Justice Dept. seeks action vs. gay discrimination

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DEVLIN BARRETT | 10/14/09 04:30 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration's point man on civil rights said Wednesday he will seek to fight discrimination against gays, an area in which the Justice Department has had only a small role in the past.

Tom Perez, the assistant attorney general in charge of the department's Civil Rights Division, said pending legislation in Congress will allow the department to attack discrimination against lesbian, gays, bisexuals and transgender people, a group often referred to by the acronym LGBT.

That would be new territory for the division that has historically gone after discrimination based on race, gender or religion. It would also be a major shift from the division's work during the Bush administration, which opposed expansion of the federal hate crimes law to prosecute those who attack gays.

Perez on Wednesday he gave his first speech to division employees, saying the division must be transformed "so that we are capable of tackling the civil rights challenges of the 21st century," include issues not historically addressed by the department.

"We must fight for fairness and basic equality for our LGBT brothers and sisters who so frequently are being left in the shadows," he said, and to "ensure that there's a level playing field in which our LGBT brothers and sisters are judged by the content of their character."

Allison Herwitt, legislative director for Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights group, called Perez's words "fantastic."

"What's so different between this administration and the last is that we have people who want to have these protections in place and to enforce these protections, and you have the top of the Civil Rights Division willing to openly talk about these protections," said Herwitt.

Conservative activists argued that such moves could come at the expense of people of religious faith.

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"Too often it's religious liberty that's at stake when homosexuality is promoted in our society. The rights of people of faith who adhere to a biblical view of sexuality should not be crushed under the Obama administration's political promises to homosexual activists," said Carrie Gordon Earll, senior director of Focus on the Family Action.

Federal civil rights laws say little about attacks or discrimination fueled by anti-gay bias. The Senate, though, is on the verge of passing legislation that would broaden the hate crimes law and allow federal prosecutions of bias attacks on gays.

Attorney General Eric Holder has repeatedly urged Congress to pass the new hate crimes law, saying the expansion of federal prosecutions for such attacks is long overdue.

Separately, the House has taken a tentative step to consider a law that would outlaw anti-gay or gender identity discrimination in the workplace.

During the Clinton administration, the department's Civil Rights Division had an internal group that examined gay rights issues, but the effort ended during the Bush administration.

Perez's goal of greater government action on gay rights speech can only come if Congress changes civil rights law.

That seems likely in the case of bias-driven violence. The new hate crimes bill has survived a number of votes and now needs only a final vote in the Senate before going to the president's desk for his signature. In the case of the workplace bill, called the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the chances of success are less clear.

Twenty-one states already have laws prohibiting workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and 12 extend those laws to gender identity – California, Colorado, Iowa, Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. Several other states protect public employees who are gay or transgender.

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- jeremyfive I'm a Fan of jeremyfive 10 fans permalink

How could anyone have so much hate that that could possibly condone violence against gay people and indeed use the matter as a wedge issue for personal gain?

Oh yeah, they're called Republicans.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/15/2009
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I'm enthralled to hear that the Justice Department has resolved to deal with the still-epidemic discrimination and institutionalized hate against LGBT communities and individuals - I only hope it's something to which Perez holds, and changes will continue to be made. I expect that increasingly the fundamentalist population will raise, well, hell via the preposterous suggestion that religious freedom is somehow suppressed by non-heterosexual orientations. It's embarrassing, and a little depressing, to think that such a vociferous group of believers can harm so many by professing a faith so delicate as to be hurt by people copulating. (My own beliefs don't sustain injury if somebody says the moon landing didn't happen.)
Let's call those who oppose pro-LGBT reforms what they are: the Anti-Love constituency.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 10/15/2009
- AlexTryst I'm a Fan of AlexTryst 2 fans permalink

I think this is a great development. However, something that doesn't get mentioned a lot is the fact that a lot of the employees of the DOJ Civil Rights Division are Bushies. They were hired on non-experience, incompetence but great Repulbican fortitude. There are some rabid homophobes in the DOJ Civil Rights. (I have a relative who is one of them.) Someone needs to set them straight (bad joke, I know) and let them know a new sherriff is in town. Either you fall in line, or go find a new job.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 10/15/2009

Rahm will set him straight and make him stop all this Crazy Talk about helping people. Rahm knows that justice is a valuable commidity and cannot just be given away. Rahm knows that people will pay big bucks for justice and he intends to collect those big bucks. This guy won't last a week.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 10/15/2009
- MsMcgee I'm a Fan of MsMcgee 4 fans permalink
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Why should religious (or so-called religious) people be able to trample anyone else’s civil rights just because gay lifestyles are offensive to their personal beliefs? It’s no wonder so many people no longer believe in organized religion. (Believing in religion and believing in a supreme being are two different things) Religion, especially hard-core right winged Christians think that they should have control over everyone and everything and everyone should have to abide by what "they" believe, regardless of anyone else’s beliefs. Gay discrimination is NO different that racial or sexual discrimination, and the ability to discriminate against anyone for any reason should be outlawed, including States that discriminate against Gay Marriage.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 10/15/2009
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 104 fans permalink

I agree with your sentiments but I cringe whenever anyone uses the term "gay lifestyle". We have no particular lifestyle. Our lives are as diverse as those of any other group. The only thing that defines us is our sexual orientation. It's not being picky on my part. Language matters. This term was dreamt up by anti-gay haters to suggest that we're not merely different in our sexual orientation, but our whole lives are somehow different from "normal" people's - we are other, we are alien. It's a pernicious term.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/15/2009
- Yeah-Me I'm a Fan of Yeah-Me 36 fans permalink
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Agreed homosexuality is an orientation and built in... a "lifestyle" is how you choose to live your life.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 10/15/2009
- MsMcgee I'm a Fan of MsMcgee 4 fans permalink
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Sorry John, I should have used quotations marks. That statement was meant to be sarcastic mocking those that are offended by anyone that is not like them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 10/15/2009

Liar. I don't believe anyone in this administration is going to fight discrimination against GLBT people. EVER.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 10/15/2009

The problem that I see is that you cannot legislate love and understanding. There are many, many laws on the books that prohibit crime; however, crime does not stop.

If you pass anti-hate laws that will not make people change their minds. Do we also need anti-hate laws to protect Christians from people who hate religion?

Gay people are people first. I'm sure they also have their prejudices as none of us are immune. It is not my concern if people are gay or not. That is not what defines them as a person. To think of a person only as "gay" and nothing beyond that is shallow. I do not like to see any person hurt by another.

However, you cannot hit someone over the head with a 2x4 and expect them to see your point of view.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 10/15/2009
- complice I'm a Fan of complice 38 fans permalink

Religion--and yes, that includes Christianity--is already protected under existing Federal Hate Crime laws.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 10/15/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 31 fans permalink
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true. and they can continue to hate and teach in their churches the un-jesus-like lack inclusiveness..they just won't get away with criminal acts targeting this particular class of people. finally! it will all come together soon for LGBT..YES WE CAN!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 10/15/2009
- AJBF I'm a Fan of AJBF 10 fans permalink

"The rights of people of faith who adhere to a biblical view of sexuality..."

First, to discriminate against others is not a right. To oppress others is not a right.

Second, this so called "biblical view" of sexuality is based on a prejudiced, selective reading of the bible: religious bigots happily ignore biblical injunctions such as that a daughter should be put to death if she disobeys her father, that adultery should be punished by stoning to death, that one should not eat shellfish because it is an abomination, etc., etc., while focusing on a few passages that seem to condemn sex between two men ( no mention of sex between two women in the bible!). If you are going to follow the bible LITERALLY then you need to follow ALL of it, not just those bits that reinforce and support your prejudices and fears.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 10/15/2009
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But not in the U.S. government itself, i.e. the military.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 10/15/2009
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Actually, that's the only part of the Fed. Govt that can discriminate. When I worked for the Census, it said that they would not discriminate against Sexual orientation in the handbook.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 10/15/2009

progress is slow...lots of ignornant bigots out there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 10/15/2009
- mcmutter I'm a Fan of mcmutter 98 fans permalink
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Willl the RNC sudden;y become "gay friendly "......

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 10/15/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 31 fans permalink
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there are several youtube moments showing various gop saying the have no problem with gay marriage, from the first couple months of the new admin. so if they dont do so and vote for equal rights for all it will bite them and label them as flip floppers.. those vids will surely be played out on tv often by media matters ;-)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 10/15/2009

It looks like those thousands upon thousands and young gay kids and their straight friends who marched in support of them at the National Equality March put "pressure" on a lot more than just the grass of the White House Lawn. As soon as it became apparrent that tens of thousands were indeed fed up and were marching on Washington, then all of a sudden you start hearing about progress on LGBT rigths from the Obama administration and congress, Obama even gave a speech at HRC.

Barney Frank may not like it, but "pressure" works. As former Lt. Dan Choi said at the march "Patience is NOT a plan and silence is NOT a strategy."

KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THE DEMS TO DELIVER ON THEIR PROMISES OR LOSE OUR SUPPORT IN THE NEXT ELECTION. USE IT OR LOSE IT! DEMS.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 10/15/2009
- TomInJax I'm a Fan of TomInJax 21 fans permalink
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Harvey Milk, like him or not, knew that best. He may not have been a saint, but often the most effective movers and shakers aren't.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 10/15/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 27 fans permalink
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yes, i am certainly ready to move on if this issue doesn't start making some real progress.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 10/15/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

You shld atleast appreciate the fact that Dems even listen and are trying...if you think GOP will be a better choice in the next election, why not...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 10/15/2009
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I think Perez was put in place for this reason way before the March. People are so busy attacking, they haven't noticed we do have a friend in the WH.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 10/15/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 59 fans permalink

Keep the pressure on indeed. Be passionate, be relentless. If it makes some folks uncomfortable, good. Don't let up until the job is done.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 10/15/2009
- Paulo1 I'm a Fan of Paulo1 41 fans permalink

A very nice piece of news.

Unfortunately it is ruined by immature journalism. When you feel the need to insert "often referred to by the acronym LGBT." in a journalism article you are either telling your audience that they are as stupid as stones and don't know modern terms or that you failed to move beyond writing for the junior high newspaper. STANDARDS UP PLEASE

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 10/15/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 31 fans permalink
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nitpicking. if one isnt aware of anything related to this specific community they may not know the terminology so many are long familiar with. could be just one rr focus on the family person reading this who has a glimmer of curiosity or confusion about all the hatred..if that one person learns a little something..a crack in strbborn hatred and fear, it was well worth tosing "LGBT" and definition into the wording.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 10/15/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 59 fans permalink

Google is common enough now. Even for you. Try it instead of gnat-hunting.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 10/15/2009
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 104 fans permalink

This is wonderful news. After an uninspiring start maybe Obama will prove to be the "fierce advocate" for gay Americans he promised to be (appointing ambassadors who are openly gay to Pacific islands doesn't count). We only need to look at societies like many in the Middle East to see the consequences of unchecked religious "liberty". It ain't pretty because the "liberty" they ultimately seek is the liberty to oppress and tyrannize everyone who is not a heterosexual male and everyone who does not believe as they do. Gay Americans have been battling these aspiring theocrats for decades now, too often alone. It's past time for all who believe in the principles upon which this country was founded to see our battle as their battle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 10/15/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 71 fans permalink

Brilliant! So well said, JohnJames!
Your comment is very insightful and brings up wider issues.
Yes, too often alone, battling these theocrats as you so eloquently describe.
Fanned, and thank you!
All the best!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 10/15/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 21 fans permalink

The problem is this nation's impatience­...everybo­dy thinks Obama shld be pressing buttons left, right, center to satisfy their demands without consulting anyone...this is only 10 months into his adm. First of all, GOP are blocking most of his nominees and thus, somethings are going to be slow BUT nobody even sees or talks about such blockade and its consequences. POTUS has done alot more than the previous adm did in 8 years.
Thank you Mr. President for your tireless efforts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 10/15/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 71 fans permalink

You know, I am standing up, right here and now. I am a good person. I have had it with all the unreasonable hate directed at me and my family because we are gay. Hate accepted by law. Hate given a wink a a nod. Hate and mis-information and biblical this and that and the other thing. Did you ever know I was both gay and spiritual?
No! No you did not. You only saw me as a thing. not human. Not with children. not with parents. not with family and friends. No. i am the hated one: the other, the GAY!
I have had it. Just had it.
I am a good person, and an AMERICAN, and I will never as long as I live ever accept being a second class citizen.
Do you hear me? Do you get it? do you understand?
If you do not, please direct your hate elsewhere. I am not taking it anymore.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 10/15/2009
- Kamenskiy I'm a Fan of Kamenskiy 44 fans permalink
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Keep up the good work. The pseudo-religious bigots and their hateful policies will eventually become nothing more than an embarrassing footnote in history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 10/15/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 71 fans permalink

You know, I thought the same thing. We watched the series on the National Parks on PBS and the people who wanted to destroy Yosemite and Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons were the same ones who later celebrated these national parks. My point is that people who do the right thing, for human justice or for the earth or anything that is true are the ones who are celebrated by future generations.
People who hate never go anywhere. Hate is a dead end.
I do hope that people will eventually see me as a gay person as an American, someone who loves my country and deserves the respect and dignity as a human being.
There is always hope.
I will always strive for that as long as I live. It is the right thing to do.
All the best!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 10/15/2009

religion throughout history has proven itself over and over to be a menace, the cause of hideous attocities and it always will. always the problem, never the answer. It is for the weak and the stupid....lots of that out there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 10/15/2009
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