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Vicki Larson

Vicki Larson

Posted: November 26, 2010 11:46 AM

I thought I was pretty prepared to become a divorced mom. Once I had decided that I could no longer stay in my 14-year marriage after months of therapy, soul-searching, self-help book reading -- although admittedly not enough financial savvy -- I then put all my energy into exploring how to create as happy and healthy a life for my two boys, then 9 and 12.

After a few sessions of relatively amicable meetings with a mediator -- mostly because we were too cheap to rack up a $250-an-hour bill -- we decided on 50-50 shared custody.

In the month or so after our divorce was final, it seemed to be working well until a previously benign event threatened to be its undoing. The back-to-school packet arrived one mid-August day, stuffed with colorful forms, fundraising requests and permission slips, including the contact form requiring the address and phone number of my kids' primary residence.

I was stumped. Now, this was not the first time in my life as a mom that I have been stumped; try explaining why the sky is blue to a 4-year-old or quartiles, boxes and whiskers to a middle-schooler and you'll know what I mean. So, like most parents, I'd developed a few tricks to sound reasonably intelligent when, honestly, I had no clue -- fudging, half-truths, diversion and the ever-popular "Because I said so" among them.

But I couldn't rely on my tricks this time because my kids didn't have a primary residence anymore -- they had two residences, aka Mom's house and Dad's house. And this is a constant dilemma that faces any parent sharing custody: Who's the main contact?

It seems like a no-brainer to me: There isn't one. There are two, Mom and Dad.

Why, with around 50 percent of marriages ending in divorce, are we still thinking in these terms? Why do so many still treat divorced people as if they're an intact unit? Why do we continuing using a system that excludes a parent?

It isn't just school forms and notices, of course. It's almost anything the touches our kids' lives, from permission slips for gymnastics competitions to schedules for post-Little League game snacks to postcard reminders from the pediatrician of an upcoming appointment to birthday party invitations.

And you can pretty much guess whose mailbox or voicemail it all ends up in -- Mom's.

Not that I mind -- it's information I want and need to know and am accustomed to handling. But, I'm pretty sure their dad wants to know, too, especially if Billy's birthday party happens to fall on a weekend when he's in charge.

What it does is force moms to be micromanagers and messengers. I happily took on those roles when I was married. Now it just seems exhausting, amicable divorce or not. And if something falls through the cracks -- and things are always falling through the cracks when you're co-parenting -- it creates stress, disappointment and frustration between former spouses, and maybe even some passive-aggressive behaviors. If I wanted to live like that, I would have stayed married!

By continuing to think in terms that diss dads -- and sometimes moms -- what are we really saying about marital and post-marital equality? The subtle message is that dads are second-class, that they don't care -- or care enough. I know lots of divorced dads who would disagree.

Granted, having to mail two sets of paperwork, send two Evites or leave two voicemails is a bit of a burden. It isn't always eco-friendly, either. Maybe that's what's behind the idea of "troubled" divorced families; what people really mean is that we're just plain trouble.

I suppose it would be nice if we divorced types could divvy up the parenting duties according to our interests, availability and strengths, and then share what we need to. Honestly, though -- if we could do that, we probably wouldn't be divorced.

 
 
 

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hismuse
03:42 PM on 12/01/2010
My husband, as a father, is always ignored except when it comes to money. He asks to take his daughter out for lunch and she never allows it. All she wants from him is his money and he's been without work for 2 years now. Every year she asks for money to buy school clothes and every year he tells her he'd gladly take her out school shopping, nope, she just wants the money.
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Mark Godbey
11:05 AM on 12/01/2010
Dr. Richard Warshak wrote a great piece about why their is no such thing as a "primary" parent, and why it causes so many problems when institutions, courts and feminists make the assumption that such exists. But he also father's rights groups are also as wrong as feminist's groups. It is not about them, its about the children.

http://mkg4583.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/the-primary-parent-presumption-primarily-meaningless/

To quote Dr. Warshak,

"Briefly, the argument goes that since women are more involved in primary caregiving, they deserve custody. Fathers’-rights advocates respond that it is unfair to penalize men for reduced involvement with their children, since they are only fulfilling society’s notions of the man’s role as the family’s breadwinner. Neither side’s arguments are compelling. Both are blinded by the pre-19th century premise that children are property to be “awarded” to the rightful owner.

Both sides miss the point that a custody decision should be guided by the needs of the child not the parents’ sense of entitlement."

Dr. Stephen Baskerville's book "Taken into Custody" is one of the best books written on this subject, and details the massive federal government entitlement grants to states and counties to destroy family by making one parent the "primary" parent.
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hismuse
03:39 PM on 12/01/2010
Can you talk to my husband's ex-wife? =)
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
08:54 AM on 11/30/2010
In America, Dads always get the WORST end of the deal.
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hismuse
03:38 PM on 12/01/2010
For most cases, that is true, very very true. Most courts just automatically consider the mother the main parent.
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Lee Block
Post-Divorce Coach and Author
07:52 AM on 11/30/2010
I also know Dad's that would disagree, but I was married to one who gets everything and participates in nothing. He takes his weekends, but is completely uninvolved in the education, and gave up his rights to it. He gets notice on everything, but never goes to a parent/teacher conference, takes the kids to birthday parties, fills out a form or goes to a sports game. And, he is aware and invited to them all.

For those parents that are like that, they should not have the right to it all. For those that are involved, they absolutely should. But, despite all of that, he is still on every piece of paperwork that I fill out and always in the address book for the school and is always the emergency contact. After all, he is still the father.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
03:07 AM on 12/01/2010
I respectfully disagree, Lee.

Let each parent have access to information — that is a right.

What is done with that information is up to each parent. If a dad or mom chooses not to participate, well, that's sad but it's that parent's choice.

Just don't have someone decide beforehand what information he or she should receive.

We can't control how an ex behaves, but we can give him/her the chance to be an equal partner.
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Mark Godbey
11:21 AM on 12/01/2010
I agree Lee. I know several dads that are not and were never involved with their children. Sure, they always made child support, but they were "emotional deadbeat dads." I have struggled 11-years fighting for any time share with my children, but my ex moved 45-miles away when the court increased time share, and because she was the "primary" parent under law, she could get away with the move, and the courts were duplicitous in her efforts to destroy and marginalize my relationship with my children.
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Lee Block
Post-Divorce Coach and Author
11:35 AM on 12/01/2010
Thank you Mark, and it sucks that you have had this struggle, which is all too often common. Our decree says where I can move within a certain mile radius. While he can go where he wants. Just another way in Texas of keeping the little woman in line, but that's okay, because it would not occur to me to move my kids out of reach of their father. It is just as important that they have the chance to have a relationship with him, even if he doesn't actively seek one.
05:50 PM on 11/29/2010
Thank you for this article Vicki, it is so hard, even in families where the parents truly try to coparent - imagine how much harder it is for fathers that have exes that simply don't want to share the information! We always tell clients to go directly to the source, whether it's the school, doctor, coaches, or anyone else involved in their children's lives, because depending on the ex can only lead to problems. My ex and I get along and coparent extremely well, but even living 2 streets away from each other dates for dentist appts get messed up, party invitations get lost, and the wrong parent gets called when one of the kids is sick at school. Luckily our kids are on top of things and will tell both parents things, have the school call both parents or at least the parent they are with that week, etc, but it's a mindset that needs to be changed amongst organizations that deal with children.
Guest211
Stars Exploded to Make Me
03:00 PM on 11/29/2010
Vicki,

Your work got written up elsewhere. Hope you saw this.

http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/?p=11340

Congrats on a great article.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
10:59 PM on 11/29/2010
Thanks, I didn't see that.
Of course, now all I can focus on is the error — I'm off to change it right now!
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mjegan59
12:34 PM on 11/29/2010
After posting my last comment I read through the comments on the board. It's so painful to read other people's experiences - from mom's wondering about what to say to kids whose dads don't show up to dads who desperately want to father their children but are blocked by the courts from doing so. We live in a world of great variety and we can all admit our experiences are widely varied.

My advice, and the advice i try to live by, is to make every moment with our children count. If the time is limited then all the more reason to make it count. Not Disneyland, not fantasy worlds, but real face-to-face time with our children. Letting them know they are loved, having tea parties, sitting at the ocean watching the sun set, going on hikes, spending real time where the child knows and understands that she is cared for, protected, safe and nurtured.

I am a 50-50 father who got the 80-20 "standard plan." I want more time, I continue to ask the Court for more time, I try to stay optimistic for more time. But i never miss a date with my daughter, i never miss a child support payment, and i always make myself emotionally available to my little girl. Always. That means since I have Wednesday afternoons, and every other weekend, I take work off, shut off my cell phone, turn off my computer and BE with her and her alone.
12:34 PM on 11/29/2010
I think this article hits on many of the frustrations of being a single parent. Thank you, Vicki.

I do want to say that good co-parenting is possible, though it takes work. Just like ALL parenting takes work! My daughter-in-laws parents were really good at this, though they had no role models and had to make it up as they went along. Again, just like ALL parenting. And, guess what -- they aren't perfect and neither is anyone else. I'm not saying everyone can do this; I certainly could not. But it can be done.

In my own case, I was the one and only real parent. My own ex was mentally ill and institutionalized. I think Vicki's point is well-taken, though. The frustration of being treated as something weird because we were not an intact family just takes its toll on you, when you are doing everything possible to keep it all together and to raise a good person, too!

Well, I came out on the other side. To all of you still working this out - and it sounds like there are quite a few of you still in it - good luck. The children will grow up and will learn their own lessons. If they have one good parent and lots of love, they will be fine. It's up to each of us to get over any hard feelings we have and put the focus where it should be.
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mjegan59
12:16 PM on 11/29/2010
Thank you Vicky. Let's remember that people in crappy situations tend to be over-represented in forums like this one. For those of us who are involved active parents (and dads like me) in our children's lives even after divorce what Vicky writes is so very true. The courts are at a transitional point with regard to equal parenting - there is a major shift happening with dads taking larger roles in their children's lives from birth onward and of course in this economy with many dads being out of work and therefore the "primary parent." Courts are still stuck in the "traditional family" mindset of moms providing the bulk of care.

The concept of the "primary parent" is a holdover from the old days when the home was mom's domain and the paycheck was dad's responsibility. What do we do with two income, shared parenting families? The concept of "primary parenting" has shifted in many families (admittedly more often with educated middle class families) from a 95%-5% split to something much closer to 50%-50% split (even if it's 60%-40%).

Courts should try to think about dad having more time than just "visits" with the children. Short visits are very difficult to manage because the children often don't have all of the comforts of home in their dad's home and limited time to establish rules. With more time (and more available money) dads may do more to make their houses into comfortable homes for their children.
10:02 AM on 11/30/2010
One of the biggest mistakes I ever made in my marriage was to agree (mutually) with my now ex-Wife to pursue a "traditional" family with her as stay-at-home Mom. Quaint concept.

We lived in a part of the country where $100K income supports a lower middle class lifestyle. Her giving up her job cut our family income ~40%. My degrees and job skills and the proximity of our extended families left little flexibility to relocate. So the financial pressure was squarely on my shoulders.

Granted, she was a good Mother. But I worked very hard in a demanding job against a backdrop of a very challenging economy. I survived layoff after layoff. I never missed school or family events. I helped with housework, taxi driving, homework, school events, etc.

After 16 years of marriage SHE decided she wanted more. Like her older siblings - whom had divorced decent and successful spouses - she filed for divorce asking for full physical custody (kids ages 10+)

The court and her narrow-minded greedy lawyer saw the situation like this: You sir are the breadwinner. Your wife has no marketable skills. So she can't earn ANYTHING. Leave the marital home. Find an apartment near your job. See your children every 2nd weekend. Pay-up. Go away!

I told my lawyer if that was the final outcome, just shoot me now. I fought 3 years for minor improvement. It was hell.

Warning to Dads: think twice before agreeing to traditional family.
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Brooklyn73
08:42 AM on 11/29/2010
I don't believe in co-parenting that is why I asked for primary physical custody in the divorce. If two people can co-parent equally against all odds, God bless them.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
08:51 AM on 11/29/2010
So, does that mean your former spouse gets to see the kids? How often? And, is it just "baby-sitting" them?
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Brooklyn73
09:16 AM on 11/29/2010
My former spouse had no interest in our child when we were married and has less interest now that we are divorce. His status is "uncle daddy". He comes when it is convenient for his schedule. Still my daughter loves him and treats him kindly. That's all that really matters.
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
04:14 PM on 11/29/2010
Would you still reject co-parenting if men were usually awarded full custody of the children?
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For Fathers
The entire court system has become criminal
07:46 AM on 11/29/2010
Kristin Ruggiero She mocked him. She laughed at him. (She said) 'I took all your money, I took your daughter and now I am going to take your career',"
This statement is a very common, my ex made the exact same.
Empowered by America's Volksgericht (People's Court) it is very common the have your children taken from you, your career destroyed fighting to be a father while losing everything you have.
America's Volksgericht (People's Court) is as sadistic as any in the world destroying famlies in the name of money.
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For Fathers
The entire court system has become criminal
07:56 AM on 11/29/2010
For every Kristin Ruggiero that goes to jail. There are literally millions that with the aid of America's Volksgeric­ht (People's Court) carry out their threat.
Guest211
Stars Exploded to Make Me
06:44 AM on 11/29/2010
The case of Kristin Ruggiero makes a HUGE statement about Family court.

The attached story happened AFTER the case was heard in Family court. What's amazing is that in Family Court, it was determined that it was in "the best interest of the child" to have this woman making decisions on behalf of the child.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Plotting+ex-wife+gets+7-14+years+in+jail&articleId=14addb23-2910-4e11-8279-d6466abd6fe5

There is also a HUGE statement made about the Family Court system.

"She mocked him. She laughed at him. (She said) 'I took all your money, I took your daughter and now I am going to take your career'," Assistant County Attorney Jerome Blanchard said in court yesterday. He said Ruggiero's folly came because claims in criminal court had to be backed up -- unlike in family court where she made repeated claims about ex-husband's behavior. "Unfortunately for her, we're not in family court anymore," Blanchard said.

It seems all we learned about our court system (i.e. "with liberty & justice for all", Lady Justice blindfolded with balanced scales, evidence vs hearsay, innocent until proven guilty, entitled to due process) are really only concepts for criminal court.

Seems like somebody has failed. Either those involved in the family court system... or those in the Education Department who taught us otherwise.
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
04:22 PM on 11/29/2010
The amazing thing about this case is that she was actually prosecuted. It's pretty rare that a women is prosecuted for abusing a protection order.
05:07 PM on 11/28/2010
I told my ex husband that any mistakes he made would be rubbed in his face when the kids became teens, because that's what teens do. Then I let go of the need to make him perfect. It was all on him after that.

The kids get the truth every time, whatever that is. I don't give opinions or comments. And when he messes up, I tell them that I'm sorry that their feelings are hurt and that they should talk to their Dad about it directly about it. I encourage and empower them to tell him how it makes them feel when he does such things.

It is important for them to feel supported in their feelings, and it helps them develop a relationship with their Dad. The more I do this, the less of a Bad Guy I am to them! Win/win!
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:39 PM on 11/28/2010
Amen!
06:41 PM on 11/28/2010
I'm trying to do this, too. With all the different relationships my teens have. Especially with boys our society tends to squelch feelings and emotions. Then we get to anger down the road, IMHO.

http://indie-mom.blogspot.com/
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
04:33 PM on 11/28/2010
Les:

I believe that Vicki's original article was about the need to behave like adults and cooperate as parents.

It appears that the original intent of this thread has been hijacked by a lot of very bitter ex spouses.
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Les Burns
Where's my badge and why no mens section?
04:13 PM on 11/29/2010
Does you giving the impression on here of being a man make your opinion more credible?
If your addressing me why didn't you reply to my post...you do have my name in your mouth?
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
12:08 AM on 12/02/2010
Les...

Sorry, but your response makes no sense. Could you please rephrase it?
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Les Burns
Where's my badge and why no mens section?
04:22 PM on 11/28/2010
Are husbands who are victims of divorce,welcome here?
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cornel
wuf wuf
05:08 PM on 11/28/2010
First they need to make a big donation, then get anal yzed, then maybe.
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Les Burns
Where's my badge and why no mens section?
04:11 PM on 11/29/2010
right!
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:40 PM on 11/28/2010
I don't think anyone's a "victim" of divorce. If it takes two to make a "good" marriage, it takes two to mess it up, just perhaps not equally.
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Les Burns
Where's my badge and why no mens section?
04:10 PM on 11/29/2010
i didn't mean victims as far as casting blame. I meant men who are victims of having a divorce It just seems to me and apparently to other men that this divorce section here at Huff Post is predominated with a female-centric pov and anything by men that isn't "Oprah" approved, is censored. How can this be an "open" discussion, when one side of the divorce equation is silenced or ostracized if it isn't politically correct for female consumption? Thanks.