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Vivian Norris de Montaigu

Vivian Norris de Montaigu

Posted: June 7, 2010 08:30 AM

Proof of Insanity on Wall Street? BP & Profits

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"BP oil spill liabilities could run into the tens of billions -- yet a majority of analysts still rate the stock a "buy." Proof that Wall Street is insane?" ~ published over 3 weeks after oil spill.

Why would anyone rate BP a "buy" after weeks of seeing the absolute destruction in the Gulf? And morally how could they rate BP a "buy" and how could anyone in their right mind buy stock in BP? This is sickening...and it is simply insane. I decided to look up the definition of "insanity"...interesting when applied to what is going on in terms of the banks and Wall Street undermining the US economy and its citizens...as well as the damage being caused in the Gulf due to BP's oil spill disaster:

"Insanity, craziness or madness is a spectrum of behaviors characterized by certain abnormal mental or behavioral patterns. Insanity may manifest as violations of societal norms, including becoming a danger to themselves and others..."

So if BP and Wall Street are insane, why can't the rest of the sane concerned citizens and our (seemingly fewer and fewer) sane representatives do something which stops this insanity forever? Make the regulations so tough that the companies will no longer operate in illegal ways taking their chances to simply not get caught or have a disaster on their hands. People are suffering and out of work, have had their retirement used for casino-like gambling of their futures, the public schools are a mess, and now the Gulf of Mexico has become a dead zone. Wall Street and BP have proven themselves to be violating societal norms and are most definitely a danger to themselves and others. We had to bail out the banks and will be dealing with environmental catastrophe for decades to come. We are paying for their insanity!

The profits they make are like the Prozac and painkillers they need to keep from falling into depression and realizing what they have done. They need to feel the pain of the havoc they have caused. It is only through suffering that they will learn never to act in these ways again!

They are insane. We have the proof. Those who are being rewarded are the ones who are doing the damage. We have proof that those who succeed in this sick economy are actually narcissists and liars, trading on inside information and sleight of hand. People who steal are making profits off of others. They steal ideas, nature, livelihoods...even lives. They put us all at risk.

I keep thinking of one of those photos of an oil-covered bird "rescued" from the Gulf. The bird's eye is looking out at all of us. That bird knows we humans are insane. Those haunting images of dead and dying animals should be a warning to us in our insanity. We will perish by the hand of our own greed. Unless we act together and stop those who place profits ahead of humans, ahead of nature, ahead of our children's futures...we will be damned to live inside an asylum, and the craziest and most destructive of beings will be the ones holding the keys to our freedom.

 

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Soulsurfer
Solar Electrician,Longtime Surfin'Fool
07:42 AM on 06/09/2010
The rich and powerful have been making money on the misery of others forever. Think about the ones who finance wars, sell arms to boths sides of a conflict, finance strip mining and clear cutting lumber operations, long line netters in the fishing industry, etc. They don't care about workers, the environment, or anything else except profits. Yet, society holds these people up as respectable "businessmen", and redirect anger and responsibility with the idea that they "create jobs and wealth". There's a right way and a wrong way to conduct extraction business, but cheap,quick and dirty is always preferable to the overlords.
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ndem
06:02 PM on 06/08/2010
the law Congress passed in the wake of the Exxon Valdez spill -- the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 -- may end up hindering the type of relief that Gulf residents can expect currently. Under that legislation, a $75 million cap was placed on economic damages that an oil company can pay as a penalty for a spill (this isn't true, O'Neill notes, in states that have passed their own liability caps -- of which Louisiana isn't one). Congress is currently trying to lift that cap. But there are constitutional questions about whether it can do so retroactively to cover BP.
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ndem
05:51 PM on 06/08/2010
I am having a very difficult time believing that BP and some of the people commenting here below seem to be more focused still on profits not on this disaster..."If they clean up the oil spill and provide a product people need..." they should still be profitable?????

The point is they have been lying to us. The definition of "insanity" above puts it all in perspective.
02:33 PM on 06/08/2010
BP has lost $75 billion of market cap since the oil spill started. Apparently, the analysts believe that the toal cost of cleanup and related liabilities will be less than $75 billion. That's what their job is, maybe they are right maybe they are wrong, but your convoluted, hysterical and confused argument does not really help anything.

If you want to boycott BP products and buying their stock, take that route, but don't try to convince of something using poor or inexistent logic that makes no sense.
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ndem
05:44 PM on 06/08/2010
There is nothing hysterical about this post. Entire countries and international banks are divesting in BP. For Moral reasons. She writes that there was a buy rating for while those same folks who are telling people to buy are selling.

Why would anyone buy and try to profit from this?

You are confused, not the woman who posted this.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
02:02 PM on 06/08/2010
Keep your cool. You will need it.

You are absolutely right, of course. Yes, BP and Wall Street are positively insane. No doubt about it. They need help. That's how insane they are.

But it's not how things are going to change.

What matters is to call the bluff and to make them feel every day that every word they say is so incredibly uninformed and stupid and self-contradictory that you wouldn't (and shouldn't) allow a 14-year old to get away with it.

Ok, let's say you shouldn't allow an undergraduate majoring in finance or economics get away with it.

Certainly not a CEO. Not an analyst. Not an auditor. Not an investor. Not a journalist. Not a lawmaker. Not a lobbyist.

The fact of the matter is that there is NO way you could even dream up a sustainable free market economy in which BP is a 'buy' after the oil spill. That's a fact. It's not a question of where you stand politically. It's a fact.

The reason is that the only way they can manage to NOT be instantly bankrupt is because the LAW itself is rigged towards the oil industry. The law itself helps them in its current state because there's a nonsensical liability cap. There's no way an economy could be sustainable with such liability caps in place. It's a doomsday machine. And that's obvious. It's also a proven fact of economics. But that doesn't interfere with the fact that it's also obvious.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
01:14 PM on 06/08/2010
What exactly are you against? Are you against profits? Are you against buying stock in companies who have accidents?

Maybe you would feel better if the stock in BP declined to zero and they could not afford to clean up the spill because of bankruptcy?

If BP remains profitable, and it appears that they will, it will be because they provide a product that their customers need. If they remain profitable they will be able to afford to clean up the spill and pay for damages with profits earned for providing a product their customers need. If they remain profitable and clean up the spill and pay for damages then they are a company worth investing in.

Why so shocked? Is it because you don't understand how investing works, or is this something more insidious?
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ndem
05:49 PM on 06/08/2010
Against profits for a company which benefits from this insanity which has allowed profits by cutting corners on safety expense etc.

BP has lied over and over. Their green washing campaign we all know it.

This is not a simple accident. It is no accident that we had a for profit only focus for so long under Bush which pushed through tort reform and removed regulations.

Am having a hard time believing peole would actually still invest in BP..."for profit"...Yikes!

Some people will never learn.
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Robert Masters
To take my property is to take my means to live
06:19 PM on 06/08/2010
The company won't profit from the loss of the resource! They now cannot sell this oil.

They won't profit from the costs of cleanup.

They won't profit from the payment of claims for damage.

You act as though they wanted to lose these things and somehow benefit from it.

Also - Bush never pushed through tort reform and I challenge you to show which regulations he removed on oil companies, if any. I truly don't expect a response because I think you made this up.

I agree with you that their greenwashing is shameful and they should never have bought into the Global Warming scam!
10:59 AM on 06/08/2010
I am with you 100%. Seeing the haunting images of the wildlife in the Gulf region is heart-wrenching. For so long, BP presented the public with this pristine image of sunflowers and "being green." What a farce! This is one of the biggest cases of greenwashing the public has probably ever witnessed.
09:01 AM on 06/08/2010
People get the Government they deserve. Our collective sins must therefore be infinite. Many are hidden in plane site such as our Foreign Policies. With military bases around the World, commitments to despots, support for international corporate malfeasance, gunboat diplomacy and outright wars of aggression ours is the most contemptuous collection of murderous malignancies ever assembled. The National crime is our lack of oversight as citizens of these policies. We take for granted our need for oil thus anything that furthers that end is accepted. We accept a Military Industrial Complex that is fed by continuing crisis. If no crisis exists we create one as with Iraq. It was not coincidence that the Soviet Union, our foil for 45 years, fell and within days Saddam, our former ally, became public enemy number one.

Our selection of leaders is pathetic. In an evolved Nation how can the Republican Party exist? Theirs is the most repugnant of philosophies. They embrace a lawless economic Darwinism where the most predatory consume the non hostile. They are Social pariahs that rely on bigotry, hatred and fear to vilify and denigrate their opposition and targeted minority groups. They call out the worst aspects of our species as their ideals. The Democrats speak of higher aspirations and deliver the same pustulance as their opponents. Theirs is a Party of self serving cowardice for the many and dashed hopes of the few. Corruption overwhelms the good and the fix is always in.
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ndem
07:37 AM on 06/08/2010
Societe General's young banker Jerome Kerviel pleads banking insanity!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/capitalism-in-the-dock-as-kerviel-goes-on-trial-1994133.html
03:17 PM on 06/07/2010
greetings.......recent conversations with friends indicates that the fatal human flaw may be the "ability" to not look directly at human cultural reality (oil spill, Afghan, religion, etc.).....and although it is unlikely, i can't help but wonder what would happen if "everybody" (or enough) did look directly at it.....people that do take a close look are noticeable.......they are the ones who, would not and do not have children.......
03:12 PM on 06/07/2010
I'm in agreement with you, Ms. Norris de Montaigu. I think the life of one of the other species suffering in this catastrophe is much more important than any of these stupid politicians who can't seem to take control of this sickening situation in the Gulf and with our financial sector. They totally fit the definition of insanity and should be jacketed and hauled off for all of our safety. Thank you for adding your voice to those of the sane.
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ndem
10:37 AM on 06/07/2010
"We will perish by the hand of our own greed. Unless we act together and stop those who place profits ahead of humans, ahead of nature, ahead of our children's futures"

That sentiment echoes our own advocacy for reforming capitalism which begins with a core argument on human disposability:

"Economics, and indeed human civilization, can only be measured and calibrated in terms of human beings. Everything in economics has to be adjusted for people, first, and abandoning the illusory numerical analyses that inevitably put numbers ahead of people, capitalism ahead of democracy, and degradation ahead of compassion."

http://www.p-ced.com/1/about/background/

"In that context of disposing of people, by all economic systems, and with capitalism having become predominant, financial profit came to rule the day. Profit, the bottom line, was master of all else. People and the environment we live in were secondary considerations. The vehicle of Western capitalism was, and is, corporations.

"Corporations are legal structures created as legal entities to carry out the business – financial – objectives. Under US law, corporations are a legal person. What sort of person? According the psychological assessment measures in the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) used for personality assessment, corporations meet the strict clinical definition of a psychopath. “Psychopath” is another word for lunatic, or, someone who is legally, criminally insane."

http://www.p-ced.com/1/projects/ukraine/sumy/iscs2009/
10:31 AM on 06/07/2010
There is nothing insane about this. If you cared to observe the history of mankind, you'd notice that entitlement and indifference are the domain of the decision making eschelon of society. The elephant is aware of what happened to the buffalo. Most look at the erradication of the buffalo (and the native Americans) as progress.
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ndem
10:47 AM on 06/07/2010
Funny I was thinking of the Native Americans and how they really must have thought the new arrivals as insane...and how we have destroyed nature.