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Gay Marriage Battle Heats Up in North Carolina -- and Gets Personal

Posted: 09/01/11 02:18 PM ET

Despite the fact that the N.C. state constitution already defines marriage as between a man and a woman, conservative activists and politicians just can't leave the issue alone. They're proposing a 2012 state constitutional amendment that would further discriminate against LGBT residents, potentially even outlawing civil unions. As a gay man in a 17-year relationship, that affects me. Supporters of the amendment obviously fear me and my partner so much that they want to deny us, and others like us, any legal rights whatsoever.

I take it personally because I like to think of myself as one of the good guys, someone who works hard, pays his taxes, stays out of trouble and tries to get along with others because everyone benefits in the end. Who wouldn't take it personally if your relationship was called "perverted" by local church leaders and politicians? They even claim that legally recognizing my relationship will cause their own marriages to collapse! In my more magnanimous moments, I have often thought that if only these conservatives knew me and my partner, they wouldn't say such things. But they don't know us and they don't care; they care only about imposing their political and religious agenda on everyone in North Carolina.

So yes, this is personal. When I hear state officials lumping me and my partner in with dangerous criminals, that's personal. And when I hear religious leaders with whom I have a personal connection screaming about my "perverted lifestyle" from their pulpits and over the airwaves, yes, it's personal. One of those religious leaders is Rev. Ron Baity, who heads up Return America, a local group spearheading the proposed amendment. His wife taught me off and on for 13 years at a Christian school in Winston-Salem, NC, where I attended school with Baity's children.

When I realized Baity was behind this effort, I thought I'd send him a friendly email. And yes, it was friendly! I simply said, hello, your wife taught me years ago and here's a link to a thoughtful essay on democracy and gay rights. No, I didn't expect him to suddenly see the light, but I thought mentioning his wife in the email would get his attention (I'm sure he gets lots of hate mail, after all). It certainly did -- and he instructed me to never, ever use his wife's name in an email again, and then he promptly called me "perverted." Nice to hear from you, too, Reverend!

I'm enough of a good guy to hope that Baity might realize that I had been under the godly care of his wife for 13 years and still turned out to be gay -- and well, might that be worth something? Am I still so dangerous? The Christian school I attended was small, and while there are a few other openly gay former students out there, I'm guessing most haven't emailed Baity or his wife about gay rights. Baity and others like him have made this fight over gay marriage personal -- and now, I'm doing the same by naming him and his organization and committing myself to speak out about this issue.

I'm fine with Baity preaching what he wants at his Berean Baptist Church, but his religious beliefs should not become state policy. I'm a person of faith, too, but I have no desire to discriminate and legislate against others because of my spiritual beliefs as Baity does. In the email I sent, I guess Baity felt it was too personal to mention his wife (even though I said nothing inappropriate). Did I hit too close to home? Did I sully his precious family with dirty politics? Maybe now he knows how I feel, and yes, now it's personal.

If you're a North Carolina resident, visit Equality NC to learn more and find out what you can do to support LGBT rights and protect your own relationship.

 
Despite the fact that the N.C. state constitution already defines marriage as between a man and a woman, conservative activists and politicians just can't leave the issue alone. They're proposing a 20...
Despite the fact that the N.C. state constitution already defines marriage as between a man and a woman, conservative activists and politicians just can't leave the issue alone. They're proposing a 20...
 
 
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06:51 PM on 09/09/2011
I swear, I just don't understand my fellow Christians sometimes, and I'm a conservative to boot. I don't give a hoot what two people do in private, or if they want to be married partners for life. Here's the deal we live a representative republic not a theocracy. Our founding father's wanted as little government as possible, if my conservative friends are truly conservative then they should stand against laws like this. When my Savior walked the earth, he spent a good deal of his time reaching out to people and engaging them, even the ones his followers urged him to stay away from. Weather or not you're a Christian, I think his example was a pretty good one.
02:46 PM on 09/04/2011
Wes, I say post both he and his wife's name in multiple e-mails to whomever you wish. As long as you are truthful, they can't do anything about it.

One of the things I had admired about North Carolina when I lived there was they had never said anything about gay marriage while I was a resident, contrary to that "horrible" liberal place I'm from and am again resident - California. I'm sorry to hear that's changed and the bigot patrol, through the churches and Republican party in NC, is out in force with a Virginia style get out the vote effort.

I simply cannot believe how these people think it is appropriate to beat up people over and over again for no other reason than to drive the bigot vote. It's a sad day indeed when any major political party thinks it's appropriate to drive voter turnout by scapegoating minority populations.

Did we learn nothing from Germany in the 1930's?

Stuff like this is why I'm a firm believer that Churches and other religious organizations should be losing their tax-exempt status. If they want to be this involved in the political process then they should pay taxes like the rest of us.

If things don't change soon I'm getting out the passport of my other country and moving. I'm growing tired of living in a country where people feel enshrining discrimination into the constitution is appropriate. I'll go somewhere we're treated as the human beings we are.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
03:26 PM on 09/09/2011
Chris! Good to hear from you. Yes, NC has always been relatively calm on this issue, but some folks just can't leave well enough alone.

You make a very good point on the tax-exemption issue. I'm ok with folks believing what they want and preaching what they want, but when you cozy up to politicians etc, that's playing with fire, I think.
12:25 AM on 09/04/2011
This isn't even about "should we recognize gay couples or not". This is about taking the status quo (gay marriage isn't legally recognized in NC) and making it even harder for future societies to change it.

The people behind this amendment here need to either 1) get educated or 2) be honest and come clean. This is a wedge issue designed to turn out Republican voters in 2012. Nothing more.
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Norcal2
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03:37 PM on 09/02/2011
It's interesting to read the posts from people representing all segments of society that have suffered from personal and public attacks generated by these people.

Movements are created by people who have had enough and won't take it anymore. It seems that this time its being led by gays and lesbians.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
02:08 PM on 09/02/2011
A correction to my first line in article: there is already a state law against gay marriage in NC but it isn't yet in the state constitution. The proposed amendment would change that. Opponents of gay marriage want the constitutional amendment because it would be much more difficult to reverse than the law currently in place, and many states already have such constitutional amendments.

I apologize for the error.
03:25 PM on 09/02/2011
One would think, given what's going on with the Prop 8 trial here in California, that those behind these "constitutional amendments" might pause for a few moments and think, "Maybe we should see how that one is going to turn out, before we jump in with both feet and end up with a comparable mess." But logic and bigotry are seldom acquainted. Brace yourselves for the Prop 8-lite campaign, though. The PR agency that created the Prop 8 campaign (and which won national industry awards for it) has been very busy selling stripped-down versions all over the country these last few years. For them, the campaign is the gift that keeps on giving as they sell and re-sell that tired old princess commercial to local markets--and worse, much much worse. The lies and vitriol that will spew across your state will be unlike anything you've ever seen--it was certainly worse than most of us ever imagined given we are in the 21st century. We survived it, but it took its toll in California, and it will take its toll wherever else it is rolled out. Their sole objective is to portray gay men as subhuman predators who are a danger to children and decent society. There is no logic, truth or reason in the campaign, just endless vitriolic lies.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
07:53 PM on 09/02/2011
You're so right, and I hate to have my friends and loved ones go through this. Hopefully, it will rally the good people of this state to get out and fight. We shall see. And good luck in CA!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:57 PM on 09/09/2011
It is a disgrace what the bigots, along with the industries they fuel, do to GLBT people in this country. There is absolutely NO excuse for these hate campaigns. The only things that these haters spew are bigotry, hate, and ignorance. It is beyond disagreement, this drive to make sure GLBT couples cannot marry. Every state with a constitutional amendment that forbids GLBT marriage needs for its GLBT residents to challenge them, all the way to the Supreme Court.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
06:14 PM on 09/03/2011
either way, it is a wonderful article. And you are 100% right on everything. I am so sick of people lumpping my kid in with criminals, like murderers and rapist. Makes me sick. You have my 100% Lets hope here in Calif prop 8 soon dies.
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
01:42 PM on 09/02/2011
Don't count on spineless North Carolina Democrats to stand up to this shoddy, cheap ploy concocted by a fascist little conservative runt to distract from the economic downtown any more than Republicans.

They are mostly all weaklings and crooks --- bought and sold.
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talkstocoyotes
04:28 PM on 09/03/2011
Sounds like a few Democrats in Congress and in the White House.
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outgrowingfear1
Man is growing in consciousness
05:27 PM on 09/03/2011
I can't join them, they are one of the same. From frying pan to fire!
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outgrowingfear1
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10:46 AM on 09/02/2011
If being gay is a sin. And yes, it's in the holy book. But not in my world. Soon they will say not believing in their savior, jesus, is equally a SIN. And, yes, that's a sin, too, according to the bible. Going against gays then is useless, they should go against all unbelievers.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:05 PM on 09/09/2011
Pkease do not give them any more ideas! Already the Dominionists seem to think that they have a mandate to make everyone in this country a Christian--by force if necessary.
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Atwill
Christian puppets scare me
08:19 AM on 09/02/2011
The witer says "If they knew us" hat would enver happen becasue people so homophobic that they are willing to discriminate, will never go to the lenght to get to know you. They judge sight unseen.
02:28 PM on 09/02/2011
that's not true. I live in NYC, I cater, I go to 12 step groups, I talk to gay men almost every day of my life, I talk to lesbians (on the phone, not just cause I have to!) and I see people as people. However, I think marriage is for a man and a woman and I have no problem with civil commitments between gay men and women. I am not a bigot, I am not uneducated, I am constant contact and friends with gay men and I know them and yet I disagree.

When people make comments like you do about never getting to know others, it is really yourself that you are talking about. I am not looking to discriminate but I don't see two gay men as married in the same way that I see a man and a woman married.

Many gay marriage supporters are as ignorant of their opponents as their opponents are of them. People love to demonize others.
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Norcal2
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03:18 PM on 09/02/2011
Yes, but some groups get institutionally demonized...such as gays and lesbians.
03:43 PM on 09/02/2011
There are approximately 200,000 legally married same sex couples in this country and each couple has a credential (marriage license) identical to the credentials held by their also legally married but opposite sex counterparts. Yet only the opposite sex married couples benefit from the more than 1,000 considerations extended to them by the federal government--everything from tax breaks to immigrant sponsorship. We are not allowed access to any of those benefits, despite being legally married. So one group is obviously favored by the federal government. Most people would call that discrimination and not the way they believe America should function. Yet it does. You can dress it up, paint it up, call it whatever you like, but it still stinks of discrimination. It doesn't really matter to me whom you speak with at your groups or on the phone, or whom you believe to be "married." What matters is the fact that WE ARE MARRIED and we are being discriminated against by our government. So please do explain how that does not cause cognitive dissonance among "educated non-bigots" like yourself.
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Wayne Peterson
08:17 AM on 09/02/2011
These fundamentalist christians want to change our Pledge of Allegiance. They already have "under God" stuck into it.....now they want the final phrase to read...."with Liberty and Justice for Some".
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talkstocoyotes
09:05 AM on 09/02/2011
No; that would be "with Liberty and Justice For Us and Anyone We Think Is Just Like Us."
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
01:54 PM on 09/02/2011
true
10:38 PM on 09/01/2011
Nice article Wes.... Well done sir.
07:37 PM on 09/01/2011
Religious people do suffer from being vain, malicious, and wilfully ignorant, without much worrying about the effects on others; they are the representatives of God, after all (the only right one as, according to them, the others are all fakes.) On the other hand, we have to be grateful that modern secular governments do not permit their traditional response to difference: torture and mass murder.
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Since59
Read, learn, repeat
11:53 AM on 09/02/2011
No, not all religious people are that way. Just the scared ones.
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
01:54 PM on 09/02/2011
true
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talkstocoyotes
04:32 PM on 09/03/2011
I agree that not all religious people are that way, but fear doesn't always have much to do with it.
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obtusegoose
aka David in the O.C.
05:36 PM on 09/01/2011
This article makes it crystal clear that we're dealing with people that are irrational, and cannot be reasoned with. These people cannot be allowed to enshrine their religious beliefs into our secular society.

After years of reading articles like this, I'm still waiting for a rational (non-religious) legal reason why two couples of the same gender should not be allowed to make a legal commitment (marriage) with each other. So far, I've heard that napkins can't be paper towels; and that mothers will want to marry their children if gays can marry. As ironclad as those arguments are, I don't think the younger generation is very convinced. Especially when most of them have friends or family members who are gay.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
07:47 PM on 09/01/2011
So true. It reminds me that my nephew and niece haven't known me any other way except in a committed same-sex relationship, so I doubt they think the world is going to come crashing down if my partner and I are allowed to legally wed.
10:55 PM on 09/01/2011
“Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people.” -- Dr. House
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angelcakesinc
Silence is death
12:28 AM on 09/03/2011
So sad, and so true.
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Kelley Harrell
Neoshaman; author of 'Gift of the Dreamtime'
05:35 PM on 09/01/2011
I vote no to the government in any consenting adult relationship. Very frustrating stuff. Thanks for your thoughtful article.
04:51 PM on 09/01/2011
As a straight North Carolina man who has own discrimination issues coming from the same people but for different reasons, I am behind your cause 100%.
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Wes Isley
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07:54 PM on 09/01/2011
Thanks RoRo!
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Neenerpuss
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01:07 PM on 09/02/2011
Thank You RoRo
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mercury613
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04:51 PM on 09/01/2011
North Carolina's adultery rate is 200+% that of Massachusetts', where same-sex marriage is legal, yet religious conservatives in NC are demonizing gay people and accusing us of being responsible for their own bad behavior.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so predictable and pathetic.
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
01:56 PM on 09/02/2011
Write your rep. Now. Call him her on it.