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Vivian Norris de Montaigu

Vivian Norris de Montaigu

Posted: May 9, 2010 01:47 PM

An Ode to Men During the Financial Crisis

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In the past few years since the start of the financial crisis, I have met men at dinner parties, party parties, through friends, at conferences, etc. And out of say twelve or so recent acquaintances, (some who became friends a few I dated briefly) during some of our longer conversations, I found them often turning to their concern with making money...and how their jobs, (or lack of), and income affect how they view themselves as men, and potential partners.

I have also been very lucky to have been around men who make little in the way of personal income but who are deeply fulfilled. Muhammad Yunus, and many men who work with true microcredit (not the abusive loan sharking which pretends to be microcredit) and who have become good friends, always seem to be so incredibly fulfilled, one never thinks about how much they do or don't earn, nor whether or not they are living their dream. They also have great women by their side.

I noticed something very interesting while attending a talk by Muhammad Yunus at Goldman Sachs a few days after Lehman fell in September 2008. The crowd of about two hundred young bankers filled the room to listen to Yunus speak. Yet the young men (who were the majority) played with their BlackBerrys and did not seem to be paying attention. The questions about microcredit posed to Dr. Yunus came from the young women in the room, women from Guatemala and Asia. They were not only listening, they were challenging and open to alternative ways of thinking about business, and parts of the world where huge bonuses and high frequency trading give way to sustainability and exchange at a more human level.

As for those men who seemed to be somewhat obsessed with their jobs and their income to varying degrees and the ones who had recently lost their jobs (and there are more and more of these) although trying to keep up appearances, felt that they were somehow a little less "attractive" (except for one whom I have to say could attract a woman no matter what). Their jobs and the economy were constant worries to them, even to those who still had "great" jobs and were earning a lot of money. In fact, some of those guys, the executives, stayed at work late every single night and canceled family and personal events often on weekends due to meetings, and were constantly stressed. I met one who had to fire hundreds of people, another one who had been an executive at a bank which went bankrupt, a few who had been recently hired, even moved their families, and then found themselves let go within months.

I met men who had to sell their apartments, ended up divorced or their girlfriends leaving them, and saw their "financial worth" be divvied up by lawyers. I saw others who had much less money, but interesting jobs and who are seemingly intelligent somehow be brainwashed to think women wanted rich guys. These are all men over forty, and thus at a time in their lives when things should be finally working out for them. They have worked hard, spend those long days and nights at the office or creating their businesses, but find themselves selling their belongings after the job searches of a year or more pan out with next to nothing. Yet even those with very stable incomes still seemed to think to win a woman's heart they had to have a big apartment with a view. I kept thinking, "Man these men really don't get what women want!".

Some of the men were European, a few were American, almost all well educated, speaking several languages and with a good two decades at least of work experience. And although I also have male friends who are doing very very well work-wise, they are still questioning their "worth" as men. I have to say how moved I am to see so many grown men re-evaluating their lives mid-life. This is more important than any traditionally silly mid-life crisis or skirt-chasing, superficial angst...this is very deep, very serious, and I have to say, as a woman who really deeply loves men, I feel for them. Yet I am glad they are asking themselves some important questions about what is important in life.

Why as a woman do I not feel the same stress and angst? I am also living through this crisis, have had it affect my work, my family, my finances, yet I actually find myself happier than I have ever been in my entire life! And why is it that my friends who did not pursue materialist lifestyles, nor jobs in finance, and are often creative and used to living on next to nothing, seem to be surviving this "crisis" with a more optimistic attitude? I do not define myself through my work alone, nor by how much money I earn. I am not indebted but not wealthy (though compared to most of the world I am extremely lucky!) I enjoy every single day of my life.

Perhaps we all have something to learn about what it is we really want from one another. Though yes women tend to prefer a man who has a job and pays his bills, the reality is, most women (who are not just expensive spoiled narcissists) expect to share with the man they are with, to participate to their best ability. We want to be true partners. We really really like you guys! When you go through a tough time, as long as you have been a good faithful guy, we want to help!

I think somehow people seriously drank the Kool-Aid for a few decades and the women and men who pursued lifestyles which are not going to make them truly happy, now find that without all that, or with less of it, they can finally focus on what really matters. Kool-Aid is bad for you. It's all sugar and cancer causing red dye and bad stuff. Life is fantastic! I just wish we could redo the 80/90s/early 21st century and focus less on money making and more on sustainability, especially in relationships.

So all you men out there...remember this: Women who Love Men really love you for who you are, not for a lifestyle you can provide. If a woman really wants a certain lifestyle, she can go make the money and create it herself. Otherwise she either does not want it nor care, or is lying to you. In either case, get back in touch with your own self, your intuition, turn off the tv, don't overwork as workaholics become numb obsessive jerks...but also don't think money will buy you love.

It won't. Life is short. Cherish the women who love you and learn that to be a real man is not to define yourself from the outside. Women see through that. This consumer society had people consuming one another throwing them out and getting a new model. Humans have become less human and stopped following their dreams to make money. Now they are losing the money. But they can still get back in touch with their dreams. There is nothing sexier than a man who is living his dream. It's priceless. And investing in the human parts of your life, your relationships and family, your own integrity and spirituality, will always have the biggest payoff in the end.

 

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02:31 AM on 05/15/2010
What could be ways to convince more men to redirect their attention and connect with their innermost aspirations to create a more sustainable future for Our Planet? Don't women have the same share in responsibly guiding boys to identify with their true self instead of creating a compensatory ego which longs for materialistic satisfaction it will never attain? The tragedy of misguided boys becoming selfish obsessive men starts with their mothers pushing them for self-fulfilment when giving them extrinsic incentives while playing the same game with their men. If I tell my son I am proud of his materialistic achievements, he will go on longing for that for most of his life... if I tell my daughters I sense how they are satisfied by having achieved something no matter what, they will look for the root causes within their being that drive them to give their best--most always without any connection to materialistic values in the first place. Essentially it is all about ourselves--men AND women--reframing our mindsets and taking true responsibility for our own ways of communicating between genders about what really counts in life!
04:24 PM on 06/01/2010
I agree Lutz, about it being about what really counts But are we all so pre-programmed?

What Vivian says about the Yunus conference reminds me that 3 months earlier a manifesto for changing capitalism was circulating on the web. The man who wrote it endures ill health and poverty, he has in his own way helped lift many women out of poverty thru leveraging microfinance and in the process been abandoned by his wife while pursuing social innovation.

http://www.p-ced.com/1/about/background/

I recently read a Harvard Business Review blog about the new Yunus book Building Social Business: The New Kind of Capitalism. Yunus offers a view that "Governments can also create social business funds. We are asking them, instead of putting all monies into a safety net, put a portion into social businesses — and help people get out of the safety net. Where you give foreign aid, give 10% — not to the usual projects implemented through government machinery but to create social business funds in each of those countries"

And this was precisely what we were doing in our efforts to leverage financial support for a social investment fund from the US, a fund of 1.5 billion dollars equating to the then spend on operations in Iraq for one week.

http://en.for-ua.com/analytics/2007/08/09/110003.html

I suspect that both we and what we do will remain invisible. . .
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WilliamProc
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12:18 PM on 05/11/2010
Quite a fantasy you paint there.

In truth, women ALWAYS go after the guys with the most money, property, and God help you if you have less than someone else. I've yet to meet a woman to whom money didn't matter. If you can't make enough to manage your lifestyle AND their's, you lose in their eyes. While its nice to hear that you feel differently, you are an exception and not the rule.

Interesting read, nonetheless.
06:49 PM on 05/11/2010
Sad if you feel that to be true.
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WilliamProc
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02:18 PM on 05/17/2010
I apologize for the late reply. It's just my personal experience, results may vary depending upon individual. No matter the social situation, it always comes around to:
"Where do you work and how much do you make?"
Honestly happy that your experience is different. But, I'm sad to say that most women are very shallow.
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ndem
03:43 PM on 05/10/2010
Agreed not just a guy thing...but I will say that many more men I have known define themselves via their jobs, how much money they earn...usually until they are quite old. If then. What I see happening is that although men will often feel the need (and many women fall into the trap of contributing to this) to take care of their financial lives first, and then take care of the heart and soul...last if at all perhaps with all that is going on right now they can re-evaluate...and most women will be happy they are doing so. It's not that you don't understand us (women) it's that you are spending so much time and energy doing what you think we want you aren't listening to what we are saying...which is that we like you first for who you are, then if you bring home the bacon that's nice too...but we like to contribute! Even share 50/50.

As for battle of the sexes? That confused me. And if there were still one would not be losing it...women are pretty much the future of any kind of sustainable anything on this planet, in the world economy...I believe Bobby Riggs lost.
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Cookie Monsta
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03:16 PM on 05/10/2010
So, this is what it feels like to be on the loosing end of the 'Battle of the Sexes'. I think you are absolutely correct in your observations but completely wrong in your conclusions. According to you, the ills of society are not genderless pursuit of materialism but simply, us silly boys just don't understand you girls. I think your complaints hold true for all genders. It's not just a guy thing.
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racerx577
02:30 PM on 05/10/2010
special awesome thank you to my 11 fans,,it's so appreciated,,as I'm learning how to write again,,I got a little brain damage,,I was an abused child,,and suffered several head injuries,,,go easy on me..thanks more fans please,,,,wow
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racerx577
02:20 PM on 05/10/2010
Great story, from the perspective, of a woman. Thanks for caring a little about us guys. Men,,,we need to not tie our identity to our careers, as with the destruction of capitalism,,as I welcome that,,,careers will be different,,,,,,,,Woman,, I love you,,and as a single guy,,go a little easier on us,, we've been through alot. A little T.L.C. is appreciated,,instead of What are you doing for me. I've met many woman in my life. I've lived and loved..totally single now,,i've sacrificed for so long, for so many,,woman, kids, ect. now I'm alone........I only hope some peoples life is better from my scarifices,,,,but I believe a primal desire of woman is to.... BE TAKEN CARE OF......sorry....
10:07 AM on 05/10/2010
Hurray! I hope that many men read this article - I think you are right on. Many men are indeed reexamining what it takes to make them feel simply OK with themselves now that the unsustainable money streams have dried up.
Your loving take on men and our insecurities is a needed balm these days. However, not ALL women feel as you do - and that's the rub. We (men) tend to worry about being attractive to any woman - including those that do in fact judge us by our income.
Don't quit reassuring us though....
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48thGuy
11:57 PM on 05/09/2010
Well said Vivian...