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In Defense of Optimism in Education

Posted: 03/13/2012 10:50 am

Last year I published A Chance To Make History to share my reflections on what I've learned from our teachers, alumni, and colleagues in urban and rural communities since launching Teach For America twenty years ago. My determination to end educational inequality and optimism that it can be done has only grown stronger over the years as we've seen more examples of what is possible. But my experiences have also deepened my appreciation of the magnitude of the problem and led to a nuanced vision for change. It was disappointing to see the views expressed in the book flagrantly misrepresented in a recent article in the New York Review of Books by Diane Ravitch. I want to take this opportunity to set the record straight and clarify what I believe and don't believe.

Ravitch argues that Finland should serve as a model for education reform in the United States, and that the efforts to expand educational opportunity in our urban and rural communities, which Teach For America has championed, are misguided. We certainly have a lot to learn from the best practices of Finland and other high functioning education systems. Finland's system for selecting, training and developing teachers in particular is worth exploring as we think about strategies for elevating the teaching profession in this country -- a goal Ravitch and I share.

However, we must recognize that most of our lessons won't come from a small, homogenous country that does not have the same pervasive socioeconomic and racial inequalities we do. Four percent of Finland's 800,000 school-aged children, or 32,000 kids, live in poverty. The U.S. faces massive obstacles to providing 16 million children living below the poverty line with the kind of education that will truly give them access to the same opportunities in life as their wealthier peers.

I believe that we should do everything we can to reduce poverty, just as Ravitch does. At the same time, as I explain in A Chance To Make History, over the last twenty years we in the United States have discovered that we don't have to wait to fix poverty to dramatically improve educational outcomes for underprivileged students. In fact, there's strong evidence that one of the most effective ways to break the cycle of poverty is to expand the mission of public schools in low-income communities and put enormous energy into providing children with the extra time and support they need to reach their potential.

Throughout her article, Ravitch accuses Teach For America of having a superiority complex. She writes that we believe our "young recruits are better than other teachers, presumably because they are carefully selected and therefore smarter than the average teacher" and that we "claim that these young people, because they are smart, can fix American schools and end the inequities in American society by teaching for a few years."

If Ravitch had carefully read my book, she would know that one of the central messages is how difficult it is for individual teachers -- even exceptional ones -- to achieve great results working within schools that aren't set up to support them. While we applaud the example of a few exceptional teachers who overcome every obstacle to put their students on a different trajectory, if we're relying on classroom heroes alone, we're setting ourselves up to fail.

What is encouraging is that hundreds of schools around the country are proving that it is possible for talented, committed teachers -- but not absolute superheroes -- to put whole buildings of children on different life trajectories. From many pioneering public charter schools, and from growing numbers of traditional public schools, we've learned how to build schools with the mission, teams, cultures, teacher professional development, and student supports that foster sustainable results for young people.

We're also learning how to create the conditions in school systems that encourage the development of more of these high-performing schools. Ravitch discounts my examples of the progress made in places like New York City (where fourth graders are a full year ahead of where they were a decade ago based on national assessments and the graduation rate has risen a full 15 points in just five years) and New Orleans (where the percentage of students meeting state standards has doubled in the past 4 years). But anyone who claims we haven't seen meaningful change in the public schools in New York City and New Orleans has not been spending time in those schools. Parents who have children today in the low-income communities of those cities have very different prospects for their children than they would have had a decade ago.

Ravitch is also wrong to suggest that Teach For America corps members aren't effective. A significant body of rigorous research shows that they are more effective than other beginning teachers and, on average, equally or more effective than veteran teachers. Still, I am the first to admit -- as I do in my book -- that "the bell curve of effectiveness within our corps is still too wide" and "our teachers are still not, on average, changing the trajectory of their students."

I'm not arrogant enough to think, as Ravitch claims, that Teach For America corps members are going to fix this problem during two years of teaching. Ending educational inequality is going to require systemic change and a long-term, sustained effort. There are no shortcuts and no silver bullets. At the core of the solution will be leadership -- people who will pursue bold change as teachers, principals, and district leaders, and who will work to shape a supportive policy and community environment as political leaders, policy makers, and advocates. More often than not, the most effective leaders have been shaped by teaching successfully in high needs classrooms. Because of their experience, they know that it is possible for low-income children to achieve on an absolute scale and understand what we need to do to allow them to fulfill their potential.

Teach For America is working hard to be one significant source of the leadership we need. More than two-thirds of our 24,000 alumni are working full-time in education. Although few of them intended to enter the field at all before their involvement with Teach For America, today a third of them are teaching, 600 are serving as principals, and many others are working as district leaders. Of the remaining third of our alumni, half have jobs related to low-income communities or schools, and only three percent are working in the private sector -- hardly the "corporate" stereotype Ravitch is so fond of perpetuating. This growing alumni force is working, together with many other dedicated teachers and leaders across the country, to fundamentally change things for the better.

We know we don't have all the answers. Far from "scorning seniority and experience," we seek it out and know we have much to learn from veteran teachers and education leaders. Indeed, we yearn for a more collaborative effort and a more open public discussion about how to ensure that the children growing up facing the immense challenges of poverty gain the opportunities they deserve.

I'm happy to admit that I'm a hopeless optimist. There is too much unproductive cynicism in the dialogue about education reform today. Pieces like Ravitch's -- which completely misrepresent the views and disparage the efforts of those who are working incredibly hard to have an impact -- don't help. Now that there's more concrete evidence than ever before that it is possible to give our nation's most disadvantaged children an excellent education, we have a moral imperative to step up, immerse ourselves in the lessons from their success, and act on them with urgency.

 
 
 
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04:56 PM on 04/08/2012
"A significant body of rigorous research shows that they are more effective than other beginning teachers and, on average, equally or more effective than veteran teachers." Who is Wendy Kopp referring to when she says veteran teachers? If she means people that have been in the classroom for a long time, I would agree. If she refers to actual, veteran, champion teachers (like the ones in Teach Like a Champion), I would have to disagree. You can't become a master teacher in 2 years. Malcom Gladwell argued that you need at least 10,000 hours to become a master at something. While I appreciate the energy and talent of the corps members and the support they get (was a CM in 2005 myself), I wish more of them would stay in the classroom so there can be sustained, systematic change instead of high turnover and constant creations of new wheels. I also wish they would get the resources they need to be successful. On that note, I wrote a few ebooks that I wish I had when I was a younger teacher. They can be found at http://www.lulu.com/alastingwill
04:27 PM on 03/15/2012
"Now that there is evidence...". The verdict is in! Unfortunately it takes but a breath to assert some BS, and it takes time, effort, and data to prove it. The NYC Teacher Data Reports can be examined, for all they are worth, to reveal "truth", whatever that means in education. This data is worthless but used by all to criticise public schools. Well the same crappy data is also there to examine the Kopp assertions. Those data revealed the Kopp schools scores, which Kopp refused to reveal but were made public anyway and guess what? Kopp schools perform WORSE than the schools they replaced! So do many of the other sponsored charters. It's time to stop the BS Kopp! Take the same kids, in the same numbers, and you won't do any better! Among the reasons why---no staff experience or longevity, which you say you want but don't act to get, no on the ground work-unless you count all the $$ going into PR and recruitment as education, and no significant training of the kids you do hire. Why go on? You need to be truthful, then pack it up and move on. The same crappy data being used to kill public ed, which you lie about being so good for your schools, renders you a lier! The "tent" is collapsing on your circus! Pack it up and move on. Take the animals with you.
06:26 PM on 03/16/2012
Yes. Let's take the Ravitch approach and while we wait for other people to fix poverty, we can blame kids and families for low achievement, and continue to operate as educators in the lone profession in the world with zero accountability for the results that actually matter.

Do you have an actual solution to solve the achievement gap in this country? A theory that you're putting into practice? School examples that you can cite which support your solution and theory while also are a proof point of low-income kids achieving at the same levels of their neighboring high-income districts?

If you do, I'd love to see it, it's possible you've got some great ideas. If not, maybe you could explain to me why every anti-reformer spends the vast majority of their energy attempting to tear down every innovators attempts to fix the problem, while never enacting concretely any "solutions" of their own.
07:39 AM on 03/17/2012
"Innovators" like Kopp might be naively trying to fix the problem or calculatingly trying to benefit from it. We can't be sure. But either way, they're making it worse.

Opposing the degradation or destruction of the education system is the right thing to do, even if you don't offer an alternative. Keeping it the same may not be ideal, but it's better than making it worse.
02:29 PM on 04/20/2012
The innovators you speakof are opportunists. Schools don't fail. Neighborhoods fail. If a neighborhood has high rates of illiteracy, generational poverty, teen pregnancy, lead contamination, poor pre-natal health and nutrition, then the school and its students will reflect that.
My solution is to wait until the cost of living in China is higher than in the US. Then jobs will come back, wages will go up, state and local government will be able to expand their programs for poor children, and parents will have more resources to help their kids get out of poverty. Then your precious test scores will go up.
08:58 AM on 03/28/2012
Did you mean KIPP schools? There's no such thing as a Kopp school. The Teacher Data Reports don't measure schools; they measure teachers. If you're looking to measure schools, look at Progress Reports. They're basically the same thing as the TDRs, but for schools and we've had them for a number of years now. You are clearly pulling your info from nowhere, because the big charters perform better on average than city schools for their populations, while small "mom and pop" charters tend to do worse.
01:07 PM on 03/15/2012
As a data person and a person who has followed the trajectory of poor and children of color, which has not changed much since Brown v. Board, I need to know where I can locate data to support: (1) "hundreds of schools that are proving that whole buildings of children are on different trajectories, New York and New Orleans are not ample samples; (2) The rigorous research that shows the effectiveness of TFA beginning teachers compared to other teachers and (3) The entire data set about the TFA placements and subsequent work history two to five years out. Just point me to the place where the data exist even if it's on the pages of your book.
04:24 PM on 03/16/2012
If you have not already done so, I recommend that you read "A Chance to Make History" for the examples of schools putting students on different life trajectories. As for the two data questions, I suggest the Teach For America website: http://www.teachforamerica.org/our-organization/research. Happy reading!
07:40 AM on 03/17/2012
He asked for data. Not propaganda.
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11:35 AM on 03/15/2012
Well, I got about halfway through this one. I hope you don't think that Ravitch would need to read your book in order to know about the difficulty teachers face in school environments which don't support them.
06:18 PM on 03/16/2012
I teach my students to read the entirety of an essay before responding with their commentary.
11:56 AM on 03/17/2012
I read the whole thing. He's right.
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04:44 PM on 03/18/2012
For an academic essay, certainly. For a piece on this site, no.

Or were you thinking that you were making a witty quip?
06:04 PM on 03/14/2012
TFA is a scab organization. Wendy suggests they seek to learn from the senior staff. When TFA comes in they replace entire faculties, thus no senior members. Her self interest is only overcome by her lies about TFA progress. Joel Klein left exposed. The higher graduation rate but students found unfit for higher ed. Test scores shown to be inflated. No gains. Just more privatization and profits. Cuomo said recently that schools were not employment agencies but he left out that TFA is an employment agency for the 1%. New Orleans is now 80% charter schools. The school scores are no better and the students have no attachment to their teachers because they are gone in 2 years, when student loans are forgiven and grants are received for graduate degrees in law, medicine or public policy. After all in 2 years they know how to fix the schools. They are now experts and ready to lead. Just ask New York's chancellor of Education. He taught for 2 in charter schools and 1 in private. 3 years makes him an expert. These people are grifters taking the tax paying public for a ride.
04:38 PM on 03/14/2012
When I attended my district's teacher orientation two years ago almost every person at the training was a TFA recruit. Every person that I interacted with that day was from somewhere else, no one had any roots in the city. What struck me as odd was that this was the beginning of the wave of teacher layoffs and budget cutting in my state, and I personally knew of several teachers who were looking for jobs in MD. One would assume that these experienced and excellent teachers would be better matches in such a challenging setting as a Baltimore City Public School than a 22-year-old from St. Paul Minnesota with no teaching experience. I grew more confused as I continued to meet former TFAers around Baltimore, none of whom made it past three years in the classroom. I also met teachers looking for jobs who could not find any positions in the city. I thought the purpose of TFA is to fill a a void of teachers in urban school districts. Why is TFA getting so much federal money when there are many many teachers looking for jobs? Of course, the answer is money. Ms. Kopp and her corporate charter buddies are making a lot of it. You can't turn a corner in this city without running into a charter school. Sorry if my cynicism offends you, Ms. Kopp but your unbelievable opportunism and greed are highly offensive to me.
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04:20 PM on 03/14/2012
It's a joy to see two giants of U.S. Education debating. They have agreements, and battles, but both too often focus on what teachers do “to” or “for” students. That is the common failure in US education as it becomes less and less personal with increasingly crowded classrooms, and teachers distracted by unrelated demands.

Until our students focus on their own lives and futures, and truly plan their own futures, we will have no “silver bullet.” Ownership of the process is the issue. Personal relationships help student ownership happen. As teachers personally know students the most powerful type “ownership” is transfered. As they can talk about parents, goals, classwork, the world, and personal happenings, that transformational “student ownership” event takes place! Students own their education when they realize their own work makes it happen.

The potential for such ownership increases in k-8 schools where relationships are not fragmented with a forced transfer into a middle school. Anything that supports teachers in teaching, and not teaching to a test, increases such ownership potential. With the School Archive Project we have parents write letters to their child about their dreams for their child, and then the child uses that letter in writing a letter to themselves about their current life and plans for the future. See www.studentmotivation.org for the 10-year class reunion focused mentoring project that is used to set and reinforce goals. It all increases long term personal relationships, and doubled our graduation rates.
03:37 PM on 03/14/2012
It is a joy to see these two giants of U.S. Education debating the critical issues facing education. They have areas of agreement, and certainly have areas on which they battle, but both of them too often focus on what teachers do “to” or “for” students, or what students “receive.” That is the increasingly common failure in US education as education becomes less and less personal with increasingly crowded classrooms, or teachers districted by unrelated demands on their time.

Until our students focus on their own lives and futures, and truly plan their own futures, we will have no “silver bullet” progress. Ownership of the process is the issue. Personal relationships help ownership happen in a classroom. As teachers personally know students the most powerful type “ownership” happens. As they can talk about parents, goals, and personal happenings, that transformational “ownership” event happens. Ownership is assumed by the student! They own their education when they realize their own work makes it happen.

Such ownership increases in many ways. One is with the School Archive Project, a simple project described at www.studentmotivation.org. The potential for such long term personal student/teacher relationships also increases when schools are configured k-8, and not broken up with a 6-8 middle school. We must design our schools to increase personal realtionships and long term personal goals.
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02:53 PM on 03/14/2012
Deny, deflect, defend = the tune of the corrupted and well-financed billionaire's boys club puppet, Ms. Kopp (aka the privatization princess. Rhee is the queen) who has no interest in public institutions, only private graft and personal gain.
10:00 AM on 03/15/2012
I have my issues with Rhee's approach, but you're wrong on both counts. If you'd ever met or talked to either of them, you wouldn't be like this.
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10:00 AM on 03/14/2012
Please post the results of the rigorous research TFA and the mind trust in Indianapolis promised the public when TFA was being sold as the solution to poor student achievement. Nothing was presented, most say nothing of TFA anymore. So far, no rigorous research has found TFA teachers to outperform licensed teachers. One or two heavily manipulated studies found some to be as good as and a few to outperform in certain subjects, but not nearly as strongly as you suggest. As for your comment--"there's strong evidence that one of the most effective ways to break the cycle of poverty is to expand the mission of public schools in low-income communities and put enormous energy into providing children with the extra time and support they need to reach their potential," I agree, we pushed this back in the late 90's here in Indiana, but reformers such as yourself shouted it down, claiming the real problem was students trapped in failing govt schools, and you shifted the focus away from the community based schools approach. And TFA does nothing to put resources, training or focus on that approach now. But you have a slick presentation and money people behind you, so you must be right.
09:07 AM on 03/14/2012
This isn't so much a defense of optimism as it is an attempt to shield Kopp and TFA from some very legitimate criticism. But hey, she heads an organization that calls people with a five-week crash course that might, possibly, qualify them to be classroom aides "teachers." Mislabeling and muddying the waters probably gets to be a habit.
05:09 PM on 03/14/2012
Though a majority of two year masters programs with their focus on theory and not practice has about the same effect in training teachers.
06:32 AM on 03/15/2012
I know that TFA says so. TFA says a lot of things.
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06:44 AM on 03/14/2012
"bold change" is generally used as a code word for privatization, which is at best unrelated to school quality and at worst detrimental. there are decades of studies that show which education solutions are most effective, and none of them relate to the TfA model.

optimism i'm all for, but call me crazy, i'd rather use solutions that have actually proven to work.
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11:36 PM on 03/13/2012
Wendy, I call BS. You've had 20 years to close the achievement gap and you've accomplished that exactly NOWHERE! And while you say, "Finland's system for selecting, training and developing teachers in particular is worth exploring as we think about strategies for elevating the teaching profession in this country...", you place new college grads with 5 weeks of TFA training into our most challenging schools. Given that, listening to you discuss teacher quality, or anything regarding education, is humorous to say the least. The Feds gave you $50 million dollars for your organization last year. I suggest that you buy a clue. Leave our kids and our public schools alone. You're not good for either. Take your leadership program elsewhere!
10:04 AM on 03/15/2012
Dude, she can only get into so many schools! Twenty years is a long time, I grant you, but it takes decades to facilitate change in congress, and TFA only has so much funding and is only working in the poorest, most struggling districts. What do you propose for public schools to solve the endemic crises they are in while we wait?
02:29 PM on 03/15/2012
I propose staffing them with qualified teachers instead of glorified substitutes looking for a resume builder.
09:10 PM on 03/13/2012
Someone with three weeks of training is the equivalent of a teacher with a master's degree? How about Doctoring for America? I'm sure Wendy (tell me again how many years she taught?) wouldn't mind going under the knife with someone who spent three weeks in med school.
03:31 PM on 03/14/2012
One of the primary criticism of TFA (i.e., that teachers are given a "crash course" in training) could be applied to the medical profession as well. On average, surgical and internal medicine rotations ("class") at US medical schools (e.g., Hopkins and Harvard) are only 8 weeks long; for other rotations, it can be as little as 3 weeks. Real learning actually occurs once these doctors graduate from medical school and actually have to work in a hospital for residency. So, yes, the chances that someone goes under the knife by someone with only a few weeks of any real medical training is actually quite high. Like any other profession, improving at your craft is not because you sat in a classroom for four years - it happens on the job.
03:27 PM on 03/15/2012
Your argument falls flat if you think about it more than 2 seconds. Of course medical students perform small operation under supervision. That's how it is supposed to go, you study some and then you train in real life. That's how teaching should go: you go to college to gain the theoretical knowledge and then you are eased into classroom by observing experienced teachers do theri thing. Then you start teaching a lesson here and there under supervision while getting feedback and improving gradually.

The equivalent TFA for doctors would be if kids went to med school for five weeks and were asked to man the emergency room by themselves. And then some smart statistician could draw a graph showing how they sew up nearly as many bullet holes as the real doctors.
07:51 AM on 03/17/2012
So... the doctors learn NOTHING before they go into the operating room? Med school is just one long party, then?

I picked the wrong major.
07:24 PM on 03/13/2012
To all readers and commenters, you should applaud both Wendy and Diane for being active in a search for a solution. Dialogue, then implementation, are both key. However, calling something broken or a problem and then going about life complaining about said problem does nothing to improve the lives of the students who need us most. If you've got something negative to say, I suggest searching for a way to turn the negativity into a productive thought process, and then help those who are attempting to forge a solution to the problem. T

There are good veteran teachers, there are good TFA teachers, there are good first-year teachers coming out of education programs like those at Barnard College and Teacher's College. However, there are also many teachers (and as a product of a public school environment, I have been exposed to them), who are considered "senior" or "veteran," yet clearly these individuals have skills and interests that are better served in other fields. If I were less diplomatic, I would say that they should not be teachers, and they know it. I have met and observed teachers who are vocal about how much they dislike kids. Unacceptable, but understandable. There should be a career transition mechanism for such individuals.

There is room for improvement in all of us. We can never cease to build upon our open mindedness and acceptance. Please keep that in mind, because our kids stand to benefit!
08:47 AM on 03/14/2012
I applaud anybody who's being active in searching for a solution, but I'm not sure Kopp is. And really, if we put Kopp on the same level as Ravitch, we're twisting the dialogue you're asking for all out of shape. Einstein and Gomer Pyle might both have opinions about science, but we don't need to give equal time to both in pursuit of dialogue.
11:41 AM on 03/14/2012
I'm not sure about that. Ravitch has essentially given up. She's flip flopped on her solid ideas over the past few decades and is slowly, sadly becoming jaded and obsolete. Someone has to have fresh ideas and new solutions. I am not saying that TFA is not without room for improvement, but I went to a school in Los Angeles where teachers had no energy, no passion. Some of them actually hated children. At least TFA recruits students who have shown drive and leadership potential. The result, despite the insufficient training program, is jolting the teaching field with energy and refusal to quit. Whether a teacher comes from a year long certificate program, a five week crash course, or a graduate degree, there is nothing so sufficient to forge a teacher than trial by fire. I am all for supporting ALL those who care about bridging the gaps and learning from/working with their more veteran colleagues. Haters gonna hate, but I sure hope they grow up!