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Do Schools Matter?

Posted: 09/18/11 05:20 PM ET

I recently had a conversation with a friend who is just beginning to engage on the topic of education reform and he asked me the following:

I've looked at the data for the schools in my city and there's a lockstep correlation between the percentage of children who receive free lunches and academic failure, so I guess the solution is to stop giving kids free lunches, as it's obviously impairing their ability to learn.

He was kidding, of course, and we both laughed, but then he continued:

Seriously, the poverty level of children correlates very highly with their academic performance, however you measure it: test scores, grades, dropout rates, college completion, etc. In addition, if one looks at the international results on the PISA reading test of 15-year-olds, while the U.S. overall ranks 15th in the world, U.S. Asian girls rank #1, beating even Shanghai, Korea and Finland, and girls as a whole rank #8. It is boys, low-income students, and black and Latino students who drag our average down. So, is it really fair to blame our educational system? Isn't the real issue poverty plus the problems boys and minorities are having?

It's a fair question -- and a point made often by the teachers unions and others who defend the current educational system in our country. So I look the time to answer him. Here's what I wrote:

You are correct that today, demography is destiny for most kids. In my slide presentation, A Right Denied, page 46 shows that virtually all kids from high-income families earn four-year college degrees, while few other kids do -- a mere 8% of kids from low-income families -- and the gap has widened dramatically over time.

In an increasingly knowledge-based world, getting a good education -- in particular, earning a four-year college degree -- has become more and more important (see median real earnings over time on page 5 of my presentation), yet only children in high-income families have responded by earning more college degrees -- everyone else, especially the poor, have largely stagnated.

The key question is why? Are poor kids (especially poor black and Latino kids) failing our schools, or are schools failing our poor, minority kids? At first glance, you might think the former, given the tight correlation between family background (most importantly, wealth/income) and educational outcomes.

But not so fast. The story is much more complex.

First of all, even our highest-scoring and wealthiest students do poorly when compared to their international peers, ranking 23rd of 29 nations in math among 15-year-olds (see pages 190-91).

As for the poor academic performance of low-income and minority students in the U.S., there are many reasons for this -- most beyond the control of schools. There is no doubt that children from troubled communities and families, in which few people have completed high school, much less college, are a challenge to educate. So let's be clear: parents and family background matter -- a lot! So much so that today, sadly, demography is destiny for most children.

In fact, if I could fix either all of the parents (broadly defined, meaning ending childhood poverty, making sure every child had plenty of books and both parents in the home, etc.) or all of the schools in America, I'd choose the former in a heartbeat. But I'm not sure it's possible to fix the parents -- and I know it's possible to fix the schools.

Here is the key thing to understand: if you take 1,000 disadvantaged kids and put them in mediocre (or worse) schools with mediocre (or worse) teachers, they will follow their parents' life trajectory in lockstep. However, if you take the same 1,000 kids and put them in a high-quality school with excellent teachers, you can dramatically improve the life outcomes of a large number of these children.

20 years ago, I couldn't prove this because, other than a few classrooms with teachers like Jaime Escalante, there were no examples of a large number of disadvantaged kids doing well thanks to their school.

But today I can prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt, both with statistics and with my own eyes, as I've visited over 100 schools that are generating extraordinary academic success with the most disadvantaged children. Most are public charter schools that select students by lottery, have comparable students and spend roughly the same per pupil as nearby chronically failing schools, and, in fact, sometimes share the same building.

For example, I've been on the board of KIPP (Knowledge is Power Program) in New York City for a decade. Over that time, KIPP has grown from two schools to 109, educating 32,000 students -- 95% black or Latino, 85% poor -- in 40 communities in 20 states and the District of Columbia. Approximately 95% of our 8th grade completers nationwide finish high school and over 85% enroll in college. These numbers far exceed the national averages for all students across all demographics. Additionally, 33% of the early KIPPsters have earned their bachelor's degree and another 5% have earned associate's degrees -- the rate earning bachelor's degrees is 4x the rate for students from low-income families and above the national rate for students across all demographics. There are now over 1,800 KIPPsters in college -- and by 2015, there will be over 10,000.

How do KIPP and a handful of other (mostly charter) schools succeed with the same students who are failing in regular public schools?

  1. They identify and train top-notch school leaders who are empowered and held accountable for building outstanding schools
  2. The school leaders focus on recruiting, training, motivating and retaining top teachers
  3. There is an extended school day and school year (KIPP students get 60% more class time than they would in regular public schools)
  4. There is an intense focus on character (as discussed in this recent NYT Magazine article). One study showed that grit and determination were twice as powerful as IQ in predicting life success. At KIPP, work hard, be nice, there are no shortcuts, we're climbing the mountain to college, etc. aren't just slogans

Given that we now know with certainty that very high quality schools and teachers can raise the academic performance of poor, minority kids to almost the level of wealthy kids, why isn't it happening more broadly?

The answer is that it's really hard. Money isn't the biggest obstacle -- some of the worst school districts in America spend nearly twice the national average per pupil. Rather, it's the way the system is structured -- largely to serve the needs of the adults, rather than the kids. There's nothing that KIPP is doing that couldn't be done by every school and school district in America, but it would really disrupt a system that, while failing millions of children, works very well for the adults. Witness, for example, the current fight in Chicago to extend the ultra-short school day by 90 minutes.

Over the past 40+ years, there have been five clear trends for the adults in the system: more jobs, higher pay, better benefits, fewer hours worked, and greater job security. And it's not just teachers who are benefiting; it's principals, administrators, custodians, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, etc. In addition, the school system is the largest employer in most cities, so it's a huge source of jobs, money, patronage and political power.

Another major issue is teacher talent. Places like Singapore and Finland only select teachers from the top 10% of college grads, while increasingly, our teachers are drawn from the bottom 1/3 (see pages 65-69).

A related problem is that teacher quality isn't random, which explains in part why poor, minority kids are doing so poorly. Wealthy kids get the best teachers, both based on which schools they attend, but also which teachers they get within each school, whereas poor kids get the short end of the stock (see pages 72-77). On average, poor, minority kids are much more likely to be taught by teachers who:

  • Didn't major or minor in the field they are teaching
  • Are inexperienced
  • Did poorly on SATs and other standardized tests
  • Got poor grades in high school and college
  • Attended noncompetitive colleges

Thus, we must reject a "blame the victim" mentality: children are not failing our schools; rather, our schools are failing far too many children.

However, given that many low-income, minority children enter school with two strikes against them, they need the best schools and teachers to change their life trajectories -- but instead our educational system gives them the worst. They overwhelmingly get the lowest quality teachers and schools.

In summary, the color of your skin and your zip code are almost entirely determinative of the quality of the public education this nation provides. This is deeply, profoundly wrong and is contrary to everything this nation stands for.

 
 
 
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06:27 PM on 09/24/2011
Hello? Mr. Tilson? I was wondering...have you actually read the comments posted on this article? Or, are you the kind of writer who doesn't respond to constructive feedback? Why don't you have the guts to reply? In case you haven't noticed, many of your readers starkly disagree with you. Aren't you going to defend your position?
01:41 PM on 09/24/2011
If charter schools are the answer to the schools who are 'failing' students, they should only accept students who are failing in their public schools. In these times of limited resources, we should be concentrating our most challenging students in these 'miracle' schools. Students who are not failing do not need an alternative.
01:42 AM on 09/21/2011
With all due respect Mr. Tilson, when you boast about KIPP schools superior education of poverty and minority students, please compare KIPP to schools that have the same demographic of parents as KIPP's. You fail to state that children attending KIPP are already ahead by having parents who made the effort to have their children go to a "better" school, with consequences for them not being involved. You simply are not comparing apples to apples.

What about children living in poverty who don't have those parents? Where do they go? They cannot be turned away, nor should they be. They have a right to an equal education to anyone else in our country, which KIPP doesn't provide when they choose/lottery interested families and dismiss children/families who don't follow the rules. Why don't you address this in these comments? Please explain.

To prove the point that KIPP does well with children living in poverty, who also have parents who are involved on a daily basis with their children's education, than compare KIPP with schools with same population of parents and rules to abide by (and special ed services), and expound on that.

When KIPP takes in everyone in their neighborhood, including special education students and children with parents who could care less about school, and doesn't kick anyone out, and succeeds in educating poor and minority children, then you have my full attention and credibility. Until then, you really need to address these elephants in the KIPP room.
01:38 PM on 09/20/2011
Good article with some important points. Good teachers are key. We need teachers that know how to work with kids that don't come to school perfectly ready and motivated to learn. Many teachers I come into contact with think that it isn't their job to motivate kids. But it is and you can be good at it and you can change their lives. Instead, these kids end up becoming behavior problems and are evaluated for special education. I see this all the time.
10:31 PM on 09/20/2011
You might as well say "Many teachers I come into contact with think it isn't their job to parent."
11:38 PM on 09/20/2011
No way! Knowing how to properly motivate kids is a HUGE part of being a great teacher.
07:26 AM on 09/21/2011
A teacher can be motivate, but if it's not being reinforced at home, what are they supposed to do? Honestly, all the reformers I've seen are all about motivation without dealing with substance and reality. Just part of the scam they run.
09:17 AM on 09/20/2011
Your way of closing the achievement gap is fruitless and will only succeed by bringing high performers down. If reformers want to do something useful (and their current MO of sticking their uninformed noses into schools is not), why don't you start funding programs to educate and assist parents on public assistance or any parent interested?

The achievement gap exists LONG BEFORE a kid starts school. Run classes for parents of newborns-five years old. Support job training and child care for young, uneducated parents who NEED to provide and lay an educational foundation for their own kids if they want to break the cycle of poverty. Teach basic cooking skills of inexpensive ingredients, importance of reading to your children, involvement in school, going to the library, taking advantage of the free museum in most urban areas. Teach them to advocate and support their own kids. If anyone is living in public housing, collecting welfare, food stamps or WIC - I don't see why we can't require them to take classes so they can provide for themselves and eventually be self-sufficient.

I cannot stress enough that the achievement gap is evident by the time kids are two or three. Stop asking the schools to undo something they did not create.
01:36 PM on 09/23/2011
am10, Although I agree with your last sentence, I know there are many programs, education, and motivators to get parents to achieve self worth and independence. A lot of low income parents (especially immigrants ) do not take advantage of these programs. It is not the child's fault that their parent's don't have interest in their education. Culture plays a huge part in education in this country. I believe there should be requirements attached to public assistance. Some of these parents have been in poverty since they were born and feel that it is the job of teachers and staff to provide the tools their children need to be successful. Like it or not, a teacher's role in a child's life has changed dramatically over the years and expectations are sometimes impossible to achieve.
06:48 PM on 09/19/2011
Interesting that the guy who's "just beginning to engage on the topic of education reform" understands this issue MUCH better than the "expert" who sits on a KIPP board.
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06:24 PM on 09/19/2011
Seems to me that the best models are always the ones in which parents have as much invested in the outcome as the students. To me, Geoffrey Canada's Harlem Children's Zone schools have the right idea in essentially formulating a contract with parents: we'll give your kids the very best of our attention here during the school day, but you, Mom & Dad, must make sure your kids are (a) doing their homework and (b) taking their education seriously. It's essentially a cradle to college proposition and it seems to work very well.

My vote would be to try to replicate that model for public schools in tough neighborhoods because the likelihood of kids succeeding without parental commitment is next to none.
08:54 AM on 09/20/2011
That is absolutely a way to go. However, the reality of collecting money the way Geoffrey Canada does for his two schools will not be possible for every school in the country.
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11:13 AM on 09/20/2011
It wouldn't have to be for every school in the country; just those that are persistently lagging.
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02:08 PM on 09/19/2011
I think too many folks are jumping on the anti-KIPP bandwagon. What options did these parents have before the existence of KIPP schools? None. They had to go to schools who failed their communities for generations and produced few if any college students. Affluent parents have all sorts of options for the education of their children including the most impactful one - the ability to choose the community they live in. Don't throw out the results of KIPP and other charter networks just based on the fact that they may cream the best students and most motivated families. Affluent communities cream all of the time through high cost of living.

Put things in perspective. KIPP and other charters are providing an answer to many families. They are not providing the answer to education as a whole, but providing important choices to that all affluent families have.
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03:16 PM on 09/19/2011
No, wrong, Instead of funding these neighborhood schools and giving the kids the additional supports in their neighborhood public schools, cities and states decided to just shut them down. Now these children have to "Win" a seat at a charter. That's not providing a free and fair and fully funded education. And when these kids don't make the grade, guess what, they are forced out.
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04:59 PM on 09/19/2011
When did poor kids ever get additional supports in their neighborhood schools? If the system was working, alternatives would not need to be present. Your argument is one of crabs in the bucket. What would you do if your children what at a school that was failing kids for the last 50-100 years?
08:31 PM on 09/19/2011
Uh...when has money ever fixed the educational problems that exist? Every year, we spend more money and have the same problems in those failing schools. The problem isn't money, it's leadership. strongschoolculture.wordpress.com
09:00 AM on 09/20/2011
Why do you not get that parents ARE the public school? Public schools: run by public, funded by public, voted on by public, success determined by involved public. I am far from wealthy and cannot choose superior school districts. But I can choose to be involved in the school and make sure my kids are getting it done just as much as the teachers get it done. I understand that you've accepted that many parents simply aren't going to live up to their responsibility….just as most inner city schools understandably have. Fine. However, you can create all the charters you want for parents who care - you are still leaving the truly disadvantaged behind. Charters are just the next flight. If you want to improve these "schools that have failed", why don't you fight to give them the same autonomy that charters currently have? Let them throw out kids and collect private donations.

BTW, can you please explain how both KIPP and HCZ can get away with tossing out half their classes so they can brag about a 100% college acceptance rate and still not be questioned?
12:32 PM on 09/19/2011
sigh... another KIPP propaganda piece. As a former KIPP teacher (I escaped to save my soul from that soul crushing place) I can say, KIPP will destroy public education if they are allowed to continue to expand their school and their agenda that is attached is those schools. Curious to me sir, that as an organization supposedly out there to altruistically battle poverty and the effects of poverty, you continue to take money from the GAP, sucking on that money teet. GAP! They're really into giving the world's poor educational opportunities, right? Right after working 12 hours in their sweatshops for a nickel an hour. Please. Get off your mantle and join the rest of us in the real world. KIPP blows.
01:56 PM on 09/19/2011
I'd love to hear more about your experiences. What instructional methods did you use, and were they dictated by KIPP?
Btw, great username.
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12:11 PM on 09/25/2011
My Schools Matter colleague, Dr. James Horn, is always looking for stories of KIPP survivors for his ongoing chronicles of the of those centers of cultural sterilization. Please contact us if you want to share your story.

http://www.schoolsmatter.info/
09:14 AM on 09/19/2011
"...a point made often by the teachers unions and others who defend the current educational system in our country."

Didn't Al Franken write a book about lying liars? We don't defend the current system.

The current system is designed to highlight & exacerbate failure. Test & punish, narrow the curriculum, put low skilled kids in the classes that least interest them, double their math & reading time, so they're miserable and drop out.

The current system is woefully underfunded; teachers, principals & other school workers are stressed and the system is about to crack. Just in time for a wave of retirements. Will your 2 year TFA resume builders be able to replace these folks? Nope, they'll just perform their mercenary role, get out & say the system needs reform.
08:36 PM on 09/19/2011
Underfunded? In what country do you live in?! The problem is not money. We spend more than anyone in the world on education and yet we fail to produce any results. You need to read the data before you make your comments known. strongschoolculture.wordpress.com
06:33 AM on 09/20/2011
When students are crammed over 40 to a class and the teacher has to buy paper and pencils out of his or her meager paycheck and make copies of books because the school doesn't have enough to issue one to each student, the system is certainly underfunded at the building level.

That's not to say that some of the money we're currently wasting on ridiculous amounts of testing couldn't be re-allocated to mitigate those problems, but the education part of the education system is absolutely underfunded.
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09:06 AM on 09/20/2011
yes, we do...but where does it go? not to the classroom, and not to the people actually doing the teaching. Why does some dumb admin have an expense account? what expenses does he have?
12:41 AM on 09/19/2011
The public schools could have good test scores if they could get rid of the disaffected and uninterested students as well. Of course they would have far fewer students and many students would not be in school at all then. You can't compare the situations. And it is far from clear that short term runs of significantly better than expected results are scalable or repeatable. There has been enough cheating to raise questions and selection effects in small schools can have a significant impact.

The KIPP approach is not shown by the available evidence at this point to be both scalable and demonstrably superior.

By the way, just looking at poverty is not enough. New immigrants from cultures that value education and hard work are going to confound the econometric statistics - even if they have language issues. This will be particularly true if they have intact families. If you do not correct for this in your evaluations, you can have sizable systematic changes that will be misinterpreted.
11:03 PM on 09/18/2011
Look at this post which compares charter vs. non-charter schools in terms of standardized test performance... the graphics from the University of Texas do a great job of showing how poverty is related to performance. http://www.theurbn.com/2011/06/its-the-poverty-stupid/

There are a few outliers which perform as the KIPP schools Mr. Whitney uses as examples, but the commenters are correct in pointing out that KIPP "creams" the best performing and "pushes out" the disruptive or worst performing students which non-charter schools cannot do. It's also worth looking at teacher turnover rate at KIPP and other charters. In Chicago charters have significantly higher teacher turn-over rates than non-charters.

The schools that seem to be "working miracles" with the most deprived students are often unsustainable. Unless we are willing to invest in smaller classes and wrap-around social services for the lowest income kids, we can't scale up these sorts of schools.

It's true that our students aren't failing us, but it is our society that is failing our students by depriving them of the schools they deserve. Of course we need great teachers, but if you put a great teacher into an overcrowded and under-resourced school full of kids who have been deprived since the moment of their conception that great teacher will struggle to help their students achieve a year of academic growth... let alone make up for the prior decade of weaker growth.
09:44 PM on 09/18/2011
Wow. I was just so discombobulated from reading this, but yet again Whitney shows his contradictory side and his hypocrisy. Let's look at the fourth from last paragraph.
Whitney sez that minority kids are much more likely to be taught by teachers who:

Didn't major or minor in the field they are teaching
Well this is every single person coming out of Teach For America. On this point I'll agree with Whitney. Out with all TFA teachers!! I can;t think of one TFA teacher that majored in Russian Literature that is teaching that subject now in the inner city.

Are inexperienced
See above. Not one single Teach For America teacher has had any experience. Please remove all TFA's from teaching immediately.

Did poorly on SATs and other standardized tests
Doing well on SAT's and standardized tests means jack. Show us proof of this.

Got poor grades in high school and college
What are poor grades? Perhaps those with poor grades had rotten teachers? Not really. Perhaps those with poor grades came from dysfunctional homes? Perhaps, those with poor grades were just immature and teenagers.

Attended noncompetitive colleges
Non-competitive colleges? What exactly does this mean? Is SUNY-New Paltz acceptable? Is Mercy College OK? Or should all teachers come from Harvard as you did Whitney? Please do elaborate.
08:44 PM on 09/19/2011
I will have to agree with you on this one SoBronxSchool. I have worked with many great teachers that do not fit the criteria Whitney has mentioned, and have worked with some bad teachers that do meet the criteria. The criteria outlined does not necessarily impact student success, especially when working with younger students.

However, I will say that it is unfortunate that when compared to other countries the US Educational sector does a horrible job at recruiting smart and academically successful college students. Corporate America snags them before we even have a chance. Primarily some of these issues come to play because we do not actually esteem and respect the job of teaching. It is somehow considered a Plan B, for most who cannot accomplish their Plan A. strongschoolculture.wordpress.com
08:06 PM on 09/18/2011
If students are selected by lottery how can they be comparable to students in Traditional Public Schools, like for example, Jamaica High School in Queens? Or Lehman in the Bronx? They cant. Why? These very solid, local High Schools cannot screen or "select" by lottery, in fact, the above two schools take students no one else would take because they represent "bad data."
Most PLA schools in New York City are "low achieving" because they turn no one away, whether it's on lottery day (lottery means not everyone wins) or mid-year, over-age and under-credited. It's convenient for readers of this article to think families come in one of three or four sizes, but in fact it's much much sloppier than that. For example: hundreds and hundreds of students who come from poor "families" may not even have a "family", they may be living with a cousin, in a shelter, or they may be estranged from their blood relatives.
There are answers. There are solutions. I'm not sure the last decade of reform has brought either.
07:06 PM on 09/18/2011
Also, Mr Tilson, let us not forget that you are not simply the altruistic person you claim to be. I suppose we are to believe that YOU just care about the kids, but the teachers who give their all, sacrifice their own time and money for the children they serve, are nothing more than stupid, greedy, self-interested nobodies? I think not.

Let us remember that you DO profit from the charter school movement. See David Sirota's excellent article that reminds us of the self-interests on both sides (teachers and corporate reformers): http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/09/12/reformmoney Corporate reformers are making serious money, claiming schools alone can eradicate poverty shifts any personal responsibility from discussing the real issue of poverty in America, and the support of charter schools supports corporate America's desire to break unions everywhere. Teacher's interests, while self-serving, are far more aligned with students' needs since they ask for better working conditions (=learning conditions) and better compensation so schools can actually attract those best and brightest you talk about.

Show me you care about the poor and minority students in this country by supporting, not bashing, the teachers who serve them.
07:50 PM on 09/18/2011
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09:22 AM on 09/20/2011
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