May 22, 2008
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williamg
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Obama Begins Search For Running Mate
That is exactly what I was thinking. posted 05/22/2008 at 14:01:51
I was always convinced that the guy with the "Iron my shirt" sign was a plant by the Clinton campaign. Not as if they don't have a history of plants in the crowd at her events. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:43:15
Another disgruntled Clinton supporter. Amazing how a person can feel she is so electable, even though she is 20 million in debt. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:39:40
No to Bob Kerrey. He was high on my list, until he went and started this whole "Hussein" crap, and then went as so far to say that Obama attended a secular madrassa. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:36:50
I was thinking that last week. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:35:22
I found his comments yesterday to be refreshing. Not because all will agree with them, but because they were honest, and reflective of how many people really feel.
As an African American who has spent some time in Appalachia, I will say that I 100% agree with his analysis. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:24:07
As an African American who has spent some time in Appalachia, I will say that I 100% agree with his analysis. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:24:07
The only down side to putting Webb on the ticket, is that Webb has had a curious history on women's issues, including the place of women in the military. I would be curious as to how other women feel about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UebXkJhGpyA&eurl posted 05/22/2008 at 13:20:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UebXkJhGpyA&eurl posted 05/22/2008 at 13:20:46
"Besides all his personal qualifications, besides all the obvious political benefits, Webb could do something for Obama that only he could do, and that would fit perfectly with Obama's larger goals--indeed, complete them: he could bind up the internal wounds that have plagued the Democratic Party since the anti-war days of the 60's and 70's, and through that healing, begin to heal the larger American body politic--that great Boomer schism you have talked about at length. Who else could serve that function? Not Edwards, not Strickland, good as they might be in other ways. Internally, Webb's experience as a citizen soldier, coupled with his early and adamant opposition to the Iraq war, could bring the two sides of the Democratic Party together; externally, Webb is the only one with the experience and the personality to take on McCain and the neo-cons. This interview--and what I've learned about Webb recently--have sold me on the guy. He's as smart as they come, he's got the creds, and he's a thoughtful, progressive force." - A reader of Andrew Sullivan's
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/obama-webb.html posted 05/22/2008 at 13:16:15
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/obama-webb.html posted 05/22/2008 at 13:16:15
Anyone find it curious that Webb is making his rounds on all of the cable news shows lately? I know he is selling a book, but I find these appearances timely -- not in a bad way either. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Obama and Webb are on the same boat already, and they want Webb out there - now - to counter Hillary's attempt to strong-arm her way on the ticket. posted 05/22/2008 at 13:05:38
Huh? You mean the same Joe Lieberman that called Obama a Marxist last week? posted 05/22/2008 at 12:59:12
When will you people stop using this very flawed electoral map? This site relies too much on outdated polling rather than current polling and demographic analysis.
Go to www.fivethirtyeight.com for much better analysis. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:14:13
Go to www.fivethirtyeight.com for much better analysis. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:14:13
It is so painful to listen to RFK Jr. speak. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:11:59
Relax man. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:09:22
It is less an issue of racism and more an issue with Obama being an outsider to them. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:07:44
No, I think Joe wins him votes of hard-working Israelis, white Israelis. posted 05/22/2008 at 12:06:10
Officials say Obama starts search for running mate
Survey Usa poll released this morning has Obama beating McCain by 8 points in Virginia. Doesn't this make Webb even more attractive as a candidate? posted 05/22/2008 at 11:55:10
I'm waiting to see who Mc Elderly choses. His choices of Mitt (my core beliefs change daily) Romney, Bobby (I'm Indian, yet the base of the party thinks I'm Mexican) Jindal and Charlie (Bob Barker tan) Crist, are all laughable choices. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:46:38
I understand the rationale, but with all the hype I have heard about Sebelius, she sure was a dud during the Democratic repsonse to the President's State of the Union Address. Other than that, I know very little. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:42:17
I'm curious to know why you are disappointed in him. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:39:58
For all we know, her Florida and Michigan plight / farse may be an attempt to force herself on the ticket. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:39:23
Who? posted 05/22/2008 at 11:35:30
Agreed, they fill in each others blanks, but also reinforce each other. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:34:54
From Andrew Sullivan's site:
Besides all his personal qualifications, besides all the obvious political benefits, Webb could do something for Obama that only he could do, and that would fit perfectly with Obama's larger goals--indeed, complete them: he could bind up the internal wounds that have plagued the Democratic Party since the anti-war days of the 60's and 70's, and through that healing, begin to heal the larger American body politic--that great Boomer schism you have talked about at length. Who else could serve that function? Not Edwards, not Strickland, good as they might be in other ways. Internally, Webb's experience as a citizen soldier, coupled with his early and adamant opposition to the Iraq war, could bring the two sides of the Democratic Party together; externally, Webb is the only one with the experience and the personality to take on McCain and the neo-cons. This interview--and what I've learned about Webb recently--have sold me on the guy. He's as smart as they come, he's got the creds, and he's a thoughtful, progressive force. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:28:59
Besides all his personal qualifications, besides all the obvious political benefits, Webb could do something for Obama that only he could do, and that would fit perfectly with Obama's larger goals--indeed, complete them: he could bind up the internal wounds that have plagued the Democratic Party since the anti-war days of the 60's and 70's, and through that healing, begin to heal the larger American body politic--that great Boomer schism you have talked about at length. Who else could serve that function? Not Edwards, not Strickland, good as they might be in other ways. Internally, Webb's experience as a citizen soldier, coupled with his early and adamant opposition to the Iraq war, could bring the two sides of the Democratic Party together; externally, Webb is the only one with the experience and the personality to take on McCain and the neo-cons. This interview--and what I've learned about Webb recently--have sold me on the guy. He's as smart as they come, he's got the creds, and he's a thoughtful, progressive force. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:28:59
Opposition Grows To Clinton's Delegate Cause Celebre
Hopefully this comment will be posted within the next 4 - 8 hours. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:23:22
Will you relax! Everyone (EVERYONE!!!) knows that Florida will be seated at the convention. They will either have full representation of half representation (like the Republicans did). posted 05/22/2008 at 11:17:51
Great, so basically the Republican plan is to wait on a miracle. Good strategy. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:15:06
I doubt her she really wants to seat Florida and Michigan, I think she is trying to latch on to any excuse to drag this nomination out as long as possible, and Florida and Michigan are convenient excuses. She understands that Obama has such a large delegate lead (178) and she would only pick up - at best - 58 delegates by seating these two states.
I get the feeling that no matter what happens on May 31, she will try to take the fight to the credentials committee and the convention just to string it out even longer. This isn't about fighting for Florida and Michigan, this is about finding yet another excuse, or cause celebre, to continue -- fueled by a backlash from female voters because of Hillary's cry of Sexism.
It's all rather depressing. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:10:55
I get the feeling that no matter what happens on May 31, she will try to take the fight to the credentials committee and the convention just to string it out even longer. This isn't about fighting for Florida and Michigan, this is about finding yet another excuse, or cause celebre, to continue -- fueled by a backlash from female voters because of Hillary's cry of Sexism.
It's all rather depressing. posted 05/22/2008 at 11:10:55
Clinton Says She's Willing To Take Fight To Convention
Does anger towards Hillary always have to be dismissed as sexism? posted 05/21/2008 at 23:53:32
Where Clinton went wrong:
Voting for Iraq war.
Very safe legislative record in the Senate without any major pieces of legilation that she authored.
Running as an incumbent.
Not hiring Joe Trippi when she had the chance.
Mark Penn.
Patti Solis Doyle.
Not running as a populist until late in campaign.
Lack of an effort to reach out to youth.
Lack of netroots involvement.
Relying too much on microtrends, focus groups and polling.
Disregarding caucus states.
Disregarding small states.
Relying on large donors.
Failure to take control of her campaign's operations.
Failure to find a campaign message to stick with.
Planting questions in Iowa.
***Biggest mistake of all - She should have either put 100% into Iowa from the begining or not participated in Iowa at all. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:32:12
Voting for Iraq war.
Very safe legislative record in the Senate without any major pieces of legilation that she authored.
Running as an incumbent.
Not hiring Joe Trippi when she had the chance.
Mark Penn.
Patti Solis Doyle.
Not running as a populist until late in campaign.
Lack of an effort to reach out to youth.
Lack of netroots involvement.
Relying too much on microtrends, focus groups and polling.
Disregarding caucus states.
Disregarding small states.
Relying on large donors.
Failure to take control of her campaign's operations.
Failure to find a campaign message to stick with.
Planting questions in Iowa.
***Biggest mistake of all - She should have either put 100% into Iowa from the begining or not participated in Iowa at all. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:32:12
I will say this: Imagine if Obama had wrapped this up early on, like Feb. 5th, he never would have built the 50 state organization that he has now. He wasn't handed a machine to take control of; he had to built this organization brick by brick.
Think of McCain - what organization does he really have? The Republican vault program? It isn't worth a bucket of spit without an inspired base.
People seem to think that John McCain is the perfect candidate this season because of where the country is. That's a bunch of crap. The Republicans are looking for their next Reagan - Washington outsider who is respected by all 3 wings of the party. McCain is no Reagan. He is just old and crusty, and losing his "Maverick" edge day by day.
Obama has a movement that will absolutely crush McCain across the country. Alot of that came from being in this long nomination fight. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:21:13
Think of McCain - what organization does he really have? The Republican vault program? It isn't worth a bucket of spit without an inspired base.
People seem to think that John McCain is the perfect candidate this season because of where the country is. That's a bunch of crap. The Republicans are looking for their next Reagan - Washington outsider who is respected by all 3 wings of the party. McCain is no Reagan. He is just old and crusty, and losing his "Maverick" edge day by day.
Obama has a movement that will absolutely crush McCain across the country. Alot of that came from being in this long nomination fight. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:21:13
I'm with you on that. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:13:43
Go against the rules and you get some head - Bill Clinton posted 05/21/2008 at 22:11:37
Kinda overstating it a bit, don't you think? posted 05/21/2008 at 22:10:50
Lol, hell, if I was a Republican, I would think it is fun too. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:09:30
Except she has made it perfectly clear that she will not go along with the plan that the Michigan Democrats have already approved - 69 to 59 split in delegates in favor of Clinton. I wouldn't be suprised if she choses to take it to the credentials committee. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:05:45
Ya know.
Obama has 180 delegate lead.
Montana - 16 delegates (Obama favored to win)
South Dakota - 15 delegates (Obama favored to win) posted 05/21/2008 at 22:03:09
Obama has 180 delegate lead.
Montana - 16 delegates (Obama favored to win)
South Dakota - 15 delegates (Obama favored to win) posted 05/21/2008 at 22:03:09
Yeah, like 1968 and 1980: Democrats lost the Presidency. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:00:58
For the low information voters, who feel that Florida and Michigan would have changed the delegate count, please follow along.
Florida - If Florida's results were to stand, Hillary would net 38 delegates.
Michigan - 75% of voters who voted for Uncommitted said that they would have voted for Obama. With that being said, Hillary would have net 26 delegates.
Combined total of Florida and Michigan - 64 net delegates for Hillary.
Today, Obama has nearly 180 delegate lead. If you subtract 64 from 180.......you do the math. posted 05/21/2008 at 21:52:01
Florida - If Florida's results were to stand, Hillary would net 38 delegates.
Michigan - 75% of voters who voted for Uncommitted said that they would have voted for Obama. With that being said, Hillary would have net 26 delegates.
Combined total of Florida and Michigan - 64 net delegates for Hillary.
Today, Obama has nearly 180 delegate lead. If you subtract 64 from 180.......you do the math. posted 05/21/2008 at 21:52:01
Uhhh, Hillary only picked up 38 delegates from Florida, and at best she would have picked up 15 from Michigan.
Unfortunately, he has a 180 delegate lead. Do the math please!
Please do the most basic research before posting comments. posted 05/21/2008 at 21:46:32
Unfortunately, he has a 180 delegate lead. Do the math please!
Please do the most basic research before posting comments. posted 05/21/2008 at 21:46:32
Only in Hillary camp's world do facts become lies. It's rather unbelievable. posted 05/21/2008 at 19:11:02
"Remember Obama took his name off the ballot in MI in order to delegitimize the election"
Hello???? The DNC delegitimized the election, not Obama.
If you want to give Hillary those votes you would have to give Obama the Uncommited which is 238,168. posted 05/21/2008 at 19:09:10
Hello???? The DNC delegitimized the election, not Obama.
If you want to give Hillary those votes you would have to give Obama the Uncommited which is 238,168. posted 05/21/2008 at 19:09:10
Now, the most glaring flaw when using popular vote as a metric, is that some states voted using a primary system and some that used a caucus system.
Let's take 2 states - Wisconsin and Minnesota
Both states are almost identical in population (Wisconsin ranked 20 and Minnesota ranked 21) but Wisconsin held a primary and Minnesota held a caucus. Here is the total amount of people who voted in each state:
Wisconsin - 1,100,805 (primary)
Minnesota - 211,103 (caucus)
You see, using the popular vote metric, Wisconsin receives 5 times the sway Minnesota does, even though they are almost identical in population. If states wanted to maximize their sway in a popular vote, they would switch from caucuses to primaries.
But, of course, this is a race for delegates, not pop vote. posted 05/21/2008 at 19:03:53
Let's take 2 states - Wisconsin and Minnesota
Both states are almost identical in population (Wisconsin ranked 20 and Minnesota ranked 21) but Wisconsin held a primary and Minnesota held a caucus. Here is the total amount of people who voted in each state:
Wisconsin - 1,100,805 (primary)
Minnesota - 211,103 (caucus)
You see, using the popular vote metric, Wisconsin receives 5 times the sway Minnesota does, even though they are almost identical in population. If states wanted to maximize their sway in a popular vote, they would switch from caucuses to primaries.
But, of course, this is a race for delegates, not pop vote. posted 05/21/2008 at 19:03:53
Not only is focusing on the popular vote from the primaries not part of the rules, but it is a terribly flawed metric. Let's look some of the many reasons:
There are so many ways to tabulate the popular vote totals. It all depends on how you count 6 specific states:
Florida (held rogue election in which no candidate campaigned)
Michigan (same as Florida plus Obama was not on the ballot)
Iowa (hasn't released popular vote)
Nevada (hasn't released popular vote)
Washington (hasn't released popular vote)
Maine (hasn't released popular vote)
Without counting any of these states, Obama leads by 449,486.
When you count Florida only, Obama leads by 154,714.
When you count Florida and ESTIMATE the vote totals from Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine, Obama leads by 264,936.
When you count Florida and Michigan (Obama's name was not on ballot), but NOT the 4 caucus states, Clinton leads by 173,595. (This is the metric that Clinton most often uses when making the popular vote case.) *Remember, vote totals from Michigan are such:
Clinton - 328,309
Obama - 0
So basically, we may never really know how many people voted in those 4 caucus states, because the popular vote was never tabulated by the states. posted 05/21/2008 at 18:52:23
There are so many ways to tabulate the popular vote totals. It all depends on how you count 6 specific states:
Florida (held rogue election in which no candidate campaigned)
Michigan (same as Florida plus Obama was not on the ballot)
Iowa (hasn't released popular vote)
Nevada (hasn't released popular vote)
Washington (hasn't released popular vote)
Maine (hasn't released popular vote)
Without counting any of these states, Obama leads by 449,486.
When you count Florida only, Obama leads by 154,714.
When you count Florida and ESTIMATE the vote totals from Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine, Obama leads by 264,936.
When you count Florida and Michigan (Obama's name was not on ballot), but NOT the 4 caucus states, Clinton leads by 173,595. (This is the metric that Clinton most often uses when making the popular vote case.) *Remember, vote totals from Michigan are such:
Clinton - 328,309
Obama - 0
So basically, we may never really know how many people voted in those 4 caucus states, because the popular vote was never tabulated by the states. posted 05/21/2008 at 18:52:23
Traditionally, floor fights have led to Democrats losing in the General Election. posted 05/21/2008 at 17:25:30
Yes. It is also sexist to like anyone besides her too. posted 05/21/2008 at 17:23:55
The problem is the previous statements she has made. Michigan delegates agreed to split the delegates 69-59, which Obama agreed to and the Clinton campaign is flat-out rejecting. I believe she is using Florida and Michigan as a tool to allow her to fight to the convention, because even she knows that those 2 states change nothing. She is hiding behind the states, in attempt to string this thing to the convention. posted 05/21/2008 at 17:23:00
How did the General election turn out in these cases?:
1980 - Carter lost
1976 - Ford lost
1968 - Humphrey lost
1964 - Goldwater lost
1960 - JFK won
1956 - Stevenson lost posted 05/21/2008 at 17:13:56
1980 - Carter lost
1976 - Ford lost
1968 - Humphrey lost
1964 - Goldwater lost
1960 - JFK won
1956 - Stevenson lost posted 05/21/2008 at 17:13:56
Is there something a person can get from the pharmacy to help deal with Clinton fatigue? posted 05/21/2008 at 17:08:30
We know how 1980 turned out: Reagan win! posted 05/21/2008 at 17:03:46
Right, it's Obama's supporters fault that Hillary is threatening to ruin the party. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:59:45
Hitchens said it best - she never wants the meeting to end. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:58:10
Hmmm. Let's do the math
Obama has a delegate lead of 180
+ only 86 delegates left to win
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Shit out of luck for Hillary posted 05/21/2008 at 16:47:28
Obama has a delegate lead of 180
+ only 86 delegates left to win
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Shit out of luck for Hillary posted 05/21/2008 at 16:47:28
So, being magnanimous with this shameless person will not get us anywhere. Time for a change in tactics I guess. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:43:27
Jim Webb Speaks Out On Race, Addresses Grievances Of White America
Romney may draw mainstream LDS in Colorado, but they were going to vote for McCain anyway. Romney would kill him with the Latino vote in Colorado being he was the most vocal of the anti illegal immigration candidates besides Hunter and Tancredo. posted 05/22/2008 at 02:22:41
I didn't say plus Ohio and plus Florida as if they were easy, I was saying he could always fall back on the old Democratic map of winning as a reasonable possibility. posted 05/22/2008 at 02:19:29
"Poor Whites were not brought to this land in hulls of ships"
In fact, the Scots-Irish did come over in the hulls of ships as indentured-servants. As a black man who is familiar with these people, I would say we have much in common with the Scots-Irish. This is less about race and more about socio-economic class. posted 05/22/2008 at 02:16:43
In fact, the Scots-Irish did come over in the hulls of ships as indentured-servants. As a black man who is familiar with these people, I would say we have much in common with the Scots-Irish. This is less about race and more about socio-economic class. posted 05/22/2008 at 02:16:43
I believe he has every intention on spending an enormous amount of time there (provided Hillary allows him to). posted 05/22/2008 at 01:44:21
I don't have it backwards. They have been treated like crap for a few hundred years, even though they were the first to fight for this country in every war. They distrust outsiders until they have proven to be trusted. posted 05/22/2008 at 01:32:58
Well said man. posted 05/22/2008 at 01:16:58
You are dead on. Listen, I have lived in some of the worst neighborhoods in the South Bronx, I have helped feed the poor in Los Angeles's infamous Skid Row, and never (!!) have I seen the conditions of some areas in Appalachia.
Quick little story, and it is not meant to represent all the people of Appalachia or meant to put anyone down: There was a car that hit a wild turkey, and the family on the road came outside and asked if they could have the turkey. They then cooked the turkey in a 55 gallon drum. Even worse, they didn't have enough wood to cook it, so they used plastic bottles and other things. This shouldn't happen in America. posted 05/22/2008 at 01:13:07
Quick little story, and it is not meant to represent all the people of Appalachia or meant to put anyone down: There was a car that hit a wild turkey, and the family on the road came outside and asked if they could have the turkey. They then cooked the turkey in a 55 gallon drum. Even worse, they didn't have enough wood to cook it, so they used plastic bottles and other things. This shouldn't happen in America. posted 05/22/2008 at 01:13:07
Not only do they fill each others gaps, but they also reinforce each other. posted 05/22/2008 at 01:00:21
Not to mention, Mormonism is taking a hit right now in the news. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:55:29
My grandparents live in Goshen. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:54:33
No. It is a matter of familiarity. You have to earn their trust. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:49:37
Way off. Obama doesn't need Florida. He doesn't even need Ohio. He can win with combinations of the following:
Nevada
Colorado
Virginia
Missouri
Iowa
New Mexico
New Hampshire
Wisconsin
There are even opportunities for him in North Carolina and Georgia.
Or, he can win the Kerry states plus Ohio.
Or win Kerry states plus Florida.
Hillary has only those 2 last options. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:46:14
Nevada
Colorado
Virginia
Missouri
Iowa
New Mexico
New Hampshire
Wisconsin
There are even opportunities for him in North Carolina and Georgia.
Or, he can win the Kerry states plus Ohio.
Or win Kerry states plus Florida.
Hillary has only those 2 last options. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:46:14
Can you think of 2 more inspiring people, who have such a common interest, and similar Washington outsider naratives? posted 05/22/2008 at 00:23:29
lol. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:22:04
Good point. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:21:24
Raymondf, as an African American I will be the first to agree with you that Appalachian poor whites have it worse than many poor blacks. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:15:24
I have family that lives in Rockbridge county Virginia - heart of Appalachia - and Obama won the county during the Virginia primaries. posted 05/22/2008 at 00:10:27
"Most came as indentured servants. Someone in America would pay for the passage, and the traveler would labor in return for a period of time, usually between one and seven years. At the term's end, the person usually had acquired a trade. In addition, some were given clothes and money. Not all indentured servants were treated well, however. Some were handled more harshly than slaves from Africa because indentured servants were temporary help, not valued property."
I have always felt that any racial tensions Scots-Irish have is not out of feeling some type of superiority, but almost feeling that they haven't been given the same chances that blacks have.
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Resources/scots-irish.html posted 05/22/2008 at 00:08:34
I have always felt that any racial tensions Scots-Irish have is not out of feeling some type of superiority, but almost feeling that they haven't been given the same chances that blacks have.
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Resources/scots-irish.html posted 05/22/2008 at 00:08:34
I know, it's rather elitest of them. I have family that lives in the heart of Appalachia, in a town of only a couple hundred. In this town, there is only one official town job - Mayor, water dept, etc - and he is the only black person in town. His father held the same position before that. This isn't about racism, this is about being skeptical of outsiders. posted 05/21/2008 at 23:57:54
As an African American, I will be the first to say that Appalachia has it worse than any inner city African American. The only poverty that is comparable is black poverty in the deep south. posted 05/21/2008 at 23:51:23
"But the real insight is to point to the cultural suspicion that Appalachian whites have towards anyone they perceive as coming from an urban and, yes, elite background."
I agree with you completely. I see it less of a race problem than it is a distrust of outsiders. In every corner of America people tend to feel uncomfortable with those that we are unfamiliar with. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:52:16
I agree with you completely. I see it less of a race problem than it is a distrust of outsiders. In every corner of America people tend to feel uncomfortable with those that we are unfamiliar with. posted 05/21/2008 at 22:52:16
McCain Backer Hagee Said Hitler Was Fulfilling God's Will (AUDIO)
How about that guy that was impeached, lost his law license and settled a couple of sexual harassment suits out of court (I can't seem to remember his name) - how would you equate Hillary's relationship with him? posted 05/21/2008 at 16:24:36
Let's see, McCain is unwilling to meet with Ahmadinejad (Holocaust denier) but will seek out the endorsement of Hagee (Holocaust approver). posted 05/21/2008 at 16:18:31
I am going to post this, and maybe it will show up on the chat board within the next 3-6 hours. posted 05/21/2008 at 15:46:28
McCain is unwilling to meet with Ahmadinejad (Holocaust denier) but will seek out the endorsement of Hagee (Holocaust approver). posted 05/21/2008 at 15:08:00
Let me get this straight, Hagee is a bigot? This is good news for Sen. Clinton, considering bigots are her new base. Has Hagee endorsed Clinton yet? posted 05/21/2008 at 14:55:40
Oregon Gives Obama An "All But Insurmountable Advantage"
Oh please, and the tooth fairy will give me $20 bucks for a lost tooth too. Give me a break. Yes, technically they can change thier vote. No, it will never happen. These are die-hard activists for their candidate, it is not happening. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:37:06
Here is what Hillary had to say about counting Michigan:
Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.
Now, I"ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:32:27
Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.
Now, I"ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. posted 05/21/2008 at 16:32:27
Please, members of her campaign literally wrote those rules. Now they are trying to distance themselves from the rules. posted 05/21/2008 at 15:54:47
My God, can you think of another metric to twist around. Rules are the rules. The Democratic Party doesn't rewards "special states", so please find a new talking point.
The race is decided by delegates. Period. Just because your candidate finds herself losing by 182 delegates with only 86 left to be won, doesn't allow us to throw out the rules and make up new ones to help her out. LIke a bunch of spoiled children, you people are. posted 05/21/2008 at 15:53:30
The race is decided by delegates. Period. Just because your candidate finds herself losing by 182 delegates with only 86 left to be won, doesn't allow us to throw out the rules and make up new ones to help her out. LIke a bunch of spoiled children, you people are. posted 05/21/2008 at 15:53:30
lol posted 05/21/2008 at 15:50:03
"I ain"t gonna vote for that colored guy, he ain"t pretty," said Willie Jessie Littleton, 70, a retired sawmill worker and lifelong Democrat who said he"d vote for McCain if Obama"s the nominee. "I don"t like the way he talks."
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/the_bluegrass_vote.html posted 05/21/2008 at 15:35:59
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/the_bluegrass_vote.html posted 05/21/2008 at 15:35:59
It is amazing that Bill Clinton is making the case for sexism for his wife. I know, I know, this is the same Bill Clinton who was sued by a half dozen women over sexual harassment alegations. posted 05/21/2008 at 15:04:07
America owes almost 10 trillion in debt. Woud Hillary Clinton (31 million campaign debt) be the best person to fix this problem? posted 05/21/2008 at 14:46:04
Yeah, she and Tubbs-Jones are the ultimate Kool-Aid drinkers. posted 05/21/2008 at 14:33:57
Another low-information voter. posted 05/21/2008 at 14:32:54
"She relies on her man/women power to help her get the job done."
You mean she relies on her husband, right? Let's not pretend Hillary hasn't benefited greatly from nepotism. Hillary wasn't elected First Lady of Arkansas or First Lady of the United States - yet she used those two positions - which she received through marraige - to propel her to a Senate seat (after carefully chosing which state to call home). posted 05/21/2008 at 14:31:27
You mean she relies on her husband, right? Let's not pretend Hillary hasn't benefited greatly from nepotism. Hillary wasn't elected First Lady of Arkansas or First Lady of the United States - yet she used those two positions - which she received through marraige - to propel her to a Senate seat (after carefully chosing which state to call home). posted 05/21/2008 at 14:31:27
"We're not into self-affirmation and patting each other on the back."
Suprisingly, this was posted by someone who is a Republican. I know, I know, the first thing that popped into your head was Bush giving out Presidential Medal's of Freedom to Tommy Franks, George Tenet and Paul Bremer. Pretty funny, huh? posted 05/21/2008 at 14:23:43
Suprisingly, this was posted by someone who is a Republican. I know, I know, the first thing that popped into your head was Bush giving out Presidential Medal's of Freedom to Tommy Franks, George Tenet and Paul Bremer. Pretty funny, huh? posted 05/21/2008 at 14:23:43
Rather than post Mickey Kaus's blog, you might as well just start quoting Terry McCauliffe and Howard Wolfson.
You should post the post that he was actually twisting around, and see it is rather easy for him to get to 270. posted 05/21/2008 at 14:18:05
You should post the post that he was actually twisting around, and see it is rather easy for him to get to 270. posted 05/21/2008 at 14:18:05
When Joe Lieberman preaches to us about patriotism, is he speaking of his patriotism for the United States, or Israel? posted 05/21/2008 at 14:04:03
Michigan Democrats (and Obama) have already agreed to split the delegates 69 - 59 in favor of Clinton. The Clinton campaign has said that would be unacceptable. She wants the delegates to reflect the voters. I guess she wants Obama to get zero. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:59:46
WASHINGTON (AP) " Barack Obama is quietly planning to take over the Democratic National Committee and assemble a multistate team for the general election, the latest sign that he is putting rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and the nomination fight behind him.
Top Obama organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to run the party, several Democratic officials said Tuesday.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said no final decisions have been made on general election plans and that such decisions would be premature with Obama yet to clinch the nomination.
Tewes is one of the leading architects of Obama's success in the marathon Democratic primary race. He engineered Obama's critical victory in the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, which gave Obama the upper hand and Clinton was never able to fully overcome.
DNC executive director Tom McMahon and DNC political director Dave Boundy traveled to Chicago last week to meet with Tewes and other campaign officials to discuss merging efforts. The party officials have held similar meetings with Clinton campaign officials and last week got an agreement with both campaigns to start raising money that will benefit the eventual nominee.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gX-nWtXeO51gDrCSShgEZErApEsAD90PO62O0 posted 05/21/2008 at 13:55:09
Top Obama organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to run the party, several Democratic officials said Tuesday.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said no final decisions have been made on general election plans and that such decisions would be premature with Obama yet to clinch the nomination.
Tewes is one of the leading architects of Obama's success in the marathon Democratic primary race. He engineered Obama's critical victory in the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, which gave Obama the upper hand and Clinton was never able to fully overcome.
DNC executive director Tom McMahon and DNC political director Dave Boundy traveled to Chicago last week to meet with Tewes and other campaign officials to discuss merging efforts. The party officials have held similar meetings with Clinton campaign officials and last week got an agreement with both campaigns to start raising money that will benefit the eventual nominee.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gX-nWtXeO51gDrCSShgEZErApEsAD90PO62O0 posted 05/21/2008 at 13:55:09
Wow, rather than make the case for your own candidate, you are attacking the crowds that come to see Obama. Pretty friggin toxic. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:47:14
If they count Michigan, huh? Let's look at how Michigan voted:
Clinton - 328,309
Obama - 0
Yeah, that seems like a fair argument to make. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:41:32
Clinton - 328,309
Obama - 0
Yeah, that seems like a fair argument to make. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:41:32
People are sleeping on Bob Barr, but he is the rationale choice to many people in the Republican party that can't stand McCain. If this guy is able to get 5% of the Republican leaning voters, it would kill McCain's chances. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:36:05
Hmmmmm.
In Kentucky, 57% of the electorate are registered Democrats as opposed to 36% Republican, yet they voted for Bush 60 - 40.
Makes you think that Democrats in Kentucky would call themselves Republicans in other states. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:28:30
In Kentucky, 57% of the electorate are registered Democrats as opposed to 36% Republican, yet they voted for Bush 60 - 40.
Makes you think that Democrats in Kentucky would call themselves Republicans in other states. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:28:30
3 months ago Obama had a 166 delegate lead.
Today, Obama has more than 170 delegate lead.
Nothing has changed except the fact that there are only 86 pledged delegates left to be won. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:16:45
Today, Obama has more than 170 delegate lead.
Nothing has changed except the fact that there are only 86 pledged delegates left to be won. posted 05/21/2008 at 13:16:45
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