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Why Divorce Doesn't Always End A Relationship

Posted: 05/21/2012 2:05 am

Here's how most of us who are thinking about leaving our marriage imagine divorce will be like: We've had it with our partner (or perhaps he's decided the same about us and casts us aside, but let's just say we're the ones who want out and let's say we're the woman because women ask for divorce two-thirds of the time). We think -- finally, freedom.

Now we no longer have to feel the brunt of his anger and criticism; we can stop nagging about how he doesn't pull his weight around the house; we won't have to fake being in the mood when we're not, and we get to do and eat and watch whatever we want whenever we want to.

And, we have the kids, so we don't have to bicker anymore over whose turn it is to bathe them or whether they can have ice cream for dessert if they didn't finish everything on their dinner plate.

Not so fast.

Maybe that was what divorce was like back in the day when moms were almost always awarded full custody and dads could "visit" their kids. But those days are rapidly disappearing, according to University of Sydney law professor Patrick Parkinson, whose new book, "Family Law and the Indissolubility of Parenthood" (Cambridge University Press, 2011), details the major shift in family law and the incredible challenges ahead.

"Many of the conflicts about family law in the Western world today derive from the breakdown of the model on which divorce reform was predicated in the late 1960s and early 1970s," he writes. The model he discusses assumed that divorce was a clean break; husband went his way, wife went hers and all was good. "The assumption was that once the property and the children had been allocated to one household or the other, each parent was autonomous. The divorce freed him or her from being entangled with the life of the other parent, except to a limited extent," Parkinson writes.

But rarely has that been true. Most divorcees learn relatively quickly that although we're no longer married and living together, we still have to deal with our former spouse in their continuing role as our kids' mom or dad. He or she still has a say, and can nix our plans to move away for a new job or a new love. Divorce is no longer the end of a relationship; it's a "restructuring of a continuing relationship."

Which has made some of us as miserable divorced as we were in our marriage.

"People in unhappy marriages do not look to divorce as a way to restructure the relationship with their partners. They look to divorce to end that relationships, to set them free to start a new life, perhaps to move to a new location and to form new relationships," Parkinson says.

But, not if you have kids. As Parkinson notes, "The experience of the last forty years has shown that whereas marriage may be freely dissoluble, parenthood is not."

And a huge reason for the battles in family courts has been the "problem" of fatherhood, he says. It used to be that dads were mostly absent; now, he notes, we can't get rid of dads: "Separation motivates some fathers to rethink their priorities and to try to maintain their connections to children even if this means struggle and conflict. Because fathers demand a greater involvement in their children's lives after separation, there has been increasing conflict both at a policy level and at the individual level of litigated cases." And it's happening globally.

This is, of course, something to celebrate -- dads wanting to be with their kids. Who wouldn't want dads to be hands-on in a shared-parenting arrangement instead of mom having sole custody? Well, a lot of people, according to Parkinson. Although national statistics are hard to come by, a 2008 study of seven states he cites in his book indicates a dramatic increase in custody filings -- 44 percent between 1997 and 2006 -- at the same time that divorces had decreased in the U.S. by 3 percent.

Throw into the mix all sorts of new ways of partnering -- from cohabitation to same-sex civil unions -- and already convoluted and outdated family laws are being stretched in ways they can no longer handle, he says.

Unfortunately, whatever legal changes have occurred so far haven't been driven by a "philosophical shift in the meaning of divorce," but piecemeal and too often driven by "destructive gender conflict."

For Parkinson, it's clear we must get our act together. "Family law cannot continue to muddle through, caught between two irreconcilable conceptualizations of what divorce is all about," he says.

We can't keep ignoring the fact that divorce doesn't end a relationship but just transforms it if kids are involved. Parenthood creates "enduring connections, ties that outlast the severance of the adult relationship," Parkinson writes, and those ties have all sorts of ramifications for couples, kids and governments.

"The promise of personal autonomy and a new beginning that the divorce revolution offered has proven largely to be an illusion. Yes, people can make fresh starts and form new partnerships, but most cannot shred the connections with former relationships when there are children involved," he says.

"Facing up to the indissolubility of parenthood is one of the great challenges of our time."

What has your family law experience been?

A version of this appeared on Vicki Larson's blog, the OMG Chronicles.

 
 
 

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12:28 AM on 07/03/2012
People in unhappy marriages do not look to divorce as a way to restructure the relationship with their partners. They look to divorce to end that relationships, to set them free to start a new life, Then why is permanent alimony so often awarded in the state of Florida. This allows the phyisical and emotional aspect of the marriage to end but not the financial ties to end. There must be closure so that both sides can heal. Please support the end to Permanent Alimony in the State of Florida.
03:50 PM on 05/23/2012
After 40 years as a lawyer, I have seen the law regarding divorce and support go through many changes, but ultimately, it always comes down to the anger and hate the parties bring to the divorce, usually long after the children have felt the effects of that hate and anger. We have a requirement that divorcing parents with minor children attend parenting classes, but it rarely helps in cases where the parents will not let go of their anger and hate. The children should have some counseling that continues through and after the divorce in those cases.
08:10 AM on 05/24/2012
What in any of that entitles divorce lawyers to bill divorcing households tens of thousands of dollars while providing no value?

What value does a divorce lawyer bring (in return for the cost)?

Divorce lawyers actually engage in tactics that increase the acrimony and conflict ("anger and hate" to use your words) in a divorce.

Acrimony and conflict in a divorce are profitable for the divorce lawyers.

And then -- as you show -- at the end the divorce lawyers take the money and blame the clients.

Divorce lawyers have a "franchise" and they work the franchise to their own benefit/profit rather than the benefit of the divorcing household.

Divorce reform is needed.
12:49 PM on 05/23/2012
If you want a 2012-ready divorce, maybe don't use a pre-2002 divorce lawyer.

A divorce lawyer with 10, 15, 20, 30+ years of experience is conditioned to facilitating the ruthless separation of children from fathers in a divorce and desensitized to the harm suffered by the children (if ever sensitive in the first place).

In my case, the divorce lawyers (including the GAL) collectively had over 100 years (the least having 28 years) of experience in the practice of divorce law.

To a man (all men), they believed that children (and money) should go to the mother.

My divorce lawyer (40 years of experience), after a year-plus and about $40,000 in billings in the case told me that he thought "children do better with their mothers".

I asked him why he didn't tell me that at the start of the case (before cashing my retainer check); he assured me that he "could still represent" me "effectively" despite his personal views. But he was ineffective (and expensive) -- a very poor advocate.

Seasoned divorce lawyers seem to believe that the purpose of a divorce is to generate legal fees and that all clients are bad clients.

The best thing I did in my case was to be my own attorney. I stuck to the facts and tried to be efficient (while the other divorce lawyers complained and wished that I still had a divorce lawyer).

My children and I were ultimately successful with an equal placement outcome.
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07:32 PM on 05/22/2012
I never understood why anyone would choose 10-15 years of continuing bitter litigation (and paying for two lawyers and two separate households) instead of just waiting until the kids were grown. It's not as if people can't look around them and see what happens whenever there is a divorce with kids involved.
09:53 PM on 05/22/2012
Bad advice. That is why.

Divorce lawyers won't tell you the reality of divorce with kids -- potential clients would flee without fee.

Divorce is an opportunity for divorce lawyers to convert a divorcing household's assets into legal fees paid, the college savings and orthodontia fund for the children of the divorcing household into the college/orthodontia fund for the children of the divorce lawyers.

That is all it is.
05:02 AM on 05/28/2012
I agree!
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10:04 PM on 05/22/2012
@Donald DiPaula — Lots of people do exactly that. While it makes it easier at the time for the kids, many feel pimped when their parents divorce after they head off to college. Plus, studies show that a high-conflict marriage is just as damaging as a high-conflict divorce. If couples are able to put aside their egos and greed, they can divorce and co-parent without a lot of drama.
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12:42 PM on 05/23/2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/04/AR2005110402304.html

According to this article (which is a little dated), there is no such thing as a "good" divorce, no matter how selfless the parents may be.

If two-thirds of divorces are from low-conflict marriages, there is something seriously wrong going on, and we're passing along this disease of ennui onto our children, and the cycle will continue unabated.
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06:56 PM on 05/23/2012
I've long suspected that it is frequently -- although unlikely always -- more emotionally devastating for late-teen/young adults to face their parents' divorce than it is for younger children. Wouldn't this especially be the case if the parents have put on a really good show of getting along and having a seemingly healthy marriage? Talk about pulling the rug out from under the kids... when they're older and bigger, it's a longer and harder fall to the ground.
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02:29 PM on 05/22/2012
Surprising to see a cautionary tale (however subtle) in HuffPo illustrating the demands and consequences of divorce rather than celebrating its freedoms for the adults and benefits to the children! Parkinson even goes so far as to state that, "Facing up to the indissolubility of parenthood is one of the great challenges of our time." This must be hard to swallow for the "Eat, Pray, Love" contingency of thrill seekers who equate their levels of adrenaline with how happy and well adjusted their children will be post divorce.

Like it or not, men are wired different than women and have been trained by cultural expectation NOT TO FEEL. This is the number one impulsive defense mechanism that men must arduously guard against because its effect on our youth has been PROVEN to be devastating. While many women celebrate "shared custody" because it allows more time to satiate self gratification impulses, most family oriented men are "all or nothing" character types and it can be emotionally challenging for them to only be in their children's lives half of the time. But it CAN be learned and it MUST be adapted to for the children's sake. Women do have it easier post divorce, as another man will always pull over to help them change their flat tire while we are left to bang our knuckles bloody but guess what, women also reap less of the reward, simply because we as fathers, did not give up on ourselves or our children...
12:34 PM on 05/22/2012
So here's the big question for VL and everybody else - if parenting creates a bond you can't break, even with divorce, what should we be doing differently?

Should it change how we enter a marriage and parenting?

Should moms not marry in order to keep their independence?

How should family law handle this? How should society help the couple with kids who are considering divorce or getting divorced?
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04:46 PM on 05/22/2012
@Book Queen — Good questions and while I'm not sure I have answers I do believe we must marry differently, and that is why Susan Pease Gadoua and I are writing "The New I Do: Reshaping Marriage for Cynics, Commitaphobes and Connubial DIYers" (http://thenewidobook.com/).

If our goal is to reduce divorce, then we must look at why marriage isn't working for about half of the population. And, instead of looking at divorce as "failure" (because sometimes divorce is necessary), we as a society must support people instead of condemn and help families of all kinds. How that's going to shape up is, as Parkinson says, "is one of the great challenges of our time." Living together and having kids is not the answer nor is choice parenting.
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05:56 PM on 05/22/2012
Women write these books (for and about women) just about every five years. Unless there are radical changes in the laws governing marriage and divorce, whatever cosmetic suggestions that come from these books every few years seem comforting (to women), but rarely speak to men at all in any way.
12:35 PM on 05/23/2012
What is choice parenting?
10:02 PM on 05/22/2012
The reality is that a divorce is not a divorce until the parenting/children support obligations end.

How about this -- call a divorce proceeding a "separation" until the children reach adulthood. Divide up assets; keep child custody/placement equal with each parent during the separation.

When the children reach adulthood the separation converts into a divorce.

Then people would realize what they are getting into in a divorce proceeding. If you file for a divorce with a one year-old child, then you have a 18-year divorce proceeding.
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02:12 AM on 05/23/2012
@715W — That seems like a bit of semantics, plus, as the author notes, there are instances that complicate shared custody, such as an abusive former spouse.
12:27 PM on 05/23/2012
This would definitely get the point home to parents. So would you be allowed to date? What if you wanted to re-marry? And what if one parent really was abusive or addicted to gambling or something - would you be able to have a cut-off divorce then?
12:32 PM on 05/22/2012
Fascinating article. Just wanted to check - do you at all think we should go back to the days when a divorce with kids still meant a complete split?
12:28 PM on 05/22/2012
This is just one reason why this childfree chick has not dated a man with kids since1982.
11:45 AM on 05/22/2012
Divorce is a very complicated issue most especially if it involves emotion and children. Whatever happens there will always be effected parties.
11:43 AM on 05/22/2012
This proves one important step that must be kept in mind in preparation of getting married. Both sides need to keep their eyes on the ball of shared values and purpose and really mean it when they say; "We will all verily abide by the Will of God". It is this commitment to shared values, this sacred triangle that protects the sacred ground of marriage from inevitable storms and if divorce be inevitable, as the last resort, it protects the parenting captains from sinking the ship for the sake of the precious passengers sailing on it and save both parents from cutting the baby into half! Keyvan Geula LMFT
08:07 AM on 05/22/2012
We're both divorced but I just married my wife who left a 20 year marriage filled with abuse. Get this - about 3 years prior he decided he "..needed to find himself..." and started seeing a woman WHILE he was married to my now wife. You like that ? It gets better. It wasn't a her, it was a him dressed like a a her but without the plumbing. He took this trans confusion to office parties, picnics WITH my now wife openly.

She had no skills and 4 near grown kids to parent through this nightmare solo. So she decided to stick it out and soldier through for her kids. They came through it but they have some skars they don't talk about.

After my wife left him he ditched the he/she and wanted her back. No go. The door was shut and ties cut. She worked and went to school and is now a professional on her own elbow grease. All this after she put him through college.

This Ahole has never discussed this period of turmoil with his now 20+ year old children who are trapped into trying to find a way to respect the man they know as their father and its difficult for them. Particularly while he's bad mouthing their mother nonstop.

We are careful not to ever say anything disparaging about the man but he is loathsome. He is known to whine now because the kids don't want to be around him.
07:57 AM on 05/22/2012
I really think the laws should be modified with divorce and child support. It should be an equal balance between both parties.
01:39 PM on 05/22/2012
I think child support should be equal and fair. To me that means that the person who earns more will pay more. It also means that if one parent was home with the kids for a time or made other career sacrifices, they will get some kind of payment to make their incomes more equal. And it means that if the couple is older and has been together a long time, one partner may have to support or partially support the other forever.
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02:40 PM on 05/22/2012
So a woman who stays at home has no incentive to get a job after the split. And in the case of older couples (whatever that means), let's be real - the man supports the woman forever.

That's already largely true in both cases. Thanks for laying out clearly why marriage is a raw deal for men. Explains why there's not much interest in it by young guys, despite the "man up" shaming language from feminists and conservatives both.
08:12 AM on 05/24/2012
How about child support being based on what is actually being spent to support the child?
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01:43 AM on 05/22/2012
Bickering over what to watch on the tube, etc. is not grounds for divorce in my marriage... I'm just sayin' lol
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10:27 PM on 05/21/2012
Reminds me of something I read: "If s/he was a jerk when you were married, what makes you think divorce is going to change that?" Usually whatever negative characteristics each has become magnified in the power struggle. Our marital paradigm is not working. As long as we think divorce is bad, kids will think something "bad" has happened to them. Marriages begin in love and can be seen as ending in love, as each partner pursues his next growth phase. As long as kids feel separated and deprived of one parent, or in the middle of conflict, they will continue to be hurt. We need to raise kids in communes, jointly, or in some more cooperative way that reduces conflict.
10:57 PM on 05/21/2012
With all due respect ... your comments are a bit too mushy and feel good ... and in most case, not realistic. "Ending in love" is rarely an option ... but both parents behaving as adults and putting their children first should be. Unfortunately in today's "me first" world, this is rarely realistic either.
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12:43 AM on 05/22/2012
We need to raise mature, responsible adults who know themselves well enough to understand whether they truly value themselves, children and vows BEFORE they marry. I can surround myself with infinite "positive characteristics" before venturing off onto a highway to get run over by a car but the end result will still be tragic. Last time I checked, sprinkling denial "pixie dust" on everything does absolutely nothing to help heal hurting children but maybe if we just believe that starvation is good, hunger will simply go away...
10:23 PM on 05/21/2012
A relationship is in the mind.

It might be a Girl friend or wife.

One might think to have ended it under Law.

The relationship exists in the mind.

You might get a divorce legally.

The memories, good or bad still linger.

No man or woman is wholly good or wholly bad.

Even after legal separation, these memories linger.

Again, we normally are not aware and are reluctant to admit our short comings in a relationship.

It is only when we enter into a new relationship do we find that we get the doubt that we have our own shortcomings.

So the maladjustment leaves a scar in our psyche.

To remain in a relationship trying to bear with a partner who is incompatible and cruel is also a pain.

Is this why people say ‘Marriages are made in Heaven?” ,for better or worse-substitute relationship for marriage.

If the relationship is parents/siblings, children?

You can not divorce these.

In Sanskrit there are two words to describe these relationships.

One is Sondham, the other is Bandham.

Sondham is a relationship which is not your choosing-parents,siblings and children. You are stuck with it.

Bandham is what we choose( this might be wrong as well)-wife, acquaintances-you may be able to discard them.