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You May Be Divorced, But You're Still a Family

Posted: 08/03/2012 12:15 pm

One of the most misguided concepts divorced couples with children have is that they will actually be able to get divorced. Even after the legal dissolution and remarriage, ex-spouses who have children together will always be those children's parents. Parenting decisions have to be made, schools and extracurriculars have to be chosen, homework has to be monitored and transferred between houses.

Co-parenting is dramatically altered through parental alienation, mental illness, or abuse. But most exes don't have divorces this extreme. And while they may hate each other, and be bitter about the circumstances of the break-up or the way the settlement went down, they still comprise a family for their children -- albeit, a family that is reconfigured.

While it may be unthinkable early on that contentious co-parents could both attend a child's graduation, wedding, or participate as involved grandparents, doing those things becomes likelier as years pass.

Which is why working through anger, honoring the terms of the divorce agreement and creating consistency in both households is crucial for the well-being of the children.

What's Possible When Children Come First

An example: a man I know was devastated to learn that his wife of 20 years was leaving him for another man. She wanted to move from Los Angeles to Boston -- with their twin daughters -- where she had family, better job opportunities and the man she had fallen in love with. Guess what the husband did? He moved back to Boston as well, where he also had family, got a job, and a home close to his ex and daughters. They now have an amicable divorce and an enviable co-parenting relationship.

I realize some readers may be apoplectic at this point. I am not advocating that exes pull up stakes and relocate for the sake of an ex-spouse who strayed. Clearly, this is an unusual situation and one that was only possible because the ex-husband had a job and extended family waiting for him back east. But I mention this case because it is a remarkable example of what's possible when divorced parents shelve their anger and put their children first.

Exes must realize that their actions towards the other parent impact that parent's household. If you are consumed with resentment toward your ex, it is imperative that you work through your feelings in therapy rather than take them out on your former partner. If you make life hell for your ex, you also make life hell for your children.

Following are two common ways exes get back at their children's other parent. For the sake of clarity, I have made these examples gender-specific, but they can be employed by both men and women.

Trying to Control What Goes on in the Other Parent's House

Mothers often have difficulty entrusting their ex-husbands with the care of the children. Sometimes this is because they have been stay-at-home-moms who shouldered the bulk of child-rearing. Sometimes this is because they feel that they are more in tune with their children's needs. Sometimes they feel superior for other reasons.

The conviction that mother knows best can lead to intrusive attempts to control what Dad does in his house, like multiple calls to the kids during Dad's timeshare days, interrogating kids about what they did when they were with Dad and frequent e-mails to Dad with copious instructions on the care and feeding of the children.

Unless you have good evidence that Dad is endangering the welfare of the children, stay out of his business! Yes, he may do things differently from you, but he would still be doing those things if you were married. It would be great if you could synchronize all aspects of child-rearing -- meals, bedtime, homework supervision, parenting techniques. Rarely is this possible, however. Although you may believe you are helping Dad and protecting the children, compulsive meddling communicates to both that you feel Dad is incompetent.

While it's often unconscious, this sense of superiority poisons a co-parenting relationship and hurts the children's relationship with the other parent. Do you really want your kids to grow up thinking Dad is a nincompoop, and you're the only parent they should trust? If the answer to this question is "yes," you need to re-tool your approach to child-rearing.

If you don't get a handle on your need to be "the best", you will model competitiveness for your children and give them a blueprint for how to blow up future relationships. Another reason to stop sweeping Dad's side of the street: your kids could end up feeling smothered by your intrusiveness and distance themselves from you over time.

Withholding Child Support

Child support is designed to help the person with less resources -- generally, but not always the ex-wife -- comfortably provide for the children. In a perfect world of equal pay and equal parenting, there would be no child support: exes would scale down their lifestyles in equal measure, be able to afford two homes, and split all the children's expenses equally.

But we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world in which women typically earn less than men, and, if they have been out of the work force for years due to child-rearing, jobs that pay enough to support a family are not readily available to them. And if an ex-wife is working, she is probably paying a hefty portion of her salary in childcare fees.

Some men resent paying child support because they believe their ex-spouses spend the money on expenses that are not child-related. While this is sometimes the case, more often than not the recipient of child support is using that money to feed the kids and keep a roof over their heads. Withholding child support, becoming unemployed in order to modify child support, or simply paying child support late hurts the children. If a mother is stressed out because she doesn't have money to cover rent, the children feel it.

Having two homes doesn't mean you're no longer a family. If you are tinkering with child support by telling yourself your kids will have everything they need -- and more -- with you, you are not acting in the best interest of your children. You are acting from a place of revenge against your ex and you need to work through these feelings so that your children grow up feeling safe and able to enjoy their childhood.

Stop Competing!

Trying to out-parent or undermine your ex are forms of competition. These tactics belong on the sports field or in the business arena, but have no place in family life. Families rife with competition are dysfunctional minefields that wreak havoc on the psyches of their most vulnerable members -- the children.

Your number one job as a divorced parent is to support your kids' relationship and home life with your ex. That means paying court-ordered child support on time, respecting your ex's boundaries, and letting your kids know they don't have to take sides. The greatest gift divorced parents can give their children is the sense that they're still a family.

 

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09:05 PM on 08/07/2012
I've been reading comments from people who's spouses cheated on them. What about reasonably good fathers like myself who lived with a verbally abusive spouse who decided to dump them so they could upgrade and get child support. I adopted a child. The day after the adoption my ex start talking about divorce and me paying child support. I'm still mad that my daughter's life was dragged through this by a person who's intentions were less than honorable to begin with.
mike jeffries
Author, A Family's Heartbreak
03:40 PM on 08/07/2012
Great article and excellent advice. I also knew a divorced couple who moved to a new city together. In this case, the ex-husband followed his former spouse and her new husband to a new city with the full support of his ex-wife -- all for the sake of their children.

Sadly, this kind of co-parenting after divorce is probably the exception rather than the rule. Initially, parents have a hard time getting over the hurt, anger and disappointment of the failed relationship. These emotions often lead to negative behaviors, and in extreme cases, parental alienation. The quicker both parents can move on from the hurt and bitterness of the divorce the better. Not only will they be happier, but they'll be better parents and their children will adjust to the new family dynamics faster.

Sincerely,

mike jeffries
Author, A Family's Heartbreak: A Parent's Introduction to Parental Alienation
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07:22 PM on 08/08/2012
Thanks for weighing in, Mike. I think more people need to feel that being amicable post-divorce doesn't mean their wimps. It's just not good for anyone to carry so much hate around, not even the hater.
11:01 AM on 08/07/2012
To the author, what a marvelously naive viewpoint of what actually happens, of course, coming from the persepctive of a woman. Yes, men will believe that when there is a presumption of shared custody. Of course, women will say we don't want to pay CS; I say women don't want it because they don't get to collect as much money, and N.O.W even says so on their website. What is more important? According to you it should be the needs of the child, is it more important for the child to have both parents EQUALLY in their lives or for the Mom to collect extra dollars? .

The Federal government should pay states dollars for a system that oversees equal parenting time instead of collecting as much money out of guys, wouldn't that benefit children more? Spend the money for an agency that tracks how much time guys spend with their kids, how much they are involved in school activities, in short, making it MANDATORY that men do these things or face penalties. The same goes for women. Each parent has the state in their lives ensuring they are providing the proper support, not only financially, for their child(ren).

What a NOVEL concept, the government paying money to ensure equal involvement in children's lives with a system that doesn't screw anyone over.

Yeah, right, (slapping myself in face) wake up Tomodachi, you're dreaming.
03:47 PM on 08/06/2012
I am happy that my divorce went well and that I have a good relationship with her and her family.
08:42 AM on 08/06/2012
good article....but family laws need changes....
spouses wont change that easily....using kids as a toll to get to the other, parental alienation etc...
I think that Dad's/father's rights wont evolve fast enough and we should make it a "child's rights"....
to reach equality of time and responsabilities.
mother's right against father's right's we will fight for ever...
let's make it about the kid "Officially" by not pinning dad's against mom's....
But the more equity of time is reached the less money for the lawyers of family law...so we know they wont help...
so who will....
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11:46 PM on 08/05/2012
I must of left my marriage on a good note...my ex-in-laws still invite me for the holidays, 12 years later.. They know I did everything to try & make it work but alas some things are just made to end. No hard feelings for anyone involved. We have our own lives & occassionally talk when we happen to be in the same place at the same time. Life is too short & hard to be angry or bitter all the time.
11:21 PM on 08/05/2012
rule 1 - no more kids as a second broken marriage will create double broken homes.
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07:22 PM on 08/05/2012
I know a man that is divorced but there is a clause in his decree that states that he cannot have a female over to visit after 8p.m. WHAT? It sounds like his ex-wife is still trying to control him even tho she doesn't live there anymore. He says it's to protect the 2 kids they have emotional well being. The kids are 13 15. They're not babies. He is seeing someone for 3 months & he still has not introduced her to his children. He still has pictures of he & his ex wife up in the house. Shouldn't he move on now? He's been divorced 2-3 yrs.
11:23 PM on 08/05/2012
The "GF" will most likely BE tossed after the honeymoon stage ends.
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01:06 AM on 08/06/2012
I think you misunderstood my post. If anything the GF will dump him for not getting rid of the ex-wife. Pics & all.
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Trying to tolerate ignorant people...ugh
06:38 PM on 08/05/2012
My boyfriend has 3 young children under 8 and a bitter ex that chose divorce. She has 2, yes 2, masters and refuses to work. My boyfriend and his ex has 50/50 custody, he still has to pay child support, wants him to pay her to watch their children on his timeshare days while he works and she sits home being the "stay at home mom". She also chooses to live on welfare collecting food stamps and free health care even though she has thousands of dollars in 401k (know this from financial affidavit) that could help pay bills. She has made false accusations about me, told the children they would die without their mother causing the oldest child to not sleep for more than a hour at a time for nearly a month when she was in our home until she finally exposed what her mother said and we convinced her it wasn't true. She is impossible to deal with and for my bf to try to coparent with her is a joke. She sends emails telling him what to do, and how things are to be handled without asking his input. Something is just not right about this woman, but we just basically have to sit back and wait....poor kids are going to need some serious therapy as they get older.
09:31 PM on 08/05/2012
This may be a situation where co-parenting isn't possible. Read my piece on parallel parenting which is useful in high-conflict situations:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/virginia-gilbert-mft/co-parenting_b_1540479.html
09:49 PM on 08/05/2012
The majority of divorces that I see, dad's are forced out, mom's continue to play and when the children get to be teenagers and are out of control, they are sent packing to the dad and it is too late to do anything.
I was shocked with a divorce when my child was 6 months old and it went into a 6 year battle and a 2 week court case. Dads here were never given crap, however, I won 50/50 lived through going to court to get her into pre-school, speech therapy, parents funeral, father-daughter dance, etc. I have not been dating around, she has with over 12 guys and I have lived through one fondling my child and her refusing to work, trying to break my prenuptial and trying to leave and never let me see child. Now child has IQ over 135 and she says that child is not intelligent and should not be encouraged to study, has refused tutors/help with math issues and refuses to let her bring lap top from my house to hers or her nook from her home to my home to read books, and tells our daughter that I am not a Christain, etc etc. now we are in court again because wants me out of our 11 yo's life who is torn and wants to be with me. I am a child abuser i got her certified as a junior scuba diver, her boater's license, gone snow skiing
12:52 AM on 08/06/2012
Unless you live in CA, you should be able t work this out through mediation
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10:06 AM on 08/06/2012
That won't work with a high conflict ex.
04:37 PM on 08/06/2012
You are right. In that case you need a very good lawyer, but if your ex is the bully, you likely don't have access to funds to hire one.
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06:15 PM on 08/05/2012
Wow, when I read these comments, I must have been a model ex wife. I divorced my husband because he cheated pretty much the entire 15 years that we were together. He also was verbally abusive and I feared that my kids were growing up to believe that their fathers attitude and behavior in a relationship was normal. He refused to get any kind of counseling to help him with his animosity against women in general. I did not keep him away from our kids ever. In fact, I would even help with picking up the kids and dropping them off for visits with him. Unfortunately he put our kids in the middle and bad mouthed me to the kids constantly. He would never offer any positive help when the kids were having difficulty. He was happy to see the kids having difficulty because he knew that it was hurting me also. He didn't learn anything about respecting women and went on the have 2 more marriages. His relationship with these women was equally bad. My kids unfortunately have never seen a normal healthy loving relationship between a married couple. It would have been better for our kids if he would have taken time to get therapy instead of jumping back into marriages. I am still single I think because I have remained so cautious after this terrible relationship. I have had many proposals but up til now I am not willing to take the risk again.
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05:36 PM on 08/05/2012
I think the best thing two parents can do for their child(ren) is be respectful of one another, and let the past be in the past. Being hateful or resentful doesn't hurt anyone but the person holding the resentment. Holding onto resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Own your part in the breakup, apologize for your wrong-doings and get on with your life. If the other person can't do the same, that's on them.
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04:26 PM on 08/05/2012
I have to chuckle at the title of this story....in a perfect world...perhaps this might be the case...but let me assure you that it is not always....having 3 children I am well aware of what can happen when there is a divorce....I have been exposed to more court appearances than I ever cared to be a part of....as the ex daughter in law decided to make *false accusations* against my son....who was indicted not once, but twice, for crimes that were not even committed....this is a true story....with so much more....it took over 2 years to get the *false charges dismissed*...and my son still has NOT been allowed to see his daughter now for over 2 plus years...(and I thought filing false reports to law enforcement was a *crime* within itself-what a JOKE)....http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-813288 these 2 have been divorced since 2009...and there has been no custody hearing yet for this child...but her mother has actually lied to a judge saying she did have custody papers....there was an agreement of visitation...and my son was suppose to get his child every other week-end...the court system is actually a JOKE....in more ways than one...
08:25 PM on 08/05/2012
What you are describing is a high-conflict divorce -- and yes, one or both parties involved in a high-conflict divorce will not be able to utilize the suggestions in this article. SPLITTING by Bill Eddy is an excellent book that gives strategies for going to court with a high-conflict personality.
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12:08 PM on 08/05/2012
I have issues with child support. My Mom's cousin got divorced 15 years ago when he fell in live with his now wife of 12 years. He dutifully paid child support to his still bitter ex. She talked about him horribly to their kids who are now grown. She takes his money to repair the roof of the house and refused to marry her still boyfriend a few years ago because she didn't want to stop getting his money. Frankly, I think child support should only be required if you get time with your kids. He doesn't know what's going on in either of his sons lives and would love to be a part of it but was kept away because he left her for another woman. I understand her anger and while her actions were not in her sons best interest, I understand them too. For sahms maybe they should be able to collect but have to show proof of a legitimate job search for home supportable jobs and once they get a job the support ends (again only in cases where the father never gets time with his kids). I think they should see the quotes from the contractor, hire their own contractor to look at what the ex is saying needs to get done and only pay for the needs not the wants. I know other cases where the ex didn't marry because they wanted to continue to collect.
01:18 PM on 08/05/2012
You raise some good points. Child support is a complicated situation. Many SAHMs have been out of the work force and even if they find paying work, it wouldn't be enough to support the kids without child support. In addition, a custodial parent who has to work long hours and is chronically stressed financially inevitably effects the kids; one could argue that sticking kids in daycare instead of enabling a SAHM to continue being an involved presence in the children's lives is not in the best interest of the children. Exes lose alimony when they remarry, but child support doesn't and shouldn't change because the new spouse is not legally obligated to pay for stepchildren's expenses.
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06:14 PM on 08/05/2012
For me it's all about are you a presence in your kids' lives or not. I come from a different angle too. My SILs 1st husband was abusive so she left him and he ran away. She's received one child support payment in 22 years (she left when my nephew was 1) and he's been in hiding (they saw him at his father's funeral but let him mourn in peace). He hasn't seen his son until that funeral. While he should have been arrested for the abuse, if you know nothing about your child and never see them, then you shouldn't have to pay. I'm a SAHM. I never understood when Alimony would apply and when it wouldn't. I know my mom's cousin's sons are adults now yet he just paid for his exwife's roof to get repaired. Even when I worked I need to go part time. One reason I'm a stay at home mom is a medical need to keep stress low.
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05:57 PM on 08/05/2012
What you are talking about is alimony or spousal support which has nothing to do with child support. Child support will continue until the kids are 18 or another agreed upon age.
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09:14 PM on 08/05/2012
I know the roof was an alimony thing and the child support is seperate she is just bitter and wants every penny she can get. But if you are keeping your kids from their father, he shouldn't have to pay for them. The alimony thing got me because my parent's neighbors are clearly taking advantage of alimony and I think the paying spouse should be thoroughly informed as to where it goes. The nighbors have been remodelling their house for 5 years and 3 the mom started living with her boyfriend and their daughter is 2 (her older kids are college age/teens) The only reason they didn't marry was so she could collect the alimony. To me that's not fair.
04:08 AM on 08/05/2012
The realities of divorce:

1. Divorce is about money.

2. Divorce lawyers set the stage for the divorce -- and divorce is set up to serve the interests of the divorce lawyers rather than the divorcing parties.

Divorce lawyers can use a bad divorce system to manipulate their clients into a "custody battle" that in most cases only the divorce lawyers win -- in the form of higher legal fees.

All it takes is one greedy/selfish and/or personality-disordered divorcing mother to turn a divorce into a gold mine for the divorce lawyers.

For a divorcing mother, having more parenting time means more money -- higher child support payments. In some cases, the divorcing mother may have to get a job if she does not get more parenting time/primary custody.
10:08 AM on 08/05/2012
In California, THE largest Judiciary in the Western World is currently going through a very big shake-up! From Chief Justice Tani Cantil Sakauye down to local courts. Even Judge LANCE ITO (of OJ fame) weighs in w/SCATHING take on Crumbling CA Judiciary! http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-823725 (Jeffrey Toobin enjoyed it!)

No matter what a jerk an ex happens to be, no matter who "cheated" on who... avoid hiring FL attorneys. Two lawyers working both ends will "win" only for themselves. IMHO, it's EXTREMELY rare to find Family Law Industrialists who will be truly ethical & concerned about the best interest of a child. Work it out with the ex, find bilateral compromises that are CHILD-focused.

When hate is flying it's not easy to be child-focused. Hire a mediator NOT ORDERED BY THE COURT! They ALL collude in the Family Law INDUSTRY. Find an independent counselor to help the process along. After trusting FL lawyers & the absolutely cor_rupt Courts of Shasta County, my children will not get a college education. I strongly believe the Family Law Industry, enabled by judiciaries & Bar Associations (a bunch of former/current lawyers), thrive on creating poverty in their clients, customers & tax payers.

Today is Day 513 since my child was illegally abducted by Family Law Industrialists - no abuse, no neglect. Just pure retaliation for my civilly speaking out about Family Law Reforms... Good luck, Alan Ernesto Phillips: on Google+ and on YouTube
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01:02 AM on 08/06/2012
Applies equally to men. They want more parenting time so they can keep their Child support as low as possible. If children need daycare, it may not be possible for mom to work. And, does the non custodial parent really want their children raised by a custodial parent who works two jobs just to pay the bills? After all, women still earn less money than men. Seems like a lot of men just want to forget about family number one and move on to another. I feel bad for you children.
04:29 PM on 08/06/2012
Then maybe the answer is to let the higher earner have custody with supplemental support from the lower earner. That way more resources are available for the children. The latest report I saw about difference in earning power between genders is that women earn 91- 95% of what men earn. And hate to burst your bubble but a lot of men go for full or custodial custody in court only to be denied by courts that overwhelmingly rule for women. Its the feminists and their enablers that block all attempts to equalize family court. With the feminists stated goal of destroying marriage coupled with 2/3 of divorces filed by women knowing they have a huge advantage in court because of their gender any changes to equalize family court will first cause a decrease in women filing for divorce because the easy money is not going to be there. Secondly it will drop the divorce rate by as much as 1/3 (assuming 50-50 filings) damaging the assertion that most marriages fail, for the rate of successful marriages will rise to about 2/3 from the one half its currently at. Just for your information the custodial parent gets the same child support regardless of parenting time allowed to other spouse. Extra time spent with child does not decrease child support at all.
08:59 PM on 08/06/2012
What you are saying is that divorce should be a divorce from the dad but not a divorce from the dad's money.

If you want a divorce, don't use your children as a meal ticket or as a way to avoid getting a job.

Divorce changes the family dynamic. You know that when you file for a divorce.

Divorce is bad for children. You also know that when you file for a divorce.

You want a divorce -- go get a divorce. Make yourself independent.

You want to sit at home and cash child support checks while the children's dad works? Where is your self-respect and dignity? What kind of example are you setting for your children.

You want a divorce -- go get a job and support yourself and your children instead of trying to "work" a bad system.

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The only thing to feel bad for with my children is that they spend half of their time with a selfish/greedy divorced mom.
01:33 PM on 08/04/2012
I would add that communication is key and should be kept businesslike and civil. You don't have to be chummy, but you should take calls from the other co-parent and respond promptly to civil inquiries or requests. Deliberately ignoring communications from the other parent (about logistics, schedules, vacation planning, college planning, and healthcare issues, not "control-related" comments) just make everyone's life more difficult.
06:44 PM on 08/04/2012
Agreed -- however this is part of a dynamic. If one party is persistently intrusive, demanding and insulting, that can result in the other party ignoring/being passive-aggressive with communication.
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08:22 AM on 08/05/2012
Yes, that's too often the reality.