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Want More Meaningful Conversations? Try the Five-Minute Rule

Posted: 02/25/11 09:18 AM ET

It started out as an inside joke between a group of friends, all Baby Boomers, when we found ourselves all too often talking about our latest aches and pains. Being close friends, we laughed at ourselves, saying, "How about we put a limit of five minutes on the time we spend talking about our suffering body parts, so that we can move on to discussing other more enjoyable matters?" We all agreed and affectionately created what we now call the "Five-Minute Rule."

Over time, I noticed that our idea caught on with others who heard about it. My in-laws, both in their 90s, say they use the rule at their assisted living facility. "When everyone starts talking about all that morbid stuff, we remind each other about your Five-Minute Rule." My 33-year-old step-son and his wife tell me it works wonders with their friends after they take turns listing their kid's latest accomplishments -- first steps, smiles, burps and so on. Even my younger children, who range in age from 18 to 23, say it's especially useful when it comes to sharing dating dramas. My daughter says, "I hate to admit it, but your Five-Minute Rule keeps us from going on about relationship minutia." Whatever your age, limiting conversation on topics we tend to go on and on about serves us all. No one gets bored. No one has to interrupt. And no one needs to say, "How about we talk about something less depressing, more interesting and maybe even a bit more meaningful?"

You see, this is not about eliminating the "enough about you" conversations -- everyone from every generation needs some time to get those topics off their chests. Nor is it about one generation rolling its eyes at another -- we were all that young once, and we will all be that old some day. Besides, everyone needs to complain and boast at least once in a while. It's more about keeping an eye on the clock when we gather together -- Millennials at sports bars, Gen X'ers at playgrounds, Boomers at fundraisers, Seniors at nursing facilities -- so we don't get carried away talking about topics we mutually decide we have heard enough about.

So have some fun with the list below. It includes a short description of the age groups with whom I have spoken to about the Five-Minute Rule, followed by the topics to which they most often suggest the rule would best apply. Try them out. They can become your group's inside joke. You might find that your conversations become more enjoyable.

Senior Citizens. They were born prior to 1925 and are now 85 or older. They came of age during the Great Depression, pre-World War II. They are living longer with greater economic security and are in better health than were their forebears. Their major challenge is maintaining good quality lives. The topics they want to apply the Five-Minute Rule to include:

  • Terrible funerals
  • Great eulogies
  • Medical costs
  • Long E.R. waits
  • Successful children
  • Grandchildren who don't visit
  • "Remember when we walked barefoot in the snow?"


The Civics or Greatest Generation. They were born between 1925 and 1945 and are now aged 65-85. Sometimes called "Masters of the American Dream," they came of age during the post-Depression and World War II era. They are the last generation who can count on retirement support by our traditional pension system. They say they'd like a limit on how often they talk and hear about:

  • Aching knees
  • Aching hips
  • The new knee!
  • The new hip!
  • Kids who should take a job, any job
  • Retirement dreams
  • Retirement fears
  • "Remember when everyone listened to Frank Sinatra?"


Baby Boomers. They were born between 1946 and 1964 and are now aged 46-64. 78 million strong, raised during a time of extreme optimism, opportunity and job security, their anthem was to be "forever young." Yet even they want to limit how often they and their friends talk about:

  • Sags, bags and all that droops
  • Botox, Viagra and all that keeps things up
  • Kids who won't move out
  • Marriages that won't last once they do
  • Technology that changes as soon as it's mastered
  • "Remember when we heard Frank Zappa?"


Gen X'ers. They were born between 1965 and 1979 and are now aged 31-45. The smallest generation in modern American history, they grew up in families with rising divorce rates, downsizing and in a high-tech/media driven culture. The topics they apply the Five-Minute Rule includeL

  • Josh's chess awards
  • Sally's soccer trophies
  • Jessie's home run
  • Sleepless nights, too tired for sex
  • Sleeping through the night, too busy for sex
  • Having one more kid, moving to the suburbs
  • Staying put with one too many already
  • "Remember when we listened to rap instead of Raffi?"


Millennials or Gen Y'ers. They were born after 1980 and are now under 30. The largest, most diverse and educated generation in American history, they demonstrate great self-confidence and the desire to have an impact on their fragile environment. Reared on social networking, they don't engage in as many face to face interaction as previous generations. But when they do talk, they want the Five-Minute Rule placed on:

  • Hookups
  • Breakups
  • Relationships that never work out
  • Finding meaningful jobs that pay well but aren't nine-to-five
  • E-mails, texts and tweets, but no time to talk
  • "Remember five-day music festivals, no sleep and still passing final exams?"


The Five-Minute Rule may have started as a joke, but the need for good conversation is a serious matter. Friends squeeze in half-hour chats over coffee or a drink. Parents fit in time together between kids, work and working out. Even family dinners are becoming a thing of the past. And with electronic communication replacing even the casual phone call, face-to-face interaction is a luxury we can no longer take for granted. When it does take place, it rarely happens without someone pulling out a blackberry to check on a text or e-mail. Conversation is an endangered species worth trying to save, and the Five-Minute Rule may just help. Try using it next time you are with your friends to see how it works. You may look back and realize you are having more memorable discussions about the things that really matter to you.

What topics would you add to the Five-Minute Rule?

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Vivian Diller, Ph.D., is a psychologist in private practice in New York City. She has written articles on beauty, aging, media, models and dancers. She serves as a consultant to companies promoting health, beauty and cosmetic products. "Face It: What Women Really Feel As Their Looks Change" (2010), written with Jill Muir-Sukenick, Ph.D., and edited by Michele Willens, is a psychological guide to help women deal with the emotions brought on by their changing appearances. For more information, please visit www.VivianDiller.com
 
 
 

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It started out as an inside joke between a group of friends, all Baby Boomers, when we found ourselves all too often talking about our latest aches and pains. Being close friends, we laughed at oursel...
It started out as an inside joke between a group of friends, all Baby Boomers, when we found ourselves all too often talking about our latest aches and pains. Being close friends, we laughed at oursel...
 
 
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07:51 PM on 02/27/2011
Hmm, the 5 minute rule might be of interest to some of the Baby Boomers who have personal discussions on www.AfterFiftyLiving.com. Perhaps I can quote you Dr. Diller?
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
11:28 AM on 02/27/2011
For Boomers: "We really tried to change the world, didn't we?"
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DrVivian
Clinical Psychologist and author of Face It
02:33 PM on 02/27/2011
See my previous post here about Boomer Narcissism (or my next one which continues that conversation). I think you'll appreciate them... even if I am a Boomer myself.
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
04:23 PM on 02/27/2011
I too am a Boomer. Tell it, sister.
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BlackYowe
I am a classical- liberal woman and a Jeweler.
09:46 PM on 02/26/2011
I don't want to talk with anyone who times their conversations and makes plans like this.
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DrVivian
Clinical Psychologist and author of Face It
10:08 PM on 02/26/2011
Having a sense of humor about ourselves never seems like a bad idea.
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
11:29 AM on 02/27/2011
Sorry...your time's up.
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DrVivian
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02:28 PM on 02/27/2011
Like that one. Keeping my comment short.
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BlackYowe
I am a classical- liberal woman and a Jeweler.
03:59 PM on 02/27/2011
:) Ha ha ha!
09:06 PM on 02/26/2011
I pretty much fear with the exclusions of the lists, conversation will come to a stand still. I for one, have been a change of topic person, in the up to date now. For better or worse I step forward, and some seniors just dont want to go there. Conversation is and art, delicate, and needs to be handled with care. Laughter has been my fun trip with others, laughing at my personel blunders in life. Its healing for them and me too. I will take the five minute course on body,pain, pharm. prices, we'll see if I have anything to talk about? Thanks for posting it is fun!
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DrVivian
Clinical Psychologist and author of Face It
06:32 AM on 02/27/2011
Glad to hear you read this piece with a sense of humor. Laughing at ourselves, especially as we age, makes getting through life a lot easier, and it's nice to laugh along with others. Thanks for your comment.
02:07 PM on 02/26/2011
I would pass a law that no speech can be over 5 minutes long if, it is interesting. One minute long if it is boring.

The only time I felt irritated with people talking is after I gave birth, everyone wanted to tell me about their labor and weren't too interested in my labor. The same thing happened for all 3 babies I had at different times: -)
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DrVivian
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10:11 PM on 02/26/2011
Ah yes, I've heard that one before. The Five-Minute-Rule on "my pregnancy and my labor."
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gypsynomad
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12:13 PM on 02/26/2011
Five minute conversation of ~all about me and me and my kid is a genious and back to me ~ is even too long....
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DrVivian
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11:16 AM on 03/01/2011
I put that one in the Gen X'ers age group --the trophies, the awards --but the five-minute rule on that can apply at any age! Right on.
11:29 AM on 02/26/2011
***What topics would you add to the Five-Minute Rule?***

I'd add the five minute rule to the five minute rule, thus allowing people to actually converse with other human beings for longer than an arbitrarily declared time limit.
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DrVivian
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10:15 PM on 02/26/2011
Just a light way of saying, we can all use a reminder once in a while about how self-involved we can be. :)
Tara Hunkoff
I could have been Sheila Noyeau
11:38 AM on 02/27/2011
Relax, it's humor...get it?

Still, Dr. V makes a serious point in a light-hearted way: endless grousing about personal problems or pointless nostalgia can distract us from having fun and getting things done right now.

Have a beer, Mr. President.
04:04 PM on 02/25/2011
I love the 5-minute rule - thanks for bringing this up! Hubby and I have used "five minutes/five minutes" for years in airing frustrations, grievances and general discontent with the fact that life isn't exactly the way we'd like it to be.

Thanks so much!

Denise
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DrVivian
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05:01 PM on 02/25/2011
Ah,yes, taking turns with the Five-Minute-Rule is a variation on the theme. Good idea. Thanks for your comment.
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LynneSpreen
www.AnyShinyThing.com, For Smart Women
01:58 PM on 02/25/2011
Vivian, this is so funny! Thanks for the laugh. I'm posting it everywhere.
I'm a Boomer, and here are things I'd add to your list:
*Politics
*New diet/exercise routine
*MOST IMPORTANT: the "I don't put up with that anymore" lecture, wherein a boomer takes refuge in intolerance as a shield against having to open her mind toward any new developments in the culture or world at large.
http://anyshinything.com/2011/02/24/still-learning-from-mom/
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DrVivian
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02:52 PM on 02/25/2011
It's important to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes, right? Glad you read it that way and I like your additions. Thanks!
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Diagoras
01:10 AM on 02/27/2011
No, politics very often does include meaningful conversation with the right people. By that I don't necessarily mean people who agree with you, but people who you know you can have reasonable, polite discussion with even when you disagree. All the "impolite" topics: politics, religion and sex - are the ones most interesting to talk about and most likely to let you get to know the person you are talking to better.
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LynneSpreen
www.AnyShinyThing.com, For Smart Women
08:02 AM on 02/27/2011
You are right, of course, Diagoras, and that's why those topics are so compelling. It's just that I can't seem to find the "right people." All of them just seem so, so wrong. I'm a liberal and most of my community and family are not. So when the few of us who are liberal get together, we're so relieved we're frantic! Babbling! So, it's safer to exercise abstinence. Thanks for the comment!
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Michele Willens
01:56 PM on 02/25/2011
nice thoughts! I know people who deserve less than that!
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Roger Ochs
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12:32 PM on 02/25/2011
May I tweak? In inter-generational conversations your last suggested 5 Min. topics can be the very best topics. When I played "Please, Don't Eat The Yellow Snow" for my teen-aged Grandsons, we had a ball.
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jeanrenoir
11:13 AM on 02/25/2011
As a generation, the Boomers need some heavy-duty spiritual therapy to shake them out of their endless narcissistic self-absorption. That would help even more than a "five-minute rule." The Boomers should dust off their old copies of Jung from college and read his advice on how the second half of life should be focused on getting rid of the ego, in preparation for death. That's what every major religion rightly focuses on: not the "next stage of growth" but on LETTING GO of one's shallow attachments, especially to one's dying, BORING SELF.
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DrVivian
Clinical Psychologist and author of Face It
02:58 PM on 02/25/2011
I tried to suggest what you are saying in a humorous way and hope that all the generations reading this, including Boomers, will hear it as a serious message. Yes, we have to take care of the particular issues each age groups has to deal with --for Boomers it's aging, for Gen X'ers it's work and family life -- but then we have to get beyond them and move on to larger ones.
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PJsThreeDogLife
"A large lady given to speaking her mind."
08:58 AM on 03/23/2011
I'll make you a deal. I'll re-read Jung if you'll tone it down a little bit. The vitriol in your words suggests you've got some serious issues with one or more of your own Boomers...or that you're just having a bad day. In either case, you have my sympathy.
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jf12
Occupying myself
10:18 AM on 02/25/2011
Her mother. Her sister. Her mother's feelings about her sister's feelings about her mother.