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Victoria Jones

Victoria Jones

Posted: August 16, 2010 11:22 AM

For a few minutes on Friday night (and before the PR debacle on Saturday) it seemed like a grownup had weighed in on the Ground Zero mosque mess, but not for long. President Obama had the nerve - the temerity - to say that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. Including on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. Gosh. This mild observation caused veins to pop, minds to boggle and political self preservation, bigotry, prejudice, venom, fear and hatred to spurt all over the media.

Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich are hyperventilating to outdo each other in over-reacting to the President's remarks at the Iftar Dinner he hosted at the White House.

Sarah Palin wants Obama to get the "Muslim mosque" developers to take up New York Governor Paterson's offer to find state land and move it away from GoundZero . She doesn't seem to think it unseemly or odd that a President would pressure a religious group to take state land that they don't want for a private religious building. She doesn't seem to think that there might be a church state conflict. Mind you, she doesn't think there is much of a separation of church and state, and she's OK with America being a Christian nation. Remember when she spoke to the Women of Joy?

Newt Gingrich, an intelligent man who should know better, says "There is nothing surprising in the President's continued pandering to radical Islam. What he said last night is untrue and inaccurate. The fact is, this is not about religious liberty." The fact is that this is. Islam's just not a "popular" religion with non Muslims in America. Newt's idea of freedom of religion in America is be as restrictive towards Muslims as the Saudis are to Christians and Jews.

Dana Perino, former White House Press Secretary, says on Fox on Sunday "Of course, everybody's for religious freedom." I'm sure she is. However, quite apart from Lt. Gov Ron Ramsey ® Tennessee, who suggests that freedom of speech might not apply to Islam because it might be a cult, and Muslims might be invading the US, quite a few people feel that religious freedom should apply to everyone except Muslims, because just maybe they might be up to something.

Florida Democratic Senate candidate Jeff Greene has jumped in, showing some political acumen ( if not cynicism). With a constituency containing many retired New Yorkers, he says "President Obama has this all wrong".

Senator John Cornyn ® Texas says the building of a mosque near Ground Zero is not about religious liberty. Yes, it is. It's about a religion that many people don't understand and are not comfortable with. He also predicts it will become an issue in the fall midterm elections. He's right, it will. It's why Democrats are silently (and some not so silently) fuming - did the President have to drop this into the middle of the summer recess, when cable news is itching for an issue?

Rep Peter King (R) New York, is having some trouble with his memory. Now he says "I support mosques, obviously. I visited many mosques before September 11, and I was one of the first to defend the Muslim community after September 11. He seems to have forgotten that three years ago he'd had enough. "Unfortunately, we have too many mosques in this country."

Do we really need another mosque in New York? New York GOP gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio thinks not, in his latest statement condemning Obama's mosque speech. He's set the limit at 100. Well, do we really need another church? I used to live in Nashville, we had one on almost every corner, and they were still building them when I left. And why not? Mind you, there's a bit of a problem in Murfreesboro - not far away - with an Islamic Center. Some citizens are apparently concerned that Sharia law will be imposed there.

A recent study by Duke and the University of North Carolina concluded that "contemporary mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism".

Let's be clear on a couple of things. Do a few people attend mosques with ill intent towards America, have people hatched plots in mosques, and will it happen again? Yes. That has happened and it will happen again. People have genuine concerns that Cordoba House will be used to foment terror. But this idea that Muslims should be out of sight, out of mind, invisible, untouchables, doesn't address that. Generally speaking, making people welcome and including them in the life of the community discourages them from wishing you harm.

Someone still can, and someone might, foment terror in an Islamic center somewhere north of Canal Street or east of Broadway, instead of at 45 Park Place. However, moving Cordoba House makes 19 dead losers larger than life, it says we're still impacted by you. This is New York we're talking about. The city stands up for itself.

This is about demonizing all Muslims because some of the worst men we can imagine defiled Islam by calling themselves Muslims, murdered 3,000 human beings, and devastated their families. It ignores the fact that Muslims died as victims on September 11, it ignores the fact that Muslims serve in the US military, it ignores the fact that Muslims contribute to the good of our country, it ignores the fact that al Qaeda has killed more Muslims than anyone else.

This isn't who we are. This is sad.

 

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07:11 AM on 08/24/2010
Unbelievable the amount of talk radio time wasted on this made up issue. Appalling the rampant ignorant bigotry on local hosted shows - WWL-AM in New Orleans for example. A clear channel station where the host's attitude is: why don't those unreasonable inflammatory Muslim clerics sit down and negotiate. Flat out bigotry - "Those Muslims attacked us".
As someone who was alive while John Kennedy was president, I have no idea what the big deal was about a Roman Catholic as President. Wikipedia provides a clue: "as some people sought to blame anything they could on Catholics".
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Forget hope. Agitate.
11:56 PM on 08/17/2010
Evangelicals are more of a threat to america and our constitution than muslim-americans will ever be. If people are afraid, and fear is a real factor in this controversy as it was when it lead George Bush to get us into two wars abroad, then that's ok as long as we fear rendering apart our constitution even moroe. If someone's outraged at this mosque and community center in lower Manhattan fine; they're entitled to their outrage but politicians are not entitled to stoke the fires of hate. When they do they're no different than the real terrorists who destroyed so many people's lives on 9/11.
09:59 PM on 08/16/2010
This article puts the lunacy of all of this in perspective. How does this fit with limited government and individual rights?
08:30 PM on 08/16/2010
So right on . Last I heard Al-Queda attacked us on 9/11; not Muslims. Are all Christians White Supremisists? What happened to common sense in this country? Too sad.
08:26 PM on 08/16/2010
Very interesting and well-reasoned article about a topic that seems to inflame rational folks. Thanks, Ms. Jones!
03:42 PM on 08/16/2010
Obama's backtracking on this is very disappointing. It reminds me of the turn-around he gave after his "A More Perfect Union," wherein he explained the nuances behind Reverend Wright and race in America. It was a transcendent piece of American rhetoric that he ruined by denouncing Wright the next week when things became politically inconvenient.
04:48 PM on 08/16/2010
Thanks very much for your comment.
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02:15 PM on 08/16/2010
Heated inanity is what the republicans want to spawn with their self-righteous rhetoric. Currently, they have no desire to govern. It is much easier to expoit the fear and hate of their base and hope that it permeates the general electorate overwhelming any logical arguments so they can regain their power. Banning this Mosque is a victory for Osama Bin Laden and the 19 tools of his massacre. The attack on New York was because the extremist despise our tolerance. American ideals offer a better vision of humanity. Being the tolerant and melting pot country that is the substance of America, we can win more hearts and minds than any oppresive behavior can.
04:46 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you very much for commenting. Your comments are very thought provoking and insightful.
02:05 PM on 08/16/2010
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Just start a web site where people can donate money to purchase the property. If there is more value to people in the Mosque not being built than there is for the Muslim Church in build it than it can be stopped legally without compromising anyone's rightssss.

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04:32 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment.
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Seaniebhoy
01:30 PM on 08/16/2010
HAs anyone actually been to the area that they are proposing this mosque....no....ok just to put this hallowed ground into perspective two blocks from Ground Zero there is the Pussycat Lounge strip bar or there is of course Thunder Lingerie and peep show where they openly display sex toys in the window. In a walk of the streets within three blocks of Ground Zero, the Daily News counted 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 separate salons where a girl can get her lady parts groomed. Hallowed ground indeed.
04:30 PM on 08/16/2010
Thanks co mush for commenting and the great information. Wow.
01:30 PM on 08/16/2010
Americans wake up! Here we have the president, like him or not, fulfilling his oath to defend and uphold the constitution and the sheople of America are led by the nose by a group of opportunistic propagandists to believe he has done something disloyal. Can all Americans be so ignorant? I surely hope not. If anything it should awake us to the fact that these same propagandists will be coming after our rights next if we are so easily hoodwinked. We should be wary of these opportunists who would love to take away our freedoms one at a time or in one fell swoop. Maybe when we start to lose our right to read what we want to, associate with whom we like and think what we want we will snap out of our trance of television, Xbox and MTV and stand up for the principle this country was founded on. Freedom!!
04:30 PM on 08/16/2010
Thanks very much for your comment! Freedom indeed.
12:57 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you Victoria. Great points. I just came back from TN, Chattanooga and there are more churches that grocery stores there but new churches are going up every day. Of note is that most of the radio stations in Chattanooga were really against it and there was a lot of noise being created about it.
04:29 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you very much for commenting. It's certainly a very contentious issue.
12:28 PM on 08/16/2010
If contemporary Mosques are actually a deterrent for radicalized Islam, then build it. Let's investigate that in greater depth before proceeding further, however. Give us plenty of facts. Ms. Jones is approaching this complicated topic with a steady head. Congrats!
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Victoria Jones
12:40 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you for taking the time to comment! Facts are always our friends.
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Victoria Jones
12:41 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you very much for sending your very informative video. I really appreciated the opportunity to watch it.
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Bruce Fenton
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01:23 PM on 08/16/2010
thank you! great article
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M Miles
11:51 AM on 08/16/2010
This is not an inane subject it is a significant subject. See inane look at some of the other headlines listed!
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Victoria Jones
12:38 PM on 08/16/2010
Thank you very much for your comment. You're absolutely right, of course. It's some of the commentary that's inane! The subject is highly significant.