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Clinton: I "Raised A Big Yellow Caution Flag" On Nafta
huffhuff,
Were you speaking literally, or metaphysicaly??? ;>) posted 04/02/2008 at 09:12:27
Were you speaking literally, or metaphysicaly??? ;>) posted 04/02/2008 at 09:12:27
OMG! THAT accounts for the infamous yellow pants suit! Now, let's see, was that polyester or rayon or sailcloth? It wears so well, it must not be biodegradable... posted 04/01/2008 at 22:26:44
Vanity Fair: 3 a.m. Phone Calls: The White House Transcripts
We looked in vain for a Bill Maher or Margaret Cho byline on this...surely it's a joke.
One wonders whether the donuts have run out along with the $$$ at the Billary Campaign HQ.
Another red phone ad? For real? From a campaign attempting to influence the vote in her favor?
Back to the drawing board, Hill. posted 04/02/2008 at 16:24:18
One wonders whether the donuts have run out along with the $$$ at the Billary Campaign HQ.
Another red phone ad? For real? From a campaign attempting to influence the vote in her favor?
Back to the drawing board, Hill. posted 04/02/2008 at 16:24:18
Not that clever; leave the humor to Maher. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:23:08
Obama Casts Race Between Him, McCain
alwayslearning --
Maybe McCain's got to have somebody like Fightin' Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear to make sure he gets his words out in the right order. That is, McCain can no more engage in "straight talk" than Robin Williams on valium; and teleprompters don't insure good presidential policy.
Your other listed attributes in reality describe Billary; guess "you misspoke..." posted 04/02/2008 at 08:41:30
Maybe McCain's got to have somebody like Fightin' Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear to make sure he gets his words out in the right order. That is, McCain can no more engage in "straight talk" than Robin Williams on valium; and teleprompters don't insure good presidential policy.
Your other listed attributes in reality describe Billary; guess "you misspoke..." posted 04/02/2008 at 08:41:30
YeWe --
One startling sentence in your rather skewed analysis jumps out, "Democrats are guilty of picking wrong horse...".
Guess what? In 2008, Hillary Clinton is the wrong horse. The vision of Hill racing across the tarmac dodging sniper fire (in her dreams) and the spectre of Impeachment and bimbo watches (in reality) will trump any combination of numbers you and the GOP throw out.
No one, unless they are slaves to some misguided loyalty, deserves a another blatant liar in the White House. posted 04/02/2008 at 08:34:19
One startling sentence in your rather skewed analysis jumps out, "Democrats are guilty of picking wrong horse...".
Guess what? In 2008, Hillary Clinton is the wrong horse. The vision of Hill racing across the tarmac dodging sniper fire (in her dreams) and the spectre of Impeachment and bimbo watches (in reality) will trump any combination of numbers you and the GOP throw out.
No one, unless they are slaves to some misguided loyalty, deserves a another blatant liar in the White House. posted 04/02/2008 at 08:34:19
Hume, ah do believe the wheels have fallen off Superbus... posted 04/01/2008 at 23:01:02
nochnoi,
Well she actually FELL down, while running from sniper bullets on the tarmac in Bosnia. (Or was pushed.) It seems there was an issue of sleep deprivation or perhaps just terminal prevarication in its last stages...at any rate you might have missed that episode in The Continuing Saga of OC Lies, as told to Penn, Ickes and the American public. But she ain't goin' anywhere, except the steps of the Philly Art Gallery in her boxing shorts; she's Rocky, this week. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:58:26
Well she actually FELL down, while running from sniper bullets on the tarmac in Bosnia. (Or was pushed.) It seems there was an issue of sleep deprivation or perhaps just terminal prevarication in its last stages...at any rate you might have missed that episode in The Continuing Saga of OC Lies, as told to Penn, Ickes and the American public. But she ain't goin' anywhere, except the steps of the Philly Art Gallery in her boxing shorts; she's Rocky, this week. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:58:26
midwestvoter -- Brilliant! Thank you, and will do just as you suggest.
What a boon to understanding and unity. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:48:20
What a boon to understanding and unity. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:48:20
BG&E -- must be something about April 1 that gets these wingers cranked; just read this whole thread and it looks like lotsa people missed their naps today. Or, they were on the Rush/Coulter sites too long... posted 04/01/2008 at 22:42:49
Elizabeth Edwards Returns McCain's Fire, Demands 'Straight Talk'
Jason, thank you for bringing Elizabeth Edwards' analysis to our attention. Ms Edwards' remarks, in keeping with her normal way of speaking, are clear and intelligent. She was a brilliant supporter of her spouse during his campaign.
It's not easy to phrase this comment sensitively -- but it's important to say it: Elizabeth Edwards is the very model of an educated, competent, articulate woman; she is, in fact, the kind of woman who would be an outstanding Democratic nominee for the presidency of the United States.
We can hope that she will have some role, barring complications from her health, in the next administration; what an asset she would be. posted 04/01/2008 at 21:33:42
It's not easy to phrase this comment sensitively -- but it's important to say it: Elizabeth Edwards is the very model of an educated, competent, articulate woman; she is, in fact, the kind of woman who would be an outstanding Democratic nominee for the presidency of the United States.
We can hope that she will have some role, barring complications from her health, in the next administration; what an asset she would be. posted 04/01/2008 at 21:33:42
Oliver Stone's Bush Movie Depicts Daddy Issues, War Lust And Hard-Partying Youth
SCG -- I'm with you and Mari. Two hours and ten bucks to see a dysfunctional family starring a warmongering son who has ripped our CONSTITUTION?
Nahhhh; don't think it's worth a red cent.; especially when you are forced to see these ding-dongs for free on a daily basis. Well, it's not really free. They've cost us a heck of a lot more than they could ever repay or that we can ever pay for.
S'cuse me, think I'll find the loo... posted 04/02/2008 at 19:35:22
Nahhhh; don't think it's worth a red cent.; especially when you are forced to see these ding-dongs for free on a daily basis. Well, it's not really free. They've cost us a heck of a lot more than they could ever repay or that we can ever pay for.
S'cuse me, think I'll find the loo... posted 04/02/2008 at 19:35:22
Top Clinton Aide: Wright Is Key Issue In My Talks With Superdels
jus200008 -- Your last sentence says it all. Thanks. posted 04/02/2008 at 08:24:31
"The party's a lot sturdier than these hand wringers in Washington would have you believe."
Well, thanks Mr. Ickes, for your consideration of Democratic voters throughout the country who are agonizing over your candidate's lies and your campaign's slash and burn "kitchen sink" strategy. You -- and Billary -- may have little regard for the Democratic Party and those who pay your salaries; but plenty of us outside the Beltway are livid that you trash us and trash the party. We sincerely hope and pray that someone, somewhere will send you this word from the real world.
Feeding the obsession of the Clintons has become an impossible effort without your destroying the ideals and the hopes of all voters; it's Hillary or nothing, and you are infinitely worse than any Swiftboaters could ever be.
We, the great mass of Democratic voters, who live in Davenport and Richmond and Bangor and Mobile, can only hope that this campaign is your last hurrah. Mr. Ickes, you and your candidate and her spouse have exceeded all imaginings with your nasty, detrimental campaign. We hope and pray that someone, somewhere will get the word to you. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:15:41
Well, thanks Mr. Ickes, for your consideration of Democratic voters throughout the country who are agonizing over your candidate's lies and your campaign's slash and burn "kitchen sink" strategy. You -- and Billary -- may have little regard for the Democratic Party and those who pay your salaries; but plenty of us outside the Beltway are livid that you trash us and trash the party. We sincerely hope and pray that someone, somewhere will send you this word from the real world.
Feeding the obsession of the Clintons has become an impossible effort without your destroying the ideals and the hopes of all voters; it's Hillary or nothing, and you are infinitely worse than any Swiftboaters could ever be.
We, the great mass of Democratic voters, who live in Davenport and Richmond and Bangor and Mobile, can only hope that this campaign is your last hurrah. Mr. Ickes, you and your candidate and her spouse have exceeded all imaginings with your nasty, detrimental campaign. We hope and pray that someone, somewhere will get the word to you. posted 04/01/2008 at 22:15:41
Rep Emanuel Cleaver, Clinton-Supporter, On Obama: "I Will Be Stunned If He's Not The Next President"
Tony, sounds like the Arkansas Project Revival; maybe it's the PA $$$? Mark Penn will fix it. posted 04/01/2008 at 15:52:31
Hillary Clinton Challenges Obama To Bowl Off
iP, can you see her giving up $$$ to any cause except her own? Not likely. posted 04/01/2008 at 16:00:59
Hey, here's an idea! How about Hillary makes her IRS records public! And then she could take questions about the sources of their $$$! Wouldn't that be a hoot? posted 04/01/2008 at 15:59:49
IRIE -- you have just asked the most significant question of the last twelve months. Now if we could only get an answer from someone in a real position to know we might be able to predict our futures. posted 04/01/2008 at 15:21:08
Another little not-so-subtle nudge by ACA to send those nickels and dimes to Hillary; she of the tanked campaign who had to use 5mil of her "own" $$$. Now if we could just get a nudge for the IRS returns to be made public, we might see WHY she's broke! But, keep on begging, maybe you'll get lucky... posted 04/01/2008 at 15:02:57
Esprit, beautiful!
But there are really nice women who bowl who maybe aren't congenital prevaricators. Of course they may not have been subjected to sniper fire and stale donuts; and where are the darn IRS records???? posted 04/01/2008 at 14:25:56
But there are really nice women who bowl who maybe aren't congenital prevaricators. Of course they may not have been subjected to sniper fire and stale donuts; and where are the darn IRS records???? posted 04/01/2008 at 14:25:56
Obama Gets "Very Flirtatious" At Campaign Stop
Plowboy, wouldn't that be a pleasant change! It's amazing what two terms of terminal cynicism does to a citizen; after Bush, Cheney, Rummy -- just to be able to respect and admire, as opposed to being sickened and suppressed. And were the nominee to be Clinton we'd be worried every minute about which other shoe was ready to drop. posted 04/01/2008 at 14:54:12
Clinton Rationale for Electability Doesn't Hold Water: History Proves the Ability to Win a State Primary Is Unrelated to General Election Success
jade -- well at least she wasn't rattling the tin cup for Hill on this one. There's that usual and customary "now I'll send Billary some $$$ for a love offering." Maybe she got a preview of the IRS returns and figured she could pick up the slack. Or maybe the hourly wages for trolls have increased. posted 04/01/2008 at 18:39:16
Bill Clinton Fires Back At Heckler: "You Want To Give The Speech?"
Blue, Wrong.
The personal lives of elected officials are very much the business of the public. We pay their salaries. We are in effect their bosses. It's when we decline to administrate what we pay for that we get into dictatorships and corrupt pols.
If you don't think that personal lives of men and women who are at the public trough are not your responsibility, perhaps you should might prefer to simply enjoy movies about politics and continue your fantasy.
And yes, there is shame with "we people" -- we are sick of lies, of corruption, of manipulation of the public trust. And the Clintons are prime examples of why we are shamed; their obsession and personal greed, their pursuit of power, their utter arrogance is cause for shame. posted 04/01/2008 at 18:50:58
The personal lives of elected officials are very much the business of the public. We pay their salaries. We are in effect their bosses. It's when we decline to administrate what we pay for that we get into dictatorships and corrupt pols.
If you don't think that personal lives of men and women who are at the public trough are not your responsibility, perhaps you should might prefer to simply enjoy movies about politics and continue your fantasy.
And yes, there is shame with "we people" -- we are sick of lies, of corruption, of manipulation of the public trust. And the Clintons are prime examples of why we are shamed; their obsession and personal greed, their pursuit of power, their utter arrogance is cause for shame. posted 04/01/2008 at 18:50:58
AC, no one knows much about any pol. BUT, during the Arkansas days, there were bimbo watches and there were numerous episodes with the gov and his liaisons. Check it out. And no one wants a prez who engages in risky behavior, esp with a subordinate/intern. That's dumb. Those little events cost the US taxpayers a lot of revenue; they occupied a lot of time that could have been spent in more productive ways. Again, who cares about civilian consenting adults in private? No one; but the serial patterns of a man who disrespects his wife and daughter to indulge his whims might not be a man we want as 'first spouse.' Think about it some more. The history is there. If you think this might have been a liability then, what would it be like for the first female prez? posted 04/01/2008 at 17:41:43
So I_v, you liked the Bosnia sniper fire story? And, the I did not have sex with that woman? And, it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy? And, you're ready to play cozy with Richard Mellon Scaife now? Hmmmm. Some of us think lies aren't the best way to 'govern.' That doesn't mean we are ill. Just sick of the Clinton approach to the truth. posted 04/01/2008 at 17:31:06
I_v, google it; it's there. That happened. posted 04/01/2008 at 17:26:07
Madash, maybe you should get out more. posted 04/01/2008 at 17:25:12
pinkyboo -- 'Hysteria over sex' and sexual harassment of an intern who is your subordinate are two different animals. Check it out with your HR person at work, if you are lucky enough to have a job.
We the taxpayers paid one heck of lot of money for those adventures by the prez, who of course lied, and lied, and lied.
And, again, were two hot consenting adults out behind the barn, say in Arkansas, few people would give a hoot. Risky behavior by ELECTED officials is the cause for criticism and concern. Check out Hill's daytimer during those years and think about what it would be like if she and Bill moved back to 1700 PA Ave. Plenty of voters say no thanks. posted 04/01/2008 at 17:24:03
We the taxpayers paid one heck of lot of money for those adventures by the prez, who of course lied, and lied, and lied.
And, again, were two hot consenting adults out behind the barn, say in Arkansas, few people would give a hoot. Risky behavior by ELECTED officials is the cause for criticism and concern. Check out Hill's daytimer during those years and think about what it would be like if she and Bill moved back to 1700 PA Ave. Plenty of voters say no thanks. posted 04/01/2008 at 17:24:03
goplayrabbit -- now THAT was painful! We were about to crack open the champagne!
April Fool's indeed.... posted 04/01/2008 at 17:14:41
April Fool's indeed.... posted 04/01/2008 at 17:14:41
Amen nicho; and wouldn't it be wonderful just ONCE to see W in a free-ranging discussion in the H of C??? If folks think that a baseball crowd with a few boos is bad, send him across the pond and let him address those gentlefolk. We could use a dose of that, instead of the simpering faux 'manners' that pass for ethics and productivity in the House and Senate. posted 04/01/2008 at 15:42:04
Billary may not be chronologically old, but they are old news, old hat, old policies and old networks of intimidation. People are really tired of Billary and tired of explaining their mistakes and lies. They, and we, need respite from their manipulation. posted 04/01/2008 at 15:34:59
alltwisty, would that be cardiac arrest? posted 04/01/2008 at 15:31:26
Psssttt...Old lies, new lies and never-ending lies. Didn't work then, does not work now. For either of them. posted 04/01/2008 at 15:29:40
Dee321 -- Can you spell "IMPEACHMENT" ? Can you hold your head down and run through sniper fire in Bosnia, in your dreams? If you can, then you can apply some analysis to your silly statement and perhaps understand just who does have "a clue." posted 04/01/2008 at 15:26:45
H&C, will do; just as soon as I paint all the tars white around my place...we got cumpney commin...I b'lieve hits the former prez and his wife! posted 04/01/2008 at 14:19:20
tomj, remember last week when Cowboy Bill urged people to 'saddle up' and argue? Said that's what America is all about? Do you suppose that some folks take him seriously? Hecklers aren't particularly polite, but, as long as they can get away with it, they will. And if a speaker gets testy or confrontational or ...lies to a crowd, you can count on a speaker's being heckled. And then, they get the sympathy vote of course. posted 04/01/2008 at 14:14:49
ballewb, he ain't gone no whur. He's still out thar speechifyin'. Turn on the tee vee. posted 04/01/2008 at 14:06:12
hopeandchange -- maybe ease up on the trailer park residents; a heck of a lot them (thanks to Bush/Brownie) are still struggling in New Orleans. Lotsa trashy folks live in places like Georgetown, Westchester and ...Chappaqua. I know you know that, but, when you can only afford a trailer, it's not pleasant to be associated with the Clintons. posted 04/01/2008 at 14:03:38
Nice that the former president can handle hecklers. Also nice that he can mend fences with Richard Mellon Scaife. Why there's just no end to the talents of a man who is not a candidate in the race for the Democratic nominee for president! How lucky the party is to have such a unifier on board with the first 'serious' female candidate! posted 04/01/2008 at 13:59:35
norkay, could you please rant a bit louder, it's hard to hear you...it seems that you mention the former president; but he's not running, is he? posted 04/01/2008 at 13:56:28
Clinton Compares Herself To Rocky Balboa: We "Have A Lot In Common"
EdV, I like his pants suits better. posted 04/01/2008 at 14:35:36
kay,
You are right; and besides the dead giveaway, the Clinton "battles" have been consequences that result from their poor choices.
It's not like the world took up arms against Bill for being falsely accused of bank robbery or car theft. Bill's accusers (among them their new best bud Scaife) took up arms because they were seeing Bill as a moral misfit, with Hillary's tolerance.
Rightly or wrongly, the Democratic Party went to bat for this ungrateful twosome. Their reputation as "fighters" was largely earned because of charges from folks like Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky; and the many 'bimbo sightings' that are associated with the former president. These battles were in reality just struggles to get PR out to combat accusations from Bill's hook-ups.
So, this kind of marital conflict justifies her as Rocky? Well, OK, if you live in the movies and ARE NOT running for president... posted 04/01/2008 at 13:49:04
You are right; and besides the dead giveaway, the Clinton "battles" have been consequences that result from their poor choices.
It's not like the world took up arms against Bill for being falsely accused of bank robbery or car theft. Bill's accusers (among them their new best bud Scaife) took up arms because they were seeing Bill as a moral misfit, with Hillary's tolerance.
Rightly or wrongly, the Democratic Party went to bat for this ungrateful twosome. Their reputation as "fighters" was largely earned because of charges from folks like Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky; and the many 'bimbo sightings' that are associated with the former president. These battles were in reality just struggles to get PR out to combat accusations from Bill's hook-ups.
So, this kind of marital conflict justifies her as Rocky? Well, OK, if you live in the movies and ARE NOT running for president... posted 04/01/2008 at 13:49:04
son,
Now THAT'S funny! posted 04/01/2008 at 12:11:51
Now THAT'S funny! posted 04/01/2008 at 12:11:51
Darkbane -- If the third person is used, it'll have to be third person plural 'cause of Bill...Or maybe just the "Royal We..." posted 04/01/2008 at 12:10:44
CindyKay, well we were thinking it was the boxer shorts.
And then there was that sniper fire in Bosnia and the resulting sleep deprivation... posted 04/01/2008 at 12:08:50
And then there was that sniper fire in Bosnia and the resulting sleep deprivation... posted 04/01/2008 at 12:08:50
Obama Fails To Assuage White Indiana Voters With Speech On Race
Hume and Night: Count me in. It is moronic to excerpt a few seconds of an orator/preacher and condemn both him and the candidate; especially when Wright was being passionate about our shoddy history. Cable news and the US public are on a downward spiral, and it is to be hoped that some education will combat that. It's worth the effort to keep trying to combat the slime and smear tactics. posted 04/01/2008 at 16:09:01
ColdSteel3, that was a terrific statement. Thank you. It is a real help when someone on the ground contradicts 'conventional wisdom.' posted 04/01/2008 at 16:04:29
Clinton Says Obama Wants to Stop Votes
JudgeCrater, yeah, he wishes... posted 04/01/2008 at 09:01:32
"As she spoke, her husband, former President Clinton, was in Oregon, lobbying uncommitted superdelegates." Anything, any "strategy" to win, by any means. She might be experiencing some cognitive deficits from the intense Bosnian sniper fire; what's his excuse? posted 04/01/2008 at 08:59:57
The Clinton Campaign Finds New Allies: Richard Mellon Scaife And Fox News
Plowboy, maybe Billary will sink in the mire of their own making.
To have supported this couple, back in the really nasty days when every other person was moaning about their lack of morality, and see them today, revealed in all their turn-coat obsession is disgusting. Times were economically better then than now, so we could always play the prosperity card in their defense.
Today we have the spectacle of the former president personally cozying up to Scaife last year -- obviously preparing for this campaign -- after Scaife and his Arkansas Project contributed to the Clintons' defamation. It is very hard to understand how Billary could suck it up and seek Scaife's favor.
So, Bill and Hillary's realtime fawning activity with Scaife, their once mortal enemy, may bring voters to a better understanding of the Clintons' obsession. However, blind loyalty isn't always amenable to reason and reality; ask Taylor. posted 04/01/2008 at 11:39:13
To have supported this couple, back in the really nasty days when every other person was moaning about their lack of morality, and see them today, revealed in all their turn-coat obsession is disgusting. Times were economically better then than now, so we could always play the prosperity card in their defense.
Today we have the spectacle of the former president personally cozying up to Scaife last year -- obviously preparing for this campaign -- after Scaife and his Arkansas Project contributed to the Clintons' defamation. It is very hard to understand how Billary could suck it up and seek Scaife's favor.
So, Bill and Hillary's realtime fawning activity with Scaife, their once mortal enemy, may bring voters to a better understanding of the Clintons' obsession. However, blind loyalty isn't always amenable to reason and reality; ask Taylor. posted 04/01/2008 at 11:39:13
Not Until the Fat Lady Sings
missjabez, may I echo your praise of Jon's post. He's got an exceptional insight into this horror of a campaign. Maybe we can be optimistic at this sad time, and believe that the lies and more lies and obsession of the Clintons will be completely revealed; and the public will, finally, reject the Clintons in favor of a solid candidate -- Barack Obama. posted 04/01/2008 at 08:11:02
Matthews Said Bush Showed "Guts" At Baseball Game
psfurlong356,
I'm with you; Mathews is getting to be a real loose cannon; and that's not a comment on whether he's "partisan" or not. And, it's not that he's such a talented anchor or newscaster or personality. Sometimes he literally seems 'unhinged.' But any kind of complimentary statement about the alleged bravery of a CinC who initiated this war is misplaced, and that's the most civil way I can put it, with any hope of being posted. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:13:34
I'm with you; Mathews is getting to be a real loose cannon; and that's not a comment on whether he's "partisan" or not. And, it's not that he's such a talented anchor or newscaster or personality. Sometimes he literally seems 'unhinged.' But any kind of complimentary statement about the alleged bravery of a CinC who initiated this war is misplaced, and that's the most civil way I can put it, with any hope of being posted. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:13:34
Lou Dobbs Almost Calls Condi A "Cotton Picker"
SyracuseHorn, Not.
I beg to differ about the connotation of the phrase. It's similar to the kind of language corruption and code words the Bushies use when their speech veers off into the fundamentalist and evangelical terminology. They know what they mean, and they know who laps it up. Men and women of Dobb's age understand exactly what they are saying; that's what they get paid to do and they do it; that is, keep these issues on the front burner by insults and innuendo.
Again, if you had seen pictures, read books, looked at the history of African slaves and 20th Century black people laboring in cotton fields you'd perhaps revise your understanding. Like the Confederate flag, like the sexist term "she asked for it" there are plenty of insults to go around. They need to cease. posted 04/01/2008 at 12:03:19
I beg to differ about the connotation of the phrase. It's similar to the kind of language corruption and code words the Bushies use when their speech veers off into the fundamentalist and evangelical terminology. They know what they mean, and they know who laps it up. Men and women of Dobb's age understand exactly what they are saying; that's what they get paid to do and they do it; that is, keep these issues on the front burner by insults and innuendo.
Again, if you had seen pictures, read books, looked at the history of African slaves and 20th Century black people laboring in cotton fields you'd perhaps revise your understanding. Like the Confederate flag, like the sexist term "she asked for it" there are plenty of insults to go around. They need to cease. posted 04/01/2008 at 12:03:19
mhoiles,
Please allow one more instructional comment before we let you stew in the juice of your own ignorance.
Africans were sold, brought to this country in chains, purchased and forced to work for white people -- and yes, they picked cotton.
That is such a significant point that it begs the question for you to suggest "lobbying for Mexicans."
It is of course a stupid tactic to try to change the subject/thread of this post and its comments. It doesn't always work. People with common sense understand the context of slavery and racism in our history. posted 04/01/2008 at 11:51:03
Please allow one more instructional comment before we let you stew in the juice of your own ignorance.
Africans were sold, brought to this country in chains, purchased and forced to work for white people -- and yes, they picked cotton.
That is such a significant point that it begs the question for you to suggest "lobbying for Mexicans."
It is of course a stupid tactic to try to change the subject/thread of this post and its comments. It doesn't always work. People with common sense understand the context of slavery and racism in our history. posted 04/01/2008 at 11:51:03
dadw5boys,
Cotton Picker = a child, woman or man, old or young, who goes into a cotton field before sunrise, who stays until sundown, and picks cotton out of sharp bolls until a sack is filled. The heat is devastating and the work is backbreaking.
If you don't know what this kind of labor involves, perhaps you should just run out to the nearest truck farm and pick tomatoes or peppers all day, in the heat of the summer, and drag your 5 boys with you. Your conscience might be elevated, although your muscles would scream. Cotton picking, before automation, was a bit more difficult than flipping burgers, especially when you were forced to do it by white people who paid you pennies for your 10 hours in the field. posted 04/01/2008 at 10:08:55
Cotton Picker = a child, woman or man, old or young, who goes into a cotton field before sunrise, who stays until sundown, and picks cotton out of sharp bolls until a sack is filled. The heat is devastating and the work is backbreaking.
If you don't know what this kind of labor involves, perhaps you should just run out to the nearest truck farm and pick tomatoes or peppers all day, in the heat of the summer, and drag your 5 boys with you. Your conscience might be elevated, although your muscles would scream. Cotton picking, before automation, was a bit more difficult than flipping burgers, especially when you were forced to do it by white people who paid you pennies for your 10 hours in the field. posted 04/01/2008 at 10:08:55
mhoiles, Wrong baby; you know not whereof you speak... posted 04/01/2008 at 10:02:17
PhDiva, keep saying this until this truth is absorbed. And, it's interesting that the Taylor Marsh's of the world, and those who follow her, haven't mentioned that this context IS about a woman of color. And, you are absolutely correct about the nasty, back-breaking labor that was performed primarily by black people -- well up through the 1940's and beyond. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:58:42
batspaul, you could not be more accurate. Thank you. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:53:56
clr2 -- if you must quote, get it right. Obama referred to his grandmother. Like many white people born around 1900 - 1920 or so, when racism was institutionalized and blatant, many "typical white people" did in fact cross the street to avoid black people.
And, black people never came to a white person's front door, they came to the back door. They rode in the back of the bus. They went to 'separate-but-equal schools.' Black people who went to primarily white churches, IF they were allowed in the church, sat in a balcony. Those are facts.
White people "typically" avoided interaction or thinking about WHY those divisions were in LEGALLY in place; and there were laws to insure they were obeyed. So, yes, typical white people behaved in a certain and accepted way in the first third of the 20th Century. You could read about it... posted 04/01/2008 at 09:51:43
And, black people never came to a white person's front door, they came to the back door. They rode in the back of the bus. They went to 'separate-but-equal schools.' Black people who went to primarily white churches, IF they were allowed in the church, sat in a balcony. Those are facts.
White people "typically" avoided interaction or thinking about WHY those divisions were in LEGALLY in place; and there were laws to insure they were obeyed. So, yes, typical white people behaved in a certain and accepted way in the first third of the 20th Century. You could read about it... posted 04/01/2008 at 09:51:43
mhoiles, it's pretty clear that you are not interested in consensus-building.
Maybe a reason that you "get the 'b' word thrown' at you is that you personally haven't made an attempt to clean up your own mouth.
Sometimes it takes one person to stop the condemnation and insults; when that one person changes verbal behavior, there's room for improvement. Just a thought. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:42:50
Maybe a reason that you "get the 'b' word thrown' at you is that you personally haven't made an attempt to clean up your own mouth.
Sometimes it takes one person to stop the condemnation and insults; when that one person changes verbal behavior, there's room for improvement. Just a thought. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:42:50
Sequoiabison, didn't Turner FIRE Dobbs a long time ago and then Dobbs caused so much ruckus Turner rehired him, and groomed him into the mouthy jerk we see now? Dobbs and Beck are the bait to tempt the hardnosed FOX viewers over to CNN (which is basically the same now). posted 04/01/2008 at 09:33:45
JUSTME, pretty accurate; except Archie Bunker was a role in a sitcom...methinks Dobbs is sincere in his bigotry and Dobbs' skewed "reporting" about the creeping tide of, let's see, it's usually brown people who are out to get us, right, according to Lou? posted 04/01/2008 at 09:29:29
Think about what you're saying; and then check out the statistics of WHO picked cotton, why they worked the cotton fields, and also check out what nasty and backbreaking work it was -- for little children and women as well as men. And yeah, white people picked, too; but that work was primarily done by black people old and young. Very similar to migrant worker conditions today.
And, just because it's a slang term, used 'widely' doesn't make it any more acceptable than the Confederate flag over state houses. Those days are gone, and just as one would no more say "Have a seat, BOY" to a black man, it might be helpful to self-censor as Dobbs did, before applying an expletive to anyone.
It's not about condemning people for their thoughts; it's about making an attempt to have language that isn't damning or insulting to other people. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:22:23
And, just because it's a slang term, used 'widely' doesn't make it any more acceptable than the Confederate flag over state houses. Those days are gone, and just as one would no more say "Have a seat, BOY" to a black man, it might be helpful to self-censor as Dobbs did, before applying an expletive to anyone.
It's not about condemning people for their thoughts; it's about making an attempt to have language that isn't damning or insulting to other people. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:22:23
mm29464 -- Good observations. And the flag-waving, faux patriotism of those who would probably profit from the continued inequality is disgusting. There are, in truth, plenty of people who haven't gotten beyond the Brown v Board of Edu; and they surely don't want that spotlight on our history, especially if that history is written/examined by someone other than a Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, James Dobson, Bill Bennett or one of Jesse Helms ilk. posted 04/01/2008 at 09:11:13
Obama's Alliance With McCain, And How It All Fell Apart
jsinclair -- Speaking of REAL alliances, how bout the Richard Mellon Scaife and Hillary Clinton cozy-up? The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has just gotten more vast, and one wonders whether now Hillary will be able to pay those campaign bills; Scaife is quoted as saying that he has re-examined Hill. Gee, how convenient; and in PA she got to speak alongside him sponsored by his newspaper...Hope the public in PA educate themselves. posted 03/31/2008 at 22:28:03
Two Senior Advisors: We'll Tell Hillary To Resign If She Loses Indiana
kevenseven, One wonders whether Cheney and Bush and McCain create fear in sarainitaly; or if the truth about Billary simply creates that paranoia. The Marsh (and, it IS a marsh) should offer more comfort, as you suggest. We'll see if this gets by the censor. Maybe if I used swear words it would; I notice that there's little problems with those. posted 03/31/2008 at 22:34:48
Architect Of Vast Right Wing Conspiracy "Reassesses" Hillary
The former president 'renewed' his contact with Scaife, for the potential benefit of his wife's campaign.
Check out the link:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/129530
Amazing, since Scaife spent so much $$$ on "the Arkansas Project" to tank Bill Clinton. And today, Hillary is being "re-assessed" by Scaife. Follow the money and find the corruption. posted 03/31/2008 at 23:11:18
Check out the link:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/129530
Amazing, since Scaife spent so much $$$ on "the Arkansas Project" to tank Bill Clinton. And today, Hillary is being "re-assessed" by Scaife. Follow the money and find the corruption. posted 03/31/2008 at 23:11:18
nazgul,
You hit the nail right squarely on the head. Those were tough years for Clinton supporters and for the Democratic party. Scaife's millions and his strategy helped the GOP put Bill's Impeachment in play. Now they are best buds. What a joke on all of us; what a sickening bunch of garbage. Can we say "the worm has turned?" She has turned; imagine Billary putting up with the Impeachment -- and its context -- and its reflection on their daughter (remember her? The now 28-yr old hedge fund mgr who is shilling for mom?). They are all for sale, and one wonders what the ultimate price is. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:26:05
You hit the nail right squarely on the head. Those were tough years for Clinton supporters and for the Democratic party. Scaife's millions and his strategy helped the GOP put Bill's Impeachment in play. Now they are best buds. What a joke on all of us; what a sickening bunch of garbage. Can we say "the worm has turned?" She has turned; imagine Billary putting up with the Impeachment -- and its context -- and its reflection on their daughter (remember her? The now 28-yr old hedge fund mgr who is shilling for mom?). They are all for sale, and one wonders what the ultimate price is. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:26:05
As Campaign Has Evolved, So Too Has Clinton's Tone
keven and chill -- anncoulterinCA has got to be a paid GOPer or just a common troll or maybe that's a pseudo for Taylor Marsh. No one, no one could hear those Clinton lies and be that big a cheerleader. That's gotta be more than a Hillary supporter. And, this'll never get posted; no swear words and no threats, but, there's something amiss with the moderator/censors, don't you think?
(We have allergies. - HPMods) posted 03/31/2008 at 22:53:54
(We have allergies. - HPMods) posted 03/31/2008 at 22:53:54
farfennugen -- Hillary may look tired; but, she ain't NEARLY as tired as many Democrats are. God knows, the descent from "As far as I know" to "We ran through sniper fire on the tarmac" has been exhausting for anybody with a grain of commonsense. Couple that (no pun intended) with the former president's racist remarks and his bring 'em on and "Let's have an argument" and that wagging finger. We need a rest from these people -- like about 20 years rest. Think they'll go away? Not bloody likely. posted 03/31/2008 at 22:47:19
Newsweek: Hillary For NY Governor?
Starboymikey -- but, but, she can't be gov of NY! Bill "rejected it out of hand." And...he's in charge, isn't he? posted 03/29/2008 at 20:39:12
Female Clinton Supporters Fear Campaign Has Unleashed Sexist Backlash
dadw5boys, you have no clue as to the gender or age of anyone who comments on these pages; therefore, your premise is false -- that is, to ask 'why do women hate other women so much.'
Were you to go out on the street in 3 or 4 towns or cities and ask a random number of women their opinion of Hillary Clinton, and ask what they base their opinion on, you would perhaps get a better insight into women and their views.
Of course, that would require some effort on your part, and would require something besides idle observation with no basis for fact. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:34:07
Were you to go out on the street in 3 or 4 towns or cities and ask a random number of women their opinion of Hillary Clinton, and ask what they base their opinion on, you would perhaps get a better insight into women and their views.
Of course, that would require some effort on your part, and would require something besides idle observation with no basis for fact. posted 03/31/2008 at 21:34:07
Ebb, you are right. Chelsea is a 28-yr old hedge fund mgr and she has chosen to get thoroughly involved in Hillary and Bill Clinton's campaign. Chelsea is a product of private schools, privilege, and that's fine; but, Chelsea is BY CHOICE placing herself center stage with two career politicians who have a reputation for ruthlessness and an obsession for power. MANY 28-YR OLDS ARE DYING IN IRAQ. So maybe those occasional "ill-mannered" questions aren't too awfully harmful. posted 03/29/2008 at 20:10:36
AC, Barack Obama did not lie about running through sniper fire in Bosnia, as did Hillary. He did not lie about his being involved in the N. Ireland peace process, as did Hillary. Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq as did many of his Senate colleagues who refused to vote with Bush.
There are countless other reasons to vote for Senator Obama. And, if you are old enough to remember the Impeachment years then you can perhaps understand more reasons not to vote for a third term for Bill Clinton. It is beyond all logic to blame Barack Obama for the Clintons' baggage and their personal mismanagement of her campaign. posted 03/29/2008 at 20:05:51
There are countless other reasons to vote for Senator Obama. And, if you are old enough to remember the Impeachment years then you can perhaps understand more reasons not to vote for a third term for Bill Clinton. It is beyond all logic to blame Barack Obama for the Clintons' baggage and their personal mismanagement of her campaign. posted 03/29/2008 at 20:05:51
drmavis -- you make so many valid points that so many of us are in agreement with about Hillary's campaign. Suffice it to say, were it another woman, one who did not enlist her husband's threatening presence and one who did not engage in padded resumes, we'd have a chance to win. Unfortunately, wrong woman at the wrong time. And, just in case people want to get nasty, if Hillary were a man and HE'D behaved like she has, he'd be in the same shape -- virtually disgraced. Hillary has gotten kid glove treatment for many months; those days are over. posted 03/29/2008 at 19:57:36
Bill Maher's Hillary Clinton Monologue: "Get Elected Or Lie Trying"
Chillfactor--Think anncoulterinCA is a paid Clinton staffer/troll. Ever the cheerleader despite the evidence. Lying about sniper fire in Bosnia just begs the question forever of Hillary's truthiness.. posted 03/30/2008 at 08:39:29
MizJ, not worth the effort; more trash from a supporter of the Bosnia sniper fire candidate. posted 03/29/2008 at 22:50:05
Reid To Worried Dems: "This Will Be Over Long Before The Convention"
kellygrrrl --
You're onto something; and it doesn't sound all that appealing. It's pathetic that rules, regs, agreements seemingly are set aside while tooth and claw rip the party and its candidates to pieces. If there is no guidance and no cessation to this battle, not only will the candidates despise each other and their backers, those of us left standing out in the hinterlands will be totally alone come November.
There are too many rich, rightwing GOPers and folks like Scaife, Amandson of CA and others who will prop up McCain with billions of dollars and millions of votes. That Rove machine is still very much in operation and it won't be denied unless we have huge numbers. So timing is everything, and Hillary's wish for 3 more months is a death wish for the party and the country. posted 03/29/2008 at 12:21:12
You're onto something; and it doesn't sound all that appealing. It's pathetic that rules, regs, agreements seemingly are set aside while tooth and claw rip the party and its candidates to pieces. If there is no guidance and no cessation to this battle, not only will the candidates despise each other and their backers, those of us left standing out in the hinterlands will be totally alone come November.
There are too many rich, rightwing GOPers and folks like Scaife, Amandson of CA and others who will prop up McCain with billions of dollars and millions of votes. That Rove machine is still very much in operation and it won't be denied unless we have huge numbers. So timing is everything, and Hillary's wish for 3 more months is a death wish for the party and the country. posted 03/29/2008 at 12:21:12
Bush Readies Mortgage Aid Plan
Ron, and W's verbal images of mortgagees being 'under water' brings to mind another component of that admin's history...waterboarding. He should stop with the imagery and do some actual work for citizens. Won't happen. posted 03/29/2008 at 12:07:04
Shiite Leader Al-Sadr Defies Iraq Gov't
Hume, do you think the moderators are all off this weekend? posted 03/29/2008 at 20:12:42
themodernleader, it really is peculiar; can't figure huffpo over the last couple of days; lots of swear words, some very hard remarks, and oddly threatening stuff getting through with some very simple observations cut or 'pending.' Wonder if other sites are more free? posted 03/29/2008 at 18:06:26
Hillary And Bill: We Aren't Going Anywhere
oscarp, It's not so much hate as it is...well, let's say: Disgust with attempted intimidation of party leaders; dismay at cheap campaign strategy like 'as far as I know;' and the ever-recurring lies. You know, like "Running with heads down in sniper fire" and "Negotiating the N. Ireland peace accord."
Things like that; not just hate or jealousy or cowardly, ungrateful , etc., male egos. There are many women who do not behave like Hillary Clinton, nor would they, even in a race of a lifetime. She and Bill have no sense of propriety and no sense of community. It's Billary, 24/7, all about them, all the time. posted 03/29/2008 at 11:16:35
Things like that; not just hate or jealousy or cowardly, ungrateful , etc., male egos. There are many women who do not behave like Hillary Clinton, nor would they, even in a race of a lifetime. She and Bill have no sense of propriety and no sense of community. It's Billary, 24/7, all about them, all the time. posted 03/29/2008 at 11:16:35
Mon,
Glad you're glad; keep throwing that $$$ down the kitchen sink drain. The garbage disposal is all that remains of Billary's "strategy."
Can you say "Bosnia sniper fire is a lie" ? And, "I made the N. Ireland peace accord possible" is another lie, No one wants more liars in the White House. posted 03/29/2008 at 11:07:24
Glad you're glad; keep throwing that $$$ down the kitchen sink drain. The garbage disposal is all that remains of Billary's "strategy."
Can you say "Bosnia sniper fire is a lie" ? And, "I made the N. Ireland peace accord possible" is another lie, No one wants more liars in the White House. posted 03/29/2008 at 11:07:24
Ralph Nader Tells Clinton "Don't Listen" To People Telling You To Drop Out
degjack, "Truth" told by persons who game the system to benefit THEMSELVES is not truth. It's propaganda, or lies, if you read carefully and if you look at the record(s). Advice from Nader about campaigns is like advice from Rove or Limbaugh; works for the rightwingers but not the rest of the world. posted 03/29/2008 at 12:02:47
Chelsea: Mom Will Be "Better President" Than Dad
Anywho, We do deserve better than this family in the WH. This cycle of Bush/Clinton/Bush is destroying our party and our country. There's been good and bad and surplus and deficit -- but the cycle should end here. Can't you imagine Jeb revving up his engine? Then comes Chelsea in four?
And, to put Chelsea on center stage to shill for Billary, but muzzle reporters who have serious questions, that is asking for yet more entitlements for the Clintons, whose entitlements and endowments are endless.
The Clintons have a history. They will be asked questions about that history. The record doesn't go away for an Impeached president; the lies don't go away from his spouse (think Bosnia and sniper fire). They are all vulnerable and will be scrutinized. posted 03/29/2008 at 10:26:39
And, to put Chelsea on center stage to shill for Billary, but muzzle reporters who have serious questions, that is asking for yet more entitlements for the Clintons, whose entitlements and endowments are endless.
The Clintons have a history. They will be asked questions about that history. The record doesn't go away for an Impeached president; the lies don't go away from his spouse (think Bosnia and sniper fire). They are all vulnerable and will be scrutinized. posted 03/29/2008 at 10:26:39
Senator Leahy To Clinton: Drop Out
ACA -- the thief is not Senator Leahy; you don't see this senator lying about a trip to Bosnia, running through sniper fire. And you don't see Senator Leahy lying about negotiating peace in N. Ireland. And, "as far as we know" Senator Leahy has the good of the Democratic Party at heart when he speaks for those who care about the party and the general election. posted 03/28/2008 at 22:47:52
Kundera,
You may see low Congressional ratings. You may not be happy with Senator Leahy's words. But you won't see this Senator lying about sniper fire in Bosnia and making peace agreements in Ireland. This man has the high regard of his colleagues and his constituents; and that kind of regard will not accrue to Hillary now or ever. The lies, the manipulations and the behavior of the former president and his wife have all but destroyed any credibility Hillary has or will have. posted 03/28/2008 at 17:37:08
You may see low Congressional ratings. You may not be happy with Senator Leahy's words. But you won't see this Senator lying about sniper fire in Bosnia and making peace agreements in Ireland. This man has the high regard of his colleagues and his constituents; and that kind of regard will not accrue to Hillary now or ever. The lies, the manipulations and the behavior of the former president and his wife have all but destroyed any credibility Hillary has or will have. posted 03/28/2008 at 17:37:08
Mikey, With all due respect, Senator Leahy enjoys great regard in Congress. It is past time for a leader of his caliber to speak up about the Democratic race for the nomination.
The Clinton campaign has been in a shambles; Senator Clinton's most recent lies about Bosnia and Ireland have made her, and our party, look conniving and stupid. The former president's behavior has both undermined Hillary's candidacy and his legacy.
Regardless of how much people want her to succeed, Hillary is her own worst enemy, with Bill a close second. Hillary does indeed need to get out of the race; the sooner the better for the party and herself. posted 03/28/2008 at 17:28:10
The Clinton campaign has been in a shambles; Senator Clinton's most recent lies about Bosnia and Ireland have made her, and our party, look conniving and stupid. The former president's behavior has both undermined Hillary's candidacy and his legacy.
Regardless of how much people want her to succeed, Hillary is her own worst enemy, with Bill a close second. Hillary does indeed need to get out of the race; the sooner the better for the party and herself. posted 03/28/2008 at 17:28:10
Bill Clinton Praises "Moderate" McCain
Sub...Ah, it's the old AnnCoulterRushLimbaugh "let us taint the candidate" strategy! I still think Bill and John would work well together. Bill NEEDS that affirmation! posted 03/28/2008 at 17:45:02
LAJ, Think it would be at ALL possible to get Bill on the McCain tkt? Is there any way that say Penn and the cronies could convince both McCain and Bill to hook up...? posted 03/28/2008 at 17:42:45
Chris Dodd: This Race Must End
Scanning through all the previous is like living next door to a family of drunks who scream obscenities at each other day and night; you keep waiting for the cops or social services or another relative to haul 'em off in a van to some institution. COME NOVEMBER, we'll have to sober up and vote...it might be good to hold back some of the vitriol, just in case we want to congratulate each other on our win, or weep about our loss. posted 03/27/2008 at 21:27:48
HS, Funny... posted 03/27/2008 at 21:21:04
US Embassy Personnel In Baghdad Told Not To Leave 'Reinforced Structures' Due To Incoming Insurgent Fire
One does have to wonder if the warning to take cover in blast-resistant buildings was prefaced by the exhortation, THE SURGE IS WORKING! posted 03/27/2008 at 22:07:15
Clinton Campaign Stands By Harsh Letter To Pelosi
"Sniper fire on the tarmac; we ran with our heads down." posted 03/27/2008 at 16:10:34
Thanks for the link; did just that.
For those who don't get it -- how many kinds of sniper-fire-on-the-tarmac lies can we ignore? These lies and the public spectacle of an obsessive candidate and her husband are killing our chance to win in November.
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton should retire to NY or Little Rock or somewhere and just stay out of the public eye, certainly through 2012. posted 03/27/2008 at 15:52:35
For those who don't get it -- how many kinds of sniper-fire-on-the-tarmac lies can we ignore? These lies and the public spectacle of an obsessive candidate and her husband are killing our chance to win in November.
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton should retire to NY or Little Rock or somewhere and just stay out of the public eye, certainly through 2012. posted 03/27/2008 at 15:52:35
James Carville, Mary Matalin Leave Washington
Note to the movers: Could you run by Begala's house and pick up their stuff, too???? posted 03/27/2008 at 16:42:06
Obama-Bloomberg Ticket? MSNBC Points Out Potential
Webb has actively worked on legislation for a new 'GI Bill' which of course the prez and gop are determined to stop. Webb most assuredly has been against the invasion and occupation of Iraq since the neocons began to beat the drum. His son is in Iraq.
He also (and this is not as silly as it seems) kept the US Senate 'in session' so that Bush could not make any recess appts over the holiday break, by going in each day and convening the session.
Webb is tough; he is not a schmoozer and he won after a good race in a hard state; God knows he and Mark Warner will be two of the best in the Senate, if Mark Warner wins in Nov and he should.
Check out Webb's site. posted 03/27/2008 at 16:37:47
He also (and this is not as silly as it seems) kept the US Senate 'in session' so that Bush could not make any recess appts over the holiday break, by going in each day and convening the session.
Webb is tough; he is not a schmoozer and he won after a good race in a hard state; God knows he and Mark Warner will be two of the best in the Senate, if Mark Warner wins in Nov and he should.
Check out Webb's site. posted 03/27/2008 at 16:37:47
erikh -- plus which Webb is not a shy guy; his snub of potus was classic, "It's between me and my boy" when the smirker/decider tried to make small talk about Webb's military son and his tour of duty.
Again, gotta keep Webb in VA to turn that state around for Democrats. He's a great senator. posted 03/27/2008 at 13:00:44
Again, gotta keep Webb in VA to turn that state around for Democrats. He's a great senator. posted 03/27/2008 at 13:00:44
Gotta keep those guys (Webb, Warner) in VA and turn the state blue; almost there since VA got rid of Sen George Macaca Allen...VA Gov Timothy Kaine is sharp; he was one of the first to endorse Obama. See him at a cabinet level pos'n.
Don't forget fmr Congressman Ford; smart guy. Again, we must needs win the thing. posted 03/27/2008 at 12:58:13
Don't forget fmr Congressman Ford; smart guy. Again, we must needs win the thing. posted 03/27/2008 at 12:58:13
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Well, ummmm, there are allegations; there are "misspeaks" and there are lies. It does seem that many voters now are able to distinguish between lies and truth. Hillary's running from sniper fire springs to mind; perhaps her NAFTA memories are also suspect. That just may be the issue! posted 04/02/2008 at 09:16:03