I had a conversation with Karl Rove, the former deputy White House chief of staff and senior advisor to President George Bush. He has been known as "the architect" and "boy genius" and even "Bush's brain." The president also called him "turd blossom."
We talked about his work for the president and what he thought about the effectiveness of his policies.
Here is some of what we said:
The entire conversation was broadcast last week on your local PBS station.
But you can see it on the Charlie Rose website now.