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Why Obama Was Right on Libya and bin Laden and Wrong on Afghanistan

Posted: 08/31/11 10:00 PM ET

The fall of Moammar Gaddafi and victory by the Libyan protesters-turned-rebels vindicates President Barack Obama's policy. What do his successes with Libya, and with the take-down of Osama bin Laden, and the failures of his Afghanistan policy, tell us?

** Libya isn't Iraq, or Vietnam. It's Kosovo.

Want to know why it took so long for decades long dictator Moammar Gaddafi to be ousted? Because the US "led from behind," as one unnamed Obama advisor put it. A poor phrase, but a good idea, in that it required the European and Arab countries who most wanted to squelch Gaddafi to pick up the slack in the air and with key support, and the Libyan rebels to win themselves on the ground.

It's completely unlike Iraq, or Vietnam, despite the remarkably sloppy thinking of many critics. What it is like is the Kosovo War of 1999, in which NATO engaged in an air war against Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevich, then busily and brutally "ethnic cleansing" Kosovo. Or, actually, it's Kosovo-minus, in that the US played by far the leading role in Kosovo, flying by far the most missions, unlike the case with Libya.


This bloodcurdling speech by longtime Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi, which I listened to live on Al Jazeera on March 17th, proved to be one of the classic political backfires. After Gaddafi pledged to put his remaining opponents in Benghazi to the sword, the UN Security Council approved an unprecedented mulilateral military intervention in Libya.

With the US taking the lead in Kosovo, at the direction of President Bill Clinton, Milosevich took only two-and-a-half months to decide to give up. (At the time, many complained about how long it was taking.) Gaddafi, a tougher nut to crack, lasted five months before being driven from his famed Tripoli compound.

Few today, even among the many who called Bill Clinton an "imperialist" for intervening in Kosovo with air power only, would argue that Milosevich and his ethnic cleansing operations should not have been stopped.

** Multilateral action can work. By "leading from behind," Obama forced the French, the British, other NATO members, some Gulf Arab states, and others to step up and do more rather than rely on the Americans. If there is to be any future for humanitarian intervention, that had to be.

And there needs to be some future for humanitarian intervention. The world can be a very ugly place. One act of intervention may serve to dissuade other tyrants from acts they might otherwise undertake.

America can't afford to intervene heavily around the world, even when it's finally free of Iraq and Afghanistan. The idea of the US as the world's policeman, or, more accurately, crusader rabbit, is passe. But it can afford to help, and to provide a unique value-added to joint efforts, as it has done in Libya, where the rebels are now proud members of the Arab League.

Just 16% of the sorties over Libya were flown by American aircraft; the French flew twice as many. But US forces provided the unique value-added that only the US could, in terms of establishing the no-fly zone by taking down Libyan air defenses and in terms of providing the sophisticated surveillance and intelligence and aerial refueling capacity that other nations don't have.

Of course, the tempo of US missions increased over the 12 days prior to the fall of Tripoli

But in the end, total American spending appears to be around a billion dollars, which is a rounding error in the Pentagon budget, a minuscule fraction of what is spent in Afghanistan or Iraq.

And the cost in American casualties? Zero. None amongst all the European and Arab forces involved, either.

** Supporting a strong popular force can work. The protests in Libya were not generated from Langley, Virginia. They were part and parcel of the awakening which has swept the Arab world, at first very much to the consternation of American national security officials, evidenced by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's initial statements of faith in Hosni Mubarak.

As I pointed out early on, the Libyan rebels were in no way prepared to take on the Gaddafi regime when the "Brother Leader" decided to shut down his country's Arab Spring protests with deadly force. The rebels, as I wrote here on the Huffington Post in March, were a rabble. It took them a long time to get prepared, even after they were rescued from Gaddafi's promised massacre in Benghazi by the UN Security Council resolution in March.

And while it's clear they would never have won without having NATO as a de facto air force, it's also clear that Gaddafi would be sitting pretty still in Tripoli rather than somewhere on the run without the rebels coming together to fight for their freedom.

In Libya, there was a genuine revolution that could succeed with assistance. That was not the case in Iraq. And was only the case in the north of Afghanistan.

** There are many evils in the world, but there are real limits to power.
Saddam Hussein was a very bad guy. But he wasn't involved in 9/11 and getting rid of him has proved to be one of the biggest mistakes in American history, for many reasons.

It would be nice to establish a functioning, modern democracy in Afghanistan, especially given the extraordinarily reactionary ways of the Taliban, who relegate women to the 16th century. It's not going to happen. I've written at length, and for a long time, about Obama's mistaken embrace of big-time nation-building in one of the most difficult environments for such on the planet. You can click on the archive below.

It was appropriate to intervene in Afghanistan after 9/11 to eliminate Al Qaeda's bases and disrupt its ability to pursue additional attacks. But our presence in Afghanistan is far too big and intrusive for our much more limited objective of denying it as a base for organized, transnational jihadism.

Why Obama has chosen this foolish path is a matter for another time. But the fact that he has serves to illustrate, once again, the dangers of massive, ongoing, largely unilateral intervention.

** Unilateral action can work, when it is discrete, decisive, and limited.
In contrast to the huge, cumbersome, and frankly unintelligent ventures in Iraq and Afghanistan is the Osama bin Laden operation. There Obama succeeded where George W. Bush and Dick Cheney famously failed.

Obama has done exactly what he promised in prosecuting operations against Al Qaeda. He was criticized by the Bush/Cheney Administration, John McCain, and Hillary Clinton for his promise to go after bin Laden and other Al Qaeda and jihadist leaders in Pakistan and elsewhere. But he has done it, and it has worked.

The trick, of course, is to take down jihadist leaders and cadre who are unremitting enemies without stimulating the growth of jihadism in backlash, as the massive ongoing interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan have done.

It's a balancing act, one which ultimately must turn on decent relations with the Islamic world as a whole.

"Leading from behind" in Libya, where America has virtually no oil interests and in which the new International Contact Group on Libya of which America is a part can help the Libyan people realize some of the aspirations implicit in the great Arab awakening, is part of achieving those better relations.


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07:18 AM on 09/05/2011
Forgive if I'm making this too simplistic, but I think what Bill is getting at is that it ain't never gonna work unless the majority of people in that country want it to happen. We can place our little piggies in the arena when the people ask for it, which worked for the Libya operations, or we can bust our way through the door and say, "You'd be better off with our help."

The Bush administration took big time advantage of the 9/11 situation to do something some had wanted to do for a long time. "Hey boys, here's the excuse we've been looking for!" Epic fail.
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05:22 PM on 09/05/2011
That's well put.
09:41 PM on 09/01/2011
I agree with your article, I think President Obama
has done well in Libya with fruitful results, but
Afghanistan is a classic 'no win situation'.

The Soviets slogged it away in Afghanistan for a
decade and in not too long from now so will the
U.S. but they can not let Afghanistan remain a
base for al Qaeda. The U.S. needs to draw down forces
from Afghanistan and withdraw from Iraq..if for no other
reason than 'we can't afford' these actions anymore......

I agree with you take on this...
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03:03 AM on 09/02/2011
The British set the example for the Soviets, who in turn ...
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TheOin2012
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12:46 PM on 09/02/2011
Rudyard Kipling wrote about this, fergoshsakes...
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songoftherushes
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04:25 AM on 09/02/2011
You can only say it has worked out well if the intention was regime change (unless you want to suggest that this is all just a happy coincidence).
If you do accept regime change was the original intention, then NATO deceived the UN (which means Obama/Sarkozy/Cameron deceived the UN).
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TheOin2012
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12:47 PM on 09/02/2011
Wrong.

The UN Security Council passed the resolution to stop the Gaddafi massacre in Benghazi. That got stopped.

Gaddafi is over.
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04:08 PM on 09/02/2011
It actually worked out well early on, as I wrote a few months ago.
09:37 PM on 09/01/2011
The relative ease with which the Libyan government was overthrown compared to Iraq and Afghanistan is due more to ideology than military action. Following the overthrow of the government in Tunisia, Arabs have felt that it is possible to successfully rebel. So Nato was working with a proactive and optimistic domestic opposition.

The ideology in Iraq was confused and divisive. In the US it was driven by revenge/anti-Islam/oil greed/Christian fundamentalism and was justified on the grounds of a bunch of lies that were OK to fool the US public into supporting it at the time but didn't convince people internationally. Hence there was minimal support within Iraq, from neighboring countries or Europe. The contradiction between US government propaganda and reality became more extreme once the country had been taken over and led to the civil war (or whatever the post invasion war is called).

In Afghanistan, the hollowness of the catch-cry "war on terror" is obvious. Basically, 90% of Afghani people would be on TSA terror watch lists if they weren't too poor to fly. How can you expect to win the hearts and minds of the people if your description of what the enemy looks like is the same as what the people look like.
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12:48 PM on 09/02/2011
What "ease??"

Gaddafi would be in clover right now if NATO hadn't intervened.

ALSO, Saddam and the Taliban were overthrown MUCH more easily than Gaddafi.

>>> The relative ease with which the Libyan government was overthrown compared to Iraq and Afghanista n is due more to ideology than milita
06:44 PM on 09/02/2011
Iraq took two wars, and a full-scale invasion of 100,000 US troops with tanks.
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nenitaB
Not the talk. What good result would it hav
01:03 PM on 09/02/2011
Fanned and Faved!
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08:17 PM on 09/01/2011
Russia and China have joined the Libya Contact Group, recognizing the rebels as the legitimate government.
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wom122
Primum non nocere
06:56 PM on 09/01/2011
"Libya isn't Iraq, or Vietnam. It's Kosovo"

Humanitarian bombing was wrong in Kosovo and is wrong in Libya. Were they less costly than the interventions in Iraq or Vietnam? absolutely! but killing Libyans (or fill in the blank) to save other Libyans is still immoral.
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08:16 PM on 09/01/2011
I knew there had to be somebody left over who is still against the Kosovo operation.
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TheOin2012
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12:49 PM on 09/02/2011
It's unbelievable.
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05:58 PM on 09/01/2011
Incidentally, my latest piece -- "Jerry Brown Finds Post-Budget Focus" -- is online now ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-bradley/jerry-brown-climate-change_b_945339.html
05:56 PM on 09/01/2011
If extra troops had not been sent to provide conducive conditions for the Special Forces to operate from, we would not have had the opportunity to get bin laden.
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06:30 PM on 09/01/2011
You think we needed to have 100,000 troops in Afghanistan, plus tens of thousands more from NATO, plus tens of thousands of contractors, in order to launch a Navy SEAL raid?
06:58 PM on 09/01/2011
The taste of the pudding is in the eating. he was killed after the increase. What more can I tell ya?
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TheOin2012
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12:49 PM on 09/02/2011
Heh.
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intotheabyss
Imperialism is a form of insanity.
04:00 PM on 09/01/2011
So you really believe we went into Libya for humanitarian reasons? Wow! Just wow! The next time we invade a country under the pretext of helping people, just repeat these three words to yourself. Global power politics. That's the reason. Always.
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05:00 PM on 09/01/2011
Don't put words in my mouth.

And don't rely on simplistic political mantras.
06:12 PM on 09/08/2011
Agree with you .

if UN did nothing, or if NATO did not use force, Benghazi would have become like Hotel Rwanda
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TheOin2012
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05:36 PM on 09/01/2011
Wow! Just wow!

We didn't invade Libya.

>>> The next time we invade a country
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06:32 PM on 09/01/2011
There is that.

Sometimes I get the feeling that some people are consulting a Fantasy Politics Game like others play Fantasy Football. And the Iraq/Vietnam/Invasion Quagmire is the default setting on the game.
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03:19 PM on 09/01/2011
as several of the posts here confirm, Obama would have been savaged by the far left and all of the right no matter whether he'd worked with NATO or sat out Libya's uprising. Their response to his success with bin Laden, ditto.
In the event, his Libya policy has indeed been vindicated and the adults in the room should be giving credit where credit is due.
regarding Afgh---------don't get me started!
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TheOin2012
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05:36 PM on 09/01/2011
One way or the other, they'd attack Obama.
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beckjr2000
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01:28 PM on 09/02/2011
It's always easy for vigilantes to justify Vigilante Justice!
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04:12 PM on 09/02/2011
The "vigilantes" are the people of Libya who rose up against Gaddafi.

Like the people of Tunisia who rose up, the people of Egypt who rose up, etc., etc.
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Vegananza
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01:27 PM on 09/01/2011
Excellent article! Thank you for writing it!
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01:38 PM on 09/01/2011
You're very welcome.
12:07 PM on 09/01/2011
Whether Obama was "right" on OBL, or they just got him on his watch is not knowable.
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02:51 AM on 09/02/2011
That's completely false. There is an entire record of actions on this.
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12:50 PM on 09/02/2011
O really. How so??
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04:12 PM on 09/02/2011
He won't answer.
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FirstSpeaker
Emergency nurse. Tu ne cede malis....
11:31 AM on 09/01/2011
What a long and convoluted rationalization for our imperialism. Enough.
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12:56 PM on 09/01/2011
Actually, it's quite brief and anything but a "rationalization for imperialism."

You need to lose your fantasies.
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02:20 PM on 09/01/2011
The fantasy is that we can think we are Rome and rule all the world. The fantasy is that we can fight three or four or five wars at the same time without ruining our republic. This is imperialism, plain and true. As has been true for all failng empires, we fight wars abroad to keep the public from caring as much about the fiscal mess at home. All empires fail in this way. No fantasy about that.
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beckjr2000
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10:51 AM on 09/01/2011
There is no vindication for Obama! He ignored American Law! He attacked Libya without a valid reason as outlined by the War Powers Act! Regardless of whether Gadhafi was a Bad Leader or not America should not have attacked a country that is no threat to America, Americans, or their Property!
It was Totally Illegal!
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12:57 PM on 09/01/2011
I remember when the War Powers Act was passed. You need to read it, and stop hyperventilating.
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beckjr2000
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01:22 PM on 09/01/2011
Perhaps, Mr. Bradley, it's you who needs to read and understand the War Powers Resolution on 1973!
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06:58 PM on 09/01/2011
You don't understand it.
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10:35 AM on 09/01/2011
"Leading from behind" in Libya, where America has virtually no oil interests and in which the new International Contact Group on Libya of which America is a part can help the Libyan people realize some of the aspirations implicit in the great Arab awakening, is part of achieving those better relations.

Hmm, that is strange...here I was sure that I heard that not only does Libya control a significant portion of Oil but the rebels quickly promised that they would be negotiating with NATO nations to increase exports.

I may have been mistaken, but I don't think I am.

Otherwise I think the article is excellent.
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12:58 PM on 09/01/2011
You are making a very different point.

America, as I said and as is clear to anyone who looks at it, has virtually no oil interests in Libya.

Europe, however, does.

>Hmm, that is strange...­here I was sure that I heard that not only does Libya control a significan­t portion of Oil but the rebels quickly promised that they would be negotiatin­g with NATO nations to increase exports.
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renaissancejack
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07:24 PM on 09/01/2011
Sorry, I am in error. The only substantial benefit that the USA might get...and that is a might...is lower prices for the oil they do import due to lowering crude prices worldwide.
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TheOin2012
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02:41 PM on 09/01/2011
America gets like no oil from Libya...
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intotheabyss
Imperialism is a form of insanity.
07:13 PM on 09/01/2011
Yet.
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songoftherushes
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10:03 AM on 09/01/2011
Wait a minute.
Wasn't the UN resolution to save civilians? 50,000 people dead.
So, NATO failed miserably.


Right?
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11:07 AM on 09/01/2011
And how many more dead if Gaddafi had been left to deal with this uprising as he wished?
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songoftherushes
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06:32 PM on 09/01/2011
Probably very few. There had been no retribution against the towns that Q took back from the rebels...before NATO interferred. The claims that Q was going to 'massacre BenGhazi' was baseless.
..."his armed forces were coming to their capital Benghazi tonight and would not show any mercy TO FIGHTERS WHO RESISTED THEM. In a radio address, he told Benghazi residents that soldiers would search every house in the city and people who had no arms had no reason to fear. He also told his troops not to pursue any rebels who drop their guns and flee when government forces reach the city" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8385250/Libyan-army-calls-for-Benghazi-to-surrender-as-Saif-Gaddafi-says-town-will-fall-within-48-hours.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/libya-thursday-march-17-2011-3#ixzz1HuvYODkj


And really, with the whole world watching and considering debating taking his govt down, attacking BenGhazi would not have made a lot of sense.
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01:00 PM on 09/01/2011
IF there are 50,000 dead, it's because of Gaddafi attacking his own people who wanted reform and democracy as part of the Arab awakening.

But if you want to rationalize implicit backing for maintaining a brutal dictatorship, I am sure you can find a way.
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songoftherushes
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06:37 PM on 09/01/2011
In Libya, the Arab Spring was a cover for the groups like the LIFG (remember this all started because of the lack of transparency about Abu Salim) who have on multiple occasions rebelled against Q (with British backing).
Democracy? Well, the NTC has told NATO everything they wanted to hear but, even at that, they don't hold as much authority as they have been presented to have. The rebels in the west certainly don't give them much respect.
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songoftherushes
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06:39 PM on 09/01/2011
Oh...and if you need to rationalize the deaths of 50,000 people to maintain your comfort zone of 'bringing democracy and freedom', I am sure you will find a way.