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Debating in Disarray: Searching for Some Clarity in the Republican Presidential Mess

Posted: 02/24/2012 6:04 pm

If Wednesday night was the last Republican presidential debate, it sure was another missed opportunity. And a great example of the deep disarray afflicting the Republican field at this stage of the race.

What do we know, in this period after the last debate and before Tuesday's must-win primaries for Mitt Romney?


* Rick Santorum makes only a so-so frontrunner.

In the latest Gallup Poll, Santorum has expanded his lead over Romney among Republicans nationally. Santorum now leads Romney, 36% to 26%. Gingrich, the former leader, is now a distant third at 13%. Paul, his much-hyped libertarian uprising having fallen short even in lightly-attended caucus states, brings up the rear with 11%.

Santorum is an effective speaker and a good debater. He has a generally pleasant manner yet carries some authority. But he allowed himself to be thrown off his game by Romney's relentless attacks in his first debate as the frontrunner.

He can't have been surprised by Romney's approach. It's what Romney does when he's in trouble. He doesn't play up the passion of his positive message, such as it is, he launches attacks.


Days before a must-win primary in his home state of Michigan, Mitt Romney highlighted his staunchly supply-side economic plan in what was billed as a major campaign speech delivered at a cavernous and largely empty football stadium in Detroit.


* Ron Paul is Romney's de facto ally.

Paul again showed himself to be Romney's wing man. Rather than criticize the notorious flip-flopper Romney, Paul instead attacked the staunchly conservative Santorum as a "fake" conservative. Santorum seemed a bit taken aback that Paul would do this to his face. He should not have been surprised.

Paul's extreme laissez-faire economic philosophy gives pseudo-intellectual cover for Romney's Wall Street economics, which are all about financialized capitalism and how anyone with any criticism of it, even after the disasters of the past several years, is a socialist. And his millions in funds from zealous supporters are employed to attack Romney's chief rivals.

Paul, who was unintentionally amusing in his denunciation of any spending on foreign aid during the debate -- gosh gee, why in the globally interconnected world of the 21st century would we have a foreign policy? -- is also attacking Santorum with TV ads. He did that with Newt Gingrich as well, when Gingrich rose to supplant Romney's frontrunnership.

But he doesn't go after Romney, whose all-over-the-lot politics and deep establishmentarianism would be a massive target for a genuinely anti-establishment candidate.


* Romney must win in impressive fashion in his home state Michigan and in Arizona, home to a large Mormon population.

Both these states were viewed as mortal locks, easy big wins for Romney, just a few weeks ago.

The fact that he is in some danger of losing both, one of which is the state in which his father George was the popular governor and car company CEO, is a measure of how weak a putative frontrunner Romney always has been, the relentless conventional wisdom of the past year notwithstanding.

Eking out a pair of wins won't do for Romney, not in these states.


* Big-time Republicans are deeply troubled by the current field.

While the Republican disarray plays out, complete with Newt Gingrich having another $12 million-plus to spend on Super Tuesday primaries next month, some top Republicans are, as I expected, looking at the possibility of a new candidate for the presidency.

Names I hear being mentioned are Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, and Jeb Bush.

The only one who impresses me particularly is neither the jockey nor the sumo wrestler but the brother.

Of course, he has one rather large problem. His name. And I don't mean Jeb.

If only his more likable brother hadn't been elected governor in his state first. But he was. And then, of course, the presidency. Which no one in these Republican debates even mentions.

But Jeb Bush has skills. The other two? Not so much.

Daniels is W's budget director who assured that the Iraq War would practically pay for itself.

Christie, well, Christie is someone who shows that there is a fine line between being cleverly candid and being a loudmouth. Were he not from New Jersey, i.e., within the penumbra of the New York media market, I doubt there would be quite the media fascination with him that there is.


* There are several ways in which this race can play out.

Gingrich has slid precipitously in the polls with relentless attacks against him and the ascent of Santorum, but his fresh funding, much of it from Las Vegas casino magnate Sheldon Adelson in a big check to a super PAC, gives him viability going forward.

Is Adelson trying to help Gingrich solely, or is this a bank shot to help Romney avoid being defeated straight up by Santorum, as some suggest?

Romney still clearly fears Gingrich, however, as well as Santorum.

He and his de facto ally Ron Paul caused the only remaining pre-Super Tuesday debate, in Gingrich's home state of Georgia, to be canceled by CNN when the pair pulled out of the event.

Indeed, it is quite possible for Santorum and Gingrich to both flourish in different states, with Gingrich stronger in the South and Santorum stronger in the Midwest.

This has happened in previous presidential nomination races.

All of which would serve to prevent Romney, or perhaps anyone else, from gaining enough of a head of steam in largely proportional representation contests to lock down the nomination.


Afghan officials said Friday that at least seven people were killed in protests around the country against the burning of Qurans at a U.S. air base, bringing the overall death toll after four days of demonstrations to at least 20, including two Americans killed by an Afghan soldier.


* The media running these debates won't use them to engage on the big issues.

As the seriously disarrayed Republican field plays out its dynamics, major geopolitical crises are unfolding, bedeviling an otherwise increasingly in the driver's seat for re-election Barack Obama. The UN nuclear watchdog's visit to Iran ended ahead of schedule this week when Tehran refused to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors any access to key nuclear facilities. Thus further ratcheting up the crisis, and making it ever more difficult for Iran's apologists to claim that it is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program. Which is not the same as justifying a war, mind you.

The Syrian crisis, which is linked, with Iranian naval vessels returning from a trip to its ally Syria through the Suez Canal -- which the previous Egyptian government denied Tehran access to -- also ratchets up with continued Assad regime assaults on protesters and journalists. The Friends of Syria, aka the International Contact Group on Syria, more than 70 mostly Western and Arab nations, convened Friday in Tunisia, where the Arab Awakening began.

And Afghanistan is wracked by deadly protests after US troops burned Islamic holy materials at Bagram Air Base.

Plenty to talk about, in other words.

But John King, a journalist whose idea of incisive substantive questioning is asking Newt Gingrich about his past private life -- as he so notoriously did last month -- but not asking warhawk Gingrich how a war with Iran makes sense, didn't get into it beyond a few buzzwords and very pat answers.

That's just not good enough for a nation in complex and troubling times.


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William Bradley
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02:26 PM on 02/29/2012
The latest piece -- "Thinking the Unthinkable: Iran, Israel, Afghanistan" -- is online now ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/thinking-the-unthinkable-_b_1308354.html
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Michael D Ballantine
Former Presidential Candidate - Amer Elect 2012
12:33 PM on 02/26/2012
I think your last paragraph summed it up. Why haven't the debates included real red meat questions like how will you create the 25 million jobs America needs over the next 4 years? Or, if you get rid of Obama Care, how will you provide affordable health care for the 50 million uninsured? I bet Romney would choke if he were asked how to reduce the debt burden for 10 million families with underwater mortgages? When do we get the real debates, instead of the campaign commercials we have had for 6 months?
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William Bradley
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01:22 PM on 02/26/2012
They've been more joint appearances with brief recitations of talking points than real debates.
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TheOin2012
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06:26 PM on 02/26/2012
HP is awful slow today... Any ideas why?

About those debates, they really stink. Shame on the moderators.
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Hazegrae
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07:37 PM on 02/26/2012
I keep confusing it with American Idol... or was that Survivor?
08:36 AM on 02/26/2012
I believe this endless program of "debates" will go down as one of the great political blunders in US history. Never have such unappetizing choices been advertised so relentlessly. It's like erecting a hundred-foot neon sign in Times Square extolling the virtues of cold sores and fever blisters.
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William Bradley
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11:44 AM on 02/26/2012
I've thoroughly enjoyed them.
12:14 PM on 02/26/2012
... he retorted dryly.
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TheOin2012
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06:26 PM on 02/26/2012
Heh.
Jay Haney
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10:15 PM on 02/25/2012
I have to admit, Mr. Bradley, your thoughts on Ron Paul hadn't occurred to me, but make sense. He REALLY has never attacked Romney, in spite of the fact that the man's work record alone is a target-rich environment? Okay, now I'm REALLY getting suspicious of the man (and I had thoughts on the man before).
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William Bradley
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11:45 AM on 02/26/2012
It's become crashingly obvious.

Then add to the massive TV advertising attacks Paul has mounted against each of Romney's main opponents each time they have risen to the lead and it becomes even more obvious.
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Michael D Ballantine
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12:58 PM on 02/26/2012
If true, it would make a hypocrisy of his criticism of Rick Santorum for being a Washington dealmaker and team player, the uncorruptable, completely corrupted.
08:53 PM on 02/25/2012
The "disasters of the past several years" have nothing to do with laissez-faire economics. This country abandoned the free market at least 100 years ago. Paul's support for actual free markets provides no cover for Romney's crony capitalism. The general public's (and the media's) conflation of the two undermines Paul's principled stance.
Jay Haney
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10:16 PM on 02/25/2012
So are you saying that Paul has attacked Romney like all the others? If not, then why?
10:46 PM on 02/25/2012
I don't know if he has or not. If not, perhaps he thinks that voters supporting the other candidates are more easily convinced to support him. Not attacking someone is not evidence of agreement. It should be pretty clear to anyone paying attention that Paul and Romney do not agree.
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Sweendoggedly
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12:58 AM on 02/27/2012
It seems like he's saying Paul has principles. As long as we're talking about Paul's principle of caring for nothing or no-one other than Paul, I guess we're in agreement.
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William Bradley
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11:46 AM on 02/26/2012
Nonsense.

Wall Street was deregulated leading to preposterous levels of speculation and ridiculous financial "instruments."

This is just your libertarian dogma.
12:48 PM on 02/26/2012
It's not libertarian dogma that every single financial transaction in this country is subject to a host of federal regulations. Our entire economy is controlled by the government. Granted, a lot of the strings are pulled by Wall Street, but what do you expect when you give government so much power? In a truly free market, few investors would put their money in the hands of such people. But as it stands, the public has gone along with this insane bipartisan notion that the government should throw around tax incentives, loans and bailouts in order to centrally direct investment.

Why were people exposed to the "Great Recession"? Because, encouraged by implicit government backing of the housing industry, they owned homes they couldn't afford. Because, encouraged by tax incentives, they invested their retirement savings in a 401K. The general public knows nothing about real estate or the stock market. They shouldn't be betting their future on such investments. In a free market people wouldn't hold this ridiculous notion that they can give someone their money and expect a risk free return.
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blackraisin
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06:19 PM on 02/25/2012
"staunchly conservative Santorum"

Hahahahahahahahahaha ... good one.

"unintentionally amusing in his denunciation of any spending on foreign aid"

Yes, even though we can't pay our own liabilities for our own citizens we should continue paying off dictators in other countries.
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William Bradley
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11:50 AM on 02/26/2012
Hardly what foreign aid is, which in any event is a drop in the budget bucket.

Just more isolationism from the Paulbot camp.
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TheOin2012
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06:32 PM on 02/26/2012
You have to be very extreme right wing not to see Santorum as conservative...
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blackraisin
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08:46 PM on 02/26/2012
My understanding of conservative ideology is that it relies on the best practices from the past (small government/ free enterprise). A conservative then would want to limit government, rather than increase it.

Santorum is an opportunist who was fine increasing the power of government. If he didn't get his way through state legislation, he'd attempt federal legislation, and if that didn't work he'd try the courts, and if that didn't work he'd go the Amendment rout.

Saying gay this and fetus that and Terri Schaivo isn't conservative.
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TheOin2012
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04:18 PM on 02/25/2012
Afghanistan just got a whole heck of a lot worse today, didn't it??

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>>> Afghan officials said Friday that at least seven people were killed in protests around the country against the burning of Qurans at a U.S. air base, bringing the overall death toll after four days of demonstrations to at least 20, including two Americans killed by an Afghan soldier.
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05:27 PM on 02/25/2012
That would be a big affirmative on that.
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TheOin2012
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07:05 PM on 02/25/2012
The program is over if the advisers can't work with their opposite numbers any more.
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TheOin2012
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04:16 PM on 02/25/2012
What a metaphor!

An empty suit speaks in an empty stadium!!

lol

>>> Days before a must-win primary in his home state of Michigan, Mitt Romney highlighted his staunchly supply-side economic plan in what was billed as a major campaign speech delivered at a cavernous and largely empty football stadium in Detroit.
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William Bradley
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05:28 PM on 02/25/2012
Heh.
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TheOin2012
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07:05 PM on 02/25/2012
Indeed.
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TheMediaRanger
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12:45 PM on 02/25/2012
I know so many good, solid Republicans who are cringing every time they see this crew of potential candidates on the tube. Each is desperately trying to prove himself more conservative than the other, each has spent months pandering to the TP vote, and they all end up sounding like fanatical zealots who just fell off the right edge. The GOP imploded in a major way with Dubya's demise; this crop of ideologues shows the party has a long, long way to go.
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William Bradley
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01:07 PM on 02/25/2012
George W. Bush would be a dangerous moderate in this field. And his father would be a liberal!

Remember that Romney attacked Santorum for voting for Bush's No Child Left Behind legislation.

One wonders how Romney, if he does recover to win the nomination in the end, ever hopes to appeal to the center in a general election.
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TheOin2012
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04:18 PM on 02/25/2012
I wonder if Romney still believes that money can solve all his problems...
10:36 AM on 02/25/2012
John King and other members of the media refuse to confront these candidates with difficult policy questions.

Why?

Because they know that if they embarrass or frustrate any of them with their questions, they will be cut off from access to their campaigns and to the candidates themselves. The media is wholly dependent upon such access, primarily because they long ago abandoned any pretense of serious investigative reporting and reasoned analysis.

We may complain that the Republican Party has not offered us good candidates, but it would hardly matter if they did. The media, which should be devoted to informing the public, is instead engaged in "covering the race" and fishing for higher ratings.
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William Bradley
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12:15 PM on 02/25/2012
Good points.

However, King certainly didn't refuse to confront Gingrich with an allegation from one of his ex-wives.

Don't let the media off the hook so easily. There are plenty of ways to better engage the candidates without attacking them, which I suspect you would like to see, to bring out a deeper discussion of the issues.
12:26 PM on 02/25/2012
A fairly simple question is, "How would the tax reductions you propose close the enormous budget deficit we face?" followed up by the observation that previous tax cuts HAVE NOT resulted in enormous economic growth that produced additional tax revenues. It isn't necessary to attack any candidate, and I did not propose that, in order to engage them on issues, rather than simply accepting ideological generalities (most of which are wholly false) as the basis on which to judge their effectiveness.
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09:47 AM on 02/25/2012
It's a terrifying prospect that any of the Four Clowns is considered worthy of the presidency. Romney has destroyed his credibility with his shapeshifting. What does he stand for today? Santorum wants to be Grand Inquisitor, and has such limited self-restraint that he can't keep from spewing his sixteenth century theocratic phiosophy. Newt is as unstable as Romney with a better feel for bombast. Paul, is well, unelectably eccentric. His views on drugs and foreign poicy are antithetical to the Republican party.

Despite his limitations and his learning curve Obama is the only choice to navigate the latest overseas troubles. Moreover, at home he has managed to pry a modest economic recovery from the obstructionist fingers of the Republicans. Great Depression anyone? How about the magic formula of unfunded wars, low taxes, and austerity? I yearn for the days of rational Republicans that challenged military adventurism and didn't quaff supply side Koolaid. Them was the days.
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William Bradley
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10:12 AM on 02/25/2012
Remember when Bush I decided to put Saddam back in his box after he seized Kuwait rather than blow up the box? And empower Iran in the process?

That was when Republicans didn't have untenable imperial fantasies about the Middle East.
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LizM
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01:16 PM on 02/25/2012
And, then the 9/11 attacks happened and I think many Republicans have been suffering from a particularly destructive form of post-traumatic stress disorder ever since.
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LizM
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10:28 AM on 02/27/2012
Well, that comment was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek and, I should add, in no way meant to diminish the serious issue that PTSD is, particularly among new veterans.

Making the distinction between the neocons and Republicans, I think some Republicans have become far more extreme and irrational in their foreign policy views and in their assessments of President Obama, the first president to take office after the administration that was in power at the time of the 9/11 attacks.

Certainly, it doesn't explain all of their behavior since 2001 - it would take countless volumes to flesh that out! - but sometimes I think we can forget the terrible impacts that an event like the 9/11 attacks is capable of having on people, especially people in leadership positions.

You can always count on a good discussion around here!

>Liz, I think your use of PTSD was unduly kind to the Repubs.
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Jim Mccarthy
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08:36 AM on 02/25/2012
Mitt will trickle out 2 wins on tuesday, and slide into nomination as a pure weakling. that's just the way it goes. Mitt really hasn't a clue on Iran or Syria. so. he can flap his war gums all he wants- the american people have seen enough combat. come november Mitt will be able to retire off to any one of his 5 home states, and buy some more cars...........
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William Bradley
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09:50 AM on 02/25/2012
He has to do a lot more than "trickle out" two wins in states he should be dominating.

As for Iran, the key decisions are being taken in another country.
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Jim Mccarthy
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10:10 AM on 02/25/2012
Mitt is just not loved that much by the Gop as a whole. the more people see & hear from Mitt, the more Mitt looks/sounds like Milburn Drysdale.
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TheOin2012
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04:20 PM on 02/25/2012
What country?
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Robert Lee Harrington
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07:36 PM on 02/24/2012
It all ends with Obama winning on November 6, 2012 and starting his second term as President of The United States of America January 21, 2013
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William Bradley
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10:44 PM on 02/24/2012
Quite likely, though one of these potential massive crises could derail that.
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Jim Mccarthy
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08:38 AM on 02/25/2012
not likely. Obama has shown he takes the long gain approach. out of nowhere, Iran will wonder what the hell happened to them. Syria will go the way of libya-and soon