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Yvonne Thornton, M.D.

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Is Your Doctor Qualified to Treat You?

Posted: 01/28/11 08:06 AM ET

Most patients assume that if a license to practice medicine is hanging on the wall of a doctor's office, the doctor is qualified to treat them. But that may not be the case.

For example, I have a license to practice medicine in the states of New York and New Jersey, and that means I have carte blanche to practice any kind of medicine and do any kind of surgery in my office. Although I am totally untrained to practice ophthalmologic surgery, there is nothing to stop me from doing it because no state law forbids my doing so. The type of medicine I practice is not the state's concern. All the state is acknowledging by granting me a license is that I have had four years of medical school plus a year of training as an intern. I can be an OB-GYN, as I am, but I can if I wish also do brain surgery or foot surgery or liposuction, treat your stomach ulcer or take care of your child. Am I qualified to do these things? Of course not.

Board-Certification
What a patient needs to look for, after seeing the state license to practice medicine on the wall of a doctor's office, is a second document testifying to Board-certification in the doctor's specialty. Indeed, even more to the point is to ascertain whether the doctor is Board-certified when you call initially to make an appointment. If you are not entirely certain, you can go online to select the appropriate specialty Board website to ask for information.

The reason I stress Board-certification is because doctors can call themselves infertility specialists or perinatologists or anything else they please. They are not compelled to undergo further training in a specialty in order to practice it. Only Board-certification confirms that they have had the training. A doctor, when asked, may answer, "I'm Board-eligible," or "I'm Board-active," but anything other than the term Board-certified means that the doctor is not a qualified specialist, unless they are just out of residency and are in the process of becoming Board-certified.

For over two decades, the American Board of Medical Specialties has not only required that a physician become Board-certified, but also that he or she maintain that certification with regular examinations and clinical testing of their current knowledge, known as re-certification or maintenance of certification. Many physicians older than 55 years of age who received their initial Board-certification in the early years of their practice have never been re-certified because they have been "grandfathered" into the ranks of the Board-certified. They can do this because it is still a voluntary process. Although I am Board-certified for life, I have chosen to take the examination each year to maintain my Board-certification annually. Some older physicians, many of them celebrities that we know and love, have chosen not to annually maintain their certification and just keep their initial year of certification, which may have been over 25 years ago.

Teaching
Other than Board-certification, a patient should ask her physician whether or not their practice is affiliated with a teaching hospital and medical school, such as Columbia or Mount Sinai. Private practice sounds wonderful, but if your doctor just goes to his or her office each day and never teaches anyone, i.e., a medical student or resident, then their skills and knowledge are usually arrested at the stage when they left residency and they never will know current trends unless they go to a weekend course or three-day seminar; which usually doesn't happen because their patients generate revenue and conferences do not. It's great for a physician to have experience in a certain area, but if he or she is not current, then the experience may have become obsolete. Another attribute of a good physician is if he or she has recently published any medical reports or studies in their respective medical journals, thus contributing to the knowledge so vital in managing patients.

Knowledge, experience, compassion and availability are ideal traits a patient should seek in a physician -- and in a pinch you can do without the compassion. But never settle for compassion in the absence of the knowledge and experience because you only have one body.

Yvonne S. Thornton, M. D., M. P. H., Sc. D. (hon), FACOG, FACS

Note: The above opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the policies or practices of my affiliated medical school or medical center.

 
 
 

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Most patients assume that if a license to practice medicine is hanging on the wall of a doctor's office, the doctor is qualified to treat them. But that may not be the case. For example, I have a ...
Most patients assume that if a license to practice medicine is hanging on the wall of a doctor's office, the doctor is qualified to treat them. But that may not be the case. For example, I have a ...
 
 
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07:36 PM on 03/16/2011
I am surprised that one does not need board certification or recertification. When I came to the U.S. in 1967 - I am not a doctor - it was required even with full degrees, internships, ECFMG passed, etc. to be recertified in any state one practices or intends to practice in.

I have excellent doctors now. They are associated, all, with hospitals and regularly do course work. An orthopedic Office advertises how many cases they have done, the drs specialties and where they acquired their degrees and boards. I always also check online to see if there are any complaints, or judgements against drs I plan to go to.

But medicine is as much of an art as many other professions. I interview new doctors. Ask hem why they have become drs, why this specialization, how many years, how many cases - especially with surgery how many surgeries - are they doing per year. Minimum of 1-2/month. These, and other questions you should ask are advertised on the website of the medical office I go to as a patient.
12:40 AM on 02/01/2011
The only problem with this post is board certification only tells us that a doctor passed a computerized test. It doesn't tell us if he or she is actually good, if this doctor has your length of stay in the hospital equal or less than average, if the doctor's skills keep you working more days per year, or keep your blood sugar at goal if you have diabetes.

Board certification won't tell you if the doctor understands your complaints and thoroughly investigates possible causes, it's a computerized test. It's also OPTIONAL for doctors. Board Certification IS NOT required for employment in ER or a private practice, it’s not required to practice at a hospital and it's not needed to be in a HMO.

Older doctors were certified for life, would you let an 80 year old drive a bus? Board certification won't increase your doctors pay and the agencies are extraordinarily lucrative corporations that provide the illusion of quality when it is not based on fact. So, ask yourself, does this paper hanging on the wall give you value? How'd that last car repair from the 'certified' mechanic work out? Telling us to rely on a test, a piece of paper doesn't tell us much.

Show us the doctors quality of care, the number of patients they treat with your condition, how are they? Look for complaints, check his or her case-mix index but don't rely on only this certification.
03:05 PM on 02/02/2011
Tina's Bill Proposal requires all dentists that the state allows to continue practicing while on probation to give each patient at the place of treatment a sheet explaining he/she is on probation and the reasons for that probation, have the patient or parent or guardian sign for it, and have the signed statement put in the patient chart file

I'm irreparably damaged by a Probationer Dentist who I stayed with for over a decade and he destroyed my chance to repair his errors forever. He NEVER told me the entire time and after suffering through 3 surgeries he was under probation for harming others. Worse, the Dental Board advertises he's BOARD CERTIFIED which deceives consumers. The fact remains, he's known to the Board members to repeat gross negligent conduct but he's still licensed with a different status and purposely, his patients are not informed at the place of treatment about his conduct or the restrictions placed on his license. When I reported his conduct they collectively lost my dental records. He's not considered negligent even though his conduct destroyed my health and life as I used to know it. I'm on surgery 5 with no hope to repair the damage or dental implants.
06:42 PM on 01/31/2011
Thanks for this very helpful article! I agree that knowledge, experience and availability are the most important factors when choosing a doctor.

I know that doctors are very busy, but I like doctors who take the time to know you well and do not rush every time you have an appointment with them. It's a good sign that they are concern about you and really want to help.

Hope you don't mind, but I also want to share this article that your users might find helpful. It has tips on how to choose a doctor that's right for you: http://www.ladolceliving.com/health-and-wellness/how-to-choose-the-right-doctor.html#What_to_look_for_in_a_doctor

Thanks again!
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Dave Harrison
Fighting for the little guy!
11:37 PM on 01/30/2011
I must be one of the lucky ones as my DR. is a board certified D.O. Who often uses me as a teaching tool to the students. Just a note I have been seeing the same DR. for over 25 years. Ya think he knows me well?
09:47 AM on 01/30/2011
I'm board certified general surgeon. Our certification process has no "hands on" element. Your knowledge and thought process are vetted, but there's no "how well can you operate" component. So you may have a board certified doc who's aged out of his or her prime, or is not the best at a particular procedure.
If you want to find out who's a skilled surgeon ask the chief of anesthesia or the OR charge nurse at your hospital who he or she would choose if his mom needed surgery. They know the real deal about us
12:03 PM on 01/29/2011
Dental patients never agree to be treated by a Probationer Dentist or the restrictions imposed on them. Nowhere at the place of treatment does a dental patient gain information to even know they are being treated by a Probationer Dentist - the licensee requiring disciplinary action for incompetence and violations. When irreparable damage happens to teeth or the mouth by established harmful patterns of Probationer Dentists the board licensing them and the licensee may abandon their victim. No matter how qualified dentists appear on paper because they are Board Certified, all consumers of dental services must be informed at the place of treatment of the increased risk we are exposed to at the place of treatment.
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10:11 AM on 01/29/2011
Cardinal rule for a good doctor; irrespective of specialty, training or practice environment.

"Apprecaite the limits of ones' knowleged, skills and experience."

A good doctor does not have to worry about income.
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07:29 AM on 01/29/2011
Academic centers are crucial to medical progress, but the notion that only doctors directly involved in teaching have up to date skills is seriously misguided. I was in private practice for years in a small community, with a group of highly intelligent, energetic physicians. We attended specialty conferences, read journals, discussed our patients with each other and were constantly learning. In fact, I find that an almost constant feature in doctors - we are life learners. There are legions of highly skilled and experienced physicians out there who are not affilliated with teaching hospitals. There are also some real clunkers in academia. I know. I was taught by a few. Lets not be so quick to advise patients to see only doctors connected with teaching facilities.
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alongst
too often denied to speak
02:00 PM on 01/29/2011
The "Ivory Tower attitude" strikes again !
If you are not affiliated with a teaching hospital, you are unworthy to practice.
Sorry- I taught at a teaching hospital- there were a few good doctors there but most were there because they couldn't survive in the real world-no patient would see them ! So they comfortably ensconced themselves in a government job where they couldn't be fired and results didn't matter.
01:49 AM on 01/29/2011
I found this article disturbing.
Is this the ultimate expression of the first semester "gunner"?
Who then provides health care to the masses?
11:16 PM on 01/28/2011
In general, I have great respect physicians. However, I must say, that recently my physician seems to be more concerned with his computer than he is with my health. For example, when I am in the examining room the first thing he does is set up his laptop; then, he asks me a series of questions as he and feeds my answers into his computer.

During, my last visit he didn't listen to my heart or breathing patterns or examine my mouth, ears, or nasal cavities. He simply said I should get more rest and exercise more. That was it!

I've decided that during my next appointment, I'm going to voice my concerns to him. I hope he responds favorably. Otherwise, I'm going to find another physician. And, before I become the patient of another physician I'm going to interview him or her to sure that my health takes precedence over his computer...
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alongst
too often denied to speak
02:02 PM on 01/29/2011
Welcome to the wonderful world of Electronic Health Records which the government is demanding doctors use !
KennebunkportIndependent
Back in my day, we had NINE planets.
09:17 PM on 01/28/2011
No such inconsistencies or question marks hang over any doctor in the NHS in Britain, where one set of comprehensive criteria is used on all doctors.
06:02 PM on 01/28/2011
I feel compelled to reveal that I am a physician, board certified in internal medicine, cardiovascular disease (cardiology), interventional cardiology, and have a teaching appointment (associate Professor of Medicine) at a well regarding hospital/medical school in Chicago. It has always amazed me that I am technically allowed to practice any type of medicine I might choose and agree with with Dr. Thornton wholeheartedly in this regard. Her assertion that private practice physicians are somehow "less than" or are motivated by financial gain alone is not only wrong, but betrays an arrogance which is both unproductive and factually incorrect.

I have trained and worked at some of the most prestigious medical centers in the United States and have witnessed many well known "luminaries" who made their names through important and groundbreaking research, but whom I would not allow to touch my dog insofar as clinical acumen and skill is concerned. Alternatively, I have worked with incredibly intelligent, diligent, and talented "private practitioners". She really misses the mark in this regard, and betrays a haughtiness which invalidates the appropriate points she makes.

I do agree however, that not all physicians, no matter their specialty are not the same. I would not become involved with a physician of any type who was not board certified (which any respectable hospital requires in order to obtain privileges)
10:14 PM on 01/28/2011
Well, I will just tell you my impression of what makes a good doctor...........NUMBER ONE......BEING TECHNICALLY EXCELLENT AT DIAGNOSING HEALTH PROBLEMS.

I have had quite a few medical problems in the past, never has a General Practitioner been able to diagnose a single one of them. I have a hereditary form of periphiral neuropathy, terrible symptoms over the years. All going to a Gp got me was the little ole "psychogenic" label and snide remarks from quite of few GP's. The only way I got diagnosed for this problem was because I insisted that I be referred to a hand doctor for him to test my hands for Carpal Tunnel syndrome.

The above scenario is one of 4 medical problems that a GP never seemed competent enough to diagnose. Do most general practitioners aspire to be Psychiatrists, that is my impression, I never make stuff up when I go to a doctor.....LOL.

On the Flip side, I have had great care from American surgeons and Specialists.
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rcwells
I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil.
05:57 PM on 01/28/2011
This a good article. Board certification is the gold standard. Many physicians have found ways to obfuscate this. Take plastic surgery as an example. You look in the yellow pages for a "plastic" surgeon. You find your list, and several state board certification. The next question you need to ask is, "what is he/she board certified in?". Well there is an American Board of Plastic Surgery. Diplomates are trained in general surgery and then must complete a 2-3 fellowship in a recognized plastic surgery training program. This often totals 7-8 hrs post medical school. Who can claim to be a "board certified plastic surgeon"? Anyone who is board certified in anything and wants to call themselves a plastic surgeon. The term "cosmetic" surgeon means nothing. The solution to all of this is hospital based credentialing. Ask the surgeon the simple question, "Can you perform my surgery at a hospital?". Be prepared for the response that the surgeon "doesn't need to". This of course is not the point. Have they been peer reviewed and determined to be board certified, competent and safe? Board certification is only relevant in the individual's area of practice.
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
05:18 PM on 01/28/2011
qualified to write prescriptions..yes...qualified to heal or find the cause of a situation...no
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Overshadow
intellectual honesty, one issue at a time
05:12 PM on 01/28/2011
You see this issue especially in cosmetic surgeries... Folks- best to leave your lipo to a plastic surgeon, and not to a doctor from another specialty who doesn't do that kind of procedure regularly.

It's really a wonder why people are always pushing scope of practice expansions to less-qualified 'medical professionals' instead of the licensed and trained specialists who have gone to school and put in the hours for those procedures.