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Welcome Back, Gang of Six

Posted: 07/21/11 05:43 PM ET

Not a moment too soon, the Gang of Six has resurfaced in the U.S. Senate, breathing new life into hopes for a bipartisan "grand bargain" on deficit reduction.

Even if Eric Cantor were abducted by aliens, there's no way that Congress could pass the Gang's elaborate plan to solve the debt crisis before Aug. 2. But the Gang's resurgence, with growing support from GOP senators, adds to mounting public pressure on House Republicans to end their self-isolating intransigence on taxes.

Several weeks ago, the Gang looked moribund after a key member, Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), went on walkabout. To their immense credit, however, Gang leaders Mark Warner (D-Va.) and Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) persevered, got Coburn back in the fold, and unveiled their new plan before 46 Republican and Democratic senators this week. President Obama, who has stood strangely aloof from the Gang's efforts to find common ground, pronounced the new package "consistent" with his views.

The new blueprint, like the original, is based on the Bowles-Simpson fiscal commission plan. It envisions two steps: First, an immediate, $500 billion "down payment" on deficit reduction; followed by more comprehensive reform. Altogether, the Gang calls for $3.7 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. That's about what budget experts say is necessary to first stabilize, then start shrinking, the national debt.

Another Gang leader, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-Mont.), said today there is talk on Capitol Hill of using the $500 billion cut to win a short-term extension of the debt limit. That could give lawmakers more time to hammer out a permanent solution to the fiscal crisis that includes both increased tax revenues and entitlement reform.

The Gang's revised plan proposes deep cuts in Medicare and other health spending, while -- sorry Rep. Ryan -- apparently maintaining the structure of Medicare and Medicaid. It would achieve about $1 trillion in savings by capping domestic spending, including defense, over the next decade. These cuts are way beyond cosmetic.

The new plan also embraces the fiscal commission's key proposal on tax reform. It would raise around $1 trillion over the next decade by closing tax loopholes, using the savings both to dramatically lower income and corporate tax rates, and reduce the deficit. Spared are tax credits for low-wage workers and families with children. More affluent taxpayers will welcome the Gang's call to abolish the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The fiscal commission achieved a political breakthrough when Republicans senators embraced tax reform, and some Democrats agreed to cut Social Security benefits for affluent retirees and raise the retirement age. Here the new blueprint disappoints. Basically it punts to the Senate Finance Committee, which is charged with drafting a plan to assure Social Security's solvency over the next 75 years. The Gang also says efforts to reform Social Security should only take place "on a separate track... any savings from the programs must go toward solvency." This may placate liberals, but could alienate conservatives who suspect Democrats aren't really serious about entitlement reform.

The big question, of course, is whether the Gang's plan could ever get through the House. For starters, it violates the Tea Party's prime imperative -- that revenues can be raised for no other purpose than cutting tax rates. Moreover, Ezra Klein reports that it also appears to assume the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. If House Republicans won't yield on taxes, don't expect House liberals to deal on entitlement reform.

Still, a lot depends on how the debt limit battle plays out. New polls show voters are more likely to see Republicans as standing in the way of compromise than Obama and the Democrats. If things get really ugly -- if the federal government can't pay salaries or mail benefit checks on Aug. 3 -- such suspicions could quickly turn into a furious backlash.

In any case, the Gang's initiative illuminates a growing rift between House and Senate Republicans, both on taxes and negotiating tactics. By saying, in effect, "Hell no" to balanced proposals to cut deficits, House Republicans are forfeiting a rare opportunity to get Democrats to swallow huge, multi-trillion-dollar cuts in federal spending. Apparently, real conservatives prefer big government to tax hikes.

On the other side, progressives aren't likely to get a better offer than the one Warner and company are offering. No one knows this better than President Obama, who's been beating his head against the wall of GOP recalcitrance for weeks. And that's why, once the debt limit is raised, he ought to throw in with the Gang of Six.

This item is cross-posted at Progressive Fix.

 
 
 
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raker
09:53 PM on 07/23/2011
These "gang" solutions to congressional impasses are all alike. Republicans and Republicans-who-ran-as-Democrats come together and offer Republican proposals with not even a crumb to Democrats, and it's applauded as a "bipartisan" solution. No thank you. I say let the Republicans blow the whole place up. No giving in to extortionists.
04:41 PM on 07/22/2011
Shut up Will. They are going to reduce the country to 2 groups: the slaves and the billionaires. I am depressed out of my mind today. Our President cannot stop trying to make friends with the GOP who are taking him for a dope. I have NO CONFIDENCE that he will stand tough. That is what is depressing.
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RUKidding0
Freedom is Fundamental
11:31 AM on 07/22/2011
While I support raising the debt limit in increments of 6 months, NOTHING that anyone says or does will EVER justify increasing government spending.
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Robert Turner
News? I hurt the news.
11:30 AM on 07/22/2011
Separate the budget negotiations from the debt ceiling and pass the debt ceiling limit increase. Period. End of story.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:52 PM on 07/22/2011
You seem to to missing something. The Democrats ran up the bill by buying cotton candy, $4 trillion worth. Of course it has all disappeared and now there is a bill to pay. The democrats want to remake Americans into their indentured servants and to reach their goals they want to raise taxes more. They can buy more cotton candy and this will make more poor Americans.

Repuiblicans are selling the idea that everyone in the country has a chance to be successful if they can get the tax burden and the size of government reduced.

The debt ceiling could have been addressed a long time ago, but the Democrats have found a new exciting negotiating tool - CRISIS - The big push on crisis policy making started with the Democrat controlled congress in 2007, when they merrily along claiming Fannie and Freddie were just fine... all the way until it wasn't. - CRISIS- Throw a trillion bucks into the Potomac.

Now they may well cause the a default on the debt ceiling and they have convinced their blind followers that the GOP will be blamed when interest rates skyrocket and more people loose their jobs and homes.

With that in mind, the GOP is using their crisis to negotiate with them to get you a tax break, a break for your children's debt and a more stable economy.

But that works against Democrats' perception of what is in their best interest.
04:48 PM on 07/22/2011
Man you have fallen for it. Obama did not buy $3Trillion in junk. The deficit came from Bush and his 2 unpaid for wars. They paid for it ALL with SUPPLEMENTAL BILLS so that it was off budget. Cheney said, "Deficits are no big deal".
When Obama took office he declared that the wars would be in the budget for the Americans to see. No more hiding. So now they accuse him of ratcheting up the budgets. Get real. The costs of war are real. Bush refused to tells us that . He just hid them. Now we are trying to face them and you get all excited because they were "Obama's fault"??
Deal with the situation. Don't just retreat and accuse. We need revenues to pay for the wars. The people who are making big bucks on war should be taxed for it. The Bankers who were bailed out BY US should be taxed to get that money back into circulation.They are still not lending it to Americans. It is all in bonuses and speculation. Tax the bonuses and speculation.
That is the crisis. The money has been leaking out of the economy to the greedy hands of the wealthy who know how to hide it. If the GOP get their way, our government does nothing but pass legislation for the corporations to make us all their slaves for less than minimum wage.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
11:07 AM on 07/22/2011
First, Thanks for a fair assessment of the 'gang of six' recommendations. I do have a few problems with the it though.

You say, "it violates the Tea Party's prime imperative -- that revenues can be raised for no other purpose than cutting tax rates."

I am trying to understand what that means. Do you mean 'raised for discussion?' Otherwise I don't know how one would raise and cut the same thing at the same time.

I believe the Tea Party is pushing fiscal responsibility, something that has been absent from the federal government for decades. Fiscal irresponsibility is what got main stream Americans off the couch and onto the protest circuit.

I consider myself to be a Tea Party supporter and I am not against raising income taxes. I believe every who earns an income should treated equally under the law. So, if you want to have income taxes at all everyone should be paying the same rate. This would mean the vast majority of federal income tax revenues would still come from the rich, but it would be fair as they earn more. I am not rich and I paid about $9K in taxes last year. If I had made $200K and paid at the same rate (15%), my taxes would have been $30K without deductions.

A flat and fair tax is necessary.
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CitizenZoe
12:06 PM on 07/22/2011
And I'll give you that you speak well and not like other Tea party members at all. I disagree about a flat tax as we do not have equal opportunity in this country and that we have a serious gap between the rich and the poor...
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:54 PM on 07/22/2011
Sorry you feel that way. If enough people can get past the idea that they cannot help themselves, they would quickly find that they can be successful. It just takes some diligence and working towards a goal.
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Aldyth
Advocating for those who cannot defend themselves.
10:02 AM on 07/22/2011
I would support aliens abducting Cantor.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
02:00 PM on 07/22/2011
I do not understand why anyone would wish that on anyone.
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Patriot86
Compassion is the basis of all morality.
07:28 AM on 07/22/2011
Do not cave to the Republicans who's idea of tax reform is to take away the House deduction...get a clean bill or tell the GOP to pound sand.
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unionave
Old Codger
03:55 AM on 07/22/2011
When it comes to making wars the Republicans are right up front . Their "war on terror" has now shifted to "war on poor" . While addressing the United Nations GWB told the world "If you are not with us you are against us" . That killed any chance of him and his party ever being a friend of the poor . The "little people" are the enemy and are not allowed in that crowd . And the Republican Congress is working to make sure things stay that way . After all , without the poor there would be no rich . And the poorer the poor are , the richer the rich .
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
01:59 PM on 07/22/2011
Their "war on terror" has now shifted to "war on poor"

How so?
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Miles Mogulescu
01:49 AM on 07/22/2011
The headline to this post should be "Gangster 6 Try to Mug the Middle Class". First, in the short to mid-range, deficits not nearly as serious a problem as unemployment and stagnating middle class incomes. Second, the biggest causes of deficits are the Bush Tax Cuts, needless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which have cost trillions, Bush's Medicare drug plan which wasn't paid for, and the Bank-caused Great Recession which reduces tax revenues and increases government spending like food stamps and unemployment. The Gang of 6, like the conservative chairs of the Simpson-Bowles commission, try to cut the deficit without addressing any of these real causes. Instead they propose 2/3 spending cuts to 1/3 revenue increases, cuts to social security which do not impact the deficit, cuts to Medicare/Medicaid, elimination of tax deductions which benefit the middle class, and lower tax rates for the wealthy and corporations. Shame on them, and shame on President Obama for encouraging them.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
04:08 PM on 07/22/2011
Mr. Miles. I must disagree.

The cause of "unemployme­nt and stagnating middle class incomes" is caused by debt and deficits along with other factors, such as banks reluctance to loan money when the government demonizes and is promising to pound them if they make a profit. Better to to wait.

The deficits add to the debt and the debt (money we owe) causes inflation. The US dollar has lost 25% of its value in the last ten years and that is the reason oil and then gasoline costs so much. It was around a dollar per gallon in 2000, around $2.00 when Obama took office, but now costs $3.60 per gallon. This cause everything else to cost more. Businesses have to save where they can or go bankrupt (where everyone loses their job), so they lay off workers and certainly look very hard before hiring new employees. And that is especially tough when you realize that the government is going force you to buy sky-high priced health care insurance for current and new employees and pound you if you make a profit. It makes better business sense to hold back as long as possible.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
04:23 PM on 07/22/2011
"he biggest causes of deficits are the Bush Tax Cuts"

I have to disagree again. The tax cuts cuts brought us out of a recession and created 8.5 million jobs, grew the GDP, increased paychecks, and raised more in income taxes.

Partisans will argue that there were no net jobs created under Bush, but they are counting the numbers after the congress changed hands the numbers started falling in late 2007. Look it up, President Bush's unemployment rate averaged below 5% for most of his presidency and went up to about 7.5% in late 2008.

Unemployment did not go up to 12% until Obama had the reigns for a while and after their stimulus plan.

"the Bank-cause­d Great Recession"

The recession was allowed to happen against the advice of the Bush administration on at least 8 occasions and as late as the middle of 2007. The response from Senate and House Democrats was 'everything is fine' and refused to do anything about it. They knew that since Bush was president, he would get the blame, not them. In 2007 before the mortgage meltdown, the House Banking Committee Chairperson, Mr. Frank, said the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were "stable" and in "fine shape".

So who are you blaming? Who is the president blaming? Who are the Democrat's willing accomplices in the legacy media blaming?

I guess the Democrats know who is supporting them, ay?
01:14 AM on 07/22/2011
who gives a rip what the "president" of the "progressive policy institute" thinks? how did he get that position? is he also it's "founder"? is his intellect third-, fourth-, or fifth-rate?
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jstrate
12:26 AM on 07/22/2011
What percentage of spending on Medicare and Medicaid is fraud and waste? That's where savings can be found that benefit nearly everyone. Spend less, get more. Sounds utopian, but it surely can be done in the health care area. For example, where's the great need to spend tens of thousands of dollars on care for a terminally ill 88 year old to extend their pain and suffering for a few extra weeks? What about the unnecessary surgeries and drugs? Health care: We have done too much with so much for so long we would like to do everything for everyone always.
01:24 AM on 07/22/2011
what percentage of ignorant comments concern health care fraud and waste by commenters who obviously cannot even define the terms let alone assess any "percentages" let alone propose anything reasonable about the problem?
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
08:19 PM on 07/22/2011
Are you vying for a position on one of the ObamaCare Death Panels?
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11:23 PM on 07/21/2011
"But Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), who helped craft the tentative deal, said the additional revenue brought in by the group’s plan comes not from raising taxes, but from economic growth.

“There is more rate reduction in our policy proposals, in our plan, than there is eliminatio­n of tax expenditur­es. Period,” he said.

And Crapo said what extra revenue that comes in will be from economic growth spurred by lower rates and the simpler tax code that the gang of six envisions.­"

-http://www­.rollcall.­com/issues­/57_11/Tax­-Issues-Co­uld-Derail­-Gang-of-S­ix-207532-­1.html?zkM­obileView=­false

Second, he argues the Gang of Six Proposal wouldn’t raise taxes. It would raise revenue by reducing many tax rates and flattening the tax codes, he says.

“I’m aware of the attack that this raises taxes,” Crapo says. “If you do the calculatio­ns, the total amount of tax relief exceeds the tax revenue. It’s a very big step toward a three-tier­ed, much flatter tax.”

-http://www­.inlander.­com/spokan­e/blog-363­4-idaho-se­n-mike-cra­po-and-gan­g-of-six-m­ember-tell­s-.html
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Lonewolf2347
Just say NO2O:2012!
10:58 PM on 07/21/2011
It is not fair that 50% of Americans pay Federal Income Taxes while the rest do not and in some cases they get a big fat refund that is more than they paid in (with child tax credits). EVERYONE should be paying taxes since everyone benefits from taxes paid and all this re-distribution of wealth thru the taxcode needs to stop immediately! I am tired of seeing Americans who are successful being demonized by the Liberal Media and when Obama talks about sharing the wealth then it is very clear why our economy is in the crapper.....
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11:12 PM on 07/21/2011
You should really take into account the total tax burden (federal, local, and state) and from what I've read it isn't nearly as progressive as you seem to think: http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2011.pdf

Another source:

"The study’s main finding is that nearly every state and local tax system takes a much
greater share of income from middle- and low-income families than from the wealthy. That
is, when all state and local income, sales, excise and property taxes are added up, most state
tax systems are regressive."

-http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3.pdf
01:18 AM on 07/22/2011
so what's your point? that 50% of Americans should have NO stake in FEDERAL income taxes? and why not? because they pay OTHER taxes? what is the logic, the sense, the reason there?
12:26 PM on 07/22/2011
Please define "fair" considering that wealth is already being redistributed upwards. I also hear that federal income tax isn't the only tax paid by Americans; perhaps you could address any unfairness in these taxes as well.
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Mover
Father, Husband, Ret 1SG
08:46 PM on 07/22/2011
fair is a flat income tax rate. Say 15% across the range of earnings. No deductions no hoops, no record keeping nor payments to accountants or fines to the IRS.
10:55 PM on 07/21/2011
Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) - Puppet Master of Deficit Shell Game

A recent editorial by Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) in USA TODAY titled Opposing view: Just say no to higher taxes

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-07-04-opposing-view-debt-limit-taxes_n.htm

speaks volumes regarding the Obama administration’s misjudgment with the Fiscal Commission.
Demands for the Commission arose from the 2008 book/movie I.O.U.S.A. highlighted: the Leadership, trade, savings and budget deficits; the first three being the most middle class relevant and root causes of the budget deficit, the tip of the iceberg. The ATR’s pledge signers (not permitted to negotiate in good faith) limit the focus only to spending, throwing middle class relevant deficits under the bus and allow ATR to be the Puppet Master of a deficit shell game.
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10:35 PM on 07/21/2011
I worry that the Gang of Six's plan could very well screw over the middle class as there is a distinct possibilit­­y that the reductions in tax expenditur­­es (deduction­­s and credits for home ownership, charitable giving, etc.) will be reformed/r­­educed in such a way that it will fall equally hard on the wealthy and those below them. Putting a cap (or a lower cap where applicable­­) on deductions would ensure the wealthy are carrying more of the burden, but it is unclear that the Gang of Six or Congress would support that.

Completely eliminatin­­g the AMT, which for now mostly falls on the wealthy, and reducing top rates isn't exactly encouraging in my view. Add the territoria­­l tax system for corporate taxation (allowing corporatio­­ns to escape taxes for all the profits they make overseas), the chained CPI (which not only reduces benefits, but also appears to raise taxes regressive­­ly), and vague calls for Social Security reform and Medicare reform on top of the above and we could have a disaster waiting to happen.

We are best advised not to include the Gang of Six agenda in a debt reduction deal. From what I can tell it is atrocious (and horribly vague) policy that threatens to do even greater damage to an already vulnerable middle class.
01:19 AM on 07/22/2011
neurotics build castles in the air and psychotics live in them. your rent is due.