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Vicki Larson

Vicki Larson

Posted: January 13, 2011 03:21 AM

Two former coworkers who are suddenly facing divorce called me recently, wanting to get together for a drink, a shoulder to cry on and advice.

"What's it like on the other side?" they wanted to know. If nothing else, as a twice-divorced woman, I'm not a bad person to ask.

I looked at them -- two attractive, fit, smart and youngish men -- and thought, for you guys, it will probably be okay, especially when it comes to finding love again. There aren't too many available attractive, fit and smart 30- and 40-something men out there for all those available attractive, fit and smart 30- and 40-something women.

They were happy to hear that as they kicked back their scotch, but as the words came out of my mouth I realized there's one thing that probably won't be that okay: their kids are all under the age of 8, and while there may not be a good time to get divorced, there may be better times.

Most experts agree that one of the toughest times for parents to split is when children are young, like the age of my two former coworkers' children -- 3, 5 and 8. Kids need a lot of hands-on parenting at that age and divorce can send a stay-at-home mom or dad back into the workforce full time. Well, if you work 40-plus hours a week and have young kids, you know just how exhausting -- emotionally and physically -- that can be. It isn't much easier for those moms who have been working full time all along and may have a great support and childcare network; divorce guilt can add a lot of pressure on whatever guilt a working mom already has, and like it or not, most working moms feel guilty.

And yet, that's rarely foremost on a divorcing couple's mind. When the economy and housing market tanked, the media was filled with stories about how many would-be divorced couples were staying together for the sake of the house -- neither could afford to live in it solo and no one else could afford to buy it. It's interesting how many divorcing couples pay closer attention to the timing of selling the family home than the timing of their kids' developmental stage.

But I can't say my kids were better off when their dad and I divorced; they were 9 and 12, old enough to not only know what was going on but also to feel really pissed off about it. Especially my 12-year-old, who was trying to sort out his own hormonally fueled adolescence while pushing the boundaries and grasping for independence. He didn't really want to deal with his mom's and dad's stuff; he had enough of his own. Needless to say, there wasn't much "Kumbaya" singing around my house in those days.

You'd think it would be safe if you wait until you become empty-nesters to split, which is what so many middle-aged couples do. After decades of raising kids together, they find themselves sitting at the breakfast table together living the words from a Talking Heads song -- "This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife." But a friend who divorced when his kids were in their mid- and late-20s and living their own lives away from home didn't have an easier time. Blindsided, his kids began to question their entire childhood and what they thought was "true." Their model of marriage and commitment was shattered. And while my friend has moved on happily, his former wife has not; guess who became her confidantes. And guess which parent they rejected.

So if young kids are too needy, adolescents are too angry and adult kids will snub you, when should you get divorced?

There seems to be only one logical time and, oddly, research backs it up. Some 67 percent of couples say they feel "very unhappy" after a baby is born, according to the findings of Seattle's famed Gottman Institute. So, if you split right after a baby's born not only will your baby be too young to hold that against you or even have memories of it later on, but you were going to be sexually frustrated and emotionally distant in your marriage anyway. Honestly, I just can't think of a better time -- can you?

 
 
 

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Two former coworkers who are suddenly facing divorce called me recently, wanting to get together for a drink, a shoulder to cry on and advice. "What's it like on the other side?" they wanted to know...
Two former coworkers who are suddenly facing divorce called me recently, wanting to get together for a drink, a shoulder to cry on and advice. "What's it like on the other side?" they wanted to know...
 
 
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04:15 PM on 01/17/2011
If you get married, and have a kid, grow up, be an adult, get your act together, be responsible, and see it through.

Too many people are using divorce as a way to run away from the hard work responsibility is.

One last point: Why does Huff Post have a full DIVORCE area? Wouldn't a FAMILY section be useful, maybe even more useful, than helping people throw in the towel on their kids?
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
09:52 AM on 01/20/2011
Not bad points. I would suggest people get their act together BEFORE they get married. Then, they might have enough self awareness to pick a better partner with whom they could see it through.
04:23 PM on 01/16/2011
All abuse and criminal behavior aside, I see too many people wrapped up in their "happiness". There are periods in marriage and parenting that bring unhappiness and exhaustion. There are moments where your spouse will let you down. But from my vantage point with my own (over 30 years) and friends marriages, commitment brings great rewards, strong connections and yes, happiness. So if anyone is interested in a comment from someone who made the decision to hang tight and not break up their family, this is it! I found a treasure in time.
03:23 AM on 01/14/2011
A lot of the issues that come up subsequent to children being born are acute and resolve somewhat over time. It may be hasty to divorce before giving a marriage the chance to adjust to a new paradigm and for the needs of infants/toddlers to wane allowing the couple to possibly have more intimacy and time together. Just saying.

Also, in my case, I am grateful my children had a cohesive family for as long as they did. Now that I am divorcing I can see that while in some ways it would have been easier for my kids to handle when they were younger, it would have been such a hardship financially and emotionally for me that they would have been denied the attentive and wholehearted parenting I was able to provide them for 10 years. I would never encourage anyone to be hasty about divorcing.
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Vicki Larson
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12:43 PM on 01/14/2011
@mijumom — Well, I wrote this column very tongue-in-cheek; of course I'm not advocating for anyone to divorce after a baby's born! And I don't think anyone, even those who have had acrimonious divorces, unhappy marriages or are deliriously happy as divorcees — would encourage anyone to divorce in haste. It's a huge decision that needs to be thought about long and hard, after doing everything possible to keep the marriage intact.
07:44 PM on 01/14/2011
I get it. I do know people who divorce hastily and who romanticize post-divorce life; when you're in the thick of it, it is hard not to imagine life would be better without your mate sometimes. And, really, when you're contemplating divorce, articles like yours are influential (probably in both in good and bad ways).

I agree that if a divorce is imminent it is easier for younger children, it is just hard to determine what the potential of the relationship is in the midst of the chaos of rearing youngsters.

Anyway, I'm sure we agree.
03:57 PM on 01/15/2011
Tongue in cheek or not, this entire section of the site is pretty gross. I may be taking my readership elsewhere. This is nothing more than article after article invading peoples separations. Y'all need to find somewhere better to put your time.
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MarcEdward
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05:28 PM on 01/13/2011
On a side note, in case the writer was serious, I have to ask
WTF are you thinking?
You think a new born baby will be better off with a tired, stressed out parent in the middle of a divorce?
Baby, go back and take a psych 100 course, and look up "most stressful situations in your whole life"
Number 1 is death of a spouse, Number 2 is divorce.
Now you tell me, will the new parent (don't care who gets the baby) will be a better or worse parent going through raising a baby while divorcing? I've raised kids (I'm the at-home parent) and that first baby is scary!
You need two parents FFS!!!!
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Vicki Larson
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09:55 AM on 01/20/2011
@MarcEdward — of course I am being sarcastic. But, you don't "need" two parents, thus so many choice moms (and more all the time!). I do agree that it's a helluva lot easier, though.
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MarcEdward
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05:24 PM on 01/13/2011
I sure hope the writer is being sarcastic.
BTW, if you're divorced twice
(1) Maybe you should give up on marrying anybody
(2) You should let people know in advance you don't really understand how to make a relationship last
JMO
02:26 PM on 01/13/2011
"but these (my) kids handled the divorce well" is such a common phrase and who really knows? How do you determine a child handles divorce well? People are selfish and see what they want. I have yet to hear a parent say their divorced messed up their kids. Front page of Huffington Post today has a homeless divorced mother of two, who I'm sure claims her divorce hasn't hurt her kids, but oops! they're in a one-income household that's now a zero-income household.
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Vicki Larson
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09:59 AM on 01/20/2011
@wiliamwilliam2 — Good question. I made sure my kids had a lot of support in those first post-divorce years but, sure, there were issues. Now that they are older, we talk openly about their feelings about what happened and why. If anything, we all communicate better. Their dad and I have a good relationship, and they see we're supportive of each other.

Perfect? No! But, according to my boys, not so bad.

In any event, someone needs to keep future shrinks in business, don't you think? ;-)
02:00 PM on 01/13/2011
Why wait until the child is born? One you have the father's DNA, your child support payments are virtually guaranteed.
01:21 PM on 01/13/2011
The risk at divorcing with very young children is that one parent can easily fall away and leave the child experiencing life without that parent. Contact with both parents is generally a very good thing for a child.
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Susan Pease Gadoua
12:44 PM on 01/13/2011
This notion is interesting and disturbing at the same time! And certainly thought-provoking!
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MarcEdward
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05:24 PM on 01/13/2011
A rather modest proposal.
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peegan
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12:30 PM on 01/13/2011
There is no easy answer to this one. I have seen friends whose parents divorced at varying ages and all seem to have had negative reactions. Frankly, I think divorce is too damn easy and we expect happiness to come too easily also. If there is abuse, run, run, run. Nothing mitigates that. But if there isn't and there are kids, I think one has the obligation to do everything to keep the marriage together.
 
 
 
 
11:40 AM on 01/13/2011
Interesting! If the point is that we're not paying all that much attention to developmental stages in the face of parenting apart, it's also important to note that attachment (up through about age 1) can be handled quite well while living separately. Research tends to support that it's the quality of the attachment to the parents, not the quantity - even with babies. There are ways to avoid attachment disorders and the related issues by being warmly attentive to a baby's cries for assistance (being held, diaper change, hunger, etc.). Just being present doesn't cut the mustard, and living apart doesn't mean all is lost.
11:32 AM on 01/13/2011
Divorce is difficult thing for children no matter what age they are at. I think it is crazy to think divorce is better for babies to go through because they wont remember. Developmental they wont have the right kind of support they need. My parents spilt when newly born and their decision still affects me. There is never a good time to get a divorce.
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logic123
God Didn't Make Man; Man Made Gods.
12:03 PM on 01/13/2011
I disagree. My daughter never knew what it was like for her dad and I to be together yet she's very well adjusted to multiple homes and an extended loving family. A divorce after she'd lived with us together for five or six years would of been devastating.
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Erinaleks
Architectural Artisan, Free Thinker
11:27 AM on 01/13/2011
What I have found about the site on divorce it is an echo chamber.
Being male and giving the quote"oppositions"
Point of view,at least half of my posts never get
Published. Now how in the work are genders
Going to come to an understanding when a
Quote liberal web site censors other points
Of view. I am hardly a right wingnut. No
Wonder this country on marriage is a mess.
We deserve it.
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Erinaleks
Architectural Artisan, Free Thinker
10:59 AM on 01/13/2011
Vicki, I agree with you in theory. The demographics have
changed. I can't imagine a sane person
Getting married in this day and age.
The legal industrial complex is a monster
That feeds on the misery of others.
I raised my kids as a single dad. My ex
threw them out of her house. I might ad
Only then did the courts start to listen to me.
My perspective on marriage is 180 degree
of what is used to be. Never would I subject
Myself to such a rotten institution. The feminists
called it slavery in the 60's and 70's. couldn't
Agree more!
10:24 AM on 01/13/2011
I have a better idea. Do everyone a favor and get the divorce before ever starting any kids.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
12:59 PM on 01/13/2011
@shawnie5 — well, yes, but then I'd have nothing to write about ;-)