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Twice Divorced, Double Trouble?

Posted: 02/16/11 03:40 AM ET

There are lots of different reasons why couples call it quits but no matter how or why, all divorced people have one thing in common -- being asked, "So, why did you get divorced?"

It isn't necessarily a bad question: sometimes the answer helps people gauge their own relationships. Often, the answer illuminates the divorced person's character and "issues," especially to a potential new love. As a journalist I'm used to tough questions, but that one is particularly awkward for me because of how I have to answer: "Which time?"

I have been married and divorced more than once -- twice, in fact -- and that alone is enough to give many people pause, without even knowing the whys. They're quick to assume what they consider the obvious, that I must be pretty crappy marriage material because I "failed" at two of them. Perhaps I fall for the "wrong" kind of men. Or, more likely, something must be very "wrong" with me. Maybe all of the above. 2011-01-30-Fotolia_608892_XS.jpg

Serial marriages aren't that uncommon, especially among celebs -- Elizabeth Taylor, Mickey Rooney, Larry King come to mind. If the newly engaged Jesse James and Kat Von D eventually tie the knot, she'll be wife No. 4. But, we know that the rich and famous are not like us -- we expect all sorts of marital drama from them, and are more surprised by a marriage like the late Patrick Swayze's, who was together with wife Lisa Niemi for 34 years before he passed away.

Still, even they're not exempt from raised eyebrows.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's rocky marital history -- he's now on wife No. 3, Judith -- was well known when he he threw his hat into the presidential ring in 2008. "I'm a human being. I make mistakes. I'm not perfect," was how he explained things. Poor Judith, however; her admission that Rudy was her third husband set the tabloids on fire. That's why she waited until after he announced his intention to run for president to mention it. She feared judgment; she "failed" two marriages, after all -- what's wrong with her?

Which is why I find answering "So, why did you get divorced?" so awkward.

People tend to blame divorces on the women, just as surely as they notice a messy or dirty home and fault the wife for her shoddy housekeeping. Aren't wives the ones who say "I want a divorce" two-thirds as many times as men? Don't women have unrealistic expectations about marriage? Aren't unhappy wives who want a divorce selfish for putting their needs before their children's? And aren't all ex-wives psychos, gold-diggers, princesses and all-around b-words?

Some are.

All people who have been married and divorced a few times are suspect, but women perhaps a little more so -- just like women who sleep around are considered sluts or cougars while men who do are called, well, lucky.

I feel a lot like Rudy when it comes to explaining my first marriage. I wed just a few months shy of my 21st birthday -- what did I know? "I'm a human being. I make mistakes. I'm not perfect." I married way too young for all the wrong reasons because I didn't have any reason other than, "But we're in love!" That's not enough to sustain a marriage. My friends cast it off as a "starter marriage." Maybe, but it was still painful.

When I married again several years later, I thought I was a much more mature and self-aware woman. Evidently not, although somewhere between 60 percent and 70 percent of second marriages end so the odds were stacked against me anyway. But that marriage lasted 14 years and gave me two wonderful children. Although I didn't want to be a cliche -- a 40-something divorced mom -- stuff happened and we couldn't work it out. So we split.

It's easy to point the finger at the ex -- once. But if you've been married and divorced several times, people are on to that game. Just like it takes two people to make a good marriage, it takes two to make a troubled one. So I've spent a lot of time since my second divorce looking at what I've brought to the marital table and why, and what I want to change. Now I truly am a more mature and self-aware woman.

Which, obviously, makes me poised to be The Perfect Wife. Too bad I'm not going for marriage No. 3.


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There are lots of different reasons why couples call it quits but no matter how or why, all divorced people have one thing in common -- being asked, "So, why did you get divorced?" It isn't necessar...
There are lots of different reasons why couples call it quits but no matter how or why, all divorced people have one thing in common -- being asked, "So, why did you get divorced?" It isn't necessar...
 
 
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yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
12:48 PM on 02/20/2011
answering that question was easy. who would put up with that krap?
10:25 AM on 02/20/2011
I think that question is intrusive and unenlightened.  Anyway who still thinks in terms of blame game and doesn't recognize that both parties are responsible for their own part is just full of beans.
 
The question itself reveals a traditional attitude that someone needs to wear the scarlet letter.
 
Old thinking.
 
 
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bagman29
Meritocracy FTW!
09:39 AM on 02/17/2011
Does anyone else find it odd that Huff Post has a "divorce" section but not a business/money section?
DrSnuggles
You label me and I'll label you
10:54 AM on 02/17/2011
They do have a business section.

What I want is a 'Science' section, I know there is 'Tech' but sometimes the new Apple product just doesn't do it for me.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
02:55 PM on 02/17/2011
Health might be acceptable, but when they put a story on homeopathy in there instead of "religion" or "Living" I'm wary of what will end up in "Science".
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
12:13 AM on 02/18/2011
Unfortunately, it is a sign of the times. HP has what people find interesting, and science isn't on the list (but religion, of all things, is).
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
12:16 PM on 02/17/2011
@bagman29 — some exes might say they're one and the same ...
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joncavanaugh
I am, and forever remain, at your service.
10:49 PM on 02/16/2011
When I'm asked why I got divorced I always say I left my wife for another man-me.
03:02 PM on 02/18/2011
That is genius.
09:15 PM on 02/16/2011
I have no shame whatsoever when asked that question. My response... "I refused to subject myself or my daughter to any more of his abuse." Between him, me, our daughter and the police it got kind of crowded in the condo.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
12:10 AM on 02/17/2011
Shame vs. awkward — very different things.
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1jdgriff
Logic Prevails
04:28 PM on 02/18/2011
I don't either, I simply say, "After 26 years, I'm on wife number two and she's on husband number seven." That pretty much tells the story.
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
08:59 PM on 02/16/2011
The question they should be asked is "So, why did you get married?"
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
09:50 PM on 02/16/2011
@WSAY — you may not want to know the real answer ...
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Susan Shaffer
tell me from the beginning
10:23 PM on 02/16/2011
indeed!!
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dnaromney
05:29 PM on 02/16/2011
Women get all the blame for divorces? Really?
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:05 PM on 02/16/2011
@dnaromney — not all the blame (did I say that?), but a lot since we ask for divorce much more than men do
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dnaromney
08:44 AM on 02/18/2011
I would love to see some evidence for your claim since it seems that your subjective experience confirms one view and mine has confirmed an alternate view. I very much doubt that most individuals consider "which party initiated the divorce" as a strong factor when ascribing blame, instead considering the reasons given for the divorce (abuse, neglect, infidelity). As I mentioned, my experience has been that the divorced men I know have been blamed more heavily for divorces in which (at least as far as I could tell) the blame was fairly evenly distributed. I have no data on what general trends, or trends in demographic subgroups would show. Unless you do, my argument is merely that you are unjustified in making your claim.
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onwisconsin
Trust women; protect choice.
07:26 PM on 02/16/2011
When I left my ex-husband after he was caught in an illicit relationship with a teenage girl who was his student and my daughter's best friend, I had many people tell me to my face that if I had given him what he needed at home, he would not have had to have sex with that child.

?????

I take it you are a man. Perhaps you should ask a woman friend what it is like to be in her body and mind. The way I've learned about men is to talk with them about their experiences and how they see the world. Sometimes they get the short stick and sometimes we do. I've determined that pretty much if certain types of people can find a reason to be mean to you, whatever gender you are, they will do it. I try to keep my family, friends, and myself away from people like that.
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
09:02 PM on 02/16/2011
Sounds like American Beauty. I always ask people, "If you pour oil into water, they don't mix. Who is to blame? The oil or the water?
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dnaromney
08:49 AM on 02/18/2011
I'm very sorry that your experience was so negative! Clearly those who responded so negatively towards you were at fault. I assure you that I have talked to many women about their life experiences and their experience of the world. I would agree that both genders face challenges (many of which would surprise those of the opposite gender). It seems like your approach to dealing with negative influences is an intelligent one. My objection to the article (which I didn't make clear) is that the author should not make such a bold sweeping claim (women bear most of the blame for divorce) without supporting evidence. Her experience has led her to feel one way, mine has led me to feel another. Neither of us has the whole picture...
04:48 PM on 02/16/2011
Probably one of the most important decisions you can make in life, if not 'the' most important...can be done on a whim, while drunk, with a complete stranger...ya think it's time to 'evolve' beyond that?

Why do we need to take a test to drive a car, but don't have to take one for a possible lifetime commitment?

I would like to see a law or requirement, that before you can be 'legally' married you have to pass a test showing that you are:

1. Ready to be married (mature, able, stable, etc...)
2. Compatible.

Yes, these can be subjective, but the large point is, why don't we require more, more...something, before we do this supposedly life-long deed? Any downside to this?
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:50 PM on 02/16/2011
CreateAnAccount — Hey, who really cares if people mess up in marriage? It only matters if there are kids involved. If not, so what?
07:15 PM on 02/16/2011
why get married if it's no more important than spilt milk?
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Beverly Willett
Writer, lawyer, Vice Chair, Coalition Divo
07:47 PM on 02/16/2011
Who cares? we should care about our relationships with other people and how we treat them. Certainly the situation is magnified if children are involved. But to say it "only matters if there are kids involved.!" Marriage should mean something, commitment should mean something. We make this commitment in front of families and friends, what we do in life sets an example for others. If we're cavalier about our relationships, by our actions we tell them that's just fine, too. I really can't believe that you believe this. But then I think a lot of people do, and why we have such huge divorce rates. A lotof people then carry the same viewpoint over when they do have children.
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08:49 PM on 02/16/2011
The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a fundamental right (for heterosexual couples, at least), so there has to be a compelling state interest to infringe upon that right. I don't think failed marriages externalize their costs onto the state or society in general, so the government wouldn't have any basis for limiting that right.
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SiriusGD
Don't twist my words... I am part of the 99%
04:37 PM on 02/16/2011
Oh come on... people get married for all sorts of reasons these days, love and attraction being only a part of that.
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Susan Shaffer
tell me from the beginning
10:25 PM on 02/16/2011
i think it was always like that
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04:25 PM on 02/16/2011
I am married to a twice divorced woman and am very happy.
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
09:04 PM on 02/16/2011
Yeah, but what about her?
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08:46 AM on 02/17/2011
She is happy too.
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Hugh-Gee
My micro-bio is infectious.
04:17 PM on 02/16/2011
Whoops. You got the math and/or the English all messed up.
"Aren't wives the ones who say "I want a divorce" two-thirds as many times as men?"
If that were the case, wives would ask for divorce 2 times for every 3 times that husbands did. That would mean that wives asked for divorce 2/5, or 40% of the time.
Maybe you meant that wives asked for 2 out of 3 divorces (67%, twice as often as the men).
But following your link, I see that you wrote there: "Women ask for divorce two-thirds more often than men."
So that means, for every 3 divorces men ask for, women ask for 5. So women ask for 5/8 divorces (62.5%).
Considering the convoluted phrasing through all this, I have to wonder what's the actual number, and what's the source.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:10 PM on 02/16/2011
@Hugh-Gee — well, perhaps math isn't my strongest suit (although I did get 100 on my 10th-grade math midterm), but the actual number and source, which I referenced in the linked column is the National Marriage Project, formerly at Rutgers University, now at the University of Virginia; http://www.virginia.edu/marriageproject/
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Hugh-Gee
My micro-bio is infectious.
01:12 PM on 02/17/2011
Thank you for the follow-up. So the answer is that women ask for 2/3 of divorces; in other words, women are twice as likely as men to ask for divorce.
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
03:46 PM on 02/16/2011
How about the same question for a break up as in a divorce? "I certainly hope we can remain friends?" Sure! You just destroyed my life and shredded my heart, but hey you are a peachy dream.
03:39 PM on 02/16/2011
several is more than 2...
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AlexNYC
Pumps dont work cause the vandals took the handles
03:16 PM on 02/16/2011
Most awkward question? Which one gets to keep the Michael Bolton albums.
02:36 PM on 02/16/2011
My MIL has been married 3x and she likes to give my hubby marital advice (rolling eyes).
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Susan Shaffer
tell me from the beginning
03:44 PM on 02/16/2011
there are two ways to take her advice
1. she might be actually telling you where the pitfalls are
2. you do the complete opposite to her advice
04:06 PM on 02/17/2011
Yeah, I go with #2 for sure.
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SiriusGD
Don't twist my words... I am part of the 99%
04:38 PM on 02/16/2011
Something can be learned from others mistakes.
04:08 PM on 02/17/2011
True, if she actually viewed it or presented it that way. The advice isn't given in the spirit of "don't make the same mistakes I made"--it is more like "I'm very wise and I truly understand relationships." And, the advice is really crappy.