned bush in his runs against gore and kerry.
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. -- On the second day of his Indiana bus tour, Obama said the state could be a potential "tiebreaker" in the lengthy nomination process.
"I think Indiana is very important," Obama said. "We've got three contests coming up in pretty big states -- Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana. They all have significant numbers of delegates, and they are states where Sen. Clinton and I are actively campaigning."
"You know, Sen. Clinton is more favored in Pennsylvania," he added, "and I'm right now a little more favored in North Carolina, so Indiana right now may end up being the tiebreaker. So we want to work very hard in Indiana. While Sen. Clinton has some advantages here, I benefit coming from an adjoining state."
from obama: " http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/11/878455.aspx posted 05/08/2008 at 07:15:22
olberman is tiresome and dishonest. he loves to pick and choose his "facts." if he something can be said in three sentences, he takes 70 pages to say it. i've stopped watching msnbc because of him.
hillary won the "tie-breaker." but the media again wants to crown obama. just like they crowned bush in his runs against gore and kerry.
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. -- On the second day of his Indiana bus tour, Obama said the state could be a potential "tiebreaker" in the lengthy nomination process.
"I think Indiana is very important," Obama said. "We've got three contests coming up in pretty big states -- Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana. They all have significant numbers of delegates, and they are states where Sen. Clinton and I are actively campaigning."
"You know, Sen. Clinton is more favored in Pennsylvania," he added, "and I'm right now a little more favored in North Carolina, so Indiana right now may end up being the tiebreaker. So we want to work very hard in Indiana. While Sen. Clinton has some advantages here, I benefit coming from an adjoining state."
from obama: " http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/11/878455.aspx posted 05/08/2008 at 07:15:22
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The turnout in both FL and MI was the biggest ever for a primary.
And if it's so important that Obama have an opportunity to meet the voters, why did he voluntarirly stay out of W VA?
it is a shameful spectacle after the debacle in FL in Nov 2000 for Dems not to count the votes of FL dems. posted 05/16/2008 at 20:49:52