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Chitchat With Leon and Hillary on the Defense Budget

Posted: 08/19/11 04:17 PM ET

The invitation came to me from Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta's Public Affairs Office to attend a "conversation" with Panetta and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the prestigious National War College in Washington. Although I knew it wasn't me they wanted to talk to, I sat in the audience to hear Panetta and Clinton in action, especially on the subject of my prime interest: the defense budget.

The "conversation," it turns out, was with Frank Sesno, the former CNN personality and currently the Director of the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University. Sesno took the "conversation" assignment seriously; although he boldly said that it was important to "ask the tough questions" -- just like a journalist -- he did no such thing. Lofting over shallow dinner-talk queries, Sesno chummed it up with Panetta and Clinton and permitted them to say anything they wanted without fear of challenge.

Clinton tended toward impromptu speeches on whatever she was asked about -- well articulated and forceful, much like she did as a senator at hearings where, rather than conduct oversight asking informed questions and following up, she would express her political points and neither seek nor reveal any new or deeper information.

Panetta was more subtle and single-minded. Although he comes from the same political background -- White House insider and Congress -- his answers were shorter and more softly stated, but they were directed at one and only one objective: defending the Pentagon's budget.

Sesno started the "discussion" asking about budget cuts beyond the $350 billion the Pentagon has already committed to over the next ten years -- saying "What's really at stake?" Panetta whacked the softball question hard: "Very simply, it would result in hollowing out the force," and "it would break faith with the troops and with their families," and finally "it would literally undercut our ability to provide for the national defense."

The bureaucrat moguls at the Pentagon, who currently preside over the largest defense or non-defense agency budget since the end of World War II, must have been delighted. After four years of sometimes tough guy Robert Gates, who fired senior officials for not toeing his line, DOD's high spenders must be elated to have at the top someone who has leaped so quickly and with such eagerness to defending their agenda.

The $850 billion cut that Sesno was referring to does sound like a lot -- if you are ignorant about the background and budget history. He offered no pushback and did nothing to probe Panetta's budget preserving agenda, to question Panetta's assumptions, and or even seek the data behind them.

Things didn't get any better when Sesno allowed the audience a grand total of one question on DOD budget issues. The individual Sesno selected asked about funding for foreign language training. Panetta dutifully said it was important and that he wanted to look for "creative ways" to protect it. Clinton gave a speech about it, and the remaining 99.9 percent of the national security budget went unaddressed.

Instead of this feather-stroking chitchat, consider the following:

If the Pentagon's "base" (non-war) budget were to be cut $850 billion, or so, over ten years, it would go down to about $472 billion annually, the approximate level of the base DOD budget in 2007. (This, not coincidently, is about the same level of a new round of defense budget cutting hysteria circulating in Washington in response to a just released memo from OMB Director Jack Lew.)

Using the Pentagon's "constant" dollars that adjust for the effects of inflation, that $472 billion level would be more than $70 billion higher than DOD spending was in 2000, just before the wars. Over ten years, base Defense Department spending would be almost three quarters of a trillion dollars above the levels extant in 2000. And, none of the additional monies to be spent on the wars would be eliminated.

At $472 billion per year, the Pentagon budget would be almost $40 billion more than we averaged, in inflation adjusted "constant" dollars, during the Cold War when we faced an intimidating super-power, the Soviet Union, its Warsaw Pact allies and a hostile, dogmatically communist China.

At the 2007 $472 billion level our defense budget would remain more than twice the defense spending of China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Cuba and any other potential adversary -- combined.

The problem is not money. Under this so-called worse case scenario, the Pentagon would be left quite flush with money, plenty of it in historical terms.

The problem is that the Pentagon, as it exists under its current leadership, is incapable of surviving with less money. They quite literally do not understand how to face a future where the DOD budget exceeds any and all potential enemies by a multiple of only two.

Many -- including Obama's bipartisan 2010 National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, a separate task force put together by congressmen Barney Frank (D-MA) and Ron Paul (R-TX), yet another commission headed by former budget leaders Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM) and OMB Director Alice Rivlin, and two alternative budget proposals from Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) -- have itemized how to save about $900 billion from the National Defense budget. The political landscape is littered with competent recommendations to remove many of the thick layers of hydrogenated fat from the Pentagon.

These proposals hit on many of the same soft spots in the DOD budget, such as the unaffordable, underperforming, years behind schedule F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The implied consensus on such ideas and on the approximate amount (roughly $900 billion) suggest that the slightly lesser $850 billion in Pentagon savings is not "doomsday" (Panetta's word) but quite endurable -- and would actually leave DOD quite flush with money.

But, it is unthinkable to Secretary Panetta, as it is to those who perform the enabling chitchat.

 
 
 
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Edward Current
Writer and YouTube comedian and musician
03:23 PM on 08/21/2011
But...but how will we continue to spread the Word of Our Savior Jesus Christ without more cash?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/how-much-money-could-the-_b_931436.html
10:39 AM on 08/21/2011
I do respect Hillarys thoughts and if she she runs again she will get my vote she has avoice of reason for the most part but we need to get our troups out of wars we have lost toooo many of our young example a young man from our area 19 yrs old and his whole life ahead of him smart, and good way to good to die in a war we need out of.just my thoughts after living through viet nam and other " wars'
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
01:17 AM on 08/21/2011
Friends. Americans. Countrymen.

Don't you realize that our ability to defend ourselves will be gutted utterly if we de-fund crucial overseas bases like Veterinary Command in Bamberg, Germany?

http://vetcom.amedd.army.mil/vtfmultilocation.cfm?vtf_id=130&vtflocation=GE&multi=true

( and you read that right. Veterinary. Not Veteran. As in Cats and Dogs. ).
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02:49 PM on 08/20/2011
Hillary Clinton and Leon Panetta, bureaucratic warriors par excellence, in the proud tradition of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. They have every right to aggrandize themselves and their "faith in the troops and with their families"- things, we know, that matter most to them.
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
02:24 PM on 08/20/2011
The defense budget, indeed the bulk of defense forces, have nothing to do with defense of the US. The troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and north Africa have nothing to do with the defense of the US. They are all dedicated to the task of maintaining and expanding the American/Corporate empire. The current scare word is terrorism, but it is just the replacement for communism, which replaced fascism. The oligarchy always needs a boogeyman to threaten the people with, in order to justify its mercenary forces, even though the defense exceeds the threat by a factor that is probably in excess of a million to one. Still, we see ourselves as the victims, and we use that delusion to rationalize our aggression.
10:42 AM on 08/20/2011
Throwing money into countries we invade which goes down the rabbitt hole should not be allowed. Close 90% of the 744 military installations outside the continental US. Why are they there? Is it to protect American companies doing business or do we really need instant response sites? Why do we pay for 156 golf courses, come on. How many boots have the kind of money to buy golf equipment, when only they and Congress can play on those courses and it costs taxpayers a minimum of $1 mil per year just to maintain one small course. These cuts have absolutely no impact on the troops on the ground, despite what Panetta or Hillary says. How on earth could any congressman think of cutting Medicare and SS when such waste is so dadgummed apparent?
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SmileAndActNice
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01:13 AM on 08/21/2011
psst ...

http://help.lockergnome.com/general/thousand-Overseas-military-bases--ftopict57343.html

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Officially the Pentagon counts 865 base sites, but this notoriously unreliable number omits all our bases in Iraq (likely over 100) and Afghanistan (80 and counting), among many other well-known and secretive bases. More than half a century after World War II and the Korean War, we still have 268 bases in Germany, 124 in Japan, and 87 in South Korea. Others are scattered around the globe in places like Aruba and Australia, Bulgaria and Bahrain, Colombia and Greece, Djibouti, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, Romania, Singapore, and of course, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba — just to name a few. Among the installations considered critical to our national security are a ski center in the Bavarian Alps, resorts in Seoul and Tokyo, and

234 GOLF COURSES

the Pentagon runs worldwide.

Unlike domestic bases, which set off local alarms when threatened by closure, our collection of overseas bases is particularly galling because almost all our taxpayer money leaves the United States (much goes to enriching private base contractors like corruption-plagued former Halliburton subsidiary KBR). One part of the massive Ramstein airbase near Landstuhl, Germany, has an estimated value of $3.3 billion.
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10:13 AM on 08/20/2011
Very well written and informative. The "conversation" is but one more example of waste - nothing actually happened, even though lots of people got paid and lots of resources used so that the "show" could go on.

On a separate note, should ANY stakeholder in defense contracting (e.g. employee, shareholder, p.r. person, etc) be allowed to make political contributions? (rhetorical, from my point of view, but where is this in the discussion of "reform"? I know, crickets...
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AlfredE69
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08:03 AM on 08/20/2011
Shut down all US military bases overseas.
05:51 AM on 08/20/2011
The Defense Budget Chicken Little drama is now played out by the Democrats. It's clear that this is not a Republican/Democratic issue. This is the influence of $$$ in Washington.

We ALL need to remove every sitting Representative and Senator. We need to return healthy normal people to Washington. We need lawyers, but we also need teachers, farmers, machinists, painters, etc.
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MilesToGo
07:43 PM on 08/19/2011
The Pentagon, intelligence services & Homeland Security budgets are bloated way beyond measure or even actual accounting. Vast billions disappear into virtual black holes, and weapons programs & strategies that have no basis or function for contemporary threats exist in spade.

Nowhere is the ludicrous & grotesque insanity of America's current political-economic milieu revealed than in these wasteful, superfluous expenditures. We might only hope cuts begin herein, but in reality it's doubtful. Re-allocation makes wise sense--for public infrastructure, education & medical and alternative energy. But where is the wisdom anymore?
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JBS
Part time misanthrope & full time curmudgeon
05:54 PM on 08/19/2011
The real question avoided again is just what do we really need in order to defend this country. I'm not talking about defending the defense contractors, I'm talking about defending the country.
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LesleyAnne
04:49 PM on 08/19/2011
I love it -- trans fats in the DOD budget! Perhaps voters should begin protesting the offices of the Pentagon and other DOD hangouts. I don't think they're getting our message that when it comes to government waste, they are going to be part of the solution. Voters have had enough!
04:30 PM on 08/19/2011
It is a sad fact that this administration is following the Bush foreign policy and is so addicted to their wars and interventions that they will not even accept modest cuts to the pentagon's budget making it almost a certainty that they will order the democrats on the super committee to make a deal with the pro-war republicans to cut social security and medicare in order to protect the military from any serious cuts.