Club Bounce: Nightclubs For The Plus-Size Take Shape

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JOHN ROGERS | 10/26/09 01:41 PM | AP

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LONG BEACH, Calif. ? Move over, it's Saturday night at Club Bounce and people are bouncing onto the dance floor in a big, big way.

These are big, big people, all dressed to the nines and many tipping the scales at 250, maybe 300 pounds.

That's because this expansive nightclub a couple blocks from the Pacific Ocean, with its flashing lights, friendly atmosphere and wall-rattling hip-hop sounds, caters specifically to fat people.

That's right, fat people. Not just any fat people, either, but fat people who are proud to call themselves fat people. People who joke that they are part of the new Fat is Phat movement.

"Self-conscious? No! Not at all," laughs Monique Lopez, a curvaceous woman of 23 as she arrives in a tight, black dress and heels. "I was like, 'I'm going to Club Bounce tonight. I'm going to wear my shortest skirt.'" (Which she did.)

The movement for equal rights for plus-sized people is nothing new of course. The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, with chapters around the country, was founded 40 years ago. A nonprofit group, it advocates that everyone be treated equally regardless of size, arguing that we don't live in a one-size-fits-all world.

But what has been slower coming, fat advocates say, are places like Club Bounce, where people who might have some trouble getting past the velvet ropes at other night spots because of their size are made to feel like they fit right in.

"When you're not what they consider ideal, you know, and you're out there trying to get your dance on at those other places, you get the looks, the stares. But not here. Everything's accepted here," says Vanessa Gray of Long Beach, an attractive 30-something woman who acknowledges jovially that after giving birth to three children, "I've got a little more meat on my bones."

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Such clubs are still a relatively new phenomenon, however, with a handful scattered across California, mainly in coastal cities from San Diego to San Francisco.

"The whole thing really started on the Internet, with clubhouse parties organized online," says Kathleen Divine, who runs another Southern California plus-size club, the Butterfly Lounge. "Now you see a lot more large people out in public, not hiding behind their keyboards anymore."

A Web site for "big beautiful women" (bbwnetwork.com ) sponsors an annual "Vegas Bash," for example, and there are similar gatherings in cities like Atlanta and Seattle.

But veteran fat activist Lynn McAfe of the Council On Size and Weight Discrimination would like to see more clubs.

"It's nice to have a place to go where you can do a little flirting and maybe bring your thin sister or somebody from work who isn't fat, and they'll be in your world for awhile," says McAfe, a pioneer of the fat advocacy movement. "That's an amazing experience for a lot of people who aren't fat, to spend a day or night in a world of fat people."

Not that every large person prefers to be called fat, especially by someone who isn't.

Lisa Marie Garbo, who opened Club Bounce five years ago, says she prefers plus-sized or larger-framed.

"But I don't think fat is a bad word anymore," she adds. "I think a lot of people embrace it now."

Garbo, a vivacious, 40-year-old blonde partial to flamboyant outfits of tight-fitting pants and low-cut tops, said she opened the club for herself and others who were tired of being "the only fat girl at the local nightclub."

The club, with a capacity of 400, attracts relatively equal numbers of men and women, although Garbo says about three-quarters of the women tend to be heavy, while only about a quarter of the men are.

Some club-goers, like Chad Koyanagi, started out big, then slimmed down. Others, like Garbo herself, have seen their weight go up and down over the years. Still others say they're happy the way they are.

Like a lot of heavy people, Koyanagi says he started dropping by the club after a friend he met on a social networking site kept after him to get out of the house. Painfully shy at first, the 30-year-old eventually began to fit in and ended up shedding 50 pounds. Although he's no longer hefty enough to fit the club's BHM profile (Big Handsome Man), he says he's made too many friends to stop coming.

But while not all club-goers are overweight, the very nature of such venues has led some to question whether they are encouraging people to remain fat in a society where, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, one-third of adults are already obese.

"I'm not a gain-weight advocate or anything like that," says Garbo, who adds she has struggled with her own weight since doctors put her on steroids as a child to treat her asthma. "My message to people is live your life no matter what size you are."

Although obesity remains a serious problem, with links to diabetes, heart disease and other health issues, says sociologist Karen Sternheimer, creating a place where people can feel good about themselves can build self-esteem, which in turn can prompt people to do something about their weight.

"As the country gets heavier and ultimately unhealthier, in many instances the problem is people feeling bad about themselves, and feeling bad about themselves doesn't motivate people to lose weight," says Sternheimer, author of "Connecting Social Problems and Popular Culture."

What does motivate people, she said, is starting with a positive outlook of accepting who you are, then working from there to change your appearance in whatever way you want.

"Anything that helps people feel better about themselves," she said, "there's something positive to that."

LONG BEACH, Calif. ? Move over, it's Saturday night at Club Bounce and people are bouncing onto the dance floor in a big, big way.These are big, big people, all dressed to the nines and many tipping t...
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It sounds like this club may actually be helping some people lose weight by giving them a place to connect with other people.

I lost 70 lbs once, and the biggest challenge was getting past the feeling of worthlessness due to my overweight status. Once I stopped and realized that I had other things to offer, I felt like it was worth losing the weight.

I can understand why some of the club goers see a drop in weight when they become more socially active. Most overeating is emotional. Without dealing with what's in their head, it's hard to deal with what's on the plate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 10/27/2009
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Unbelievable comments. Some from people who were aghast at those who voted against Obama just because he's "not white". Yes, exactly the same thing - judging a person on how they look, without knowing anything about them. In that case, "he's the wrong color, we know all about 'them'". In this case, "You're fat, therefore you're lazy, stupid, undependable, & probably smell bad, too". It's so much easier than taking the time to know someone.


The idea behind this club is not to promote obesity (as some of the more dense here are insisting), but to give large sized people a place to socialize without having to apologize for their existence. Why are so many here complaining about this concept? Should the fat remain in hiding for years until they are deemed thin enough to leave the house? Should we include ugly people (who wants to look at them?) & how about women who don't wear makeup? Who makes the decision that's it's ok for them to show themselves?


Here's a video from a few years ago, "A Fat Rant" by Joy Nash. Apparently the video hit a nerve, there's been almost 17,000 replies. There are also links to A Fat Rant 2 (mildly amusing) & A Fat Rant 3 (excellent) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTJQIBI1oA


btw, muscle weighs more than fat. Weight alone is not an indicator of health.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 10/27/2009
- quindy I'm a Fan of quindy 32 fans permalink

Sorry, but you cannot compare someones skin color to obesity. You are born with whatever genes were given to you, but you have a choice what and how much you put in your mouth.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 10/27/2009
- Katzencats I'm a Fan of Katzencats 30 fans permalink
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You are describing self-image. I am describing the knee-jerk reaction of some.

Some immediately ha te another of a different co lor, other ha te those of a diiferent size. Snap judgements of people just by how they look.

In that way, yes they are the same thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 10/27/2009
- Katzencats I'm a Fan of Katzencats 30 fans permalink
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Unbelievable comments. Some from people who were aghast at those who voted against Obama just because he's "not white". Yes, exactly the same thing - judging a person on how they look, without knowing anything about them. In that case, "he's the wrong color, we know all about 'them'". In this case, "You're fat, therefore you're lazy, stupid, undependable, & probably smell bad, too". It's so much easier than taking the time to know someone.

The idea behind this club is not to promote obesity (as some of the more dense here are insisting), but to give large sized people a place to socialize without having to apologize for their existence. Why are so many here complaining about this concept? Should the fat remain in hiding for years until they are deemed thin enough to leave the house? Should we include ugly people (who wants to look at them?) & how about women who don't wear makeup? Who makes the decision that's it's ok for them to show themselves?

Here's a video from a few years ago, "A Fat Rant" by Joy Nash. Until I saw this, I'd never heard of a "size zero". What the Hell is that? A fe tus? Apparently the video hit a nerve, there's been almost 17,000 replies. There are also links to A Fat Rant 2 (mildly amusing) & A Fat Rant 3 (excellent) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUTJQIBI1oA

btw, muscle weighs more than fat. Weight alone is not an indicator of health.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 10/27/2009
- jeffp26 I'm a Fan of jeffp26 32 fans permalink
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This is a great idea. Now if only some airline would get the fat people off my plane.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 10/27/2009
- SoccerNana I'm a Fan of SoccerNana 23 fans permalink
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This is good. Dancing is an excellent form of exercise.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 10/27/2009

You all do realize the 2/3 of the American public is considered overweight?

You do realize that you are outnumbered? There will, just from a business standpoint, be more catering to the overweight simply because the numbers say that this is where the business is.

Anyone that ignores the overweight in business does so at their peril now
Look around, how many truely "physically fit" people do you see?

As more and more people are demanding services like this dance club, plus size clothing
larger seating, the business industry is changing to accomadate them.

Once " fat" people realize that they are really the normal, not the abnormal, more changes will come.

Thin was a fadd that lasted a long time, however look at the paintings of the old masters. Heavy curvasious woman were considered the most beautiful and featured in most of their work.

Skinny became popular with Twiggy as far as I remember. Since then business saw a massive way to make money promoting "thin" products and services. Now they are still promoting them to try to hold on to the profits. However the change has already begun.

The clothing sizes are already changing, Magazines are using more normal size woman .The fashion industry is starting to gripe about models that are too thin,

They are not doing this out of the goodness of their corporate hearts. They are doing this simply because demographics tell them that they must to keep and promote their business.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 10/27/2009
- BLSabob I'm a Fan of BLSabob 46 fans permalink
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"Heavy curvasious woman were considered the most beautiful and featured in most of their work."

That was classism. Heavy women were considered beautiful because those were the ones with money, who could afford to eat like gluttons and avoid manual labor.

So whenever you see old painting of cubby men and women, you just have to remind yourself that you're looking at a painting of rich people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 10/27/2009

You make it sound like being fat is okay, or normal as you put it. Let me tell you something, I was a 300 pound fat guy. I'm now down to being 290 pound fat guy and still working on creating a better lifestyle for myself and my family. Being fat is like digging a hole for yourself. Once you dig too far, you realize you're going to have a hard time getting out. Also, being in a hole, you realize there isn't a lot you can do. You wake up one day and you realize you have a hard time rolling out of bed, or getting off of the couch. That is no way to live.

It's especially worrying if you have a child. A month ago I noticed my son developing habits similar to the ones that made me the way I am. To realize that I was causing serious problems for my son's future health was a heavy blow to me. That's why I started trying to lose weight again.

But many fat people don't take the steps necessary to fix their problem. It could be due to depression, lack of energy, lack of resources (i.e. health insurance), or any number of other reasons. These people aren't fat because they're okay, they're fat because they don't feel they have any other options.

Being fat isn't normal. It's a ticket to a high stress life and an early grave.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 10/27/2009
- Rinehart I'm a Fan of Rinehart 9 fans permalink

You can be hyper-sensitive about your weight all you want. Fact is this generation of children is the 1st one who are predicted to have a shorter lifespan than their parents. Obesity is the culprit. It's HARD work and takes discipline to tell kids no and instill nutrition and exercise as values. Kids are bombarded with commercials for colorful fun food full of sugar and fat. You have to be present and active! Being low energy and tired because of your diet makes it's easier to give in the the kids.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 10/27/2009
- KriTiKiT I'm a Fan of KriTiKiT 42 fans permalink
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are they going to have a men's night with free drinks?

they might wanna promote that

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 10/27/2009
- BLSabob I'm a Fan of BLSabob 46 fans permalink
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Club Bounce and Slosh:

Just one more place I can avoid.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 10/27/2009
- ADunafraid I'm a Fan of ADunafraid 4 fans permalink

I have no problem with people being proud of their obesity if thats what they choose.

The only thing that bothers me is when fat people talk about how they are naturally this way or that they have tried everything to lose the weight. That is a loser attitude and that should not be celebrated. I do understand that there are some people that are naturally that large(as seen by NFL players) but I think that is more like 1%-5% of the population not the 30% that is actually obese in this country

Forget the pills and the crazy diets.
All it takes is 1 mile a day. If you can run 1 mile in under 7 minutes each day it is almost impossible to be obese.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 10/27/2009
- Kyletp2 I'm a Fan of Kyletp2 4 fans permalink

So glad these people embrace their weight. Too bad the rest of us have to pay their medical bills!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 10/27/2009
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Only if you're assuming " these people " can't afford to pay their own medical bills...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 10/27/2009
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When we buy medical insurance, we are sharing the health risk with everyone else that purchases insurance from the same carrier. Therefore, out insurance rates are affected by other people's obesity, smoking, drug-use, pregnencies, high-risk behaviors, etc.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 10/27/2009
- chroma601 I'm a Fan of chroma601 14 fans permalink

Human beings come in a variety of colors, sizes, and shapes. Embrace the diversity and relax, already!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 10/27/2009
- ladyearth I'm a Fan of ladyearth 82 fans permalink

Dear Heavens, when are we going to learn that what we see in other people, we cannot or will not see in ourselves. It does not matter the source of prejudice, prejudice is prejudice. As long as we can make nasty comments about others, we do not have to look at ourselves. We do not have to own our own nastiness. I guess its been two thousand years now and we still do not understand or practice "Love one another as I have loved you."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 10/27/2009
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Morbidly obese people and those just overweight, should instead of looking for ways to insulate their lifestyles by buying the plus size clothes or demand larger seats or now require reinforced chairs, night clubs whatever, they should acknowledge they are in a state of extreme unhealthiness or take whatever measures to regain their health. It does them no good to look the other way, put their head in the sand and pretend the situation does not exist. Thats what I did in 2000, at a weight of nearly 400 lbs, i took responsibility and stopped all the excuses and lost the weight( I now weigh 210) through exercise and eating right.

If I can do it anyone can.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 10/27/2009
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

Sorry you bought into the hype but there are many studies that indicate overweight people are in a state of extreme unhealthiness because of their weight. In fact, there are studies that have proved that fat is protective in some circumstances. It is more dangerous to diet than to accept your body size.

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/

This blog sites the studies and more. don't feel bad though, there are multi-billion dollar industries that make their money by keeping the lie going - bariatric surgery is the latest push regardless of all the bad outcomes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 10/27/2009

Because of the apologists like you, more and more people will accept obesity as norm and fail to deal with the obvious health issue. I wouldn't be surprised that a few years from now "obesity" will be redefined just to make people feel better.

Remember some people argued that Obama was too thin to understand average American people? Where is this country going?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 10/27/2009
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They should open early and close late. And the dancing should be mandatory. Lots of dancing. Some healthy, low-calorie refreshments, Maybe jazzersize during the DJ breaks....

And if you get drunk, you have to jog home.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 10/27/2009

LMAO

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 10/27/2009
- weebils I'm a Fan of weebils 119 fans permalink

I so agree. Fanned.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 10/27/2009
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"They should open early and close late. And the dancing should be mandatory. Lots of dancing. Some healthy, low-calorie refreshments, Maybe jazzersize during the DJ breaks....

And if you get drunk, you have to jog home."

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Yes! Just as anorexic/borderline are force fed when they go out dancing. Right?

Just as ludicrous.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 10/27/2009
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Did I mention they have Sense of Humor transplants?

To my knowledge, anorexia/bulimia is a body image mental disorder. And some forms of obesity are as well. The point of the comment is to stop indulging your health-impairing activities/mental disorders and have fun getting healthy. You might not even realize you're losing weight. And if it's glandular - see a doctor.

But then, some people take things too seriously, be it comments, their weight, their lack of weight or lack of a sense of humor.

Now where did I put those cheese doodles?....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/27/2009
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